Re: What is this gibberish?
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 07:31:03AM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > Running scriptlet: firefox-58.0.1-1.fc27.x86_64 > 18/18 > Running scriptlet: firefox-58.0-4.fc27.x86_64 > 18/18 > Running as unit: run-r1880116b569f49288e6d0da0c5832367.service > Running as unit: run-r329e01978cfe43258a05456898834edb.service > Verifying: GraphicsMagick-1.3.28-1.fc27.x86_64 > 1/18 > Verifying: GraphicsMagick-c++-1.3.28-1.fc27.x86_64 > 2/18 > ... > Running as unit? Huh? I don't know what exactly is going on, or why the unit has such a strange name, but a "unit" is systemd-ese to describe all of the various individual things it can work with -- services, devices, mount points, sockets, etc. See `man systemd.unit`. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: "canonical" link to info about a fedora package?
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 04:35:47AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > is there a generic link i can use for a given fedora package that > will keep up with new versions and just allows students to zip over > there, read up on the package, and decide whether they want to install > it to play with it further? thanks muchly. I actually have *two* better possibilities for you. First, with an end-user focus, there's Fedora Packages Search: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/ which will take you to, for example, https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/git-extras and from there, you can find links to builds in koji, updates in bodhi, lists of open bugs, and more. Or, if you're looking more from a technical perspective and want to find the source package, and perhaps suggest some changes via a pull request, try Fedora Package Sources: https://src.fedoraproject.org/ and see for example: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/git-extras (Which *also* has links back and forth to the other things.) -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: "canonical" link to info about a fedora package?
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 07:38:27AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/ > ... snip ... > ah, yes, that's what i'm talking about, thanks. It's a lot less discoverable than it should be. I added a link on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where to report dependency problems.
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 02:19:59PM +0100, Dirk Gottschalk wrote: > Meanwhile I downloaded the source RPM and take a look, if I can fix the > problem. If you have a fix, rather than filing a bug, consider submitting a pull request to https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/system-config-kickstart -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where to report dependency problems.
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 06:37:14PM +0100, Dirk Gottschalk wrote: > > If you have a fix, rather than filing a bug, consider submitting a > > pull request to > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/system-config-kickstart > That was my intention. But fedpkg seems to ignore the ssh-agent. But I > always get a "permission denied" error, while trying to clone. Even > with my public ssh key added in my profile. If you make a fork in the web ui (see the "Fork" button in the top right), can you clone from that fork? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: To replace fc27 Gnome with KDE spin?
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:42:15PM -, Anne Wilson wrote: > I've never met this "hold Fn key on any of the other machines I've had. It's increasingly common as laptop touchpads grow and keyboard correspondingly shrink. There's no room for a dedicated row of volume, screen brightness, airplane mode, etc. keys, and so those got combined into the F-key row. And since most people in Windows or Mac never use those keys (maybe F1 for help, occasionally), it makes sense to flip the default sense. If you prefer it the other way, some systems allow you to flip them in the firmware setup. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: R as on Ubuntu and Fedora
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 06:28:57PM -0500, Max Pyziur wrote: > Greetings, > I've been learning R on both Fedora and Ubuntu. > I've noticed that Ubuntu has considerably greater support for R than > Fedora (more R deb packages than R rpm packages). > Is there a rationale for this? I'm not sure about R in specific, but generally the rationale is "no one did it". Are there particular packages that you're interested in? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: livecd-creator -
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 06:51:10PM -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote: > How do I make a "livecd" from a fedora 27 iso? It used to be done > with an application listed in the menu. Do you literally want a CD, or do you want USB media? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 27 + Gnome 3.26.2: How to add a BRIDGE on VLAN interface with Gnome Network Control Panel ...
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 06:35:40PM +0100, Dario Lesca wrote: > Il giorno mar, 27/02/2018 alle 08.39 -0800, Samuel Sieb ha scritto: > > You can't. It doesn't support management of either vlans or bridges. > Then? > I must fill a bugs on Fedora or Gnome? I think in this case, you would just use the NetworkManager tools. Think of them as "advanced configuration". -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:00:14PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Is there any other justification for it? And why do messages to this > list no longer include a URL pointing at the archives (probably not > specifically a HK problem but still). They do -- it's just in the header. For example: Archived-At: <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JIHWMMZ3YTPMQSXRZPZSAQ7ESKMVLJT5/> This is one of the nice things about the new setup, for what it's worth. The old archiver did not have persistent links to individual messages. (If we had to remove one from the archive for privacy law or other legal reasons, _all newer messages that month_ shifted in number, making any links to them wrong.) This link is persistent and generated when the mail is sent. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 04:21:43PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > talking about a link to the individual message, which IIRC we never had > in the old version either. I mean a static pointer to the Archives page > or more usefully to the general list information page, which is what > one would expect to see labelled as "users mailing list" rather than > the mailto: link which is actually there. Putting that in the standard list message footer seems reasonable. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!
On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 02:46:12PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Putting that in the standard list message footer seems reasonable. > If you can influence that, thanks. I'll see what I can do. I can't see anything in the mailing list config interface off hand. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!
On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 05:23:44PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > If you can influence that, thanks. > > I'll see what I can do. I can't see anything in the mailing list config > > interface off hand. > If it's Mailman the change is quite simple. It is in mailman 2, but I'm not seeing an option in the Postorius config interface. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is there a way to get something into a Fedora How To list?
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 12:54:54PM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote: > https://kbpdfstudio.qoppa.com/how-to-set-up-your-scanner-to-work-with-sane-and-pdf-studio-under-fedora-27-linuxs-systemd/ > > I inquired over on the sane mailing list as to getting it into > their how to's but they ignored me. Is there a place for it > in some Fedora how to list? It is specific to Fedora anyway. Yes, absolutely! Check out https://docs.fedoraproject.org/quick-docs/en-US/index.html and the source repository at https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs. We're working on building this up (including adding search and some other infrastructure essentials). Familiarity with asciidoc will help a lot (create the document, make a pull request!) but otherwise you could file a ticket at https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs and someone with asciidoc knowledge can help with the conversion. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: upgrade to 28 beta question?
On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 01:22:39PM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote: > This worked under 27. Anything different under 28? > FC 27 -->> FC 28: > # rpm --rebuilddb > # rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest These steps shouldn't _generally_ be necessary. > # dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh Depending on what repos you have installed, sure. > # dnf install python3-dnf-plugin-system-upgrade (Probably already there?) > # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=28 --allowerasing If you've done complicated things, you might also want `--best`. On the other hand, if you _haven't_, you probably don't need `--allowerasing` either. > # dnf clean packages <-- optional > # dnf system-upgrade reboot Yep. And you might want to clear /var/cache/dnf after. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: HW and SW threats: how to block?
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:03:18PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > I've never understood the underlying concept of bitcoin/xmr/whatever > mining. Currency (money) is usually tied, ultimately, to some physical > thing. This just seems nebulous. Are they using our systems to come up > with better cryptography? I just don't get it. The basic idea of cryptocurrency is that instead of "some physical thing", they are tied to a different limited resource: compute time. Hence, the "mining". -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Power settings wrong or battery dying?
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 03:10:53PM -0400, Fred Smith wrote: > There should be a battery-monitor applet somewhere. I am not running > Gnome, so I don't know where it hides the battery applet, but on > Mate its right there on the upper toolbar. In my case I can right- Actually, the battery applet in GNOME doesn't show detailed information. However, there is GNOME Power Statistics -- install it from Software, of course -- which both shows detailed information and can track usage and provide deeper info. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sudo but no su -
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 01:03:58PM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and > created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I > haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to > keep a work space for root and I was unable to do that, could not do > dnf upgrade or groupinstall xfce unless I used sudo. Is that a > virt-manager feature or is it going to be normal for Fedora 28? That's the default for Workstation now, yeah. It's easy to set a root password if you prefer. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Smooth upgrade -- Thank you
On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 07:42:42AM -0500, SternData wrote: > It just gets better and better. The only little tweak I had from FC27 to > FC28 was finding gnome-tweak-tool got renamed to gnome-tweaks. > > Thanks to everyone on the Fedora team for making this upgrade such a > non-event. > > It just works! :-) Thanks! -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mouse pointer moves but does not click
On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 03:28:46PM +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > My mouse moves but does not click. > I have a file open and unsaved on VirtualBox. How can I proceed in > order to avoid the lost of the changes I did on the mentioned open > file? > The keyboard is working and I am using Fedora 28. I'm not a VirtualBox user and am not sure how much I can help, but... a couple of questions: * Was the mouse working and it suddenly stopped? * What application is your file open in? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mouse pointer moves but does not click
On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 03:28:09PM +, birger monsen wrote: > Ctrl-s is pretty universal to save in both windows and linux apps. Alt-F for the File menu, too. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: WTF is this nonsense from bash -x ?
