Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:58:28 AM Fernando Cassia wrote: 73 year olds say how cool? I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, English is not my native language :) In a local restaurant, there is an old advertisement poster for men's boxer shorts, and in quotes the word 'coolness.' My oldest teenage daughter saw that and wondered about the 'modern' advertisement. Fortunately, there was a copyright date on the poster. The date? 1915. What's old is new again. It's quite possible that a little over twenty years after that ad was published the shorter 'cool' was still in use, around the time a 73 year-old would have been born. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:20 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote: On Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:58:28 AM Fernando Cassia wrote: 73 year olds say how cool? I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, English is not my native language :) In a local restaurant, there is an old advertisement poster for men's boxer shorts, and in quotes the word 'coolness.' My oldest teenage daughter saw that and wondered about the 'modern' advertisement. Fortunately, there was a copyright date on the poster. The date? 1915. What's old is new again. It's quite possible that a little over twenty years after that ad was published the shorter 'cool' was still in use, around the time a 73 year-old would have been born. It's also possible that the advertisement literally meant keeps your genitals cool in the summer. It's hard to know what a hundred-year-old advertisement might really have meant :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/20/2011 06:35 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:20 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote: On Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:58:28 AM Fernando Cassia wrote: 73 year olds say how cool? I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, English is not my native language :) In a local restaurant, there is an old advertisement poster for men's boxer shorts, and in quotes the word 'coolness.' My oldest teenage daughter saw that and wondered about the 'modern' advertisement. Fortunately, there was a copyright date on the poster. The date? 1915. What's old is new again. It's quite possible that a little over twenty years after that ad was published the shorter 'cool' was still in use, around the time a 73 year-old would have been born. It's also possible that the advertisement literally meant keeps your genitals cool in the summer. It's hard to know what a hundred-year-old advertisement might really have meant :) Perhaps. At times like this I look to the OED, and its first citation is from the New Yorker in 1948: The bebop people have a language of their own. Their expressions of approval include 'cool'! Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 18:48 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: On 06/20/2011 06:35 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:20 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote: On Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:58:28 AM Fernando Cassia wrote: 73 year olds say how cool? I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, English is not my native language :) In a local restaurant, there is an old advertisement poster for men's boxer shorts, and in quotes the word 'coolness.' My oldest teenage daughter saw that and wondered about the 'modern' advertisement. Fortunately, there was a copyright date on the poster. The date? 1915. What's old is new again. It's quite possible that a little over twenty years after that ad was published the shorter 'cool' was still in use, around the time a 73 year-old would have been born. It's also possible that the advertisement literally meant keeps your genitals cool in the summer. It's hard to know what a hundred-year-old advertisement might really have meant :) Perhaps. At times like this I look to the OED, and its first citation is from the New Yorker in 1948: The bebop people have a language of their own. Their expressions of approval include 'cool'! Andrew. See also World Wide Words: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-coo1.htm for a more extensive article on various meanings of 'cool'. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
5-star Fedora experience
The gOS kiddie linux ( yes, I know I'm gonna get hell for that ) based on ubuntu 8.4 which was installed on my mother's laptop, gagged on some update which came in and crashed the x-server. I was already fed up about listening to complaints about poor performance, pidgin certificate error messages with her MSN account, and other issues. I decided it was time to try Fedora again. Previously no fedora releases would work on her crappy acer notebook because of the obscure SIS graphics chipset. gOS, now defunct, did work and seemed perfect for a 73 year old granny who just got her first computer and was too paranoid to use windows for online banking ( sometimes reading internet for dummies is NOT a good thing. :-) I downloaded the 32-bit Fedora 15 XFCE live cd, ran it, noticed there were no oscillating yellow lines going down the LCD screen and installed to hard drive. There is a God! My 75 year old mother loves it! She keep IM'ing thank yous. It was 100% compatible with her SIS craphics, the wifi strength is now well into the 90% range instead of the 60% range, and pidgin is the latest version ( I couldn't get it updated on that 3 year old gOS instllation ). She raves about the ease of use. She raves about how she prefers the fonts. She is stunned by the speed, and positively loves the layout. I let her take a look at gnome 3 on my computer and she went how cool. In any case, she was right. I downloaded the XFCE 64-bit live CD and installed to my notebook. It is very decent indeed. I just wanted to post something other than doomgloom for a change. ;-) GW -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 09:36, Gary Waters linuxnuts...@videotron.cawrote: I let her take a look at gnome 3 on my computer and she went how cool. 73 year olds say how cool? I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, English is not my native language :) I thought that by that age (no pun intended) one gets closer to I'm 73 years old. What the hell do I care? ;-) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107050/quotes FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
