Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 16:51, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:05:47 -0200, AC (Andre) wrote: Maybe if there was a similar documentation explaining to old dogs (myself included) how to do SysV tasks the systemd way, transition would be easier. I know the information is probably already on all the manpages somehow, but I'm talking explicitly about something along the if you wanna do this sysv-cmd, use this systemd-cmd way. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Nice, that's exactly what I was talking about =) Thks for the pointer. Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:00:13 -0500 Fedora User wrote: The system does seem to boot faster but this is really arcane compared to sysV which seemed very straightforward. Arcane is the word. One big problem is the complete lack of anything like chkconfig --list for systemd services (it would be nice if chkconfig just figured out how to provide the info and included it). Unfortunately, chkconfig itself doesn't translate to systemd well. However, this thread got me thinking that there is a need for a chkconfig-like tool for systemd. So, I wrote one: http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ It uses systemd's DBus interface to provide an equivalent to chkconfig --list, and manages the symlinks in /etc/systemd/ much like chkconfig managed the symlinks in /etc/rc.d. It replicates some functionality that systemctl provides (in fact, it calls systemctl in those instances), but does several things systemctl does not. It does not implement the exact same syntax as chkconfig, for instance it replaces --level with --target. But, with its slight deviations, it provides most of the functionality of chkconfig in a way that fully maps to systemd. Hopefully some will find it helpful. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16
On 13/11/11 11:12, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: -T.C. 404 on the rpm -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16
On 11/13/2011 07:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 13/11/11 11:12, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: -T.C. 404 on the rpm Fine from here... -- Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to? -- Clarence Darrow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16
On 11/13/2011 07:29 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/13/2011 07:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 13/11/11 11:12, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: -T.C. 404 on the rpm Fine from here... Oooopss wrong link NOT fine from here... -- Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to? -- Clarence Darrow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: 404 on the rpm Fixed. Sorry about that! -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:12 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:00:13 -0500 Fedora User wrote: The system does seem to boot faster but this is really arcane compared to sysV which seemed very straightforward. Arcane is the word. One big problem is the complete lack of anything like chkconfig --list for systemd services (it would be nice if chkconfig just figured out how to provide the info and included it). Unfortunately, chkconfig itself doesn't translate to systemd well. However, this thread got me thinking that there is a need for a chkconfig-like tool for systemd. So, I wrote one: http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ It uses systemd's DBus interface to provide an equivalent to chkconfig --list, and manages the symlinks in /etc/systemd/ much like chkconfig managed the symlinks in /etc/rc.d. It replicates some functionality that systemctl provides (in fact, it calls systemctl in those instances), but does several things systemctl does not. It does not implement the exact same syntax as chkconfig, for instance it replaces --level with --target. But, with its slight deviations, it provides most of the functionality of chkconfig in a way that fully maps to systemd. Hopefully some will find it helpful. Whilst we are on the subject can someone tell me what the systemd equivalent is for the command service iptables save ? Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16
Hi, On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:34, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: 404 on the rpm Fixed. Sorry about that! I can't seem to pipe the output or redirect it to a file. Try either of those gives me this backtrace: graphical.target Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 241, in module main() File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 92, in main list_deps(args.unit, targets) File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 180, in list_deps print_deps(target, False) File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 203, in print_deps print_dep(prefix, unit, True, by) File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 210, in print_dep print_deps(unit, by, prefix=''.join(['│ ', prefix]), required=required) File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 195, in print_deps print prefix, UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u2502' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) -T.C. Hope this helps. PS: I think this is a very useful utility, maybe its worthwhile submitting this for inclusion? -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? That tells me what units are available, not what units are enabled to be started at boot. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:41:14 + mike cloaked wrote: Whilst we are on the subject can someone tell me what the systemd equivalent is for the command service iptables save ? I always just run the iptables-save program directly and redirect output to /etc/sysconfig/iptables if you really want to save the state permanently and not just look at it (I'm pretty sure that is all the rc script did with the save command). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 6:46 AM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: I can't seem to pipe the output or redirect it to a file. Try either of those gives me this backtrace: graphical.target Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 241, in module main() File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 92, in main list_deps(args.unit, targets) File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 180, in list_deps print_deps(target, False) File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 203, in print_deps print_dep(prefix, unit, True, by) File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 210, in print_dep print_deps(unit, by, prefix=''.join(['│ ', prefix]), required=required) File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 195, in print_deps print prefix, UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u2502' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) Yay for unicode bugs! Fixed in chksystemd-2 (along with a brown paper bag bug that made the reset action not work), which is now available at http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ Hope this helps. PS: I think this is a very useful utility, maybe its worthwhile submitting this for inclusion? I definitely will once it's got some more testing. