Re: getting rid of yum
On 15. 12. 2014 at 17:23:48, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:46:53 + Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 10:34 -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Because (from what I understood, perhaps incorrectly) yum is going away in favor dnf, I was trying to get used to the latter. Because the former is so ingrained in me, I was trying to get rid of it from the system so that not having it available would force me to think and thus get used to dnf. Or you could alias yum to echo Use DNF My understanding is that the name dnf is just a dummy placeholder, so that --- once its code matures enough and the old yum code gets obsolete --- dnf will simply be renamed to yum, and its major version number increased by a notch. So the name yum isn't going anywhere, AFAIK. Actually it's the exact opposite, dnf is going to continue being the project name, as renaming it would cause nothing but pain. The discussion about the name took place about a year ago on Fedora devel list if you are interested. You can also find some explanation about the name here: http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/03/12/on-the-name/ Thanks Jan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 15. 12. 2014 at 13:03:54, Chris Murphy wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote: Because (from what I understood, perhaps incorrectly) yum is going away in favor dnf, I was trying to get used to the latter. Because the former is so ingrained in me, I was trying to get rid of it from the system so that not having it available would force me to think and thus get used to dnf. So I try: dnf erase yum I suggest being really skeptical of dnf erase suggestions. It can be brutal (don't try dnf erase kernel for example, it'll remove all kernels including the running one). This is not true, the issue was fixed quite some time ago: [root@boson ~]# dnf erase kernel Dependencies resolved. Error: The operation would result in removing the booted kernel: kernel-3.17.4-200.fc20.x86_64. I also suggest being prepared to file a bug in which case you need to use --debugsolver, e.g. dnf --debugsolver upgrade dnf --debugsolver erase blah And then tar the resulting debug folder in the current directory and attach to the bug. It's close to 100% chance you'll be asked for it so you might as well just provide it from the start. This is definitely a good advice. Even though most of these issues are caused by poor packaging of various Fedora rpms, it helps a lot to know what exactly happened. See this page for more information on how to report a bug so it's as helpful and descriptive as possible: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf/wiki/Bug-Reporting Thanks Jan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 15. 12. 2014 at 10:34:30, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Because (from what I understood, perhaps incorrectly) yum is going away in favor dnf, I was trying to get used to the latter. Because the former is so ingrained in me, I was trying to get rid of it from the system so that not having it available would force me to think and thus get used to dnf. So I try: dnf erase yum abrt x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System 1.9 M abrt-addon-ccpp x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21 @System 275 k abrt-addon-kerneloops x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21 @System74 k abrt-addon-pstoreoops x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21 @System14 k abrt-addon-python x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System19 k abrt-addon-python3 x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System14 k abrt-addon-vmcore x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System40 k abrt-addon-xorg x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System17 k abrt-cli x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System 0 abrt-libs x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System51 k abrt-plugin-bodhi x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System20 k abrt-python x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System57 k abrt-python3 x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System53 k abrt-retrace-client x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System 105 k abrt-tui x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21 @System24 k anaconda-core x86_64 21.48.21-1.fc21 @System 7.7 M anaconda-gui x86_64 21.48.21-1.fc21 @System 1.2 M anaconda-tui x86_64 21.48.21-1.fc21 @System 373 k anaconda-yum-plugins noarch 1:1.0-10.fc20 @System21 k createrepo noarch 0.10.3-3.fc21 @System 301 k fedup noarch 0.9.0-2.fc21@System 253 k libreport x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System 1.8 M libreport-anaconda x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System15 k libreport-cli x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System29 k libreport-fedora x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System 40 k libreport-gtk x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System 219 k libreport-plugin-bugzilla x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21 @System 147 k libreport-plugin-kerneloops x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21 @System37 k libreport-plugin-logger x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21 @System35 k libreport-plugin-reportuploader x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System71 k libreport-plugin-ureport x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System55 k libreport-python x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System94 k libreport-python3 x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System41 k libreport-web x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System44 