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15:08AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > In fedora 28, I'm now getting 93 lines of absolute gibberish > showing up before the first command which looks like this > nonsense: So, this is pretty clearly not "gibberish" or "nonsense" -- it's obviously shell statements setting, unsetting, and exporting variables. > + export MODULES_RUN_QUARANTINE=LD_LIBRARY_PATH > + MODULES_RUN_QUARANTINE=LD_LIBRARY_PATH ... and it looks to be part of the Environment Modules package (not to be confused with Modularity in Fedora -- naming things is hard). > What the heck is this nonsense? Probably you have installed, and perhaps enabled, the environment-modules package. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: WTF is this nonsense from bash -x ?
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:43:59AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > Not me, anaconda did it :-). I've now erased it and > things are back to normal. Thanks. (I read the description > of this in rpm -i, and I still have no idea what it is > good for). It is very commonly used in high performance computing and other academic/research environments in combination with software installed in a shared NFS tree (or AFS, although probably not so much anymore). I'm not sure what exactly pulled it in for you -- possibly a new soft dependency of some package you have installed. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: gimp-2.10
On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 04:28:14PM +0200, François Patte wrote: > I have seen that in fedora 28, 2.8 version of gimp is still provided > Is there any chance to have the 2.10 version before f29 release? Yes. 2.10 is actually also offered, as a module. However, modules don't quite work right with packagekit -- work is in progress. In a few weeks, you should be able to enable modularity and install it. Or, you can do so _right now_ -- just make sure to avoid using PackageKit or packagekit-powered tools like GNOME Softwarwe. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/HSS2E3ALA2CUMGMNMSVFSZD6OXL6ZJM3/
Re: Display cmd within shell
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 08:40:59AM -0400, bruce wrote: > Running a centos/fed box, and trying to craft a simple shell test to > run a bunch of commands where the command is displayed as well as the > output > > Ie. The following cmd might return 10 (the num of the files if the cmd > is run from the cmdline. > > ls -al /cloud_nfs_parse/austincc*__parse.dat | wc -l > 10 Can you clarify what exactly you would like the output to be? Is there any reason to not just duplicate the line with "echo" in front of it? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/3ODYWOAJDP2NPIO2Z7QIPZVMJPFMR7WI/
Re: >60gb of reserved memory??
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 07:05:16PM +0300, Susi Lehtola wrote: > I just noticed a very weird problem on my workstation. Although the > machine has 64 GB of RAM installed, > $ head -n 1 /proc/meminfo > MemTotal:2400748 kB > that is, only a few gigabytes are actually available. > Unfortunately I don't have physical access to the machine, which is > a HP desktop bought last fall. According to dmesg, the model is > something like Is there anything about memory in /proc/cmdline? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2FBLLOBJIT6G3THMODNLWAJFOR6SNUWP/
Re: >60gb of reserved memory??
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 02:41:32PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > You didn't install a 32 bit version of fedora did you? > With no more PAE kernels being provided the only way to > get to big memory is with a 64 bit kernel. From the original post, looks like 64 bit: "I am running an up-to-date Fedora 27 x86_64 with kernel 4.16.15-200.fc27.x86_64" -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/5ZTPWXIVISNLWSTFY43UMEBPRHIAM6CA/
Re: sed and grep stopped working!
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 08:34:12AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > Todd Chester wrote: > > And now that you all write me back, they mysteriously started > > working again. AAHH! > This is the sort of thing that always makes me want to > run memtest for a few hours to see if memory corruption > is happening (in, for instance, the in memory copies of > pages from shared libs the tools might have been using). Or look for signs of malware / intruders. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/4Q4TLDWH66NAOXAJ7BYCZB3ZUZ6THSRP/
Re: fedora cloud AWS randomly shutdown
You're not using spot pricing, are you? On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 03:32:49PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > I'm using f28 cloud on AWS as a compute farm. It seems that instances > randomly shutdown within hours of starting. An example log: > > ... > Fedora 28 (Cloud Edition) > Kernel 4.16.3-301.fc28.x86_64 on an x86_64 (ttyS0) > > Stopping Restore /run/initramfs on shutdown... > [[0;32m OK [0m] Removed slice system-sshd\x2dkeygen.slice. > Stopping User Manager for UID 1000... > ... > > In this case after about 4 hours it seems to have spontaneously shutdown. > This happens with high probability - maybe 2/10 instances I start > spontaneously shutdown. > > Any ideas what's going on? I'm just wondering if this is something specific > to fedora cloud edition, because it doesn't seem to be a common complaint on > AWS (most of which is ubuntu). > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 09:20:59AM -, Federico Bruni wrote: > As pointed out by others, another active and modern forum exists already: > https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/questions/ Note that while there is no active proposal to switch this mailing list to Discourse, there *is* exactly that for Ask Fedora. The AskBot software is not really actively developed (and has no community around development). -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:46:20PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > >Note that while there is no active proposal to switch this mailing list to > >Discourse, there*is* exactly that for Ask Fedora. The AskBot software is > >not really actively developed (and has no community around development). > I use that forum daily, and find it good enough at what it does. > There are some minor tweaks I'd like to see, such as telling new > users that their question/answer/comment is waiting for moderation, Right, minor tweaks like that are very unlikely, and bug fixes are too. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 06:56:09PM -0700, stan wrote: > Silverblue is the new name, only recently changed, for atomic host, > Fedora's containerized OS. My understanding is that this is mostly for > cloud usage. It sounds neat, but is still in early days, though there Silverblue is the name for using some of our designed-for-cloud-usage technologies for a desktop operating system. You can read more about it here: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/ -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
USB wireless that works-out-of-box?
Hi. Can anyone recommend a USB wireless card which works out-of-the-box with Fedora? I installed Fedora on my dad's laptop, very successfully, but the system has some hardware issues with the built-in wireless (it was problematic in Windows too). So he wants to just get an add-on. Unfortunately, this seems to be a compatibility minefield -- can anyone suggest something that will just work for him? (No ndiswrapper, please!) Thanks! -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Computing & Information Technology Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Anaconda is insisting on installing TigerVNC-Server for dependencies
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 09:46:41PM -0400, Claude Jones wrote: > I removed tigervnc-server the other day to install RealVNC > enterprise. I noticed while removing tigervnc that it also > uninstalled Anaconda which seemed very strange. I just tried to > reinstall Anaconda and it wants to reinstall Tigervnc-server for > dependencies, but, if I try to do that, it conflicts with RealVNC > server - anyone else seeing this? Why do you want anaconda installed? -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.
On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 12:04:41PM +, JB wrote: > - a new Linux micro kernel > It will address a different architecture of kernel, system, and user spaces. > There is a lot of know-how, theoretical and empirical research, and > experience in this area available. > The Linux community (professional and amateur) went thru trenches and is > experienced as well. >From <http://lwn.net/Articles/403022/> (free content in a few weeks): At this point, a member of the audience asked about microkernel architectures. Linus responded that this question has long since been answered by reality: microkernels don't work. That architecture was seen as an easy way to compartmentalize problems; Linus, too, originally thought that it was a better way to go. But a monolithic kernel was easier to implement back at the beginning, so that's what he did. Since then, the flaw in microkernel architectures has become clear: the various pieces have to communicate, and getting the communication right is a very hard problem. A better way, he says, is to put everything you really need into a single kernel, but to push everything possible into user space. -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Liberation or Corefonts?
