Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-20 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 19 March 2014 19:29, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:

 On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have recently built a fedora 20 system using UEFI. And by and large it
seems to be OK. I took care to allocate enough space on disk to allow for
another system. It's all done on a Lenovo L430 with a 500GB large harddisk.
I intent to use it for testing purposes and the UEFI based system is my
first try of this type of BIOS.

 I was very surprised to see the output from fdisk:

 Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
 Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 Disklabel type: gpt
 Disk identifier: 4547BE5B-EB5B-4756-8225-C346783B73AA

 Device   Start  End   Size Type
 /dev/sda1 2048  1026047   500M Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda2  1026048205826047  97.7G Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda3205826048222111743   7.8G Linux swap
 /dev/sda4222111744508831743 136.7G Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda5508831744509241343   200M EFI System
 /dev/sda6509241344510265343   500M Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda7510265344526551039   7.8G Linux swap
 /dev/sda852655104063140863950G Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda9631408640976773119 164.7G Microsoft basic data

 There doesn't seem to be much space left for yet another system :-(

 Well you have two systems on here it looks like. Two /boot partitions,
two swaps, and four other partitions that are conceivably root and home,
times 2. So maybe mount sda2, sda4, sda8, sda9 and see if you can find an
/etc/fstab. I bet you find two, and it'll tell you, along with blkid, how
these two systems are assembled.





 Doing a df -H yields:

 Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/sda853G  6.8G   44G  14% /
 devtmpfs4.1G 0  4.1G   0% /dev
 tmpfs   4.1G   70k  4.1G   1% /dev/shm
 tmpfs   4.1G  1.2M  4.1G   1% /run
 tmpfs   4.1G 0  4.1G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
 tmpfs   4.1G   41k  4.1G   1% /tmp
 /dev/sda9   174G  1.5G  164G   1% /home
 /dev/sda6   500M   99M  371M  21% /boot
 /dev/sda5   210M   10M  200M   5% /boot/efi

 And here it looks like I have ample space for a second system.

 You have a 2nd system. It's on /dev/sda[1234].


 What should I believe and what does Microsoft do on my system?

 You mean the Microsoft basic data partition type? Yeah, that. So with
GPT partition scheme, the partition type isn't a 1 byte value anymore, it's
16 bytes. There are effectively unlimited partitiontypeGUIDs available, yet
the parted project decided to use the existing Microsoft basic data
partitiontypeGUID. I don't know why but it bends my brain trying to think
of a good reason to have done that, when they did pick unique GUIDs for
Linux swap, Linux (auto)RAID, and Linux LVM. But then used Microsoft basic
data for other which includes rootfs, separate boot, var, LUKS, and home
partitions. Madness.

 Some years ago Rod Smith, creator of gdisk, started setting a unique GUID
for Linux general purpose use. Parted doesn't have an upstream release with
that patch yet. However Fedora rawhide does carry it and will start using
that partitiontypeGUID starting with Fedora 21. Much later than it should
be, but at least it's going to happen, finally.


[...]

 And then recently there's an explosion of partitiontypeGUIDs, most of
which aren't yet in parted, some of which are in gdisk. I'm not sure where
fdisk is at with this as it just recently started supporting gpt partition
scheme.
 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/DiscoverablePartitionsSpec/


I've used fdisk (util-linux-2.24.1) recently to change the GPT partition
type that Anaconda set for / and /home to the correct Linux Filesystem,
it worked without problems; although the fdisk man page doesn't mention
this functionality at all (probably the man page hasn't been updated yet).


 Chris Murphy

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UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Erik P. Olsen
I have recently built a fedora 20 system using UEFI. And by and large it seems 
to be OK. I took care to allocate enough space on disk to allow for another 
system. It's all done on a Lenovo L430 with a 500GB large harddisk. I intent to 
use it for testing purposes and the UEFI based system is my first try of this 
type of BIOS.


I was very surprised to see the output from fdisk:

Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 4547BE5B-EB5B-4756-8225-C346783B73AA

Device   Start  End   Size Type
/dev/sda1 2048  1026047   500M Microsoft basic data
/dev/sda2  1026048205826047  97.7G Microsoft basic data
/dev/sda3205826048222111743   7.8G Linux swap
/dev/sda4222111744508831743 136.7G Microsoft basic data
/dev/sda5508831744509241343   200M EFI System
/dev/sda6509241344510265343   500M Microsoft basic data
/dev/sda7510265344526551039   7.8G Linux swap
/dev/sda852655104063140863950G Microsoft basic data
/dev/sda9631408640976773119 164.7G Microsoft basic data

There doesn't seem to be much space left for yet another system :-(

Doing a df -H yields:

Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda853G  6.8G   44G  14% /
devtmpfs4.1G 0  4.1G   0% /dev
tmpfs   4.1G   70k  4.1G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs   4.1G  1.2M  4.1G   1% /run
tmpfs   4.1G 0  4.1G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs   4.1G   41k  4.1G   1% /tmp
/dev/sda9   174G  1.5G  164G   1% /home
/dev/sda6   500M   99M  371M  21% /boot
/dev/sda5   210M   10M  200M   5% /boot/efi

And here it looks like I have ample space for a second system.