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On 11/13/2011 04:42 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Unfortunately, chkconfig itself doesn't translate to systemd well. However, this thread got me thinking that there is a need for a chkconfig-like tool for systemd. So, I wrote one: http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ Perhaps patches to systemctl to implement additional command line arguments would be more useful than teaching everyone to use two different tools. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 04:42 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Unfortunately, chkconfig itself doesn't translate to systemd well. However, this thread got me thinking that there is a need for a chkconfig-like tool for systemd. So, I wrote one: http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ Perhaps patches to systemctl to implement additional command line arguments would be more useful than teaching everyone to use two different tools. Yes - if systemctl is ultimately the only daemon control command then everything that is needed should be included, once all sysV stuff has gone from =f17? I would like to see something in systemctl to achieve what used to be done with service iptables save - as another poster already said one can manually do: iptables-save /etc/sysconfig/iptables Most daemon controls were done with either of service or chkconfig - would be nice to have it all within systemctl. So why not just have this from systemctl using something like systemctl save iptables.service ? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:22, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:41:14 + mike cloaked wrote: Whilst we are on the subject can someone tell me what the systemd equivalent is for the command service iptables save ? I always just run the iptables-save program directly and redirect output to /etc/sysconfig/iptables if you really want to save the state permanently and not just look at it (I'm pretty sure that is all the rc script did with the save command). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines I've always been a RedHat/Fedora user, but I have to use Ubuntu at work. At first I was completely lost with apt-get, but then someone pointed me to this page [ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromLinux/RedHatEnterpriseLinuxAndFedora] and it made a whole lot of difference to me as a newcomer. Maybe if there was a similar documentation explaining to old dogs (myself included) how to do SysV tasks the systemd way, transition would be easier. I know the information is probably already on all the manpages somehow, but I'm talking explicitly about something along the if you wanna do this sysv-cmd, use this systemd-cmd way. Just my $0.02. Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:17:41 -0500 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? That tells me what units are available, not what units are enabled to be started at boot. How about systemctl -a -t service | less and if you want only active services systemctl -a -t service | grep -e active | less or inactive similarly systemctl -a -t service | grep -e inactive | less -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 15:22, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u2502' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) Yay for unicode bugs! Fixed in chksystemd-2 (along with a brown paper bag bug that made the reset action not work), which is now available at http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ Great, works nicely now. Hope this helps. PS: I think this is a very useful utility, maybe its worthwhile submitting this for inclusion? I definitely will once it's got some more testing. Looking forward to it. Thanks a lot for this nice contribution. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:34:59 -0700 stan wrote: How about systemctl -a -t service | less and if you want only active services systemctl -a -t service | grep -e active | less or inactive similarly systemctl -a -t service | grep -e inactive | less Still not the same, a service might be set to start at boot and fail for some reason and no longer be active, but it is still configured to start at boot. I suspect the new tool pointed at in another branch of this thread is what I'll want to use, but I haven't gotten a chance to try it yet. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:17:41 -0500 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? That tells me what units are available, not what units are enabled to be started at boot. sorry, I meant: systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:34:59 -0700 stan gr...@q.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:17:41 -0500 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? That tells me what units are available, not what units are enabled to be started at boot. How about systemctl -a -t service | less and if you want only active services systemctl -a -t service | grep -e active | less or inactive similarly systemctl -a -t service | grep -e inactive | less SystemD fixes what weren't broke ;-) Seriously. It's easier to eliminate it all and just script everything in rc.local. The increasing and pointless esoterica is making it impossible for people to migrate to Fedora and that is very unfortunate. Presumably, a new install still runs setup which includes services -- but only SysV? system-config-services no longer does anything. An old Linux value used to be that simple and straightforward is elegant. This is inelegant. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:35:01 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: sorry, I meant: systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled kevin That almost does it, but there is still something slightly different: [root@zooty ~]# ls /etc/systemd/system/*.wants/*.service | wc -l 31 [root@zooty ~]# systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled | wc -l 38 Looks like the extra 7 are things that aren't named .service. So I think this does what I want: systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled | fgrep .service Now I just need to find the option that makes it not truncate long service names with ... and I'll be all set :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On 11/13/2011 10:07 PM, Fedora User wrote: SystemD fixes what weren't broke ;-) Seriously. It's easier to eliminate it all and just script everything in rc.local. Not for any serious distribution developer or system administrator and btw, it is spelled systemd Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:55:55 +, MC (mike) wrote: I would like to see something in systemctl to achieve what used to be done with service iptables save - as another poster already said one can manually do: iptables-save /etc/sysconfig/iptables Most daemon controls were done with either of service or chkconfig - would be nice to have it all within systemctl. So why not just have this from systemctl using something like systemctl save iptables.service ? service iptables save has been a bad idea. It's save action has not even been part of LSB. iptables is not a daemon, at most a one-shot initscript. IMO, it's much better to decouple iptables-save and systemctl. systemctl is not the proper interface to use for modifying the iptables configuration. Neither at run-time nor in /etc/sysconfig. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:05:47 -0200, AC (Andre) wrote: Maybe if there was a similar documentation explaining to old dogs (myself included) how to do SysV tasks the systemd way, transition would be easier. I know the information is probably already on all the manpages somehow, but I'm talking explicitly about something along the if you wanna do this sysv-cmd, use this systemd-cmd way. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sunday 13 November 2011 07:22:51 T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Yay for unicode bugs! Fixed in chksystemd-2 (along with a brown paper bag bug that made the reset action not work), which is now available at http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ Hope this helps. PS: I think this is a very useful utility, maybe its worthwhile submitting this for inclusion? I definitely will once it's got some more testing. I also find this *very* useful. Until systemctl starts providing this natively, it's a good thing to have around. Great work, thanks! :-) Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On 11/11/2011 09:27 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: \ systemd replaces numerical runlevels with named targets. Apart from that, it works very similar to how chkconfig works under the hood. chkconfig --level 3 squid off essentially just does rm /etc/rc3.d/squid. chkconfig --level 5 squid on just translates to ln -sf /etc/init.d/squid /etc/rc5.d/. The systemd way is very similar: rm -f /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/squid.service ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/squid.service /etc/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/ systemctl daemon-reload -T.C. Perhaps there is a systemctl option to remove and reset the soft link? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 11/11/2011 09:27 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: \ systemd replaces numerical runlevels with named targets. Apart from that, it works very similar to how chkconfig works under the hood. chkconfig --level 3 squid off essentially just does rm /etc/rc3.d/squid. chkconfig --level 5 squid on just translates to ln -sf /etc/init.d/squid /etc/rc5.d/. The systemd way is very similar: rm -f /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/squid.service ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/squid.service /etc/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/ systemctl daemon-reload -T.C. Perhaps there is a systemctl option to remove and reset the soft link? systemctl disable and systemctl reset, respectively. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:27:34 -0700 T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Fedora User fedora...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing this since RH 7.3. I'm an old fart and I don't do change well. There are 49 SystemD man pages. Each one is more esoteric than the Talmud. Seriously. Chkconfig made perfect sense to me. I just need one example to figure it all out. If I want squid to start in L-5 but not L-3. What do I do? systemd replaces numerical runlevels with named targets. Apart from that, it works very similar to how chkconfig works under the hood. chkconfig --level 3 squid off essentially just does rm /etc/rc3.d/squid. chkconfig --level 5 squid on just translates to ln -sf /etc/init.d/squid /etc/rc5.d/. The systemd way is very similar: rm -f /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/squid.service ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/squid.service /etc/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/ systemctl daemon-reload The graphical target is the equivalent of runlevel 5 in sysvinit, and it starts a display manager, while the multi-user target is the equivalent of runlevel 3, bringing you to a tty. So, the above commands first disables squid in multi-user.target, and the second enables squid in graphical.target. The final command informs systemd of the change. -T.C. Thanks. That gives me enough to sort it out. The system does seem to boot faster but this is really arcane compared to sysV which seemed very straightforward. Could be just old dog - new trick. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:00:13 -0500 Fedora User wrote: The system does seem to boot faster but this is really arcane compared to sysV which seemed very straightforward. Arcane is the word. One big problem is the complete lack of anything like chkconfig --list for systemd services (it would be nice if chkconfig just figured out how to provide the info and included it). I got very confused when I apparently forgot to configure some services when setting up my system, and a contributor to that confusion was the lack of a decent query tool that could tell me the state of both new and old services in one step. (I do like how much faster it boots though, especially during initial setup when I'm often rebooting to check that things work properly or to go back to f15 to compare something). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:10:36 -0500 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:00:13 -0500 Fedora User wrote: The system does seem to boot faster but this is really arcane compared to sysV which seemed very straightforward. Arcane is the word. One big problem is the complete lack of anything like chkconfig --list for systemd services (it would be nice if chkconfig just figured out how to provide the info and included it). Does: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
SystemD - F-16
I've been doing this since RH 7.3. I'm an old fart and I don't do change well. There are 49 SystemD man pages. Each one is more esoteric than the Talmud. Seriously. Chkconfig made perfect sense to me. I just need one example to figure it all out. If I want squid to start in L-5 but not L-3. What do I do? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Fedora User fedora...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing this since RH 7.3. I'm an old fart and I don't do change well. There are 49 SystemD man pages. Each one is more esoteric than the Talmud. Seriously. Chkconfig made perfect sense to me. I just need one example to figure it all out. If I want squid to start in L-5 but not L-3. What do I do? systemd replaces numerical runlevels with named targets. Apart from that, it works very similar to how chkconfig works under the hood. chkconfig --level 3 squid off essentially just does rm /etc/rc3.d/squid. chkconfig --level 5 squid on just translates to ln -sf /etc/init.d/squid /etc/rc5.d/. The systemd way is very similar: rm -f /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/squid.service ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/squid.service /etc/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/ systemctl daemon-reload The graphical target is the equivalent of runlevel 5 in sysvinit, and it starts a display manager, while the multi-user target is the equivalent of runlevel 3, bringing you to a tty. So, the above commands first disables squid in multi-user.target, and the second enables squid in graphical.target. The final command informs systemd of the change. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