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:47:34PM -0400, Alex wrote: > I'm trying to find some better fonts for my monitor/video card > combination. Are the liberation fonts the same as the corefonts, found > at http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/? It seems it is geared towards an No. The Liberation fonts are free software fonts which happen to be drop-in replacements for certain Microsoft fonts. The Microsoft fonts you can get via the "corefonts" package are free-to-download-from-Microsoft, but are not free as in speech (or even completely free as in beer). -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: fedora 14, systemd question
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:37:31AM -0400, Tom H wrote: > > systemd-initctl.socket loaded maintenance > > Ok, so now what? Is there a tutorial on clearing or fixing a > > maintenance service? > "systemctl status " might give you more info about the reason > for "maintenance". "failed" in newer versions of systemd, by the way. And since the kinks are still getting ironed out, an update is highly recommended. (Should be in the Fedora 14 test updates.) -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: rm and old rpms
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 09:15:32PM -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > I don't know what the end goal is, but you may have better luck using > repomanage to prune old packages, yet keep the last N versions. If [...] > new shell process for each file. But for this particular usage, if I > wasn't using repomanage (or another rpm specific tool), I'd use > tmpwatch rather than roll my own solution with find. +1 to both suggestions. -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: kernel update breaks virtualbox
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 01:47:51PM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: > You state the obvious. Virtualbox is produced by Oracle. > However, a kernel update should not necessarily break its functionality. > This update did with obvious results. That'd be a reasonable expectation for user-space level functionality, but this is a kernel module. -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Blacklisting Nouveau
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:14:25PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > No 3D hardware support, your software won't work. It doesn't matter > > what you do or how often you install the software or attempt to edit > > config files, will it work. It requires 3D support. It should or could > > be a requirement before YUM installs the application. > This isn't a good idea as the hardware the image is running on may change. > Think particularly of live images. 3d packages are supposed to check for So, Bruno's totally right, but Robin, this wouldn't be terribly hard to implement as a yum plugin (checking for a gl dependency). -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Computing & Information Technology Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 10:50:39PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > He states that his journal says "Dec 30 04:36:05 > rsnapshot[8265]: /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily: ERROR: /usr/bin/rsnapshot > daily: completed, but with some errors" but where to find that > error? In F19 these errors would have been forwarded to the mail > spool via /etc/aliases. Now it is lost. rsnapshot should be patched to log those. In the meantime, though, the package could have a dpenedency on an MTA. -- Matthew Miller -- Fedora Project Architect -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 install - can I revert to the old installer?
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 12:49:46PM -0700, CS DBA wrote: > Is there a way to install Fedora 20 and force it to use the old > installer, which gave me more control per installing multiple GUI's, > etc? No -- Fedora installers are tightly linked to the version being installed. I suggest one of two things: 1. For a single system, do a minimal install and build up your system after using yum or yumex. 2. For multiple systems, write a kickstart file, which gives you even more control. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: avoiding renaming of the wlan0 device
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 09:54:28PM +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote: > I saw here: > https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2013-January/024231.html > this suggestion: > mask the rule: ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules > But I do not have /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules. This is still correct. Creating the symlink to /dev/null under /etc/udev "masks out" the default rule found in /usr/lib/udev. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 01:45:34PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > Restricting the context to just Fedora, by default it is a desktop OS with > a GUI. That's the default install from live desktop, DVD ISO, and netinst > media. That is the primary Fedora deliverable and experience. It is simply Well, let's go out one step form Fedora desktop though, to the Fedora cloud and Fedora server targets. In cloud deployments, email notifications are a definite non-starter, because no one is going to ever log into individual machines to check, and outgoing mail from cloud networks is likely to just be dropped. On servers, an MTA is often appropriate, but traditional servers are built to fit their niche and their specific needs. There, you have a kickstart file or hopefully at least a hand-built checklist for deployment, and "install MTA and configure for the relay environment used on my network" should be on the list. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: FYI: Centos joins RedHat
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 03:26:03PM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: > From the CENTOS user mailing list > With great excitement I'd like to announce that we are joining the Red > Hat family. The CentOS Project ( http://www.centos.org ) is joining > forces with Red Hat. Working as part of the Open Source and Standards > team ( http://community.redhat.com/ ) to foster rapid innovation > beyond the platform into the next generation of emerging technologies. Our own Fedora Project Leader Robyn Bergeron has a blog post on this, with some commentary on how Fedora fits in: http://wordshack.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/centos-welcome/ -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: FYI: Centos joins RedHat
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 05:47:08PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: > > Our own Fedora Project Leader Robyn Bergeron has a blog post on this, with > > some commentary on how Fedora fits in: > > http://wordshack.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/centos-welcome/ > I wonder how / if this is going to affect us. Well, Robyn touches on some of that. I think overall the answer is "as much as we want it to". -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Policies
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 05:05:34PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: > Is there a policy in these groups regarding including outsiders in a > conversation by merely adding the person's address to the email? We - he > and I -installed Fedora on his machine, and he is eager to come aboard, but > he has yet to join an email group. It's not forbidden, but it's a bad idea for two reasons: 1. The mailing list software won't forward the other address through, so only _your_ messages will go to them. 2. If they do reply to your message, it won't go to the list anyway. I'd suggest helping your friend subscribe to the group. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: basic question - running modified kickstart file??
On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 10:02:31AM -0500, bruce wrote: > Assume I create the initial dvd for fed. I go through the process to > do a simple desktop install. > > From the install, I get a kickstart file (ks.cfg). if I want to make > some mods to the kickstart file, and then rerun the install, how do I > do this, and use the modified kickstart that I now have? You just need to give that kickstart file to anaconda. Have you see the documentation at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Installation_Guide/ch-kickstart2.html ? -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SOLVED SSHD ??
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 12:24:55PM -0500, Jim wrote: > >I've not seen where you've posted or indicated that you changed the "Port" > >parameter in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. > I went into /etc/ssh/sshd_config. and changed the port from 35881 to > and restarted sshd , what puzzels me is how the setiing of port 35881 got > in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Either you put it there or someone else did. The default, of course, is 22. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the point of filing bugs against Fedora?
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:54:58AM -0800, pgaltieri . wrote: > github account just so I could post asking for an update. The general > issue is there is an inconsistency with how Fedora bugs are dealt with. > Some bugs are triaged and re-assigned to the appropriate component if > necessary. Some are redirected upstream where they sit for weeks without > being addressed, and others are not addressed at all. This is an inevitable artifact of being a community-based project with no strong ability to mandate that anyone do anything. It would be awesome if everyone could be super-responsive with all of their bugs, and knowledgeable about all of the code in the programs they package, and so on, but people have different levels of involvement, commitment, other priorities, and so on. The best way to make this better is to pitch in where you can and set an example. > If it's preferred that bugs against products are reported upstream is there > a document that maps Fedora components to upstream sites? Well, sort of. Each package has a URL as part of its metadata, and you can see that in the Fedora Package Database. For example, here: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/calc But there's no general indication of whether bugs should be filed in a different bugzilla -- nor, really, is there overall project agreement that that's best practice. Adding something like that on a per-package basis to the pkgdb is an interesting thought. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Anyone upgraded from F19 to F20 with yum?
