Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-04 Thread Phillip Hellewell
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Ron Wheeler
rwhee...@artifact-software.com wrote:

 You seem to have a pretty strong ego and a thick skin to deal with some of
 the comments.
 Keep it up.

Thanks Ron :)

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-03 Thread Anders Hammar
Phillip, you should notice (once again) that fighting Maven best practice is
causing you extra trouble. You should create a mojo that cleans these files.
It can be created smart enough to detect if anything needs to be done or
not. Put the mojo in the plugin that creates the files in the first please,
and you'll have everything nicely packaged together.
Then, if you find yourself configuring several maven projects in a similar
manner. where you're binding this plugin to create files and then clean
them, you should start to think about creating your own packaging type. All
of a sudden you're following Maven best-practice and you (and every other
user in your corp doing the same thing) will think: Hey, Maven rocks! As
it does, if you don't fight it!

/Anders
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 02:12, Brian Topping topp...@codehaus.org wrote:


 On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Wayne Fay wrote:

  Ok, so this is working great now, except for one problem.  It runs
  great the first time, but if I run mvn clean a second time, the
  batch file is not there so it can't call it and it returns with an
  error.
 
  Turn your batch file into a plugin and these problems will magically go
 away.

 I have to agree here.  Creating a plugin is easy, and we will refund your
 purchase price of Maven if you do not find the Plugin interface to be the
 easiest one you've ever seen.
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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-03 Thread Ron Wheeler

On 02/12/2010 8:12 PM, Brian Topping wrote:

On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Wayne Fay wrote:


Ok, so this is working great now, except for one problem.  It runs
great the first time, but if I run mvn clean a second time, the
batch file is not there so it can't call it and it returns with an
error.

Turn your batch file into a plugin and these problems will magically go away.

I have to agree here.  Creating a plugin is easy, and we will refund your 
purchase price of Maven if you do not find the Plugin interface to be the 
easiest one you've ever seen.

You guys are pretty free with the organization's cash ;-) .
I bet you don't have to pay off too much on this offer.

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RE: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-03 Thread Yanko, Curtis
Is there some compelling reason why these files are created outside of
*target*?  The idea of *target* is to be home to all artifacts of the
build process.



Curt Yanko | Continuous Integration Services | UnitedHealth Group IT 
Making IT Happen, one build at a time, 600 times a day
 

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 Subject: Re: Catch 22 with clean phase
 
 Phillip, you should notice (once again) that fighting Maven 
 best practice is causing you extra trouble. You should create 
 a mojo that cleans these files.
 It can be created smart enough to detect if anything needs to 
 be done or not. Put the mojo in the plugin that creates the 
 files in the first please, and you'll have everything nicely 
 packaged together.
 Then, if you find yourself configuring several maven projects 
 in a similar manner. where you're binding this plugin to 
 create files and then clean them, you should start to think 
 about creating your own packaging type. All of a sudden 
 you're following Maven best-practice and you (and every other 
 user in your corp doing the same thing) will think: Hey, 
 Maven rocks! As it does, if you don't fight it!
 
 /Anders
 On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 02:12, Brian Topping 
 topp...@codehaus.org wrote:
 
 
  On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Wayne Fay wrote:
 
   Ok, so this is working great now, except for one 
 problem.  It runs 
   great the first time, but if I run mvn clean a second 
 time, the 
   batch file is not there so it can't call it and it 
 returns with an 
   error.
  
   Turn your batch file into a plugin and these problems 
 will magically 
   go
  away.
 
  I have to agree here.  Creating a plugin is easy, and we 
 will refund 
  your purchase price of Maven if you do not find the Plugin 
 interface 
  to be the easiest one you've ever seen.
  
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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-03 Thread lukewpatterson

IMHO, a not horrible migration path is:

1. use antrun, surely it can do everything (and more) that your batch file
does
2. later, using knowledge of how you accomplished it in ANT, port it to a
groovy-based plugin that uses ANT DSL


I've found the groovy-based ANT DSL plugin approach great for one-off
tasks.
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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-03 Thread Phillip Hellewell
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Anders Hammar and...@hammar.net wrote:
 Phillip, you should notice (once again) that fighting Maven best practice is
 causing you extra trouble. You should create a mojo that cleans these files.

You always jump on me so quickly about this, but I haven't even done
anything yet except ask for advice about a fairly simple problem.  But
since enough people have mentioned replacing my batch file with a
plugin, that is looking very desirable right now.

But you should know, the issue is so minor that I can pretty much
ignore it without any real problems.  Also, one of my goals is to fix
things so all generated files go below target/ (at the moment, there
are a few that don't); once that happens I won't need to do anything
special in the pre-clean phase.

Phillip

P.S.  Just to give a little more background for those who are curious:
what I have right now is a build-tools component that provides a
little batch file called buildsln.bat that essentially locates
msbuild.exe and runs it for a given .sln.  You can also pass a /clean
to get it to clean the solution.  Even though it is just a simple
batch file right now, I think converting it into a plugin as many have
suggested will probably be better in the long run.

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-03 Thread Ron Wheeler

On 03/12/2010 1:09 PM, Phillip Hellewell wrote:

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Anders Hammarand...@hammar.net  wrote:

Phillip, you should notice (once again) that fighting Maven best practice is
causing you extra trouble. You should create a mojo that cleans these files.

You always jump on me so quickly about this, but I haven't even done
anything yet except ask for advice about a fairly simple problem.  But
since enough people have mentioned replacing my batch file with a
plugin, that is looking very desirable right now.

Don't let the flack get to you.
I have followed your questions since you started.
You have done the right thing that most people do not have the courage 
to do.
You ask questions and you generally ask questions the right 
way(strategic first, details later).


From the speed at which your conversion to Maven appears to be going, I 
think that you have done the right thing.


