Re: Fedora22 Security Issue.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:09 AM, Scott Mattan s-mat...@niscom.co.jp wrote: Hello, I am seeing some disparity between (two distributions granted) CentOS 6.6 and Fedora22 in their use of the su utility. I cannot figure out the cause, so I cannot fix it. In CentOS there is no way to script login to root... this is of course a desirable trait. for instance, [ user@localhost user ]$ su root EOF password echo id EOF standard in must be a tty $ (sleep 1; echo password) | python -c import pty; pty.spawn(['/bin/su','-c','id']); Some programs require stdin on a tty, su has gone back and forth on it. It really doesn't stop anything. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /boot and encrypted partitions?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Encrypted /boot isn't supported by Fedora's installer. GRUB 2 has supported this for a while, and it's also possible to setup a keyfile so all you have to do is give a password once to GRUB and then you don't get a plymouth passphrase entry UI. Where can you put the keyfile so the kernel can find it and how do you tell the kernel to look there for it? I doubt I'd want to do this but I'm curious what mechanism is available to do it if you can give me a hint. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /boot and encrypted partitions?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/31/2015 08:28 AM, Dave Johansen wrote: I was luck enough to be bitten by this issue ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1212907 ) when attempting to do a clean install of F22. That bug looks like it's triggered only when the LVs are encrypted, which is non-standard and not at all optimal. The default and optimal configuration is to encrypt the disk partition, and to use that LUKS container as a PV. I copied all of my data off and then tried manually setting things up as separate partitions (instead of in an LVM) but it kept telling me that /boot couldn't be on a LUKS partition. That's correct, it cannot. UEFI and BIOS both need an un-encrypted /boot to read the kernel and initrd. If those are in an encrypted container, the boot loader is incapable of reading the kernel and initrd into memory. /boot can be on an encrypted partition. I've been looking at this lately and decided to try to do it after seeing this thread today. Anaconda won't help you do it though, so you need to install initially with it unencrypted but you can encrypt it post-install. Now I have an F22 box with a single disk with all partitions encrypted. Fedora seems perfectly happy with this. I still have a concern that there might be a case where an update needs to mount or remount /boot and won't be able to, but one could store the password for /boot in a file and point crypttab to it I believe to overcome that if it is necessary. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /boot and encrypted partitions?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/31/2015 02:00 PM, inode0 wrote: grub2 supports LUKS. You'll need to add GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y to /etc/sysconfig/grub Interesting. Thanks for the tip! :) For anyone adventurous enough to try I will mention that if something goes wrong and grub doesn't boot you can still boot the from other media in rescue mode and that will prompt for the encryption keys and mount everything so you can chroot in and go back to work fixing things. Spoken from experience earlier today. And if you think about it this is obvious but will probably annoy some people. Since grub asks for your password to decrypt /boot and then passes control to a kernel extracted from there you will get asked again for passwords by the kernel for whatever it needs access to - so depending on how you set up the keys you'll get asked for at least one additional password during boot. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /boot and encrypted partitions?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/31/2015 12:02 PM, inode0 wrote: /boot can be on an encrypted partition. I've been looking at this lately and decided to try to do it after seeing this thread today. Anaconda won't help you do it though, so you need to install initially with it unencrypted but you can encrypt it post-install. Now I have an F22 box with a single disk with all partitions encrypted. Uh... have you rebooted yet? What does lsblk output? A skeptic! [root@localhost ~]# lsblk NAMEMAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT sda 8:00 16G 0 disk ├─sda18:10 500M 0 part │ └─fedora-boot 253:30 498M 0 crypt /boot └─sda28:20 15.5G 0 part └─luks-e7300273-cada-4e28-9829-7302ec188c29 253:00 15.5G 0 crypt ├─fedora-swap 253:10 1.6G 0 lvm [SWAP] └─fedora-root 253:20 13.9G 0 lvm / sr0 11:01 876M 0 rom grub2 supports LUKS. You'll need to add GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y to /etc/sysconfig/grub, run grub2-mkconfig and grub2-install, and make any changes you desire to fstab and crypttab after encrypting /boot. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SE alert
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 10:02 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/18/2015 08:46 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/19/15 10:17, jd1008 wrote: The original I posted says: type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1437267001.953:644): arch=x86_64 syscall=openat success=no exit=EACCES a0=ff9c a1=4fcb93 a2=80800 a3=0 items=0 ppid=6474 pid=6476 auid=0 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 ses=22 tty=(none) comm=sa1 exe=/usr/bin/sh subj=system_u:system_r:sysstat_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null) So, it says pid=6476 but by the time I see the alert, the process is gone!! Yes, that was the one you posted. You said you had others. So, the pid is different in each one, yes? The question would be, what is the frequency of sealerts? Could it correspond with a cronjob? Also, do you have sysstat-collect.timer and sysstat.service enabled in systemd? So, why is the auditd running so freaking often??? TO wit (from the alert that JUST happened): type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1437274801.754:808): arch=x86_64 syscall=openat success=no exit=EACCES a0=ff9c a1=4fcb93 a2=80800 a3=0 items=0 ppid=8525 pid=8527 auid=0 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 ses=37 tty=(none) comm=sa1 exe=/usr/bin/sh subj=system_u:system_r:sysstat_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null) sa1 appears to be the culprit. It is normally run from a cronjob typically every 10 minutes. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Adobe not providing linux flash updates
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 02/03/2015 04:48 PM, inode0 wrote: There is another exploit in the wild that adobe expects to fix with another release sometime this week. I have a limited use of flash. For sites like cnn. Well, I think one of my banks uses it for their home page... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1188329 I'd just take a few flash free days until adobe gets it fixed to be a little safer. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Adobe not providing linux flash updates
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: www.cnn.com is telling me that my version of flash-player is out of date with security risks so it won't display any video news. Go and update your flash player. On this F21 system I am using: adobe-linux-x86_64.repo which has in it: baseurl=http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/x86_64/ yum.log shows: Jan 19 18:08:31 Updated: flash-plugin-11.2.202.429-release.x86_64 Jan 26 08:51:24 Updated: flash-plugin-11.2.202.440-release.x86_64 So supposedly I am current to Jan 26. But cnn is not a happy camper. There have been a couple other sites complaining as well. Even one that said my version of Firefox was out of date, but that was only a warning. There is another exploit in the wild that adobe expects to fix with another release sometime this week. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: create local repo for yum or dnf
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Can yum or dnf use the local filesystem for a repo? I can run createrepo on my local rpms under rpmbuild/RPMS. Can I tell yum or dnf to look there? I don't want to have to setup a web server to do this. You should be able to use file:// instead of http:// in the baseurl. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: list of all updates
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Ger van Dijck ger.vandi...@dommel.be wrote: Hello, I have a question : Is it possible to display a list of ALL updates ? I mean from the very beginning : So after install F20 , then the first installed update till the last installed update. yum updateinfo list installed (or yum updateinfo info installed more verbosely) might be what you are looking for although this really shows a list of all errata that have been covered by some update you have applied rather than showing every update you actually did apply. The latter would probably need to be found from logs. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: checking for hexadecimal vals only in a string in bash
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Chris Kottaridis chris...@quietwind.net wrote: In a bash shell script I want to see if a string has nothing but hexadecimal values in it. So: A098FE or af098fe should be true hello should not. How do I check for that ? I've been playing with if [[ $val =~ '/^[A-Fa-f0-9]+$/' ]] ; then echo is hex else echo is not hex fi I've tried various incantations of above and also tried using grep but can't seem to get it just right. Any help appreciated. Chris, Looks like you are really close. if [[ $val =~ ^[A-Fa-f0-9]+$ ]] ; then John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh GSSAPIAuthentication yes
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: James Hogarth wrote: At the moment I'm not clear what advantage keytabs have. I do not have to login after ssh -Y ... as I have appended id_rsa.pub to known_hosts in each direction. Keytabs are like a filebased password that the machine uses to authenticate to the directory server in order to validate that the token you provide is indeed valid. Without a proper kerberos infrastructure (keytabs on machines, PTR records in place, time consistent, etc etc) GSSAPI for SSH/HTTP/etc will not work. You have not said what advantage this would have. The big advantage is that if you have a kerberos authentication system in place then ssh can use it in a natural way. If you don't have one then there is substantial cost to set one up. As far as I can see, openssh changed the default setting (in /etc/ssh/ssh_config) to make GSSAPIAuthentication first choice. However, neither Fedora nor CentOS seem to have implemented the necessary steps to make this usable. Would it be likely to cause any problems if one reverts to the default setting (GSSAPIAuthentication no)? If you don't use kerberos or any other authentication system that supports GSSAPI then there is no reason to have GSSAPIAuthentication enabled. I don't see how it hurts anything to leave it enabled either though. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh GSSAPIAuthentication yes
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: I see that in /etc/ssh/ssh_config I have the above setting in both Fedora-19 and CentOS-6.4 . In both cases ssh (openssh) tries and fails to use gssapi-with-mic authentication, with the message === Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information No Kerberos credentials available === It then goes on to use publickey authentication, successfully. Do you have a keytab installed on the machine you are trying to login to? John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Just read some stuff on this list about spins, a concept which had not previously impinged itself upon my consciousness. So I went and had a look at the spins.fedoraproject.org page. It started off by saying What is a spin? Fedora spins are alternate version of Fedora, tailored For God's sake, people!!! That's alternative versions!!! Alternate means every other or every second. Alternative means available as another possibility. Saying alternate when you mean alternative is sloppy, lazy thinking and irritates and confuses the reader. Why can't computer geeks learn to write English correctly? In American usage this is acceptable and common. But if it bothers you that much why didn't you just correct it on the wiki in a fraction of the time it took you to rant about it here? John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Hugh Caley wrote: I'm voting for Cinnamon, since the developer of compiz isn't interested in keeping it going. But maybe if MATE was the default for Fedora he'd change his mind? Or someone else would take over? You know what you prefer and it is available in the repo. It shouldn't matter much to you what the default is. Why shouldn't it matter to him? Who should it matter to? John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: HI On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, inode0 wrote: Why shouldn't it matter to him? Who should it matter to? I already indicated why it shouldn't matter to him because what he prefers is already in the repository and he can switch to it regardless of the defaults. Among users, it might matter more to people who aren't aware of the choices. That really makes no sense. Neither part of it. The fact that someone knows about options available has nothing to do with whether he/she should care about what is the default in the distribution and users who don't even know what the choices are surely can't have much of an opinion about the matter. Users can care about the distribution and have opinions about how it should be presented. And those creating the distribution should pay attention to them. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to keep an old kernel?