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 06:23:35PM -0600, Ian Pilcher wrote: > On 01/14/2014 04:56 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > As a matter of interest, what is the advantage of doing this > > rather than using fedup? > > In my case, I still use GRUB legacy as my bootloader. AFAIK, fedup > doesn't work with this setup. It should. I used it on my system which uses extlinux, and it just worked. (This is becsuse Fedora uses a tool called "grubby" to abstract out updating bootloader config, and as long as grub legacy support doesn't require any big changes I expect it will keep working.) -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum-cron koji pkg info F20 ?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 01:53:53PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: > Uncertain where to report this. > Doesn't seem to do F20? > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=4911 I'm not sure I'm understanding your question here. For a while now, yum-cron is back in the main yum source tree, so you can find builds under http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=21 for example http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=491154 -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd boot-up another daft question
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 05:23:12PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: > At the time after this test it just hung there, > with the [faileds] just out of screen-shot. > the bottom most entry on the screen was > cannot find rescue.target Sorry, coming to this late, but did you try booting with systemd.log_level=debug ? -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - difference between i386 and x86_64 distros
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:27:34AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: > Having run i386 since I began using Linux in 1998 and recently switched > over to x86_64 at the end of 2012 / the middle of 2013, I used to say that > Linux was a tank, that "you can do back-flips in Linux; you could drop a > bomb on it and it would keep running". i386 will not crash - it is > extremely unlikely event. The likelihood of an i386 machine crashing is > maybe 0.25 percent, in my unscientific opinion. I think any stability/instability difference is mostly attributable to something other than 32 vs. 64-bit. There may be some of it, but I don't think it's the major factor. In fact, as 64-bit has rapidly become more dominant, it's likely that it recieves more testing. > Since my switch-over I can't really say that I've gained anything. I don't > think that I can put the demands on the machine as I used to. The reason I > switched is to contribute more to this group. This I would lose if I went > back to i386. Other than that, I can't say that there is anything to lose. Some amout of greater performance, since the x86_64 architecture has improvements beyond just more bits. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: spectrum
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 05:58:26PM +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Trying to install spectrum on fedora 20 I get: > Error: Package: spectrum-1.4.8-11.fc20.i686 (fedora) > Requires: libgloox.so.8 > Available: 1:gloox-1.0.3-1.fc20.i686 (fedora) > libgloox.so.8 > Installed: 1:gloox-1.0.9-1.fc20.i686 (@updates) > ~libgloox.so.11 > You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem I just saw this on Ask Fedora for another program using gloox -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055806 > It looks like that spectrum requires libgloox.so.8 while fedora 20 > offers only libgloox.so.11 with gloox-1.0.9-1.fc20 > This glitch happens with the new release of gloox! Yep. And here's the bug for Spectrum to be rebuilt: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055807 -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 Installation Problem
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 11:13:55AM +, L.G. wrote: > Today I have tried to install Fedora 20 on my Sony SVE1512Y1ESI notebook. > First of all I have loaded a .ISO image on my USB pen drive, using very > useful UltraISO program. At this point I have restarted my PC and, after > appropriate configurations, I have run the Fedora installation which, > unfortunately, has hung after just a minute. What do you suggest I should > do? What is on the screen when it hangs? -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 Installation Problem
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:27:20AM +, L.G. wrote: > [ 196.644920] dracut-initqueue[590]: Warning: /dev/root does not exist > Starting Dracut Emergency Shell... > Warning: /dev/root does not exist [...] > > First of all I have loaded a .ISO image on my USB pen drive, using very > > useful UltraISO program. At this point I have restarted my PC and, after ^^ Ahha! Take a look at https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/02/04/more-on-booting-a-practical-fedora-uefi-guide-and-dont-use-universal-usb-stick-writers/ I think maybe UltraISO is not as useful as it appears, unfortunately. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org <http://mattdm.org/> -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Best practices for SSD
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:43:40AM -0500, Wade Hampton wrote: > Some of the recommendations I have found: I know about some of these and not others without research, so I'll just answer those parts. > - use native partitions, not LVM (for TRIM) TRIM should work on LVM now. > - mount using relatime (or noatime for CentOS 5) This is the default. > - move /tmp to RAM: /etc/fstab >tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 This is the default. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why would using "sftp" require disabling "vsftpd"?
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 05:38:35PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > "For SSH to be truly effective, using insecure connection protocols > should be prohibited. Otherwise, a user's password may be protected > using SSH for one session, only to be captured later while logging in > using Telnet. Some services to disable include telnet, rsh, rlogin, > and vsftpd." > > never having used sftp before, i'm confused ... isn't sftp simply a > secure ftp client? and if so, why would one want to disable vsftpd? i > would still need an ftp server, would i not? can someone clarify what > that passage is saying? thanks. sftp is actually a completely different protocol -- it does file transfer over an ssh channel established on the ssh port. This encrypts any passwords in transit, or can be used with ssh keys so passwords are not ever used. By contrast, despite having the substring sftp in its name, vsftpd is a standard FTP server and by default transmits any passwords in plain text. Although to add some complication, vsftpd supports SSL, which is a relatively recent extension to the FTP protocol and may not work with all traditional ftp clients. If you are using passwords with sftp or with vsftpd over ssl, your security exposure will be roughly the same. Or, if you are using vsftpd simply to provide anonymous FTP and no one is logging in with passwords, the two can simply coexist in different roles. The documentation means to warn you that vsftpd in its non-SSL configuration (which is the default, I'm pretty sure), any passwords or other sensitive information transferred will go in plain text on the wire (or through the air with wireless, of course). -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why would using "sftp" require disabling "vsftpd"?
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:30:26AM +0100, poma wrote: > Thanks for asking! > Actually with that phrase I stress somewhat of a misnomer for the > program - "sftp". > Some kind of comparison would be, if something like a web browser gets > the name as "http". Sure: telnet and telnetd rlogin and rlogind ssh and sshd ftp and ftpd Which actually makes me surprised there wasn't a `http` client sooner. Not surprisingly, there actually _is_ one in Fedora -- try `yum install /usr/bin/http`. And it actually looks kind of nice. It's got colors. :) -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Development question
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 02:54:54PM -0700, CS DBA wrote: > It seems to me that the "marriage" that Microsoft & Apple enjoy per > hardware designed for their software gives them a huge advantage. I > see that the Linux community is quite good at coming up with > drivers, software, etc for hardware after the fact. > I wonder, what could be accomplished if a Linux based distro had the > same advantage? I'm in the early stages of researching just such a > company. Well, they also have the advantage of _scale_. This means that they can convince the people making the components to do things their way. But Linux is big and important enough now that we generally get the same kind of benefit from core components (e.g. CPUs), even if not from all peripherals. What kind of benefits are you expecting? > Thoughts? It'd be interesting to see an ARM laptop designed for open, general Linux rather than ChromeOS. But, overall, I think this is a difficult and low-margin business to break into. And there actually _are_ a few small companies trying to do this already, so you wouldn't be first to the party. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NTP slowing down system shutdown, how to disable?
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:01:20PM -0700, Eric Smith wrote: > I'm using a Dell T3500 running Fedora 20 x86_64. It's on a private network > not connected to the Internet, and with no NTP server. When I shut down the > machine, it pauses for more than a minute at > A stop job is running for NTP client/server. > I don't think I enabled NTP when I installed it, but I've done > systemctl disable ntpd.service > and the same for ntpdate and sntp, but it still pauses for that stop job. > Why is it doing that, and what can I do to make it skip that? I'm having a > hard time learning the ins and outs of systemd. One of the first things to learn is that "disable" doesn't mean "disable". "mask" means "disable". (Something that's merely the former can be started by other things.) So, you could try 'systemctl mask ntpd.service". You may want to try chrony instead, by the way. Not to be confused with cronie -- *sigh*. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd security?