You seem to have a pretty strong ego and a thick skin to deal with some 
of the comments.

Keep it up.

Ron



But you should know, the issue is so minor that I can pretty much
ignore it without any real problems.  Also, one of my goals is to fix
things so all generated files go below target/ (at the moment, there
are a few that don't); once that happens I won't need to do anything
special in the pre-clean phase.

Phillip

P.S.  Just to give a little more background for those who are curious:
what I have right now is a build-tools component that provides a
little batch file called buildsln.bat that essentially locates
msbuild.exe and runs it for a given .sln.  You can also pass a /clean
to get it to clean the solution.  Even though it is just a simple
batch file right now, I think converting it into a plugin as many have
suggested will probably be better in the long run.

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Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Phillip Hellewell
There's a batch file I want to run during the clean phase.  Problem
is, the batch file lives below target/dependency, and the clean phase
wipes target first, so then my batch file can't be found.

Is there a good solution to this?  Like a pre-clean phase or something?

The only other ideas I've come up with are:
1. Move the functionality of the batch file into a plugin.
2. Copy the batch file from target/dependency to the base directory
(where the pom.xml is) during process-sources after the unpack.

The downside of #1 is that a plugin is really overkill for what this
batch file does.
The downside of #2 is that I have yet another file cluttering up the
base directory (though of course it will be svn:ignored).

Phillip

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Brian Topping
There is a pre-clean, see 
http://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-the-lifecycle.html#Lifecycle_Reference

On Dec 2, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Phillip Hellewell wrote:

 There's a batch file I want to run during the clean phase.  Problem
 is, the batch file lives below target/dependency, and the clean phase
 wipes target first, so then my batch file can't be found.
 
 Is there a good solution to this?  Like a pre-clean phase or something?
 
 The only other ideas I've come up with are:
 1. Move the functionality of the batch file into a plugin.
 2. Copy the batch file from target/dependency to the base directory
 (where the pom.xml is) during process-sources after the unpack.
 
 The downside of #1 is that a plugin is really overkill for what this
 batch file does.
 The downside of #2 is that I have yet another file cluttering up the
 base directory (though of course it will be svn:ignored).
 
 Phillip
 
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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Phillip Hellewell ssh...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's a batch file I want to run during the clean phase.  Problem
 is, the batch file lives below target/dependency, and the clean phase
 wipes target first, so then my batch file can't be found.

What does the batch file do?

Just guessing since you're trying to do it during clean, perhaps you
could configure the clean plugin to delete some additional files?

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Tamás Cservenák
FYI, Simple things (you say for bath file a plugin is really overkill for
what this batch file does)  are the best candidates to make into plugins.

Especially if that's something company specific or project specific
thingy.

Thanks,
~t~

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Wendy Smoak wsm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Phillip Hellewell ssh...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  There's a batch file I want to run during the clean phase.  Problem
  is, the batch file lives below target/dependency, and the clean phase
  wipes target first, so then my batch file can't be found.

 What does the batch file do?

 Just guessing since you're trying to do it during clean, perhaps you
 could configure the clean plugin to delete some additional files?

 --
 Wendy

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Phillip Hellewell
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Brian Topping topp...@codehaus.org wrote:
 There is a pre-clean, see 
 http://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-the-lifecycle.html#Lifecycle_Reference

That's so weird.  I swear I was on this page looking for pre-clean and
couldn't find it.  I don't know why.

Oh well, thanks!

Phillip

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Phillip Hellewell
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Wendy Smoak wsm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Phillip Hellewell ssh...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's a batch file I want to run during the clean phase.  Problem
 is, the batch file lives below target/dependency, and the clean phase
 wipes target first, so then my batch file can't be found.

 What does the batch file do?

It just deletes a few generated files that get created during the
build that happen to not be inside target/ (most the generated files
go below target/bin so they aren't a problem).

 Just guessing since you're trying to do it during clean, perhaps you
 could configure the clean plugin to delete some additional files?

Oh, I didn't even think that the clean plugin could be configured to
delete additional files.  That is good to know, thanks!

Phillip

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Phillip Hellewell
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Phillip Hellewell ssh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Brian Topping topp...@codehaus.org wrote:
 There is a pre-clean, see 
 http://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-the-lifecycle.html#Lifecycle_Reference

 That's so weird.  I swear I was on this page looking for pre-clean and
 couldn't find it.  I don't know why.

Ok, so this is working great now, except for one problem.  It runs
great the first time, but if I run mvn clean a second time, the
batch file is not there so it can't call it and it returns with an
error.

Is there any way to make it conditional so it won't try to run the
batch file if the target/ directory is not there?  I'm using the
exec-maven-plugin but I don't see any options that would help.

Phillip

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On 2 December 2010 15:57, Phillip Hellewell ssh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there any way to make it conditional so it won't try to run the
 batch file if the target/ directory is not there?  I'm using the
 exec-maven-plugin but I don't see any options that would help.

You could add a profile that's only triggered if your batch file exists.

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Wayne Fay
 Ok, so this is working great now, except for one problem.  It runs
 great the first time, but if I run mvn clean a second time, the
 batch file is not there so it can't call it and it returns with an
 error.

Turn your batch file into a plugin and these problems will magically go away.

Wayne

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Re: Catch 22 with clean phase

2010-12-02 Thread Brian Topping

On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Wayne Fay wrote:

 Ok, so this is working great now, except for one problem.  It runs
 great the first time, but if I run mvn clean a second time, the
 batch file is not there so it can't call it and it returns with an
 error.
 
 Turn your batch file into a plugin and these problems will magically go away.

I have to agree here.  Creating a plugin is easy, and we will refund your 
purchase price of Maven if you do not find the Plugin interface to be the 
easiest one you've ever seen.
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