What should I believe and what does Microsoft do on my system?

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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Murphy

On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have recently built a fedora 20 system using UEFI. And by and large it 
 seems to be OK. I took care to allocate enough space on disk to allow for 
 another system. It's all done on a Lenovo L430 with a 500GB large harddisk. I 
 intent to use it for testing purposes and the UEFI based system is my first 
 try of this type of BIOS.
 
 I was very surprised to see the output from fdisk:
 
 Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
 Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 Disklabel type: gpt
 Disk identifier: 4547BE5B-EB5B-4756-8225-C346783B73AA
 
 Device   Start  End   Size Type
 /dev/sda1 2048  1026047   500M Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda2  1026048205826047  97.7G Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda3205826048222111743   7.8G Linux swap
 /dev/sda4222111744508831743 136.7G Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda5508831744509241343   200M EFI System
 /dev/sda6509241344510265343   500M Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda7510265344526551039   7.8G Linux swap
 /dev/sda852655104063140863950G Microsoft basic data
 /dev/sda9631408640976773119 164.7G Microsoft basic data
 
 There doesn't seem to be much space left for yet another system :-(

Well you have two systems on here it looks like. Two /boot partitions, two 
swaps, and four other partitions that are conceivably root and home, times 2. 
So maybe mount sda2, sda4, sda8, sda9 and see if you can find an /etc/fstab. I 
bet you find two, and it'll tell you, along with blkid, how these two systems 
are assembled.




 
 Doing a df -H yields:
 
 Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/sda853G  6.8G   44G  14% /
 devtmpfs4.1G 0  4.1G   0% /dev
 tmpfs   4.1G   70k  4.1G   1% /dev/shm
 tmpfs   4.1G  1.2M  4.1G   1% /run
 tmpfs   4.1G 0  4.1G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
 tmpfs   4.1G   41k  4.1G   1% /tmp
 /dev/sda9   174G  1.5G  164G   1% /home
 /dev/sda6   500M   99M  371M  21% /boot
 /dev/sda5   210M   10M  200M   5% /boot/efi
 
 And here it looks like I have ample space for a second system.

You have a 2nd system. It's on /dev/sda[1234].

 
 What should I believe and what does Microsoft do on my system?

You mean the Microsoft basic data partition type? Yeah, that. So with GPT 
partition scheme, the partition type isn't a 1 byte value anymore, it's 16 
bytes. There are effectively unlimited partitiontypeGUIDs available, yet the 
parted project decided to use the existing Microsoft basic data 
partitiontypeGUID. I don't know why but it bends my brain trying to think of a 
good reason to have done that, when they did pick unique GUIDs for Linux swap, 
Linux (auto)RAID, and Linux LVM. But then used Microsoft basic data for other 
which includes rootfs, separate boot, var, LUKS, and home partitions. Madness.

Some years ago Rod Smith, creator of gdisk, started setting a unique GUID for 
Linux general purpose use. Parted doesn't have an upstream release with that 
patch yet. However Fedora rawhide does carry it and will start using that 
partitiontypeGUID starting with Fedora 21. Much later than it should be, but at 
least it's going to happen, finally.

And then recently there's an explosion of partitiontypeGUIDs, most of which 
aren't yet in parted, some of which are in gdisk. I'm not sure where fdisk is 
at with this as it just recently started supporting gpt partition scheme.
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/DiscoverablePartitionsSpec/


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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Mark Haney
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On 03/19/14 11:35, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

 
 Device   Start  End   Size Type /dev/sda1
 2048  1026047   500M Microsoft basic data /dev/sda2
 1026048205826047  97.7G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda3
 205826048222111743   7.8G Linux swap /dev/sda4222111744
 508831743 136.7G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda5508831744
 509241343   200M EFI System /dev/sda6509241344510265343
 500M Microsoft basic data /dev/sda7510265344526551039
 7.8G Linux swap /dev/sda852655104063140863950G
 Microsoft basic data /dev/sda9631408640976773119 164.7G
 Microsoft basic data

 
 What should I believe and what does Microsoft do on my system?
 