k livecd-tools x86_64 1:21.4-1.fc21 @System 144 k lorax x86_64 21.30-1.fc21@System 440 k python-imgcreate x86_64 1:21.4-1.fc21 @System 282 k python-mehnoarch 0.32-3.fc21 @System 251 k python-meh-guinoarch 0.32-3.fc21 @System24 k yum noarch 3.4.3-153.fc21 @System 5.6 M yum-langpacks noarch 0.4.4-1.fc21@System66 k yum-plugin-fastestmirror noarch 1.1.31-27.fc21 @System53 k yum-plugin-remove-with-leaves noarch 1.1.31-27.fc21 @System 26 k yum-utils noarch 1.1.31-27.fc21 @System 324 k Question: why do stuff like createrepo, fedup, livecd-tools, etc still depend on yum? Should they be made to depend on dnf now, in which case, should there be a bug report on this? We have already filed bugs to all those components that still rely on yum and we hope people will port them soon. See the tracking bug [1] for details. We continuously work on improving the documentation so people have some examples to follow when porting their applications. We are also available on #yum @ FreeNode to answer potential questions. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1156491 As for createrepo, that's a different topic. This project is going to die alongside yum, as it shares some of the code base. At this point we are working on createrepo_c. Written in C, it is ~30% more efficient and almost feature complete when compared to the old createrepo (only deltas are missing at this point but work in underway to change that). Thanks Jan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
Re: getting rid of yum
On 15. 12. 2014 at 22:10:21, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Monday, December 15, 2014 10:34:30 AM Ranjan Maitra wrote: Question: why do stuff like createrepo, fedup, livecd-tools, etc still depend on yum? Should they be made to depend on dnf now, in which case, should there be a bug report on this? Yum isn't going anywhere anytime soon. DNF doesn't support createrepo/local repositories. Folks are going to use yum for at least a few releases even after F22. Well, yes and no. Yum is not going away completely but some powerful features (like the extended dependency model) are coming to rpm which yum will not keep up with and at that point it will pretty much stop working. Thanks Jan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 12/16/14 09:31, Jan Zelený wrote: On 15. 12. 2014 at 13:03:54, Chris Murphy wrote: ... I suggest being really skeptical of dnf erase suggestions. It can be brutal (don't try dnf erase kernel for example, it'll remove all kernels including the running one). This is not true, the issue was fixed quite some time ago: On a system recently updated from f20 to f21: # dnf erase kernel ... Removing: kernel x86_64 3.17.4-301.fc21@System 0 kernel x86_64 3.17.4-302.fc21@System 0 kernel x86_64 3.17.6-300.fc21@System 0 ... # uname -a Linux tux 3.17.6-300.fc21.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 8 22:29:32 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [root@boson ~]# dnf erase kernel Dependencies resolved. Error: The operation would result in removing the booted kernel: How come our systems behave differently? Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se http://www.sm6rpz.se/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
Hi On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: How come our systems behave differently? Make sure you have dnf-plugins-core installed Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 12/16/14 21:34, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: How come our systems behave differently? Make sure you have dnf-plugins-core installed Shouldn't that package be a requirement of dnf, and due to that be installed automatically if dnf is installed? Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se http://www.sm6rpz.se/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 09:39:29PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: How come our systems behave differently? Make sure you have dnf-plugins-core installed Shouldn't that package be a requirement of dnf, and due to that be installed automatically if dnf is installed? There are some situations where it'd be nice to have DNF but the plugin behavior isn't necessary. So a hard dependency isn't ideal. And we don't have the details for soft dependencies all worked out. It does seem like it should have been pulled in for an upgrade, one way or another, though. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 12/16/14 21:53, Matthew Miller wrote: There are some situations where it'd be nice to have DNF but the plugin behavior isn't necessary. So a hard dependency isn't ideal. And we OK. That would mean that there are situations where the 'dnf erase kernel' safeguard doesn't work either. Perhaps it would be better to move this particular safeguard into dnf? Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se http://www.sm6rpz.se/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 12/16/2014 12:58 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: OK. That would mean that there are situations where the 'dnf erase kernel' safeguard doesn't work either. Perhaps it would be better to move this particular safeguard into dnf? I know from experience that yum has that safeguard. (It came in very handy when I moved this box to a PAE kernel because it was easier than a complete reinstallation when I installed a new mobo with 8 GB RAM.) Not having it in dnf would be a regression, so shifting that code from a plugin to the main program would make sense. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