I downloaded the XFCE 64-bit live CD and installed to my notebook. It is very decent indeed. I just wanted to post something other than doomgloom for a change. ;-) GW Awesome story! I never tried the gOS disto, but I'm glad she's digging Fedora. How Cool was my reaction to GNOME 3 - I think the ideas and principles are awesome, but I'm the Fedora XFCE spin as well as it suits the way I interact with my computer better, and I love it! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 08:36 AM, Gary Waters wrote: The gOS kiddie linux ( yes, I know I'm gonna get hell for that ) based on ubuntu 8.4 which was installed on my mother's laptop, gagged on some update which came in and crashed the x-server. I was already fed up about listening to complaints about poor performance, pidgin certificate error messages with her MSN account, and other issues. I decided it was time to try Fedora again. Previously no fedora releases would work on her crappy acer notebook because of the obscure SIS graphics chipset. gOS, now defunct, did work and seemed perfect for a 73 year old granny who just got her first computer and was too paranoid to use windows for online banking ( sometimes reading internet for dummies is NOT a good thing. :-) I downloaded the 32-bit Fedora 15 XFCE live cd, ran it, noticed there were no oscillating yellow lines going down the LCD screen and installed to hard drive. There is a God! My 75 year old mother loves it! She keep IM'ing thank yous. It was 100% compatible with her SIS craphics, the wifi strength is now well into the 90% range instead of the 60% range, and pidgin is the latest version ( I couldn't get it updated on that 3 year old gOS instllation ). She raves about the ease of use. She raves about how she prefers the fonts. She is stunned by the speed, and positively loves the layout. I let her take a look at gnome 3 on my computer and she went how cool. In any case, she was right. I downloaded the XFCE 64-bit live CD and installed to my notebook. It is very decent indeed. I just wanted to post something other than doomgloom for a change. ;-) GW I've been a satisfied Linux user since the days when you had to install it from a set of floppy disks because CDs hadn't been invented yet. I generally run one release back from the bleeding edge. Now that F15 is out I'm running F14. That way I can avoid almost all of the teething pains of the new releases. By the time I've moved on to the next release the problems have been found and fixed. It took me a while to replace all my legacy Windows applications all those years ago, but that was then. Today there are mature applications available, both FOSS and commercial, to suit almost any task you might have at hand. Sorry guys but I'm not a FOSS snob. It just happens that my favorite OS is FOSS. For those occasional Widows dependent situations there's KVM built in. I install Widows as an application in KVM so that I can just restart the VM when ever Windows goes south, as it frequently does, without blowing out my entire Linux system. -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registerd Linux user No #267004 www.counter.li.org In a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today. ** To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it. To mess up an MS Windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ -- Signature shamelessly copied from: Jatin Khatri geleem -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 10:58 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 09:36, Gary Waters linuxnuts...@videotron.ca mailto:linuxnuts...@videotron.ca wrote: I let her take a look at gnome 3 on my computer and she went how cool. 73 year olds say how cool? I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, English is not my native language :) I thought that by that age (no pun intended) one gets closer to I'm 73 years old. What the hell do I care? ;-) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107050/quotes FC She more than likely picked up that expression from me and never dropped it. I was a very verbose teen. I remember having a few expressions such as how cool and dig it. I also eventually started using the nasty F-word. She, however, did not swear until being overexposed to it. I was always saying things like buck it or buck that. One day, out of the blue, she hollered why don't you clean up your bucking room? After the initial shock I'm pretty sure I said how cool, mom used the f-word. :-) GW -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 11:55 AM, Jayson Rowe wrote: I downloaded the XFCE 64-bit live CD and installed to my notebook. It is very decent indeed. I just wanted to post something other than doomgloom for a change. ;-) GW Awesome story! I never tried the gOS disto, but I'm glad she's digging Fedora. How Cool was my reaction to GNOME 3 - I think the ideas and principles are awesome, but I'm the Fedora XFCE spin as well as it suits the way I interact with my computer better, and I love it! The huge google gadgets icons in gOS provided enough esthetique bait to switch her over from windows, which she used for several months. She has the ol' family arthritis and knee problems and was having trouble getting to the bank. I suggested online banking. She bit untiol she started reading about viruses, keyloggers, etc... That's when I suggested Linux. Strangely enough, I believe she was easy to convert to Linux so easily because she had not spent YEARS using windows. I noticed she's spending a lot of time in the games section. I made sure enough goodies were check-marked. :-) The funny part was her gOS croaked at 11:15 PM thursday night. I was in the shower and my wife was asleep. Suddenly my wife walks into the bathroom, half comatose. Your mom can't log in. Dear mother let the phone right about 30 times until she got a response. Welcome to the 21st century. :-) GW -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 01:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/19/2011 09:33 AM, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 11:58 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, English is not my native language :) I always thought 1960s... Though I'm probably late, too. Any time I here someone say cool, I always think of The Fonz, from the Happy Days tv series. ;-) I'm not sure, but I think I remember it starting with the beatniks in the late '50s. It is periodic - it came back among gen y/z'ers long after whatever the the original ancient version was ... its used much like 'sweet' (which I'd guess was also used by ancients .. :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 10:22 AM, Gary Waters wrote: Strangely enough, I believe she was easy to convert to Linux so easily because she had not spent YEARS using windows. I noticed she's spending a lot of time in the games section. I made sure enough goodies were check-marked. :-) My (older) sister used Gatesware for years before she tried an Ubuntu LiveCD. Five minutes was enough to convert her and she's been a happy penguin ever since. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 08:03 AM, Mark LaPierre wrote: I've been a satisfied Linux user since the days when you had to install it from a set of floppy disks because CDs hadn't been invented yet. I generally run one release back from the bleeding edge. Now that F15 is out I'm running F14. That way I can avoid almost all of the teething pains of the new releases. By the time I've moved on to the next release the problems have been found and fixed. +1 Will upgrade to 15 when 16 is released. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 01:34 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/19/2011 10:22 AM, Gary Waters wrote: Strangely enough, I believe she was easy to convert to Linux so easily because she had not spent YEARS using windows. I noticed she's spending a lot of time in the games section. I made sure enough goodies were check-marked. :-) My (older) sister used Gatesware for years before she tried an Ubuntu LiveCD. Five minutes was enough to convert her and she's been a happy penguin ever since. Hasn't worked with my wife, kid, or business partner. Strangely enough, my partner is a damn good command line linux programmer, but he can't get away from the gatesware desktop. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 05:36:21 AM, Gary Waters wrote: snip I downloaded the 32-bit Fedora 15 XFCE live cd, ran it, noticed there were no oscillating yellow lines going down the LCD screen and installed to hard drive. There is a God! My 75 year old mother loves it! Years ago, I watched Revolution OS with my Mom and Dad. I was President or VP of the local linux users group and I wanted my parents to see what I was doing. Must've been about 2001, 2002. Anyway, my Mom had not had a computer up until then. She saw the movie and insisted on having a computer, and having Linux on that computer. She was and still is totally taken with the ideas behind FOSS and wanted to support it as much as she could. So we got her a laptop from Linux Certified. It does exactly what she wants and she never has to worry about catching a virus, blue screens, screwing it up, or anything else. Yes, I have to be her sysadmin for major upgrades, but I would have to do that if she were running Windows as well. Dad appreciated all the ideas behind FOSS and agrees with most of them, but has confessed to being too lazy to want to learn a new OS. He designed some of the first ICs ever made by AMD and completely swore off computers when he retired in the early 80's, but was entranced back by Zork I on my very early Toshiba laptop (late 80's). Anyway, he's still a Gateswear user, for now. Rikke -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 11:55 AM, JD wrote: Will upgrade to 15 when 16 is released. Right now, I'm seriously considering skipping 15 and going from 14 right to 16. Unless the complaints about it both here and on fedoraforum.org drop drastically, that is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 13:16 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 06/19/2011 01:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/19/2011 09:33 AM, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 11:58 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: I thought ´cool´ was a 1980s thing (sorry, English is not my native language :) I always thought 1960s... Though I'm probably late, too. Any time I here someone say cool, I always think of The Fonz, from the Happy Days tv series. ;-) I'm not sure, but I think I remember it starting with the beatniks in the late '50s. It is periodic - it came back among gen y/z'ers long after whatever the the original ancient version was ... its used much like 'sweet' (which I'd guess was also used by ancients .. :-) as a mostly ancient... I don't recall ever hearing 'sweet' until Napoleon Dynamite. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 5-star Fedora experience
On 06/19/2011 12:03 PM, Gary Waters wrote: Hasn't worked with my wife, kid, or business partner. De gustabus non disputatum est. If that's what they're comfortable with, if using Winderz makes them happy, why should they change? Of course, my sister was happy with Windoze, but she was also curious about Linux, and that may be what's different. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Another 5-star Fedora experience
Hijacking this thread but in the same vein. My daughter is first year IT and media teacher at a private school. She warned her students that her computer looked different because she used Linux Ubuntu 10.04. The students were impressed and fed up with problems of their current operating system. Within 3 days all had changed to Linux, they use Gimp, Blender, LibreOffice, etc instead of proprietary applications. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another 5-star Fedora experience
20.06.2011, 10:48, Roger are...@bigpond.com: Hijacking this thread but in the same vein. My daughter is first year IT and media teacher at a private school. She warned her students that her computer looked different because she used Linux Ubuntu 10.04. The students were impressed and fed up with problems of their current operating system. Within 3 days all had changed to Linux, they use Gimp, Blender, LibreOffice, etc instead of proprietary applications. Roger Keep the success stories coming! :-) -- Best regards, Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor Email: shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, IRC: misha on freenode https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/shnurapet, GPG: 00217306 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