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 08:11:43PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > So, does this mean people will soon (if not already) > be writing malicious web pages that use d-bus > and systemd to take over your system if you happen > to visit the page? No. There's no mechanism for them to do this. > Or forget web pages. Will random users be able > to disrupt systems that use systemd by spewing > bazillions of d-bus messages in a denial of > service? No. Dbus contains limiting mechanisms precisely to prevent that. > I'm just curious here, but I betcha there are > folks who are more than curious out there... This might help: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html#auth-protocol -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 05:32:26PM -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: > I think LVM is quite useful for people who have large numbers of > servers and are constantly having to deal with partitions running out of > space and such. Is it as simple as a regular partition system? No. But > recovering a gronked standard system can be just as arcane to the > uninitiated. > > I can't say the same for silly decisions such as systemctl/systemd (who > gives a plugged nickel how long it takes to boot your system...you > don't do it that often) or the new, oh-so-wonderful syslog > replacements. Or not installing an MTA by default. Or I think it's pretty obvious that this is a question of different audiences. Some people *do* care about those things, for completely legitimate reasons. That's one of the reasons we started looking at having distinct server, desktop/workstation, and cloud targets for Fedora.next. We'll be able to make the right decisions for different use cases with conflicting needs. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 05:08:47PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > My efforts are on Btrfs in this regard. It's so much simpler to use and > manage. If you don't want to use certain features you don't have to, and > it'll behave pretty much like a plain partition. I'd rather be having data > problems there, that eventually have a broader benefit for both casual > users as well as the big data types. That was definitely the hope in the LVM discussion two years ago. It was even suggested that btrfs would probably be the default in F19 or F20. However, it looks like two years later, btrfs is *still* "about two years out". That's not a good trajectory. I spent some time talking to kernel filesystem experts on this at FOSDEM and DevConf the last couple of weeks, and the feedback I get is that while it's still interesting, we really can't hold our collective breath. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Working update sitting in testing
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 08:08:05AM -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > zathura 2.6 was released even before F20 was released but the > maintainer appears not to want to release it on F20 and will keep it > at 2.4 all through F21 perhaps, since rawhide appears to be F22? Why? No > one knows. These policies appear to be completely arbitrary. The policy is at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Releases and it does leave a lot of individual discretion to the package maintainers, who are a diverse bunch and tend to have different attitudes. Often it helps if you can put specific reason you need or want a newer version. "It's got a bigger number" isn't necessarily compelling, but if it fixes a bug or provides a feature you need, that might change the equation. And of course the package maintainer should know this, but it's helpful to note if you know that the update doesn't have backwards-compatibility issues or major UI changes. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 03:15:13PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > What's the basis for a "two years out" assessment? I'm not finding a > related FOSDEM or DevConf session where this was discussed. Has anyone who > was present for these conversations written about it yet? Hallway talk, I'm afraid. However, we talked about actually having a session (or even a mini-track, if there's a lot of interest) at the next Flock about the near- and medium-term future of filesystems in Fedora. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org <http://mattdm.org/> -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:52:16PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Hallway talk, I'm afraid. However, we talked about actually having a > > session (or even a mini-track, if there's a lot of interest) at the next > > Flock about the near- and medium-term future of filesystems in Fedora. > Is Fedora.next to be biased toward production or testing? I think the Fedora Desktop/Server/Cloud products we are talking about are more biased towards production than Fedora has sometimes been. I'm not sure that answers your question, though. > Should the user make that choice, and if so what changes are needed in the > installer for them to effectively make that choice? Are the decision > makers capable of saying "no" and actually establishing a handful of > installed layouts? Actually, I'm not sure this is a question. It sounds like a rhetorical argument which happens to be in the form of a quetsion. > Right now the installer's auto/guided/easy path permits about 80 testable > outcomes. And yet not one of them permits Fedora 20 to be installed along > side Fedora 19. And not one permits a prior linux OS to be replaced while > keeping /home. I agree that the last one seems like an important case which the installer could cover better. Separately, if we're really interested in allowing/encouraging parallel installs, we probably should figure out how to make OSTree work officially. https://lwn.net/Articles/581811/ -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora.next update + panel discussion video from DevConf
Video from my presentation about Fedora.next (where it comes from, what it means to address, why it's important, what we're doing, what you can do, etc.) and the follow-up panel discussion moderated by Stephen Gallagher and featuring FESCo WG liaisons (Stephen, Josh Boyer, Marcela Mašláňov, Phil Knirsch, me): <http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzd8cXxlZ8KOcJrNpkZx3trBjaStGIB0s> I'm working on an article-style summary of this for Fedora Magazine, which I'll also post to Fedora mailing lists for easier inline discussion, not to mention faster skimming. But here's the video for now. There are also a number of other incredibly-relevant and interesting recordings from the conference at <http://www.youtube.com/user/RedHatCzech/videos>, many about Fedora directly, and others about interesting related open source software. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Most Efficient Network File sharing protocol?
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:07:38AM -0600, Dan Mossor wrote: > What do y'all consider the most efficient network file system? NFS? > SMB? SFTP? NFS over UDP. Less reliable, but less overhead. Can be significant if you have a lot of data to push around. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Critical bug in GnuTLS
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 12:01:04AM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/critical-crypto-bug-leaves-linux-hundreds-of-apps-open-to-eavesdropping/ > Putting aside the slightly hysterical tone of the article, this is > appears to be a real bug with potentially serious implications. I see > that Koji has an updated rpm for F21 and wonder if this will be > backported to F20 and F19. Like *soon*. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-3413/gnutls-3.1.20-4.fc20 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-3363/gnutls-3.1.20-4.fc19 These need testing and karma. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Anti-brute force to those using firewalld?
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:20:16AM -0500, David Mehler wrote: > To those running firewalld as opposed to the older iptables static > firewall setup, FC20, what do you use for stopping anti brute force or > port knockings on your systems? I use to use fail2ban but it appears > it does not work with firewalld. For reference, here's the bug for making it so it *does* work with firewalld: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1046816 -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how does one (or does one) report a fedoraproject wiki page out of date?
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 06:11:56AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > etc, etc. is there any concerted effort to keep fedora wiki pages up > to date? thoughts? No, there certainly isn't. The wiki is a big mess. Some sections of it are carefully curated, while others are not, and there's really no way to tell which is which. If you find something which is clearly out of date, it doesn't hurt at all to put a bold section at the top saying something like "This page covers a feature for Fedora 11 and is not current." Ideally with "For updated information on this topic, see". (Maybe there is a template for this? Not sure.) -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Backup question
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 12:29:16PM -0600, CS DBA wrote: > I have an rsync script to backup my entire system each time before I > run updates, as versions come & go I try and keep up with which top > level directories to backup knowing that some like /proc are > virtual... > Here's my question: If I simply backup all directories (including > ones like /proc & /media, etc) will the following work, or do I need > to care about specifically excluding the virtual directories? It might not _hurt_ to back up /proc, /sys, and the like, but it's a waste of time and effort since these are all entirely dynamically generated and you can't possibly restore them. You can use rsync -x to keep rsync from crossing filesystems, and then just do it separately for each real filesystem you want. Alternately, you might want to try the new "Fedora Atomic" -- http://rpm-ostree.cloud.fedoraproject.org/. As the name implies, this lets you do atomic updates and switch back if thereis aproblem. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Backup question
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 03:56:18PM -0600, CS DBA wrote: > where would I find a complete list of the completely dynamic top > level directories? These days, there are quite a few special filesystems mounted on a running Linux system, but /proc and /sys are likely to be the only *top level* ones, plus /tmp may be on tmpfs. Type 'mount' and look at what you have on your system. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-03-18)
