Re: test message
Well it seems I am still subscribed to the list despite my having sent unsubscribe mail. But anyway I am subscribed at my other email address so I don;t care if this one works or not. Time to change providers I think. I'll try again to unsubscribe here. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: test message
On 6/15/21 11:04 AM, stan via users wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 18:50:40 -0400 Frank McCormick wrote: As far as switching to say Gmail that is something I am definitely considering. I am using my providers main address less and less to try to avoid these problems. I guess the way is to set up a seperate inbox for fedora list mail. I am using imap with Google so that shouldn't be a problem. You could look at vfemail.net. They have a limited free account, but for $15 a year, you can get a silver account that lets you have unlimited addresses of the type [actual-email]-t...@vfemail.net. e.g. say you have fr...@vfemail.net as your main email. Then you could use frank-fed...@vfemail.net as your address for the fedora email lists, etc. I'm not sure how well they fare in the blacklist category, but when I used them (for years) I had no problem. At some point they suffered a DDOS attack, probably demanding ransom, and I lost my addresses. They recovered quickly, but I had already moved to zoho.com. For sure it has the blacklist problem as I have occasionally had emails rejected. I currently have a free account with them for light traffic lists without any issues. Just another option, might or might not work for you. ___ Just to let you know the problem seems to have been resolved somehow as I haven't spoken to my providers "technical support" since Sunday. But the list emails started flowing in this morning. We'll see how long it lasts but right now I am researching other mail providers as you suggested. Thanks ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: test message
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 18:50:40 -0400 Frank McCormick wrote: > As far as switching to say Gmail that is something I am definitely > considering. I am using my providers main address > less and less to try to avoid these problems. I guess the way is to > set up a seperate inbox for fedora list mail. I am using imap with > Google so that shouldn't be a problem. You could look at vfemail.net. They have a limited free account, but for $15 a year, you can get a silver account that lets you have unlimited addresses of the type [actual-email]-t...@vfemail.net. e.g. say you have fr...@vfemail.net as your main email. Then you could use frank-fed...@vfemail.net as your address for the fedora email lists, etc. I'm not sure how well they fare in the blacklist category, but when I used them (for years) I had no problem. At some point they suffered a DDOS attack, probably demanding ransom, and I lost my addresses. They recovered quickly, but I had already moved to zoho.com. For sure it has the blacklist problem as I have occasionally had emails rejected. I currently have a free account with them for light traffic lists without any issues. Just another option, might or might not work for you. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: test message
The problem is still not resolved. I was dealing with the weekend staff at my provider so we'll see if thing are any better with the weekday staff :) The strange thing today is that the list administrator flushed the queue this morning and several messages came in but nothing since then. As far as switching to say Gmail that is something I am definitely considering. I am using my providers main address less and less to try to avoid these problems. I guess the way is to set up a seperate inbox for fedora list mail. I am using imap with Google so that shouldn't be a problem. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: test message
Tim: >> If you use an external one (e.g. gmail, yahoo, or many others), >> you're not subject your provider's whims... George N. White III: > Or the whims of people who spend their time reporting content they > don't like to blocklists. The downside of the external email > providers is that your data gets used for their benefit. I try to > limit use of gmail to email lists, e.g., only content that is widely > available in list archives, etc., but my personal email is with a > community organization that also hosts websites for local > organizations. I agree. I used to have several email addresses, but discovered that you just get more spam that way (to each address). Now my method is like yours. For list mail, I'll use a service that was often a source of spam, such as yahoo, so they can deal with any spam that public list mail attracts (I think this is karma, as well as practical). And my personal mail is handled by a completely separate service. -- uname -rsvp Linux 5.11.21-100.fc32.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri May 14 18:03:50 UTC 2021 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: test message
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 at 02:43, Tim via users wrote: > On Sun, 2021-06-13 at 15:11 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: > > My provider is refusing messages from this list. > > I'm chccking to see if that's still true. > > > > Well, it worked. But might I suggest not using your service provider's > email. > Good advice. Service providers can get blocklisted when a spammer manages to get a (stolen?) account or when they host web sites for organizations that some individuals find objectionable. Many professional organizations and university alumni groups offer free email forwarding. This provides a stable address you can provide to others, while allowing you to quickly switch to a different provider. > If you use an external one (e.g. gmail, yahoo, or many others), you're > not subject your provider's whims. And if, in the future, you don't > like your service provider you're free to leave without having to care > that people won't be able to contact you at your email address any > more. > Or the whims of people who spend their time reporting content they don't like to blocklists. The downside of the external email providers is that your data gets used for their benefit. I try to limit use of gmail to email lists, e.g., only content that is widely available in list archives, etc., but my personal email is with a community organization that also hosts websites for local organizations. People who dislike one of these groups sometimes generate complaints that result in blocklisting, and my outgoing mails to family and friends get blocked. I investigated one instance and found that the blocklist was maintained by a company that Google purchased. So far, gmail has not been blocked, despite being a source of spam (probably sent from stolen accounts). -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: test message
On Sun, 2021-06-13 at 15:11 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: > My provider is refusing messages from this list. > I'm chccking to see if that's still true. > Well, it worked. But might I suggest not using your service provider's email. If you use an external one (e.g. gmail, yahoo, or many others), you're not subject your provider's whims. And if, in the future, you don't like your service provider you're free to leave without having to care that people won't be able to contact you at your email address any more. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.31.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jun 10 13:32:12 UTC 2021 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
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Re: Fedora Infrastructure issue 8824: test message.