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: I'm running Fedora-19/KDE on a Thinkpad T61. I had serious problems with hibernation when kernel-3.11 first came on the scene. Things have slightly improved now, but I still occasionally have what seems like the same problem, one symptom being that I cannot shutdown except by pressing the power button. In any case, I have one 3.10 kernel in my three grub kernels. I'm yum-updating with exclude=kernel* to avoid losing this kernel. But I'm wondering if there is some way of telling yum that I want to keep this kernel, but would like to update the current kernel? If nothing else as long as it is the kernel that is running it won't be removed during an update. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cron job question (for checking kernel updates)
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ranjan Maitra
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote:
Hi,
I have a cron job running which yum updates all my machines once a day.
All of these work fine.
I also have a cron job which checks for kernel updates every hour and
sends me a message if an updated kernel has been installed. Here is the
relevant script:
--- begin file called check-kernel.sh in my scripts/yum directory---
#!/bin/bash
export DISPLAY=:0
latestkernel=$(rpm -q kernel |tail -n1|sed -e 's/kernel-//')
#echo $latestkernel
if uname -a | grep -qv $latestkernel; then
notify-send Kernel UPDATE on ${HOSTNAME}: Running Kernel is $(uname
-r) but lat est installed rpm is ${latestkernel}; REBOOT required
fi;
--- end file called check-kernel.sh ---
Give that a try if you haven't yet Ranjan.
John
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Re: cron job question (for checking kernel updates)
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:53:52 -0500 inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote: Hi, I have a cron job running which yum updates all my machines once a day. All of these work fine. I also have a cron job which checks for kernel updates every hour and sends me a message if an updated kernel has been installed. Here is the relevant script: --- begin file called check-kernel.sh in my scripts/yum directory--- #!/bin/bash export DISPLAY=:0 I was wondering -- why, instead of this, the following would not work: export $(env | grep DISPLAY) DISPLAY is not set in the environment used by cron. That was the whole problem to begin with. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Script Help (Bash)
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Still haven't mastered bash, not even a jack ( Have strung some command(s) together in /etc/cron.daily #!/bin/bash ## Download no-bebug rawhide kernel /usr/bin/cd /var/cache/yum/x86_64/20/fedora-rawhide-kernel-nodebug-source/packages \ /usr/bin/reposync --source -n =fedora-rawhide-kernel-nodebug kernel \ ## used to rebuild new no-debug ## Rawhide kernels for non eol FedoraN /usr/local/bin/mock-kernel --- (which is below question) Question: How do I prevent the above line from happening if nothing new was downloaded? While there might be a cleaner way to detect that something was downloaded what I do is log the output from reposync and then if grep -q Download REPOSYNCLOG; then # do stuff when new things were synced fi John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Script Help (Bash)
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:31:07 -0500 inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: While there might be a cleaner way to detect that something was downloaded what I do is log the output from reposync and then if grep -q Download REPOSYNCLOG; then # do stuff when new things were synced fi John With bash would there be an else exit ? You can add one if you want one. if something; then something else something else fi John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: permissions -
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: I spent the last half hour googling with no success. What does the b mean and how is it controlled? [root@box10 bobg]# ll /dev/sdb* brw-rw. 1 root disk 8, 16 Sep 23 14:36 /dev/sdb brw-rw. 1 root disk 8, 17 Sep 23 14:36 /dev/sdb1 It is a block/buffered special file. See mknod. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: permissions -
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: Are you saying that the b is merely to control the color in a listing? I view everything in black and white. Does it have any other effect? It is informative, it tells you what sort of file you are looking at. No different than # ls -ld /usr/bin dr-xr-xr-x. 2 root root 69632 Sep 23 09:20 /usr/bin which begins with a 'd' telling you that /usr/bin is a directory. Is there a mknod command to remove it, the man page does not make it clear to me. There is no need to remove it. Just don't worry about the first character displayed if you aren't interested in it. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: BASH and wildcard expansion
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Mark Haney mark.ha...@gmail.com wrote: I've hit a problem I can't quite figure out which a bash script I'm writing. I'm trying to copy backup files in the format 2013-August-18--1123.zip to an NFS share. I want to have the script copy the file with just the date. In bash I've setup vars that get the current date: # Date variables log_year=`date +%Y` log_month=`date +%B` log_day=`date +%d` # Filename format _MM_DD--HHMM.zip filename=$log_year-$log_month-$log_day--/*.zip The problem is I don't really care about the stuff after the '--'. I.e. from the CLI I'd just 'ls 2013-August-18--*.zip' to get all the files with that date in the file name. How can I do that in a bash script? If you just want the list you can do basically the same thing you do from the CLI. ls $log_year-$log_month-$log_day--*.zip If you want to act on each file individually then maybe a loop. Assuming your script is running in the same directory as the files something like this maybe? for f in $log_year-$log_month-$log_day--*.zip; do // do whatever you want with $f here done John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: It's that time again
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote: On 02.08.2013, Marko Vojinovic wrote: While one could consider not answering a bugreport to be a display of bad manners It first and foremost is demotivating, which in turn results in fewer bug reports, which in turn results in worse software.. So why is it demotivating to some and not to others? Rather than try to fix every bug every release and politely respond to every bug report because none of that is ever going to happen we can think about our expectations and the value of our reports and rather than become demotivated take satisfaction from knowing we made a valuable contribution regardless of whether we know anything about what happened to it after we reported it or not. Failure to have your expectations met leads to demotivation and the easiest way to fix that is to change your expectations. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: It's that time again
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote: On 02.08.2013, inode0 wrote: Failure to have your expectations met leads to demotivation and the easiest way to fix that is to change your expectations. It's free software, and therefore I'm not expecting that people find the time to fix my bug. In 99% of all cases, the bug is reported elsewhere and I fix it, recompile or work around it. The thing is: I take my time to elaborate and report the bug (and occasionally even have the solution), but nobody answers - ever. Would be enough with e.g. an automatically generated message when one of the developers reads my bugreport, just to know that it was worth the effort. Instead you are telling me that's me who has to change. I understand. And another volunteer helps out by rewriting a poorly written page on the wiki. Nobody replies to him either. Another person sends out 100 home burned DVDs of Fedora at his own expense to people requesting help and none of them say thank you. It is your decision that what you are doing is or isn't worthwhile based on the reaction or non-reaction of someone else. I see much value in the contributions you are making as well as in the contributions other people make regardless of feedback. I'm not saying you have to change but I do think you'll be less annoyed by lack of feedback if you (a) don't expect it and (b) know what you are doing is valuable without feedback. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: It's that time again
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 August 2013 19:09, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote: On 02.08.2013, inode0 wrote: Failure to have your expectations met leads to demotivation and the easiest way to fix that is to change your expectations. It's free software, and therefore I'm not expecting that people find the time to fix my bug. In 99% of all cases, the bug is reported elsewhere and I fix it, recompile or work around it. The thing is: I take my time to elaborate and report the bug (and occasionally even have the solution), but nobody answers - ever. Would be enough with e.g. an automatically generated message when one of the developers reads my bugreport, just to know that it was worth the effort. Instead you are telling me that's me who has to change. I understand. And another volunteer helps out by rewriting a poorly written page on the wiki. Nobody replies to him either. Another person sends out 100 home burned DVDs of Fedora at his own expense to people requesting help and none of them say thank you. It is your decision that what you are doing is or isn't worthwhile based on the reaction or non-reaction of someone else. I see much value in the contributions you are making as well as in the contributions other people make regardless of feedback. I'm not saying you have to change but I do think you'll be less annoyed by lack of feedback if you (a) don't expect it and (b) know what you are doing is valuable without feedback. When you've gone through a couple of cycles of reporting a bug, not having it replied to at all and the thing is not fixed in a new release, to the point where ultimately it becomes obsolete because you've given up on trying, you do start to wonder whether it's putting any effort into filing the thing in the first place. Actually compiling a useful bug report rather than a this doesn't work takes time, why would you do that if you didn't think anyone would even look at it? If I adjust my expectations to believe it's pointless then I wont waste my time doing it. Not every bug will be fixed. If that isn't your expectation then you really should adjust your expectations. If some number of cases of what you perceive to be wasted effort outweighs those cases where bugs are fixed and millions of people benefit because of you then go ahead and give up. I think the single case here or there where you are the reason millions of people benefit outweighs all the annoying cases where your report might appear to be ignored though. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: It's that time again