Hi On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 09:39:29PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: How come our systems behave differently? Make sure you have dnf-plugins-core installed Shouldn't that package be a requirement of dnf, and due to that be installed automatically if dnf is installed? There are some situations where it'd be nice to have DNF but the plugin behavior isn't necessary. So a hard dependency isn't ideal. And we don't have the details for soft dependencies all worked out. It does seem like it should have been pulled in for an upgrade, one way or another, though. Upgrades to Fedora 22 should get it. I have added both dnf and the core plugin as default packages to the base group. What I was suggesting is to Lars is to install the plugin manually now and test whether that explains the difference. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 12/16/14 22:16, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Upgrades to Fedora 22 should get it. I have added both dnf and the core plugin as default packages to the base group. Good! What I was suggesting is to Lars is to install the plugin manually now and test whether that explains the difference. Nah, still wants to remove the running kernel... # yum install dnf-plugins-core ... Installing: dnf-plugins-core noarch 0.1.4-1.fc21 updates 68 k Installing for dependencies: pykickstartnoarch 1.99.63-2.fc21 fedora 323 k ... # dnf erase kernel ... Removing: kernel x86_64 3.17.4-301.fc21@System 0 kernel x86_64 3.17.4-302.fc21@System 0 kernel x86_64 3.17.6-300.fc21@System 0 ... # rpm -qa '*dnf*'|sort dnf-0.6.3-2.fc21.noarch dnf-plugins-core-0.1.4-1.fc21.noarch Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se http://www.sm6rpz.se/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 12/16/14 22:23, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
Nah, still wants to remove the running kernel...
Hm, could it be due to 'kernel' missing here?
# ll /etc/{yum,dnf}/protected.d/*
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 4 Dec 9 12:36 /etc/dnf/protected.d/dnf.conf
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 8 Nov 27 15:07 /etc/yum/protected.d/systemd.conf
# cat /etc/{yum,dnf}/protected.d/*
systemd
dnf
#
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Re: getting rid of yum
On 12/16/14 22:32, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: Hm, could it be due to 'kernel' missing here? Apparently not: Moreover, the currently booted kernel package is always protected. (from http://rpm-software-management.github.io/dnf-plugins-core/protected_packages.html) So, still strange that it wants to remove my running kernel... I also noted that dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel is still on http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html :) On the same page it says No --skip-broken. I have used this quite often when a single packages stops other packages from being updated. The example on the dnf vs. yum page, There is no equivalent for yum --skip-broken update foo, as silently skipping foo in this case only amounts to masking an error contradicting the user request. is missing the point of the --skip-broken switch, in my opinion. Or will dnf install all updates except the one that is broken (in my use case)? (I have not tested dnf that much to have experienced this myself) Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se http://www.sm6rpz.se/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On 12/17/14 05:51, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 12/16/14 22:32, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: Hm, could it be due to 'kernel' missing here? Apparently not: Moreover, the currently booted kernel package is always protected. (from http://rpm-software-management.github.io/dnf-plugins-core/protected_packages.html) So, still strange that it wants to remove my running kernel... I also noted that dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel is still on http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html :) On the same page it says No --skip-broken. I have used this quite often when a single packages stops other packages from being updated. The example on the dnf vs. yum page, There is no equivalent for yum --skip-broken update foo, as silently skipping foo in this case only amounts to masking an error contradicting the user request. is missing the point of the --skip-broken switch, in my opinion. Or will dnf install all updates except the one that is broken (in my use case)? (I have not tested dnf that much to have experienced this myself) bugzilla time seems in order? -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
Hi On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 12/16/14 22:32, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: Hm, could it be due to 'kernel' missing here? Apparently not: Moreover, the currently booted kernel package is always protected. (from http://rpm-software-management.github.io/dnf- plugins-core/protected_packages.html) So, still strange that it wants to remove my running kernel... That would be good to file in a bug report. I also noted that dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel is still on http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html Documentation bug Or will dnf install all updates except the one that is broken (in my use case)? (I have not tested dnf that much to have experienced this myself) Correct. dnf works as if you always pass -skip-broken. If you want it to show the breakage for debugging, pass --best Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
getting rid of yum