(general response) I don't mind the conversation here at all. It's interesting. But the information in this conversation is needed by the people handling the issue in Fedora Infrastructure. That's the important place to post your comments. The issue is here: "https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8824;. My original post in this thread was merely a test. More digging has me nearly convinced that the A-hat characters are not the problem. They were in messages I posted in this list before the upgrade, and those messages did not get lost or blocked. (I will post this observation in the thread also.) Meanwhile, I could sure use help on the problem that I reported in my last post in the "upgrade attempts are failing." thread. That xeyes problem is real; I use xeyes for practical reasons, not merely for fun or cosmetic purposes, and it is new to f31. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Infrastructure issue 8824: test message.
On 2020-04-12 05:52, home user wrote: > Time's up! Typing fingers down! Hand in the test! OK, I'm really, really sorry for all of these "extraneous" messages. But, one more, as I'm getting really confused by T-Bird. I just looked again in my "sent" mail folder at the message I sent at 07:25 my time. I used "view source" of T-Bird. In the "quoted" portion which is taken from your message I see "reach the user's list." followed by the Upper Case A with circumflex. In my reply I see "no instances of" and then an Upper Case A with a tilde. The view in the "view source" does NOT match what is shown in the Main T-Bird. In the main T-bird window there is no extraneous character shown in the quoted portion and what I typed is what is shown. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Infrastructure issue 8824: test message.
On 2020-04-12 05:52, home user wrote: > Time's up! Typing fingers down! Hand in the test! OK, in doing this "experiment" I seem to have found a small "bug" in Thunderbird. I sent my first reply with a  LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX and it would seem to have made it to the list and into HyperKitty. However, when I look at the "sent mail" in Thunderbird that character is actually show as à (LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH TILDE). -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Infrastructure issue 8824: test message.
On 2020-04-12 05:52, home user wrote: And I should have read the first paragraph before saying what I did in the previous message. Wake Up and Have Coffee. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Infrastructure issue 8824: test message.
On 2020-04-12 05:52, home user wrote: > > > I wonder if this will reach the user's list. Are there any occurrences of > upper case 'A' with a "hat" (circumflex) in this message. I did not put any. > But they have been occurring between sentences. They only show up when the > message is viewed with Thunderbird's "View Source" function. FWIW, the message you posted a screen shot of in the Issue Ticket arrived just fine in my "fedora" folder. There are no instances of  which is UTF-8: 0xC3 0x82 UTF-16: 0x00C2 -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Infrastructure issue 8824: test message.
On 4/11/20 2:52 PM, home user wrote: I wonder if this will reach the user's list. Are there any occurrences of upper case 'A' with a "hat" (circumflex) in this message. I did not put any. But they have been occurring between sentences. They only show up when the message is viewed with Thunderbird's "View Source" function. It arrived, no funny characters are visible. View source shows that it was sent as utf-8 encoded as base64. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Fedora Infrastructure issue 8824: test message.
I was asked by one of the people working Fedora Infrastructure issue
#8824 ("posts submitted to Fedora Users List getting lost") to try
sending a 'text only' email and see if that gets dropped. I logged out,
logged in to my root account where the font is set to Free Serif (not a
UKai font!). I made sure root's Thunderbird was set to text only (no
HTMl) for sending messages. I shut down Thunderbird.
I re-launched Thunderbird. This is the test message. To ensure a good
test, it's a few paragraphs long with a few sentences in each paragraph.
I wonder if this will reach the user's list. Are there any occurrences
of upper case 'A' with a "hat" (circumflex) in this message. I did not
put any. But they have been occurring between sentences. They only
show up when the message is viewed with Thunderbird's "View Source"
function.
Time's up! Typing fingers down! Hand in the test!
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Are my emails getting posted? Respond to jamieb...@gmail.com, if I don't get a response within a few minutes of sending this my guess is my message has not gone through. -- Jamie Bohr -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: test message ...
On 6/6/11 6:53 PM, Jamie Bohr wrote: Are my emails getting posted? Respond to jamieb...@gmail.com mailto:jamieb...@gmail.com, if I don't get a response within a few minutes of sending this my guess is my message has not gone through. Yes, you are hitting the list. BTW, these types of messages are discouraged... James McKenzie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: test message ...
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 19:09 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/6/11 6:53 PM, Jamie Bohr wrote: Are my emails getting posted? Respond to jamieb...@gmail.com mailto:jamieb...@gmail.com, if I don't get a response within a few minutes of sending this my guess is my message has not gone through. Yes, you are hitting the list. BTW, these types of messages are discouraged... James McKenzie It's unnecessary to send test messages to see if the list is getting them. Just look at the archives: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/ poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