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tethys tet...@gmail.com wrote: So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when F17 came out and now they're being closed as F17 is EOL. Once again, several of them don't appear to have even been looked over *at all* by the package maintainer. I wonder why I bother sometimes... I see some typos in a wiki page. I stop what I'm doing for a few minutes, login to the wiki, fix the page, log out and go back to what I was doing. Did anyone ever see the change I made? I don't know. Why did I do it? Because I want to make our little corner of the world better. Lots of ways we contribute to Fedora and other projects seem to go unnoticed. We aren't thanked, often we our efforts aren't acknowledged in any way. In your case we hope that perhaps it was transfered without comment upstream where it was fixed later. Why do we continue contributing? Maybe we get some personal satisfaction from trying to help. Maybe we just care about making things better and this is what we can do today. Don't be discouraged. Every bug reported is a bug that can get fixed. You made that possible. And we as a project really do appreciate your bug reports and your wiki edits and your helping other people on our mailing lists. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: HI On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrot what about think 10 seconds that 5 inpolite messages out of 1000 are statistically not relevant - show me 5 people with more answers than me in the last two years and the look how often the ones with a few rplies are answer the same inpolite way is i sometimes do they are not judged the same way here - period Moderately step in when there are persistent complaints. You have managed to generate more complaints despite your own self judgement of how often you have engaged in poor behavior. Trying to play the victim doesn't help with that. The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Someone started one ridiculous thread complaining about old things without any reason to do so other than to agititate things and it has ballooned into a bunch of ridiculous threads because apparently there are enough members of this list who can't just leave it alone for a month to see if things have changed. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case Harald did nothing wrong at all. Harald continues to claim that he is a victim of moderators targeting him unfairly and IMO that is wrong. I think moderating only Harald is causing problems while not solving any and I think this list's behavior of late is at the very least uncharitable and unforgiving. Whether that is fair depends on your point of view I suppose. If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that All I can do is suggest what I think could be done to improve the situation. If the moderators aren't willing to do more and the community isn't willing to give it a rest then I'll probably just join others giving up on this list. It is embarrassing to the community and is sucking the energy out of list members right and left. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Thomas Dineen tdin...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Gentle People: Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire Fedora community? Incessant whining by other community members also makes our community less appealing to many people. Can we please act as friends would act. Be generous in your assumptions, give people more chances than perhaps anyone deserves, try not to make matters worse by coaxing anyone into relapsing, etc. Now let's move on. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: a different point of view to etiquette
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please don't get mad at each other for getting confused by or not noticing the effect it has. I'm about to the point where I don't think moderation can work. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 07/10/2013 06:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: (e.g. he still behaves as if 'i' were an English word, despite being told that it isn't) I've seen all too many people who grew up speaking English who do the exact same thing. And you're saying this is a *good* thing? You may not mind it personally, but please don't try to argue that it's other than a mistake. Sigh. I'm slowly concluding this list is just hopeless. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 09.07.2013 14:15, schrieb Jared K. Smith: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain any reference to a thread bounce dback by the receiver to the list and additionally in CC to the uninvolved devel-list As one of the list moderators, let me state for the public record that the moderation was not just for one off-list email, it was for a continuing pattern of disrespect. The Community Working Group has also explained how you can get the moderation flag removed from your account. hopefully you are fair enough to let me state my point of view also for the public record The problem here from my perspective is that Harald was put into an awkward position without any reason that I can see on the thread cited. It is natural to want to defend yourself when you feel you are being attacked and I would really like to see the previously offended parts of the community work with all of us to try to leave the past in the past and not go out of our way to read something negative into every post Harald makes. As someone who reads most of discussions on this and many other lists I largely share Harald's feeling that a relatively small number of transgressions have clouded our perception of reality and we forget a great many helpful posts. I'd love to see the chiding for past posts stop but I doubt they ever will as long as they lead to threads like this. The only thing that will stop them is for everyone to ignore them and go on with their day. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing a single file from an RPM into a system running SELinux
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 11 May 2013 15:07:04 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 14:16 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/11/2013 01:40 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I need to install a single file from an RPM, namely * RPM gnome-keyring-3.6.3-1.fc18.i686 * File: /usr/lib/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so The first thing you need to do is RTFM: rpm -i gnome-keyring-3.6.3-1.fc18.i686 -f gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so should do the trick. (Please note that I haven't actually done this, but man rpm tells me that it will work and I presume that whoever wrote that knew what they were doing.) If only. The -f option applies only to queries, Not true. Seems to only apply to querying and verifying packages at least according to the man page for rpm and rpm --help. eg. $ rpm -qf /usr/lib64/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so gnome-keyring-3.6.3-1.fc18.x86_64 to discover which rpm provides the specified file. Just to make sure, I tried the following, adding a .rpm in case of a typo. $ rpm -i gnome-keyring-3.6.3-1.fc18.i686 -f gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so error: gnome-keyring-3.6.3-1.fc18.i686: not an rpm package (or package manifest): error: open of gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so failed: No such file or directory $ rpm -i gnome-keyring-3.6.3-1.fc18.i686.rpm -f gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so error: open of gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so failed: No such file or directory Well, obviously the RPM package to install must be available as a local file. The No such fule or directory error message should be clear in this regard. Back to option -f, it's a list of packages when used with e.g. -i, so you can do stuff like rpm -if /example/list.txt with list.txt containing a list of package file names. I think the -f is being ignored in this case. The PACKAGE_FILE can be a manifest as you describe and the command given above works just the same without the -f. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum installed name only?
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Trying to do a yum version of: rpm -qa --queryformat %10(NAME) ~/var/tmp/box1.list yum list installed ? I don't know how to do it with yum but repoquery --installed is another way that accepts query format specifications. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum installed name only?
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 05/04/2013 02:23 PM, David wrote: On 5/4/2013 5:10 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/04/2013 01:52 PM, David wrote: I'm sorry I offered to help. I promise to never try again. Does that mean that you're leaving the list or that you're only willing to get help, not give it? I don't recall ever asking for help here. So if the only reason you joined the list was to offer help, what are you still doing here? Please stop. There is no need for any of this. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: Scientific Linux has paid staff to build packages whereas CentOS is strictly unpaid/volunteer packagers. I think that changed last year. http://centosnow.blogspot.com/2012/06/centos-project-release-times.html John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: nc missing option -z
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 08:37:27PM -0600, inode0 wrote: Something like this perhaps. $ 2/dev/null /dev/tcp/imap.gmail.com/993 sync-my-email.sh This works, but I don't think I understand it. Could you please explain? Bash provides built-in ways to manipulate sockets directly. You can read the REDIRECTION section of the bash man page to get the basics. Commonly these are used in conjunction with exec to open a socket, read and/or write data to the socket, then close the socket. In the simple case here we just have bash attempt to open a tcp socket to imap.gmail.com on port 993 and return whether it was successful or not. The advantage of doing this is that we don't need to rely on any external program to perform such a simple test. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: nc missing option -z
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: One thing of interest to note but which may not affect what the OP is doing If the port being tested is listed as filtered by nmap [egreshko@meimei ~]$ nmap -Pn -p143 imap.gmail.com Starting Nmap 6.01 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2013-02-13 21:53 CST Nmap scan report for imap.gmail.com (173.194.64.108) Host is up. Other addresses for imap.gmail.com (not scanned): 173.194.64.109 rDNS record for 173.194.64.108: oa-in-f108.1e100.net PORTSTATESERVICE 143/tcp filtered imap the command 2/dev/null /dev/tcp/imap.gmail.com/143 echo yes will hang for quite some time I don't think this is related to the port being filtered as other sites with filtered ports return quickly (same is true of down hosts). Perhaps it is some other rude firewall behavior that causes the delay?! John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: nc missing option -z
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I used to use netcat to check if a particular host is up or if I have internet connection before I run a few scripts. I would use the -z option in particular. But now I see that has been removed: $ nc -z imap.gmail.com 993 sync-my-email.sh ncat: invalid option -- 'z' Here is the excerpt from the old manual page: -z Specifies that nc should just scan for listening daemons, without sending any data to them. It is an error to use this option in conjunction with the -l option. Any ideas what happened to it? What can I use as replacement? Something like this perhaps. $ 2/dev/null /dev/tcp/imap.gmail.com/993 sync-my-email.sh John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to use repoquery?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: $ winword p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory $ repoquery --whatprovides /usr/lib/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so [... silence...] Any ideas? Hrm. Either yum provides */gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so or repoquery --whatprovides */gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so should work although depending on circumstances it may need to be run as root or with the --plugins option in the latter case. Using the correct full path should be ok too although it might not return all things that provide gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Bash - an odd problem using sed or awk or for
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:32 AM, John Horne john.ho...@plymouth.ac.uk wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 18:56 -0600, inode0 wrote:
Oh, for a simple variable this should work
echo ${XX/*
}
Hello,
Yes, that does seem to work :-)
Although I have to admit I'm not sure why! I'll investigate further :-)
Basically it just drops the longest substring that matches the given
pattern (match anything followed by two newlines). This does
potentially miss some edge cases if you can have strings containing
only a single leading or possibly trailing blank line. But you can
remove leading and trailing blank lines if necessary or come up with
something more clever. See the Parameter Expansion section of the
bash man page for the details of this and other frequently useful ways
to expand/modify variables.