I just took a look at a Lenovo laptop we have here and it's got a
similar setup, although not quite what yours looks like.  Ours has 4
NTFS partitions,

one for the EFI boot stuff (100MB) (looks similar to sda1 or sda5)
C: drive (100GB) (sda2?)
Q: drive (Lenovo_Recovery 20GB) (sda8?)
another partition, maybe empty 8GB

I was mistaken that this one has a 500GB drive, it's only 120GB.  I
think my boss swapped this one out with the one with the bigger drive.

I would love to see what Windows is reporting for all those
partitions.  But I'd almost be willing to bet at least /one/ of those
130+GB partitions is for data so that the system recovery doesn't wipe
that data if you need to factory restore it.


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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Mark Haney
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On 03/19/14 11:35, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
 I have recently built a fedora 20 system using UEFI. And by and
 large it seems to be OK. I took care to allocate enough space on
 disk to allow for another system. It's all done on a Lenovo L430
 with a 500GB large harddisk. I intent to use it for testing
 purposes and the UEFI based system is my first try of this type of
 BIOS.
 
 I was very surprised to see the output from fdisk:
 
 Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors 
 Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size
 (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size
 (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: gpt Disk
 identifier: 4547BE5B-EB5B-4756-8225-C346783B73AA
 
 Device   Start  End   Size Type /dev/sda1
 2048  1026047   500M Microsoft basic data /dev/sda2
 1026048205826047  97.7G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda3
 205826048222111743   7.8G Linux swap /dev/sda4222111744
 508831743 136.7G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda5508831744
 509241343   200M EFI System /dev/sda6509241344510265343
 500M Microsoft basic data /dev/sda7510265344526551039
 7.8G Linux swap /dev/sda852655104063140863950G
 Microsoft basic data /dev/sda9631408640976773119 164.7G
 Microsoft basic data

Typically, these systems come with a restore partition for Windows
(whatever the version).  What I want to know is how many Windows
'drives' are listed when you boot it into Windows.  It /looks/ like
it's got at least 2 'drives', a Windows drive (C:) and possibly a
'data' drive (D:?).  Unless you can tell us what Disk Manager is
saying about the NTFS partitions I'm not sure how much help we can give.

(Unless, of course, you want to blow the whole thing away and start
over, then this is a non-issue.) I don't recall that many NTFS
partitions on the Lenovo systems, but I have one handy and will boot
it to see.  (It's got a 500GB drive, fortunately.)

You can also mount the partitions read only and see what's on them.




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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Murphy

On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Mark Haney mha...@practichem.com wrote:
 
 Typically, these systems come with a restore partition for Windows
 (whatever the version).  What I want to know is how many Windows
 'drives' are listed when you boot it into Windows.

blkid will show label and file system, mounting them and using 'tree -x -L 2 
mountp' will give some idea of what they contain.

 
 (Unless, of course, you want to blow the whole thing away and start
 over, then this is a non-issue.)

It's possible one of the partitions contains the hardware tester. It could be 
on the EFI System partition as a standalone firmware driven utility, or it 
could be on another partition or even integrated into the manufacturer's 
software restore utility. It's worth keeping around somewhere in particular if 
it's not downloadable, which actually is irritatingly common.

Chris Murphy

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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Erik P. Olsen

On 19/03/14 17:02, Mark Haney wrote:

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On 03/19/14 11:35, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

I have recently built a fedora 20 system using UEFI. And by and
large it seems to be OK. I took care to allocate enough space on
disk to allow for another system. It's all done on a Lenovo L430
with a 500GB large harddisk. I intent to use it for testing
purposes and the UEFI based system is my first try of this type of
BIOS.

I was very surprised to see the output from fdisk:

Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size
(logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size
(minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: gpt Disk
identifier: 4547BE5B-EB5B-4756-8225-C346783B73AA

Device   Start  End   Size Type /dev/sda1
2048  1026047   500M Microsoft basic data /dev/sda2
1026048205826047  97.7G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda3
205826048222111743   7.8G Linux swap /dev/sda4222111744
508831743 136.7G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda5508831744
509241343   200M EFI System /dev/sda6509241344510265343
500M Microsoft basic data /dev/sda7510265344526551039
7.8G Linux swap /dev/sda852655104063140863950G
Microsoft basic data /dev/sda9631408640976773119 164.7G
Microsoft basic data


Typically, these systems come with a restore partition for Windows
(whatever the version).  What I want to know is how many Windows
'drives' are listed when you boot it into Windows.  It /looks/ like
it's got at least 2 'drives', a Windows drive (C:) and possibly a
'data' drive (D:?).  Unless you can tell us what Disk Manager is
saying about the NTFS partitions I'm not sure how much help we can give.