Reposting from <http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=1231>, for those of you who prefer email to the web. :) Fedora is big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This new Fedora Magazine feature will highlight interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It won’t be comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries and links to each. So, here we go for March 18th, 2014: Flock 2014 registration and talk proposals open --- In case you missed the article in Fedora Magazine a few days ago… don’t miss it. The website at <http://flocktofedora.org/>, and the talk proposal deadline is coming up fast: April 3rd, 2014. Fedora 21 feature planning in progress -- Looking to do something new for Fedora 21? The initial schedule is set and many changes are already accepted by FESCo. Submission deadline is April 8th, 2014. If you have something to add, find out how at <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Policy>. Ambassadors discuss inactive memberships <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2014-March/022263.html> Interesting discussion on Fedora Ambassadors mailing list about a process for marking the memberships of people who aren’t actively participating as inactive. Looks like there’s wide support for the low-overhead, non-punitive proposal (which allows easy reactivation). KDE talks about Fedora Products --- <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2014-March/013196.html> Another interesting discussion: KDE SIG is working on a proposal for “Fedora Plasma”, a desktop product focused at educational and scientific use. FESCo and the Fedora Advisory Board have previously approved the governance and PRDs for Cloud, Server, and Workstation (the latter of which recently elected to use Gnome as the base). It will be interesting to see how this all fits together. Planning for new Fedora web design -- The Fedora Websites and Design teams are working on refreshed websites in support of Fedora.next. I’m cheating a bit because some this is more than a week old, but it’s all still in progress. This includes an ambitious plan for a new community hub, although initial work focuses on updating the Get Fedora “brochure” site. Endnote --- So that’s it for this week. If something didn’t make the list and you think it should have, that probably just means I missed it, not that it wasn’t important. Please drop me a line and we’ll make this better next time. Bonus mailing list questions! - Is it helpful to post this here? If so, is full text important, or is posting a link to the web site fine? Would it be helpful to post it to other lists as well or instead? What about repurposing the defunct "news" mailing list for just this purpose? -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 05:27:20PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > I can post the text here if people think it'd be really helpful to do so, > > (although I'm inclined to think that would be unwieldy), and in any case I > > will take questions, comments, complaints, in any media including replies > > here, on the article, on the social media, or at any bar or coffee shop > > within walking distance of Boston's MBTA. > It would be nice if you could post a link to the next installments on > the list, otherwise interested people (like myself) might miss them. I definitely will. Thanks. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)
I promised a while ago that I would provide a text version of my talk at DevConf, for people who couldn't make it and because sitting through a video of me standing up there going on and on doesn't really make for good followup discussion. Because it grew rather long, I think it works best as a web article, which you can find on Fedora Magazine at <http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=1236>. Also because of the length, I'm posting it installments. This part is the background, next part is some of the things we are doing, followed by the panel discussion, followed by Q&A. Whew; that's a lot. I can post the text here if people think it'd be really helpful to do so, (although I'm inclined to think that would be unwieldy), and in any case I will take questions, comments, complaints, in any media including replies here, on the article, on the social media, or at any bar or coffee shop within walking distance of Boston's MBTA. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)
fficult. > Instead, you put your software on github. Absolutely. We need to make that easier. > That decision came across as "removing an MTA from the default > install". I don`t know if you`re saying that something is now replacing > sendmail or that there is no MTA when you do a default install. > If it`s the latter, no MTA at all, then it was a very bad decision. A > system without MTA is not functional. Sure it is. Again, hyperbole doesn't really help. In fact, in many situations, an MTA doesn't do you any good, as your network won't allow it to do anything useful remotely (true now at most big companies and on most big ISPs) and local delivery goes into the black hole of root's mailbox unless you configure it. And if you're going to configure one, installing one isn't a significant extra step. Plus, since there are multiple different MTAs, this is back to your choice of fvwm vs. gnome -- if we have a default you don't want, you're going have to remove it to put in your choice. > > So that’s part of what Fedora.next is: to look at our mission and > > decide what more we need to do to make it happen. > Let me simply ask what "community" is supposed to mean in the mission > statement (which I can`t quote here because it`s an image). https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Our_Mission "The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community." > I am asking this because nowadays, everything is a "community", to the > point where that word doesn`t mean anything anymore. What, who and > where is this "community" in this case, who are the members of it and > how does one become a member? "Collaborative community". That means it is all the people who work together on the project. You can become a member by saying you are and doing something. That's all there is to it. (Although, practically speaking, you will also want a Fedora account if you don't have one.) See <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join> for a lot more starting material. > Listen to the users, if you want to make a better distribution. Sure. Continue speaking up -- we are listening. > > No one has really been able to successfully make software which goes > > on top of Fedora and keeps up. Can we make that easier in some way? > Well, I have. It`s running here right now, since F17. I`d make a > package if it was easy to make one ... > > Maybe we could do a better job by letting people put their packages in > Assuming that they can make packages ... Excellent point. Not requiring packages is the next level. > Hm. After reading the article, I still don`t really understand what > Fedora.next is about. It seems to try to somehow put together some Stay tuned for the next section -- it might clear some of these things up. > questions like "How can FOSS be advanced more efficiently?", "What can > be done to make Fedora a better distribution for everyone?", "Do we want > more people to use Fedora?", "How do we get more software into Fedora?", > "How do we get more people to contribute?", "How can we decide what we > want?" and "How can we struggle less to get what we want?". I agree -- excellent questions. > I think I`d like to see an article with questions like this which lays > out what answers to these questions are currently in place. There > probably aren`t very many people who know the current answers. Such an > article would also need to explain for each question why it is necessary > to ask it now. I'll think about it. :) -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:27:02AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > If you do need to use sendmail, and your ISP is blocking Port 25, > it's not that hard to configure things to use a smarthost. As an > example, I have my own (vanity) domain and use its mail servers, > over Port 587. I also have sendmail configured to use that server > and port, along with the appropriate username/password. If anybody > out there needs to do the same thing, instructions are at > http://www.zeff.us/SMTPAuth.txt Absolutely. But since you need to configure it before it's useful, it's arguably actively harmful to have it running by default. That's all. No one is removing MTAs from the distro. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 05:50:48PM +, Liam Proven wrote: > Interesting... thanks for that. > Question. It seems implicit in the piece that Ubuntu has the eyeballs, > as it were, even if it's not cool any more either. > Do you guys ever ask yourselves /why/ that is and if there's anything > you could do to change it? Sure. :) And I think we know some of the answers, including taking advantage of the gap between RHEL's long enterprise life and Fedora's very short one, targeting polish on the desktop, and excellent community building and marketing. We can do some of those things, but not necessarily in the same way, and I don't think we'll be able to do anything meaningful by imitating what they did years ago -- that window is past and we need to go our own way. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:55:56AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Unlike others, however, I find the new system logging and analysis tools > cumbersome and painful to use. Having a program send an email to me if > it encounters issues is FAR superior to me having to plow through the > logs to see if it ran correctly or not. We definitely need better alerting and monitoring, mail-based or otherwise. Help wanted. :) -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:04:24AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > I'm guessing that you mean that Ubuntu is more popular, and has a > much bigger installed user base. If so, it's probably because it's > designed to be very user friendly, doesn't make a big deal about > some of the software restrictions that Fedora cares about and is, as > I like to say, designed for "Windows refugees." Fedora, OTOH, is a > much more geeky distro designed as a test bed for new ideas, > programs and technologies that's not for people who don't like to > tinker with things or who aren't willing to accept that not > everything in their distro is really ready for prime time. +1 to this, too. I don't think we *want* to become the mainstream windows-replacement OS, because that's not where we want to be on the innovation curve. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
keep the tone civil
> > Firstly, your mocking hectoring tone is very unhelpful, annoying and is > > not a productive way to engage. > Are you asserting that people who bitch and whine about the installer are > entitled to a monopoly on mocking hectoring tone; and unhelpful, annoying, > unproductive engagement? Hey all. I know it's fun to engage in hyperbolic mudslinging on a mailing list, but rather than have it escalate, let's please not do it on either side of the disagreement. It starts out in humor but gets out of control quickly and doesn't add to the discussion -- it certainly doesn't help convince anyone who disagrees, and it makes the whole conversation less useful overall. Thanks. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