Because (from what I understood, perhaps incorrectly) yum is going away in favor dnf, I was trying to get used to the latter. Because the former is so ingrained in me, I was trying to get rid of it from the system so that not having it available would force me to think and thus get used to dnf. So I try: dnf erase yum abrt x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System 1.9 M abrt-addon-ccpp x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System 275 k abrt-addon-kerneloops x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System74 k abrt-addon-pstoreoops x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System14 k abrt-addon-python x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System19 k abrt-addon-python3x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System14 k abrt-addon-vmcore x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System40 k abrt-addon-xorg x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System17 k abrt-cli x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System 0 abrt-libs x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System51 k abrt-plugin-bodhi x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System20 k abrt-python x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System57 k abrt-python3 x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System53 k abrt-retrace-client x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System 105 k abrt-tui x86_64 2.3.0-3.fc21@System24 k anaconda-core x86_64 21.48.21-1.fc21 @System 7.7 M anaconda-gui x86_64 21.48.21-1.fc21 @System 1.2 M anaconda-tui x86_64 21.48.21-1.fc21 @System 373 k anaconda-yum-plugins noarch 1:1.0-10.fc20 @System21 k createreponoarch 0.10.3-3.fc21 @System 301 k fedup noarch 0.9.0-2.fc21@System 253 k libreport x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System 1.8 M libreport-anacondax86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System15 k libreport-cli x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System29 k libreport-fedora x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System40 k libreport-gtk x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System 219 k libreport-plugin-bugzilla x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System 147 k libreport-plugin-kerneloops x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System37 k libreport-plugin-logger x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System35 k libreport-plugin-reportuploader x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System71 k libreport-plugin-ureport x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System55 k libreport-python x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System94 k libreport-python3 x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System41 k libreport-web x86_64 2.3.0-5.fc21@System44 k livecd-tools x86_64 1:21.4-1.fc21 @System 144 k lorax x86_64 21.30-1.fc21@System 440 k python-imgcreate x86_64 1:21.4-1.fc21 @System 282 k python-mehnoarch 0.32-3.fc21 @System 251 k python-meh-guinoarch 0.32-3.fc21 @System24 k yum noarch 3.4.3-153.fc21 @System 5.6 M yum-langpacks noarch 0.4.4-1.fc21@System66 k yum-plugin-fastestmirror noarch 1.1.31-27.fc21 @System53 k yum-plugin-remove-with-leaves noarch 1.1.31-27.fc21 @System26 k yum-utils noarch 1.1.31-27.fc21 @System 324 k Question: why do stuff like createrepo, fedup, livecd-tools, etc still depend on yum? Should they be made to depend on dnf now, in which case, should there be a bug report on this? Many thanks and best wishes, Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On Monday, December 15, 2014 10:34:30 AM Ranjan Maitra wrote: Question: why do stuff like createrepo, fedup, livecd-tools, etc still depend on yum? Should they be made to depend on dnf now, in which case, should there be a bug report on this? Yum isn't going anywhere anytime soon. DNF doesn't support createrepo/local repositories. Folks are going to use yum for at least a few releases even after F22. -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 10:34 -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Because (from what I understood, perhaps incorrectly) yum is going away in favor dnf, I was trying to get used to the latter. Because the former is so ingrained in me, I was trying to get rid of it from the system so that not having it available would force me to think and thus get used to dnf. Or you could alias yum to echo Use DNF poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:46:53 + Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 10:34 -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Because (from what I understood, perhaps incorrectly) yum is going away in favor dnf, I was trying to get used to the latter. Because the former is so ingrained in me, I was trying to get rid of it from the system so that not having it available would force me to think and thus get used to dnf. Or you could alias yum to echo Use DNF My understanding is that the name dnf is just a dummy placeholder, so that --- once its code matures enough and the old yum code gets obsolete --- dnf will simply be renamed to yum, and its major version number increased by a notch. So the name yum isn't going anywhere, AFAIK. Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting rid of yum
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote: Because (from what I understood, perhaps incorrectly) yum is going away in favor dnf, I was trying to get used to the latter. Because the former is so ingrained in me, I was trying to get rid of it from the system so that not having it available would force me to think and thus get used to dnf. So I try: dnf erase yum I suggest being really skeptical of dnf erase suggestions. It can be brutal (don't try dnf erase kernel for example, it'll remove all kernels including the running one). I also suggest being prepared to file a bug in which case you need to use --debugsolver, e.g. dnf --debugsolver upgrade dnf --debugsolver erase blah And then tar the resulting debug folder in the current directory and attach to the bug. It's close to 100% chance you'll be asked for it so you might as well just provide it from the start. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