John
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Re: Bash - an odd problem using sed or awk or for
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:33 PM, John Horne john.ho...@plymouth.ac.uk wrote:
Hello,
I have a bash script in which a variable is set to one or more lines of
text. What I want is to remove any lines up to and including a blank
line (or alternatively to echo all the lines after the last blank line).
There may be zero or more blank lines, and the blank lines need not be
consecutive. If there is no blank line, then all the lines should be
shown. If the last line is blank, then nothing should be shown. So for
example the variable may contain:
(the '=' are not part of the variable)
abc def
hijk
xyz
So in this case what is wanted is:
hijk
xyz
to be shown.
I tried something like:
echo $XX | sed -e '/./,/^$/d'
but this didn't display anything. (Where XX is the variable.)
echo ${XX[*]/*
}
John
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Re: Bash - an odd problem using sed or awk or for
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:48 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:33 PM, John Horne john.ho...@plymouth.ac.uk wrote:
Hello,
I have a bash script in which a variable is set to one or more lines of
text. What I want is to remove any lines up to and including a blank
line (or alternatively to echo all the lines after the last blank line).
There may be zero or more blank lines, and the blank lines need not be
consecutive. If there is no blank line, then all the lines should be
shown. If the last line is blank, then nothing should be shown. So for
example the variable may contain:
(the '=' are not part of the variable)
abc def
hijk
xyz
So in this case what is wanted is:
hijk
xyz
to be shown.
I tried something like:
echo $XX | sed -e '/./,/^$/d'
but this didn't display anything. (Where XX is the variable.)
echo ${XX[*]/*
}
Oh, for a simple variable this should work
echo ${XX/*
}
John
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Re: bc and built-in funcs
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I have: $ rpm -q bc bc-1.06.95-3.fc15.i686 I was searching the web for bc funs to calculate cube roots and other arbitrary roots. Almost all of the func I found assume that bc has the built-in funcs l and e which take a numeric arg. Yet my bc has no such funcs. Is the version above broken? Try running bc -l and see if you have them then. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote: For Fedora 18 is too late but I think we are on time for Fedora 19. Where and when we can make our proposals for F19 name release? Since this entire conversation is about if and how to change the process beginning with Fedora 19 there is no answer to your question until a new process is agreed to or the effort is abandoned, neither of which has happened yet. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 08/11/2012 12:41 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: As far as I can see, there's no imminent harm to giving a new release of an OS a name, if anything it gives it an identity, something to associate it with, such as when two developers are talking and one says have you seen the splash screens for Verne?with the two of them BOTH knowing what Fedora 16's name is. If someone doesn't think an OS release shouldn't' be named they can just ignore the name and go ahead and call it by whatever makes them happy! Remember Linux is all about Freedom Of Choice...whatever you choose to do, (within bounds of course!) is fine! I have no problems, personally, in naming releases. I'm sure it's much easier for the devs to refer to them by name, especially in conversation. And, for some distros, such as Ubuntu, the userbase tends to use the names, not release number, making the names even more important. My objection to the name for F17 is that it sounds immature, rather as though it had been picked by a thirteen-year-old boy suffering from testosterone overload for the first time. Yes, I understand that it was picked to honor the memory of a well-liked Fedora developer, but that's what it looks like to me. I don't think it was picked to honor anyone, but if you want to know who the immature testosterone overloaded contributor was you can see who nominated the name Beefy Miracle here: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16diff=224955oldid=224952 I think you will be surprised. Names can be a good thing, but an ill-chosen one can be a PR nightmare. I think that the only reason we've not had trouble over Beefy Miracle is the fact that most people who know anything about Fedora tend to ignore the names and those who don't mostly know why it got the name. This time, we got lucky and didn't end up with a metric butload of bad publicity. In the future, I think that some of the more mature devs might want to take a little time to make sure that we use a little common sense and avoid such names. While I originally felt the way you seem to feel about Beefy Miracle the facts proved both of us wrong. Those who said it would inject fun into the community, be good for marketing, and show we have a sense of humor were right. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 08/11/2012 01:35 PM, inode0 wrote: I don't think it was picked to honor anyone, but if you want to know who the immature testosterone overloaded contributor was you can see who nominated the name Beefy Miracle here: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16diff=224955oldid=224952 I think you will be surprised. If there's anything there to identify the contributor, I didn't see it. No matter. And, I didn't say that it was suggested by a thirteen-year-old boy, but that it sounded like it was. Big difference. I know you didn't say it was but I just wanted to point out it was proposed by someone very savvy about the community and about PR. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mspevack John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Searching For.....
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/05/2012 06:54 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 08/05/2012 03:50 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Just another not-quite-so-stupid question: If I wanted Fedora Swag...(t-shirts, coffee mug, baseball cap etc.) where would I go? I've checked the homepage but found nothingjust curious EGO II http://shop.cafepress.com/fedora http://www.cafepress.com/+fedora+mugs Excellent!...thank you so MUCH Steven!..(It's really for my 5 year old son, he claims he wants to help me spread the love of Fedoraso I plan on getting him some swag for his birthday!...) Cheers! EGO II Hi Eddie, Please drop me an email off-list and let me know when you need the swag for your son's birthday and I'll send you some authentic Fedora swag. I have no idea who sells that stuff on cafepress but it isn't Fedora. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: David Boles wrote: The Fedora Board is soliciting ideas for how to name Fedora releases from community members. Proposals should be sent to the Advisory Board list[0][1] no later than 16:00 UTC on 25 July 2012. The community is invited to discuss the proposals on the Advisory Board list. [0] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board [1] advisory-bo...@lists.fedoraproject.org My only comment is to *please* don't choose to use really stupid names like Ubuntu uses. Am I the only person who thinks that the whole idea should be dropped? I never, ever, heard anyone refer to Fedora-17 as Fedora Beefy Miracle (if that is indeed the right name). Why not just say, It seemed like a good idea at the time. But it obviously has not caught on. Let's forget it. Who ever said that was the point of a release name? It never really had a purpose that we can now look back on and say it failed. It is just a small thing our community has always done for fun. I find it hard to tell someone else to stop having a little bit of fun even when I might not personally find it fun and think it has little or no value. It isn't any skin off my nose so I say let those who find this fun have their fun. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 11:00 PM, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/30/2012 09:48 PM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 21:57 +0300, Jonathan Dieter wrote: I'm guessing the subscription-manager yum plugin is for RHEL and shouldn't be installed on a Fedora machine. And Red Hat does want to validate that your RHEL subscription before using them for updates. For what it's worth, this situation is yet another example of why you do not install everything from a repo, and why such an option is a bad idea for install discs. Plenty of packages are useless to most users, some packages are mutually exclusive with others, some will cause problems all by themselves... I did NOT install everything from a repo!!! As I already stated, it was not installed in the first place when I had I nstalled the fc16 DVD, because it was not on it (DVD). Ever since I have been doing update every other day. 2 days ago?? yum -y update must have brought it in. -y BAD IDEA!!! # rpm -q --last subscription-manager will tell you when it was last updated/installed if you haven't removed it yet. Possibly # grep subscription-manager /var/log/yum* might still tell you. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: bash history
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Peter Gueckel pguec...@gmail.com wrote: I read about a shell variable called HISTIGNORE that is supposed to prevent duplicate commands from occurring in .bash_history. I put the following line into ~/.bash_profile: export HISTIGNORE= It's not working. I still have duplicate commands galore. Why isn't is working? That prevents consecutive duplicates only I think. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: red hat?