minimal install [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 05:38:48PM +0100, lee wrote: > >> What do you consider as "base OS"? > > It's somewhat nebulous, but, as a general working definition, the system > > stuff below the applications layer. (Not in the OSI sense.) > Are there significant differences in that with different Linux > distributions? It depends on what you mean by "significant". From some points of view, it's very, very different -- different init systems (although that seems to be slowly converging on systmed), different packaging, different logging conventions. Or maybe you care that there are different library and even kernel versions. But from other points of view, that's all implementation details. > >> And on top of that, what is the Fedora-way of replacing gnome --- which > >> I find totally useless --- with fvwm, which perfectly does what I want? > > It sounds like you want to do a minimal install and then add up from that. > Yes, that`s what I always did with Debian. You can do that on Fedora, although minimal isn't quite as small. > > I think you will benefit from this effort in that the minimal install will > > be better defined and curated. > That would be nice --- I wouldn`t even have thought that there is one if > I hadn`t read on this list that there is one, somewhere. I still don`t > know how I would start with a minimal install, though. In the GUI installer, under software selection, scroll to the bottom and pick "Minimal Install". In kickstart, close-to-minimal is the default, and you can use "%packages --nocore" if you're really serious. > When you get the installer and boot it, you get a working system. > That`s a good way to go because otherwise you need a second computer > around when installing to look up things. But where is the minimal > install, and what when you don`t get a GUI? The above will start you without a GUI. [snip] > Take a look at the Debian installer. I never used their graphical one > --- an installer shouldn`t require a GUI; a GUI is just annoying for > that. It`s been a while since I used it, but it`s worlds ahead of the > installer Fedora has. It`s not perfect, either, though. You can use the installer in text mode. You can also use it in completely scripted mode. > > On the specific you do give, I'm pretty confident in saying that you're > > actually wrong. > Unless the installer majorly changed from F19 to F20, I`m not wrong. > > Storage is hard, and the new anaconda contains the most > > sophisticated and powerful GUI partitioning tool ever made. > Seriously? And like I said, I don`t like GUI installers at all. Seriously. And since you don't want a GUI installer, you probably should preconfigure your disk with whatever tools you want and then install onto it with kickstart. (more on the rest in a separate reply) -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 08:34:55PM +0100, lee wrote: > I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest of the > makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda widespread under > its users. Perhaps it`s a wrong impression; if not, it may be something > for Fedora.next to address. I think it's unfair impression. Some of the developers only care about their own area, and perhaps the users of that thing but not the project overall, sure. But overall, we care very much. The catch is: it's hard to get a good sense of what the userbase as a whole thinks. It's easy to conflate that with "care about what some users are repeating very loudly on a mailing list". That's certainly _some_ input, but it's a skewed view of the actual world. Many of the better possible ways to measure are very expensive, but overall, there is one which is straightforward and effective: users who represent a large enough community will have some percentage of people willing and able to contribute by becoming Fedora developers, and those people guide the project through their actions. That's why we have Gnome, KDE, LXDE, and MATE-Compiz desktop spins -- and, pointedly, not a fvwm one. If you really think that this is the best course for Fedora, I encourage you to step up and create one. (See <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process>.) Or, if that's not really you're thing, you could step back and focus on what you are suggesting is a bigger problem -- getting user input into Fedora. How could that be done better? Surveys? More user testing? An active "User Feedback SIG"? -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 02:47:18PM +, Liam Proven wrote: > I have to say that you are one of the most hostile, confrontational I said this before and I'll say it again if I have to (but I hope I don't). Please, everyone, check out the Code of Conduct. It's linked in the footer of every post, but here's a reminder: <https://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct>. Let's all work on elevating the level of discourse without getting into who is or isn't starting it. On the topic at hand, remember that a lot of people have put significant work into making the installer interface intuitive, easy to use, powerful, friendly, and all sorts of other things all at once. Many of the comments going by seem very dismissive of that, and it's easy to see how that escalates into hot tempers. It's one thing to say "For me, this has missed the mark in this way", and another to call all the work terrible or to make statements which imply actual antagonism. I don't mean that it's perfect (it's not), or that the developers are perfect (they're human!), or that the frustrations aren't real -- just please be aware how that might feel to people on the other side of the equation. Please, everyone, assume good faith on the part of the other. Software developers have the best intentions in making changes, and frustrated users are just frustrated. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
the "separate /usr" subthread
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:19:52PM +0100, lee wrote: > >> /usr belongs on it`s own partition. > > As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one > > thinking person to change their mind. > Thinking persons do not need to change their minds about it because they > realise that being able to have /usr on it`s own partition is a good > thing. It's important to realize that you *can* have a separate /usr -- it just really needs to be available at boot time. That means you can have separate mount options, filesystems, partition constraints, or whatever. It just doesn't work anymore to have it on a network share or (if anyone ever did this!) removable media added after initial boot. I used the network share case in the mid 1990s, when we were trying to cram Irix 6 onto 800MB workstation drives. These days, that's not really an issue. (And, hey, you can fit minimal Fedora in that space!) It might be neat for some special cases, but I hope we can all agree that it *is* a special case (and that Fedora isn't necessarily the right thing to cover all special cases). -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: the "separate /usr" subthread
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 01:09:12PM +0100, lee wrote: > > It's important to realize that you *can* have a separate /usr -- it just > > really needs to be available at boot time. > The F17 installer wouldn`t let me have it. Yeah, but F20 installer does. What was the complaint again? :) > > > That means you can have separate mount options, filesystems, partition > > constraints, or whatever. It just doesn't work anymore to have it on a > > network share or (if anyone ever did this!) removable media added > > after initial boot. > But it works when you plug it in before booting? Presumably. I haven't tried. Of course, you'll need whatever is necessary to load that disk in the initramfs. > > I used the network share case in the mid 1990s, when we were trying to > > cram Irix 6 onto 800MB workstation drives. These days, that's not really > > an issue. (And, hey, you can fit minimal Fedora in that space!) It might > > be neat for some special cases, but I hope we can all agree that it *is* > > a special case (and that Fedora isn't necessarily the right thing to > > cover all special cases). > It`s probably not totally impossible to do it, or is it? Probably not, but you might need to do some special work (including possible changes to "normal" Fedora) and that's probably okay. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: user and groups permissions
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 02:35:57PM +0100, Rafnews wrote: > i'm trying to figure out what is the best approach for files and > folders permissions in case of a shared webserver. > we are 2-3 developers and we have a server on which we installed > Fedora 20 as web server for our development testing purpose. > all websites should be stored in /var/www/html/ directory > now let's say we are 2 devs called: "alain" and "francois" (those > are our fedora user accounts. > /var/www/html/ owner is root:root > now what should we do to allow each dev to use FTP and > created/delete/ modify files and folders to create website structure > should we create a group like and add into it devs ? That's a good idea, particularly at this scale. It's harder when you go up to dozens of developers. Change the directory to be owned and writable by the group, and use "chmod g+s" to set the bit which will make all new files created inside that directory also owned by that group. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-03-25)
Reposted from http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-03-25/ Fedora is big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This new feature will highlight interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It won’t be comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with links to each. So, here we go for March 25th, 2014: Snapshot support in virt-manager Virt-manager is a GUI for managing virtual machines on your local system or remotely. It’s handy for intermediate/advanced users or for sysadmins who are not in the mood for the command line. With version 1.0, now in Rawhide and updates for F20, virt-manager now supports snapshots. Developer Cole Robinson has a blog post with details and a walkthrough of the new GUI. (A similar feature may come to Gnome Boxes in the future via Summer of Code work.) * http://virt-manager.org/ * http://blog.wikichoon.com/2014/03/snapshot-support-in-virt-manager.html * http://zee-nix.blogspot.com/2014/03/boxes-312.html From upstream code to packages in a repo, automatically every day - Fedora’s new Copr system lets any Fedora contributor easily maintain and publish a repository of whatever software you want, as long as it falls within our legal guidelines. (*cough* Fedora PPAs *cough*) But what if that’s not automatic enough? What if you want to track a fast-moving upstream without having to update source RPMs constantly? Prolific Fedora hacker Pierre-Yves Chibon (“pingou”) presents dgroc, for “Daily Git Rebuild On Copr”. It basically does just what it says — takes care of the updating and building in Copr, so you can focus on the software rather than the packaging. * http://copr.fedoraproject.org/ * http://blog.pingoured.fr/index.php?post/2014/03/20/Introducing-dgroc Fedora Plasma? A proposal from the KDE SIG -- The Fedora KDE SIG has been working on a proposal for a Fedora Product based on KDE Plasma Desktop, with a primary focus on education and scientific users. Contributor (and board member) Rex Dieter sent the a request for feedback to the Fedora Advisory Board today; if accepted, this will join already-planned Cloud, Server, and Workstation products. The discussion around this will be interesting to follow. Most people in the project agree that products in the Fedora.next framework should be held to a high standard, and that we shouldn’t have endless proliferation, but how, where, and when we draw that line is not settled. * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2014-March/012449.html FPL Robyn Bergeron on Fedora, Red Hat, and the Future - Fedora Project Leader Robyn Bergeron has a new blog post, _Fedora, Red Hat, and investing in the future_, with thoughts on Red Hat’s investment in our project, Fedora’s value to Red Hat, and the Fedora.next plans. * http://robyn.io/2014/03/25/fedora-red-hat-and-investing-in-the-future/ Fedora Atomic - Since this week has been a little slow, I’m going to cheat a bit and pull something big from the backlog. Fedora developer Colin Walters has launched a new project called Fedora Atomic. This system constructs git-like trees from existing official Fedora RPMs, and moves operating-system deployment from managing packages to managing these trees, with (as the name suggests) fully-atomic updates and rollbacks. It’s still in early development, but moving quickly, and the Fedora Cloud SIG is considering using it for some special-purpose images (including a minimal Docker host). Sound interesting — or scary? Learn more at the links below * http://rpm-ostree.cloud.fedoraproject.org/ * http://rpm-ostree.cloud.fedoraproject.org/#/background * Thanks to Stephen Gallagher for content suggestions this week, and Joe Brockmeier for proofreading. If you have tips for the next week, please send ‘em to me. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: the "separate /usr" subthread