There are no windows drives on the disk. First thing I did after getting the PC 
was to format the disk.




(Unless, of course, you want to blow the whole thing away and start
over, then this is a non-issue.) I don't recall that many NTFS
partitions on the Lenovo systems, but I have one handy and will boot
it to see.  (It's got a 500GB drive, fortunately.)

You can also mount the partitions read only and see what's on them.


Will do. It may be left over from previous testing in which case it is linux 
drives. I thought though that anaconda had removed them. I'll have to wait, 
right now it's running a lengthy benchmark.


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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.

On 03/19/2014 07:05 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

On 19/03/14 17:02, Mark Haney wrote:

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On 03/19/14 11:35, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

I have recently built a fedora 20 system using UEFI. And by and
large it seems to be OK. I took care to allocate enough space on
disk to allow for another system. It's all done on a Lenovo L430
with a 500GB large harddisk. I intent to use it for testing
purposes and the UEFI based system is my first try of this type of
BIOS.

I was very surprised to see the output from fdisk:

Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size
(logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size
(minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: gpt Disk
identifier: 4547BE5B-EB5B-4756-8225-C346783B73AA

Device   Start  End   Size Type /dev/sda1
2048  1026047   500M Microsoft basic data /dev/sda2
1026048205826047  97.7G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda3
205826048222111743   7.8G Linux swap /dev/sda4 222111744
508831743 136.7G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda5508831744
509241343   200M EFI System /dev/sda6509241344 510265343
500M Microsoft basic data /dev/sda7510265344526551039
7.8G Linux swap /dev/sda852655104063140863950G
Microsoft basic data /dev/sda9631408640976773119 164.7G
Microsoft basic data


Typically, these systems come with a restore partition for Windows
(whatever the version).  What I want to know is how many Windows
'drives' are listed when you boot it into Windows.  It /looks/ like
it's got at least 2 'drives', a Windows drive (C:) and possibly a
'data' drive (D:?).  Unless you can tell us what Disk Manager is
saying about the NTFS partitions I'm not sure how much help we can give.


There are no windows drives on the disk. First thing I did after 
getting the PC was to format the disk.




(Unless, of course, you want to blow the whole thing away and start
over, then this is a non-issue.) I don't recall that many NTFS
partitions on the Lenovo systems, but I have one handy and will boot
it to see.  (It's got a 500GB drive, fortunately.)

You can also mount the partitions read only and see what's on them.


Will do. It may be left over from previous testing in which case it is 
linux drives. I thought though that anaconda had removed them. I'll 
have to wait, right now it's running a lengthy benchmark.


Would it be considered bad to just blow the drive away and use it with 
an ext4 file format? Or is that just not possible? just wondering if I 
should happen to run across one of these kinds of laptops...



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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread David
On 3/19/2014 7:05 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
 On 19/03/14 17:02, Mark Haney wrote:
 
 There are no windows drives on the disk. First thing I did after getting
 the PC was to format the disk.


Format or fdisk the drive? Format does just that. Cleans sthe
partition(s) Fdisk removes the partition(s).


 Will do. It may be left over from previous testing in which case it is
 linux drives. I thought though that anaconda had removed them. I'll have
 to wait, right now it's running a lengthy benchmark.
 


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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Murphy

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote:

 First thing I did after getting the PC was to format the disk.

With what? How?
 
 Will do. It may be left over from previous testing in which case it is linux 
 drives. I thought though that anaconda had removed them. 

You have to be really explicit with anaconda to get it to remove existing data. 
Through the default/guided/automatic path, it's only possible through the 
Reclaim Space dialog by clicking either Delete All. Or individually clicking on 
partitions and marking them for deletion.

In customize/Manual Partitioning, it's less obvious because usually these other 
partitions appear in a collapsed submenu titled either with the name of the 
prior Fedora version; or Unknown. So you have to open that up and individually 
delete each item (there is a short cut in the resulting dialog to delete all, 
which doesn't always delete everything under Unknown).

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Re: UEFI oddity.

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Murphy

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Would it be considered bad to just blow the drive away and use it with an 
 ext4 file format? Or is that just not possible? just wondering if I should 
 happen to run across one of these kinds of laptops…

Not bad and it is possible. A single partition ext4 install is only possible 
via customized/Manual Partitioning. And in that case right now you also need to 
manually create a ~ 200MB EFI System Partition mounted at /boot/efi.

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