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com said: Generally, you only get one from Red Hat when you go to work there. I think in the past they were given away at trade shows and the like, but now the only way I know to get one is to get hired there. I don't think they ever gave them away at trade shows (at least not that I saw). They did sell them on redhat.com for a long time, but that stopped when they moved the swag type stuff (hats, notepads, etc.) to an outsourced site. They have given them away at the Summit and a few other places I've seen but it isn't common. It is an expensive item for swag so usually they are only given away at special events within the event. For years they have been sold through brandfuel. I can see on the Internet Archive that happened through at least August 2010. When exactly or why it stopped I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised to see them show up again, perhaps they are just currently out of them. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: red hat?
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, inode0 ino...@gmail.com said: For years they have been sold through brandfuel. I can see on the Internet Archive that happened through at least August 2010. When exactly or why it stopped I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised to see them show up again, perhaps they are just currently out of them. No, they haven't sold them for a while now (I even asked my RH sales rep). No what? Brand Fuel sold them at least throughout the years 2005-2010. There is no contradiction between that and they haven't sold them for a while now. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: off topic: combined output of concurrent processes
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Amadeus W.M. amadeu...@verizon.net wrote: [egreshko@meimei test]$ grep ^A out | wc 97 97 582 [egreshko@meimei test]$ grep ^B out | wc 94 94 564 [egreshko@meimei test]$ grep ^C out | wc 96 96 576 I replicated this and indeed I don't get 100 lines of As, Bs and Cs. That's a new problem. Why don't I get all? Shouldn't all 300 echos have been launched when the script completes? And if the script has completed and there are echos running in the background, they should complete, no? I put a wait at the end of the script to wait for the completion of the echos, but I still get fewer lines than 100 per A, B, C. This is aggravating. So not all echos get executed (why?), yet I still don't see the output mingled. I admit I am not really clear on what output you want to get but does this give the output you want? ./ioTest.sh | cat out John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What it be..
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: On 3/2/2012 9:56 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:51:46 -0500 Hal wrote: What is the correlation between Fedora Version Numbers and RHEL 5 or RHEL 6 There is no direct correlation. Frank: Agreed, but if I remember correctly reach official RHEL is based, at least indirectly, on some prior Fedora release? RHEL5 was largely based on FC6 and RHEL6 on F12 and significant pieces of F13 iirc. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What it be..
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: John: Out of curiosity, do you (or anyone) know what RHEL7 is basing itself on? I don't use RHEL, but am wondering if the next RHEL major will have Gnome 3? (full disclosure: I switched to Xfce after F14) I don't know that the base for RHEL7 has even been decided at this point. I would be very surprised if it did not include GNOME 3 though. RHEL like Fedora offers other choices to its users. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What it be..
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: On 3/2/2012 10:32 PM, inode0 wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Paul Allen Newellpnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: John: Out of curiosity, do you (or anyone) know what RHEL7 is basing itself on? I don't use RHEL, but am wondering if the next RHEL major will have Gnome 3? (full disclosure: I switched to Xfce after F14) I don't know that the base for RHEL7 has even been decided at this point. I would be very surprised if it did not include GNOME 3 though. RHEL like Fedora offers other choices to its users. John John: Makes sense ... I have no idea what is happening in RHEL development and this thread seemed like a good place to ask the question. And since you are currently an Xfce user I'll mention that Xfce is not a currently supported desktop in RHEL but it is available to RHEL users in EPEL now and I would expect that to continue in RHEL7 although we'll need to wait and see. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F14 EOL?
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: I have yumex check for updates every morning. For the last several days, there've been none for my desktop on F14. Yesterday, there were a number of them for my laptop, now on F16. Generally speaking, there's an announcement at the FedoraForum several days before a version reaches EOL, and there hasn't been. Anybody know when it's scheduled? (I was going to upgrade the desktop by now, but I've been distracted by the problems on my laptop, so it probably won't happen until next week or so.) http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2011-November/003010.html John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 01:15 AM, JB wrote: Hi, every Fedora release is going downhill ... Erm, no. Each Fedora release has brought in numerous technical improvements. Virtualization, clustering, directory services, more and more features and performance per release. You are both correct but you are looking at the result from different perspectives. Many technical improvements do happen and they are admired by those who *later* use them in an enterprise distribution. At the same time many of those same improvements are despised by direct users of Fedora. Bringing value to the enterprise and bringing value to the Fedora desktop user are two very different things. This disconnect I see almost every day within the Fedora community which has large groups of people from both camps. I've said it before and I am going to say it again now - any definition of the target audience of Fedora that doesn't include enterprise users is wrong as it is clear to everyone looking that enterprise users are certainly an important part of the target audience. Enterprise users need to understand Fedora isn't just for them and Fedora users need to understand Fedora isn't just for them either. It is a corporate/community project, both parts of that relationship have a stake and both need to see benefits and progress that affect them in positive ways for the relationship to be sustained. Time for Fedora to decouple from RH and become quality UNIX-like distro on its own ? And what? All the engineers at Red Hat develop new tech in Fedora. Where do you propose those new technologies come from if Red Hat splits off? While I am not agreeing with the suggested split, the Red Hat developers won't stop working upstream as they do now if Fedora doesn't exist as it does today. Red Hat's contributions of new technologies really aren't Fedora specific. Those happen upstream and are included in Fedora and other distributions as those distributions choose. Trying to make them Fedora specific isn't a good way to make contributions of new technologies. Linux distros: http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_details/os-linux/all/y Without knowing a *lot* about how this information was gathered, it's meaningless. Fedora, Red Hat: http://www.google.com/trends?q=fedora%2C+redhatctab=0geo=alldate=allsort=0 These trends are pretty meaningless. Less searches on a technology don't necessarily mean the technology is on the wane. It could very well be that people are more comfortable so they're not Googling as much. Or that they know to go straight to the most popular Fedora sites or the Red Hat portal. One thing that is meaningful is that the Fedora Project has many people who believe Fedora is becoming less relevant to its defined target audience. And those who believe this aren't just end users of Fedora. Red Hat as a company is poised to be a billion dollar company this year (FY12). The FY 2006 earnings were $278.3 million.[1] That's a 4X increase in just 6 years. That's *amazing* growth. What does this have to do with Fedora or the relationship between Red Hat and Fedora? Look at things like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics, which indicate that downloads and torrents are going up with each release, not down. Maybe look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legacy_statistics to see that downloads and torrents are not going up with each release. While these statistics don't really concern me one way or the other, we do have periods of growth and decline that is evident in the available statistics. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 09:14 PM, inode0 wrote: You are both correct but you are looking at the result from different perspectives. Many technical improvements do happen and they are admired by those who *later* use them in an enterprise distribution. At the same time many of those same improvements are despised by direct users of Fedora. Bringing value to the enterprise and bringing value to the Fedora desktop user are two very different things. False dichotomy. It is only false if you assume I meant the groups to be mutually exclusive, which I did not mean since I am an example of a user in both groups. We do however have a lot of users that do fall primarily into one group or the other. How many fedora desktop end users do backflips about new clustering technology in Fedora? We need to appreciate that some of what Fedora provides is meant for me and some isn't, whoever me is and get along. As a full time user of Fedora for several years, I value new technologies directly in Fedora and I am proud these same technologies have a wide impact in other distributions and in the enterprise in future releases. I see it as a important part of Fedora's culture. One thing that is meaningful is that the Fedora Project has many people who believe Fedora is becoming less relevant to its defined target audience. And those who believe this aren't just end users of Fedora. Sure. Point me to any large distribution who doesn't have such users or contributors. I'm not interested in other large distributions and their problems. Fedora recently had a public identity crisis which seemed to largely be caused by this, and for a previous poster to suggest it just isn't true or doesn't exist seems to completely ignore our very recent history. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:34 PM, inode0 wrote: value to the Fedora desktop user are two very different things. False dichotomy. It is only false if you assume I meant the groups to be mutually exclusive, which I did not mean since I am an example of a user in both groups. We do however have a lot of users that do fall primarily into one group or the other. How many fedora desktop end users do backflips about new clustering technology in Fedora? Why the hell would any desktop user be bothered about things they don't use? I have no idea why this is a problem for anybody at all. So yes, I see a false dichotomy being preached. They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. I'm not interested in other large distributions and their problems. You should be. It doesn't make sense to look at communities in isolation when they are impacting and being impacted by a ecosystem. I live in a larger ecosystem so of course I do care. But in this context saying other communities share a problem we'd like to fix in ours only gives us an excuse to ignore it because we are no different from the others. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:57 PM, inode0 wrote: They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. How is a desktop user affected by new clustering technology? You aren't making any sense to me now You really can't think of any changes that were driven by enterprise use cases that affect Fedora desktop users? Examples have been sprinkled throughout this thread already and while I think all of them end up either being beneficial to or neutral in their effect eventually to Fedora desktop users they don't begin life that way. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:57 PM, inode0 wrote: They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. How is a desktop user affected by new clustering technology? You aren't making any sense to me now Let's start over. User #1 says Fedora is getting worse each release. User #2 says You are nuts, Fedora is great. Look at all this innovation - virtualization, clustering, etc. I was pointing out that one problem we have that this demonstrates is two big user communities. Sure they overlap but they are different. Both of the above views of Fedora make perfect sense at the same time. User #1 is from the user base professed by the project to be its target audience. User #2 is more from the enterprise consumer side of Fedora's community. My suggestion was to be more open about the importance of both of these user bases to help resolve the bad communication between them if nothing else. Sometimes innovation is driven by enterprise use cases. Sometimes that innovation affects Fedora users generally, even the ones that don't care about enterprise use cases. While those in our expressed target audience need to understand that sometimes they will be subjected to some things that they really don't care about for the good of the larger Fedora user community. And those driving that innovation need to keep in mind the effect it has on our target base so they aren't overwhelmed by what they see as needless change that is just making their use of Fedora unpleasant to the point they stop. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/14/2011 02:12 AM, inode0 wrote: User #1 is from the user base professed by the project to be its target audience. User #2 is more from the enterprise consumer side of Fedora's community. My suggestion was to be more open about the importance of both of these user bases to help resolve the bad communication between them if nothing else. Sometimes innovation is driven by enterprise use cases. Sometimes that innovation affects Fedora users generally, even the ones that don't care about enterprise use cases. Yes but the specific example of desktop user being affected by new clustering technologies didn't make sense to me and is poorly chosen IMO. I don't think you have found a way to explain it either. If you want to talk about conflicts, say the way SELinux was introduced might be a much better example. It is important to recognize however that sometimes technologies don't fit neatly into enterprise vs otherwise. For instance, systemd fits both categories just fine. I wasn't using clustering as an example of something affecting a user's desktop. I am not going to try to explain it because that was never my intention. And the only reason I didn't bring up SELinux or any other specific innovation is because I don't want to argue about the innovation. I wanted to make a more abstract point. I think you now do understand what I was trying to convey so we can let it go now. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 02:42 PM, inode0 wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:57 PM, inode0 wrote: They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. How is a desktop user affected by new clustering technology? You aren't making any sense to me now Let's start over. User #1 says Fedora is getting worse each release. User #2 says You are nuts, Fedora is great. Look at all this innovation - virtualization, clustering, etc. I was pointing out that one problem we have that this demonstrates is two big user communities. Sure they overlap but they are different. Both of the above views of Fedora make perfect sense at the same time. User #1 is from the user base professed by the project to be its target audience. Is he? I don't see anything at http://fedoraproject.org/en/about-fedora that says it's specifically targeted at consumer-class users. In fact, if you look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#User_base_.28also_known_as_target_audience.29 it makes pretty clear that there is no one class of users. Well, that seems poorly crafted to me. The user base is whoever it is, a lot of different people with a lot of different reasons to use Fedora. The target audience, despite what making it sound like they are the same, is a different collection of users as described further when you drill down. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base The special class of users that is apparently no longer called the target audience but is none-the-less the people we are trying to reach seems to fit User #1 to me. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/14/2011 06:01 AM, inode0 wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base The special class of users that is apparently no longer called the target audience but is none-the-less the people we are trying to reach seems to fit User #1 to me. I don't see it that way at all. Nothing in that says consumer or excludes users interested in enterprise technologies. It does not exclude them and no one said it did. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/14/2011 06:31 AM, inode0 wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/14/2011 06:01 AM, inode0 wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base The special class of users that is apparently no longer called the target audience but is none-the-less the people we are trying to reach seems to fit User #1 to me. I don't see it that way at all. Nothing in that says consumer or excludes users interested in enterprise technologies. It does not exclude them and no one said it did. You are missing my point. It fits #2 as much as it fits #1. Besides the user base document is only talking about the default offering which is just the desktop live cd. Not about Fedora in general. If the target audience fits #2 as well as #1 then it fits everyone and is meaningless isn't it? Most of what #2 talked about isn't even part of the default offering so he would be very disappointed in us. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A general history question
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Linux Tyro fedora@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Excited to see this world of Linux. A general question came in mind regarding the origin of Linux. Well, it (Linux) is basically a kernel -- perhaps same in majority of all the distros, almost all. Well, openSUSE also uses the technique of .rpm which is again Red Hat Package Manager. So basically i get to know that it was initially in Linux two sides -- 1) debian 2) rpm (as already discussed) but just wanted to know that openSUSE also has been derived from Redhat like many other distros have? And out of debian and .rpm, both seem to be the oldest but I guess debian is more old...? Was just talking of linux not unix (like freebsd). You might find this interesting - be sure to look at the timeline. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Robert Myers rbmyers...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/16/2011 04:24 AM, John Aldrich wrote: On Thu October 13 2011, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: The adults also realize that Fedora already has a process pretty much exactly as Thomas described, and participate in it if they want to. Really? What is it? How do we access this wondrous special forum on changing device names on a whim of a dev? Nothing major like this gets changed on whims. This change was done to solve real world problems. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ConsistentNetworkDeviceNaming The special forum is just linux kernel mailing list and fedora devel list where this was broadly announced and discussed. All major features follow the feature process (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy) and gets voted upon by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee which itself is a body elected by the Fedora contributors. If you subscribe and follow fedora devel list, you can follow all such discussions in the future. A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Your description of the process betrays exactly what is wrong with it. It's a hobby shop for geeks with a very narrow perspective on computers and how they are actually used. Even Microsoft tests changes on *users*. Of course, Fedora is sort of a beta distribution for RedHat. Everyone is welcome to help test new features. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-01-27_Network_Device_Naming_With_Biosdevname Users can with very little effort become contributors in this project and helping with testing is one of the places where people with just about any skill set can make valuable contributions. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Robert Myers rbmyers...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 9:30 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Robert Myers rbmyers...@gmail.com wrote: Even Microsoft tests changes on *users*. Of course, Fedora is sort of a beta distribution for RedHat. Everyone is welcome to help test new features. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-01-27_Network_Device_Naming_With_Biosdevname Users can with very little effort become contributors in this project and helping with testing is one of the places where people with just about any skill set can make valuable contributions. So, let's run this process in the imagination. Everyone involved in Test_Day:2011-01-27_Network_Device_Naming_With_Biosdevname has been fully briefed on the changes and has their minds focused on them. They have not just upgraded or something and are trying to get on with business. Let's suppose that one of these lowly testers is insufficiently awed by the company he is keeping to say, You know, this is really stupid. Things that I have done from memory and flawlessly for years are totally confusing and screwed up because of your need for consistency. The need is in data centers around the world, it isn't just for someone's need for consistency in the abstract. What chance is there that such feedback would have any influence whatsoever on a major change already decreed from on high? This discussion is pointless. If you're going to argue endlessly about why changing eth0 to p4p1 would be a major inconvenience to almost all end users, there is very little point in discussing the matter. For some users it is totally pointless and they were given a very simple way to disable it. Who do you think decreed this from on high? That isn't how this worked, really. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Other than a legal check for conflicts with trademarks etc, that is correct. Any name can get through if someone proposes and enough people vote for it. Anyone with a Fedora account can vote and getting a account takes only a few minutes. You can't always get the name of your choice but if you like a particular name or don't, you have the ability to influence the result. Use it. Well, the Board does screen the names and only passes on to legal the short list it chooses from those nominated by the community. This makes good sense to not overburden legal and to discard things that don't meet the requirements ... except in those cases where the Board chooses to overlook the requirements. There is a filter before the names get to legal though. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Looking for Live-multi.iso generation script
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage dsav...@peaknet.net wrote: At about this time last year an enterprising group released the Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso. With a little tweaking I was able to install this 5.2GB iso image onto a bootable 8GB thumb drive. That and a Helix3 forensic thumb drive were must haves in my toolkit. The Live-multi effort seems to have gone silent. There was no Fedora 15 edition. Has their generation script been published anywhere so I can roll my own Fedora-16-Live-multi.iso image? We actually pressed the live multi for F15 and distributed them worldwide. The media is available here. http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/releases/15/Multi/ This link may have some useful information regarding the process used to create them. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multi_Boot_Media_SOP John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Where will be the next FUDCon ?