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:50:10AM -0700, Howard Howell wrote: > > It's important to realize that you *can* have a separate /usr -- it just > > really needs to be available at boot time. That means you can have > > separate mount options, filesystems, partition constraints, or whatever. > > It just doesn't work anymore to have it on a network share or (if anyone > > ever did this!) removable media added after initial boot. > But in the modern business environment, users log in from multiple > places. How does that work if the user directory is local? On modern Linux/Unix, the "/usr" directory holds system binaries and libraries -- it is not the user directory. On Fedora (and most Linux systems), that is "/home". And there's no problem sharing that over the network. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:14:44AM -0600, Robin Laing wrote: > I would really like to see Fedora move to a constant flux where > applications are developed and then pushed out as updates which are > actually upgrades. Get to a point of not having a F19 or F20 but > just Fedora. You move from 19 to 20 to 21 through the daily updates > instead of a major upgrade. You might want to try running Rawhide, our development branch. It works exactly that way. Sometimes there are issues, but... that's thr price you pay for that. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: "Atomic"?? (was Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-03-25))
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 08:16:04PM +, Beartooth wrote: > > pull something big from the backlog. Fedora developer Colin Walters has > > launched a new project called Fedora Atomic. This system constructs > > git-like trees from existing official Fedora RPMs, and moves > > operating-system deployment from managing packages to managing these > > trees, with (as the name suggests) fully-atomic updates and rollbacks. > Reading that, and following the links, makes it seem that there > is a new buzzword, "atomic" in some sense which may be apparent to those > who use it, but isn't to me. At first, I thought it might be a typo for > "automatic." > > Can you define the new Fedora-related sense in terms > comprehensible to old mossbacks? How about partially or "fully-atomic"?? Old mossbacks should know this one, especially if they have database or filesystem experience. An atomic transaction is one which can be safely considered as a single event, and a) failure puts you back as if it didn't happen and b) it is impossible for something else to access whatever is affected and find a partial state -- you either get the original or the update. A normal RPM or yum update is not atomic -- if you pull the plug partway through, or if it breaks for some reason, you are left in a middle state, and, if you access files belonging to packages being updated while the transaction is in progress, you may get surprises. "Partially atomic" usually refers to systems where safe rollbacks happen on failure, but where it might be possible to accidentally make an access while the thing is being changed with unpredictable results. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: the "separate /usr" subthread
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:43:15PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > >>That ain't nuttin'. We started with an 11/45 with 48KB of core memory > >>and 2 RK05's (2.2MB removable cartridge disks). > >When I was young, we didn't have no computers. We used pencil and > >paper, and we were grateful. ;-) > And you probably ate dirt and carpet fuzz as well. I think the Godwin's law of the Fedora Users mailing list is: all long-enough threads eventually get to everyone competing to be the oldest with the most esoteric use of ancient computers. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- "Tepid change for the somewhat better!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part II, “What’s Happening?”)
I promised a while ago that I would provide a text version of my talk at DevConf, for people who couldn't make it and because sitting through a video of me standing up there going on and on doesn't really make for good followup discussion. I posted a link to the first part last week: <http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-present-and-future-a-fedora-next-2014-update-part-i-why/> and now, Part II: <http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-present-and-future-a-fedora-next-2014-update-part-ii-whats-happening/> And as I said last week, I will take questions, comments, complaints, in any media including replies here, on the article, on the social media, or at any bar or coffee shop within walking distance of Boston's MBTA. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- "Tepid change for the somewhat better!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)
Reposted from http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-04-01/ Fedora is a big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This series highlights interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It isn't comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with links to each. I know it's traditional for the Internet to be useless today, but, despite the temptation, I'm sticking to the facts. So, here we go for April 1st, 2014: Trying Wayland (and Gnome 3.12) --- Wayland is the upcoming successor to the X11 graphics protocol which powers our desktops. It's not done yet, but you can try it first in Fedora. You'll need to be running Rawhide (Fedora's development branch). In theory, it should work on Fedora 20 with Gnome 3.12, but from the mailing list thread, it looks like that's not working yet. * http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-March/009543.html Wait, Gnome 3.12 on Fedora 20, you ask? Yes; although F20 shipped with 3.10, 3.12 is available for those of you who are a little adventurous but not so brave as to run Rawhide, via Richard Hughes’ Gnome 3.12 COPR. There's a Fedora Magazine article with instructions, too. * https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rhughes/f20-gnome-3-12/ * http://fedoramagazine.org/running-gnome-3-12-on-fedora-20/ Infrastructure downtime *today* --- What better time for major upgrades than April Fool's Day? If you notice that some Fedora infrastructure services are unavailable later this evening, it's no joke, just planned work, including an upgrade to Koji, Fedora's package and image building service. The work should happen between 21:00 and 01:00 UTC (`date -d '2014-04-01 21:00 UTC'` in your local time). * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2014-March/003204.html Last call for Flock talk proposals -- Flock is our big annual development and planning conference, held this year in Prague from August 6th–9th. The deadline for talk proposals is April 3rd — that's Thursday. So if you are thinking of something, it's time to put those thoughts in writing. Note that there is some funding available for travel and hotel subsidies; it's not guaranteed, but we want as many contributors there as possible, so if you have a need, there is a box to check at registration time. * http://flocktofedora.org/ * https://flock-lmacken.rhcloud.com/submit_proposal Fedora 21 change plan deadline -- Speaking of deadlines... the Fedora Change Proposal deadline is April 8th, a week from today. These change proposals are our primary means for coordinating development across the project, so particularly if you want to do something which affects other areas, get it in now. FESCo (Fedora's technical steering committee) reviews and approves each proposal and may accept late entries (especially for "self-contained" changes), but it really helps to know sooner rather than later. Note that these proposals are largely statements of intent to do something, not orders for someone else to. As a community project developed by volunteers, we don't have a mechanism to *force* anyone do anything, so if you want to make something happen and can't do it all yourself, discuss on the Fedora devel list (or the appropriate SIGs) and get others inspired to sign on as collaborators. * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2014-April/001345.html Fedora Docs starts a Cookbook - The Fedora Docs team does an excellent job of producing our book-quality documentation, but we have a unfilled need for easy-to-contribute-to howto and quickstart articles. The Docs team recently held an Activity Day focused on finding a solution, and Pete Travis (a.k.a. "randomuser") describes the results: The answer we settled on is what will become the Fedora Cookbook, and it is a process as much as a book. Anyone can submit a 'recipe' for the Cookbook [...] using provided templates, and Docs volunteers will review, mark up, submit for translation, and publish. There's a lot more in Pete's post, so if this is an area of interest to you, and especially if you've been wanting to contribute but aren't sure how, don't miss it. * http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ * http://blog.randomuser.org/posts/open-books.html 5tFTW note -- This is the third installment of this series, and I'm still calibrating a few things. I'm aiming at a wide audience, but I'm not quite sure how much explaining I should do of general Fedora knowledge. Is it helpful for me to (as above), give a quick explanation when I talk about Rawhide, Flock, or FESCo? Or, does that just increase the word count for no reason
Re: Fan speed going up and down?
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 11:47:03AM -0500, christopher marlow wrote: > I have installed F20 Mate for the first time and have been using it > for 2 or 3 days now, and when opening Firefox the fan picks up speed > and gets faster, slower, faster, slow. But it seems like when I close > FF the fan goes back to a normal lower speed? Why is that? Is this > normal? That sounds like it is doing the right thing. When the CPU is doing intensive things (opening Firefox counts), it produces a lot of heat, and the fan automatically spins up to get rid of it. When the workload decreases, so does the waste heat, and therefore, no fan. -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- "Tepid change for the somewhat better!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
xwayland lands in xorg
Since this was a big conversation from last week's 5tFTW, I thought it worth noting this blog post, which goes into a lot of detail: http://blog.mecheye.net/2014/04/xwayland/ It's not very Fedora specific so it probably won't make this week's note, but I think there is some interest here. http://blog.mecheye.net/2014/04/xwayland/ -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- "Tepid change for the somewhat better!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: xwayland lands in xorg
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 12:51:21PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Even if it is not Fedora specific, I think it would be useful to throw in > a link with a small description in the weekly summaries when you come > across news that is relevant to Fedora Maybe I'll make a "followups" section, because I do already have 5 new things. :) -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- "Tepid change for the somewhat better!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