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Marcos Ortiz mlor...@uci.cu wrote: Regards and thanks a lot reading I'm very happy with Fedora after 4 years like a normal user and I think it's time to contribute to the project. So, I'm very interested to participate on the next FUDCon. I've seen that the last one in Panamá, was a completed success, so I want to be part of this amazing community. You can find upcoming FUDCons and FADs here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Premier_Fedora_Events The next FUDCon will be in Milan this fall. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bash: (foo==0)?foo=1:foo=0 valid?
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: I seem to forget my shell programming but is the following statement valid? ($foo==0)?foo=1:foo=0 I thought it was called the tristate conditional operator but in any case I could not find it in google. I think you might be looking for something similar to foo=$(($foo==0 ? 1 : 0)) John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bash: (foo==0)?foo=1:foo=0 valid?
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: I used: (((foo==0)?foo=1:0)) and it works in a bash script! I don't think that is quite the same as what I'm guessing your original attempt intended. In this case if foo does not equal 0 to begin with it won't be set to 0. Perhaps that doesn't matter in your particular case. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 20:14, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: I've recently switched from briefs to boxers. Somehow I don't think that is worthy of an announcement either. :-) :-) Heh what a great alternative way to ay what I replied in another post. Good riddance, good luck, but most important: who cares?. :) The people who create distributions should care. Both about who adopts their distribution and why and about who abandons it and why. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Duplicate accounts?
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Armelius Cameron armeli...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53:34 pm inode0 wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/28/2011 07:47 AM, Alain Spineux wrote: So I did SUDO -i, and from root as shell I tried to chown -hR * fcassia on the Desktop folder... You must switch the star and our user name chown -hR fcassia * You should also avoid doing chown -R with just a * wildcard as this could possibly recursively follow ../ which would then try and change ownership on things you don't want changed. Out of curiosity how can you configure bash to expand a simple * to include ..? You can't. That's the point. The parent post is wrong. It would be totally insane for shell to expand * to include ../ Then any recursive operation on any directory level would also recurse up all the way up to / . That's absurd. Yes, I am giving the parent poster a chance to show us how it is possible. Of course recursive changes are always dangerous since there may be symlinks uncovered in the recursion pointing all over the place ... If it's a symlink, the operation would happen to the symlink, not the file it's pointing too. I am not saying one should not be careful to use * and recursive, but it's also useful to know exactly what can and cannot happen. Whether symlinks are followed recursively is a function of the program actually called recursively and often what options are used to call it. chown -HR foo * will on many systems for example try to change the ownership of files after traversing the matched symlinks. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Duplicate accounts?
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/28/2011 07:47 AM, Alain Spineux wrote: So I did SUDO -i, and from root as shell I tried to chown -hR * fcassia on the Desktop folder... You must switch the star and our user name chown -hR fcassia * You should also avoid doing chown -R with just a * wildcard as this could possibly recursively follow ../ which would then try and change ownership on things you don't want changed. Out of curiosity how can you configure bash to expand a simple * to include ..? Of course recursive changes are always dangerous since there may be symlinks uncovered in the recursion pointing all over the place ... John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Curious bash evaluation
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo nosp...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. See this: # A=echo 'hi' # echo $($A) 'hi' That seems rather convoluted. Are you sure you don't just want to eval $A anyway? I realize your example may be a simple abstraction of something more complex. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Curious bash evaluation
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo nosp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 10:46 -0600, inode0 wrote: On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo nosp...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. See this: # A=echo 'hi' # echo $($A) 'hi' That seems rather convoluted. Are you sure you don't just want to eval $A anyway? Very sure. Not bash, nor eval. Just simple command substitution. Another reason: it's shorter. Another reason: It must be understood, not just avoided in a micro$oft software fashion. Ok. Quote removal is done at the very end of the expansion process and only removes unquoted occurrences of \, ', and that did not result from an earlier expansion. Since the quotes in this case did occur in an earlier expansion of the variable A they are left unchanged. If you want them removed I don't think there is any way to remove them without doing something like eval to trigger a second round of quote removal. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Curious bash evaluation
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo nosp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 13:31 -0500, Chris Tyler wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 17:05 +0100, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote: Hello. See this: # A=echo 'hi' # echo $($A) 'hi' # echo 'hi' hi Does anyone understand why does the first command evals the echo but echoes the simple quotes? $() provides a type of quoting, so it's evaluated similar to: echo 'hi' which produces the observed result. Hmmm. Somehow obvious. Is that type of quoting documented somewhere? Why does it eval just the first word? While I don't agree with the above characterization the process is documented in the EXPANSION section of the bash manpage. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Migrating DVD ISO image to USB
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage dsav...@peaknet.net wrote: The Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso image is a DVD image that uses GRUB rather than isolinux to boot to a menu of Live CD ISO images. At 5.3 GB, it will not fit on an ordinary single layer DVD and requires a dual-layer DVD disc drive. If it could be written to an 8GB USB thumb drive, it could be used to boot a system with a CD, an ordinary single-layer DVD, or no optical drive at all. The Fedora livecd-iso-to-disk utility cannot make a bootable USB from this image because it uses GRUB rather than isolinux like live CDs. I submitted a RFE to enhance l-i-t-d, but it was declined. I've tried using dd to copy the ISO image directly to the thumb drive: # dd if=Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=2048 but this does not produce a bootable device. Can anyone suggest a method that will work? I think you can do this with a couple additional tweaks to grub after copying everything from Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso to the usb stick. Please be careful and double check the commands below. Assuming the usb stick is mounted on $MNT and the grub configuration is setup to use a CD we would need to change one line in grub.conf for booting from USB instead. # perl -p -i -e 's#root \(cd\)#root \(hd0,0\)#' $MNT/boot/grub/grub.conf We also probably need to adjust the device.map for USB with something similar to # echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' $MNT/boot/grub/device.map You might need to do the above step from a machine where the usb stick is mounted on /dev/sda1 ... I'd have to test that to be sure. Finally run grub-install on the image with great care # grub-install --root-directory=$MNT --no-floppy '(hd0)' With some variation of these I think we can get it to boot from a usb stick. Did I say be careful? :) John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Migrating DVD ISO image to USB
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:49 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage dsav...@peaknet.net wrote: The Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso image is a DVD image that uses GRUB rather than isolinux to boot to a menu of Live CD ISO images. At 5.3 GB, it will not fit on an ordinary single layer DVD and requires a dual-layer DVD disc drive. If it could be written to an 8GB USB thumb drive, it could be used to boot a system with a CD, an ordinary single-layer DVD, or no optical drive at all. The Fedora livecd-iso-to-disk utility cannot make a bootable USB from this image because it uses GRUB rather than isolinux like live CDs. I submitted a RFE to enhance l-i-t-d, but it was declined. I've tried using dd to copy the ISO image directly to the thumb drive: # dd if=Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=2048 but this does not produce a bootable device. Can anyone suggest a method that will work? I think you can do this with a couple additional tweaks to grub after copying everything from Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso to the usb stick. Please be careful and double check the commands below. Ok, I downloaded Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso and gave it a try. We can drop what I had as the first step. We need to partition the usb stick. I used ext2 (I expect ext3 is fine too) with just one partition. I used tune2fs with -c 0 and -i 0 to disable fsck and be sure to label the partition Fedora-14-multi. Then remount it. # echo '(hd0) sda' /media/Fedora-14-multi/boot/grub/device.map I think we need a tab character between (hd0) and sda in the command above. You might need to do the following step from a machine where the usb stick is mounted on /dev/sda1 ... I'd have to test that to be sure but I recall grub-install being cranky otherwise. # grub-install --root-directory=/media/Fedora-14-multi --no-floppy '(hd0)' Now the usb stick is booting happily into the various live spins. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Migrating DVD ISO image to USB
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage dsav...@peaknet.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 23:21 -0600, inode0 wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:49 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage dsav...@peaknet.net wrote: The Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso image is a DVD image that uses GRUB rather than isolinux to boot to a menu of Live CD ISO images. At 5.3 GB, it will not fit on an ordinary single layer DVD and requires a dual-layer DVD disc drive. If it could be written to an 8GB USB thumb drive, it could be used to boot a system with a CD, an ordinary single-layer DVD, or no optical drive at all. The Fedora livecd-iso-to-disk utility cannot make a bootable USB from this image because it uses GRUB rather than isolinux like live CDs. I submitted a RFE to enhance l-i-t-d, but it was declined. I've tried using dd to copy the ISO image directly to the thumb drive: # dd if=Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=2048 but this does not produce a bootable device. Can anyone suggest a method that will work? I think you can do this with a couple additional tweaks to grub after copying everything from Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso to the usb stick. Please be careful and double check the commands below. Ok, I downloaded Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso and gave it a try. We can drop what I had as the first step. We need to partition the usb stick. I used ext2 (I expect ext3 is fine too) with just one partition. I used tune2fs with -c 0 and -i 0 to disable fsck and be sure to label the partition Fedora-14-multi. Then remount it. # echo '(hd0) sda' /media/Fedora-14-multi/boot/grub/device.map I think we need a tab character between (hd0) and sda in the command above. You might need to do the following step from a machine where the usb stick is mounted on /dev/sda1 ... I'd have to test that to be sure but I recall grub-install being cranky otherwise. # grub-install --root-directory=/media/Fedora-14-multi --no-floppy '(hd0)' Now the usb stick is booting happily into the various live spins. John John, I'm confused. Are you operating on the thumb drive as /dev/sdX (unpartitioned) or /dev/sdX1 (partitioned)? You need to partition the thumb drive. So in my case I mount /dev/sda1 on /media/Fedora-14-multi. I guess I didn't say how I got the content onto the thumb drive. I loopmount the orginal ISO and just cp -dR everything on it over to /media/Fedora-14-multi/, then do the two steps to setup grub on it. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A message from the Fedora Board to all of our users
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com wrote: There have been recent discussions on this list surrounding the fact that users feel left out of the Fedora decision making process. As the Fedora leadership, we'd like to do nothing more than engage the user community as key participants in constructive dialog around the direction that Fedora Project takes. This sounds like a nice idea. The key for the Board to make it a reality is to engage the user community about issues that will affect it before they are decided. After a decision has been made you will only receive dialog that you won't find constructive. As you may know, Fedora's strategic direction is led by the Board[1]. I really don't understand how the Board does this now but perhaps the Board might find this link helpful for doing it in a way that promotes more community buy-in in the future. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page In stark contrast with most boards, we encourage open and active communications with all of our constituents, and cannot operate in isolation. We hold public meetings twice a month, which anyone is welcome to join (or read the transcript afterwards, if the time is inconvenient or you otherwise cannot attend). Since when has the Board held two public meetings a month? At the public meetings I have attended over the years there has typically been 15-30 minutes, sometimes more, available for the community to participate by asking the Board questions. 15-30 minutes a month isn't really much time for constructive dialog with a community as large as the Fedora Project. Please explain the nature of these meetings and the opportunity it gives members of the community to participate. To what extent can those who join these meetings actively participate? Most importantly, we also have a public mailing list, advisory-bo...@lists.fedoraproject.org[2]. The Board strives to conduct most of it's business on this list, save for that which deals with sensitive legal or personal issues which cannot be discussed in public. Is this something new too? I've been reading that list for years and I believe there are Board members who haven't posted 10 *words* to it all year. I see some cases where routine business is conducted there, like trademark use requests and occasional requests for feedback from the community about proposed changes. I don't see the Board deliberate any of the interesting problems facing it on that list though. I think it would be wonderful if that happened but my honest impression is that the Board is loathe to discuss anything that is actually interesting on that list because every time someone is brave enough to do it the Board quickly concludes that it is an ineffective vehicle for such discussions. And this is counterproductive because the community often concludes from it that the Board isn't really very interested in what community members think. As we strive to create a culture in Fedora where constructive engagement is preferred, and non-constructive engagement is strongly discouraged, there will be discussions on this list as to how best to achieve that goal. We welcome and encourage the community (that means YOU!) to participate constructively in these discussions by joining the list and providing input. Does this mean we are going to have more discussion on that list about toxic and poisonous people and community members who aren't poisonous can provide input? I would really like to see that discussion moved off-list as I find it to be poisonous to the community and very demotivating. The culture comes from what? The project's shared values? Goals? Practices? It can be created by setting good examples and passing on the values and practices of the community to new community members. Perhaps there are some communities within the Fedora Project where this education process is failing but I hope the Board begins to look at how to teach community members about our culture rather than how to punish it for misbehaving because in the long run only a community that really shares a culture will accept its norms. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Setting GDM Login Screen Background
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Sawrub luckysharm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Appearance Preferences Background and selecting 'Make Default' used to set the selected desktop background as the background image for the GDM login screen and used to work till F11, but is not working as desired under F12. Is there any other setting that i'm missing under F12 to do the same. Seems to still work for me. Try putting your desired background image in /usr/share/backgrounds someplace if you haven't maybe. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:08 AM, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote: Hi, On 02/16/2010 02:58 PM, Alan Cox wrote: (1) Curious about why you say Moblin is dead? I missed the announcement! (2) I'm writing this on a EeePC 1000HA (1GB, 160GB - but I'm using less than 20G) running F12 very nicely. Moblin and Maemo are merging to produce one project using the best bits of each to produce a single distro www.meego.com Sorry for hijacking the thread but I wanted to point something out to the fedora folk out here who have not yet heard this -- MeeGo intends to use rpm instead of deb for package management (yay !). If after developing for your favorite open source project for years the company sponsoring that project decided tomorrow that it was merging with another project and you would need to switch to a different packaging system I suspect your reaction would be different. However, there's been a considerable amount of community bashing taking place out on the MeeGo mailing list by current Maemo community members who are partial to dpkg. A lot of the reasoning goes like this ...rpm has dependency issues ... ...rpm is slower than dpkg ... ...dpkg is more capable/stable/flexible than rpm ... While it is true that there is a fair number of silly arguments about the technical merits of the change, the real problem is that there was no transparency in the decision process leading to the change. There was no explanation that I have seen even stating clearly why the change is being made. I'm guessing it is related to LSB issues and the decision to have The Linux Foundation direct the project. Rather than adopting Fedora's package management system what Nokia has needed from the very beginning of maemo was to adopt Fedora's community model. Even if this merger somehow turns out well for its target audience I think it is a very sad display of the mismanagement of an open source project. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: inode0 wrote: It if were brand new they could do whatever they pleased to create it. But it isn't brand new. And it isn't just two businesses who can tell their paid staff what to work on tomorrow. How long has MeeGo be around for? This is semantics. Merging and renaming two existing things makes something new out of something that already exists. There wouldn't be any problem if it weren't for yanking an existing community from something they have been contributing to for years into something else with a press release. Does Fedora bicker over which shell it wants? Does Red Hat require the shell to be bash? Who makes that decision? This is getting as silly as the arguments over rpm now. Precisely what I was driving at. But Fedora doesn't bicker about this. Red Hat doesn't mandate this. Fedora as a community makes the decision. So why are we discussing it at all? Having transparent governance and community decision making does not mean bickering about such things. I think if we compare how Fedora's corporate sponsor has gone about helping to create, foster, and empower its community and compare that with the Nokia/maemo relationship there are valuable things to be learned. I couldn't agree with you more, but there is hope in that Nokia is pairing up on the effort and wishes to expand (explore?). This sentiment I think everyone shared in the beginning. Give Nokia time to learn its way. But they began with old mistakes (core controlled by them and the community contributing on the edges, sound familiar?) and continue with a governance model that guarantees a dysfunctional community that at each sudden jerk feels used. Hope may spring eternal but eventually people get discouraged. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: inode0 wrote: But Fedora doesn't bicker about this. Red Hat doesn't mandate this. Fedora as a community makes the decision. So why are we discussing it at all? Having transparent governance and community decision making does not mean bickering about such things. The problem is communication. With Maemo there was none. I can't say much for Moblin as I haven't been involved at all. We are in the same position here. I haven't followed Moblin either and haven't said much if anything about the Moblin community. I've been a long time internet tablet user, both the N770 and N800 and do follow what is going on in the Maemo community. And I agree communication is a big part of the problem but I don't see how that will ever change when the governance that matters is done outside the Maemo community. This sentiment I think everyone shared in the beginning. Give Nokia time to learn its way. But they began with old mistakes (core controlled by them and the community contributing on the edges, sound familiar?) and continue with a governance model that guarantees a dysfunctional community that at each sudden jerk feels used. Hope may spring eternal but eventually people get discouraged. Yes, they are starting out the same but you should really Google or read through some recent (as of this month) posts by @nokia folk that have posted road maps and such that detail an overhaul of what they want to accomplish. I'm holding out hope they follow that plan. You're free to think Nokia won't change. Actually I think Nokia will change. If it doesn't the community it relies on will eventually unravel. I just worry that the change will not be good if it comes after the community gives up. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Turning off ipv6
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Blacklisting ipv6 may not be enough to disable it completely; ipv6 can still be loaded with insmod/modprobe. If you add install ipv6 /bin/true to the blacklist entry, it will not load at all. I think insmod will still load it even in that case although modprobe won't. It is too much a pain to get rid of that I don't really want to test that tonight. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Stoopid script failure
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone explain why this doesn't work? I've been writing shell scripts on and off for several decades and I can't see what's going on here. Is senility setting it? $ cat tst #!/bin/sh echo foo $ chmod +x tst $ ls -l tst -rwxrwxr-x 1 poc poc 19 2010-02-06 10:22 tst $ type tst tst is ./tst $ tst bash: ./tst: Permission denied (SElinux is off, if it matters). Any chance the filesystem is mounted with noexec? John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
