Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Yes, it IS deprecated [1]. Archived features means we no longer provide direct 
support.

  [1]: http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansArchivedFeatures

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 14:15, Niklas Matthies  wrote:
> 
> Nowhere does it say that CVS support is deprecated. It only isn't installed 
> by default any more.
> 
> Niklas
> 
> On Sat 2018-03-10 at 13:16h, Brett Ryan wrote on users:
>> Again, when netbeans actually announced it 6 years ago! You must have 
>> installed the external plugin.
>> 
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:48, emiddio-frontier  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
>>> Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
>>> It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
>>> My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
>>> My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
>>> shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
>>> Version: 2.25.1.42.1
>>> Source: Certified Plugins
>>> Plugin Description
>>> Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. 
>>> Version control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in 
>>> streamlining typical team development cycles. 
>>> 
>>> Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?
>>> 
>>> -Gary
>>> 
 On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
 "It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
 generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology." 
 
 I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider the 
 amount of commitment to a particular technology that business 
 has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular technology, 
 then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must 
 take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is 
 built using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because 
 "younger" people like something else. This is business and business is 
 life to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition 
 theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that lays 
 the new technology golden egg.
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Niklas Matthies]

Nowhere does it say that CVS support is deprecated. It only isn't installed by 
default any more.

Niklas

On Sat 2018-03-10 at 13:16h, Brett Ryan wrote on users:
> Again, when netbeans actually announced it 6 years ago! You must have 
> installed the external plugin.
> 
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
> 
> 
> > On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:48, emiddio-frontier  wrote:
> > 
> > Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
> > Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
> > It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
> > My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
> > My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
> > shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
> > Version: 2.25.1.42.1
> > Source: Certified Plugins
> > Plugin Description
> > Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. 
> > Version control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in 
> > streamlining typical team development cycles. 
> > 
> > Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?
> > 
> > -Gary
> > 
> >> On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
> >> "It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
> >> generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology." 
> >> 
> >> I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider the 
> >> amount of commitment to a particular technology that business 
> >> has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular technology, 
> >> then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must 
> >> take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is 
> >> built using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because 
> >> "younger" people like something else. This is business and business is 
> >> life to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition 
> >> theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that lays 
> >> the new technology golden egg. 
> >> 
> > 

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Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[John Muczynski]

Hi Olumide,

NetBeans has some temporary files in addition to the cache.
You could delete them all.
The store all your settings, and open projects, and groups of projects, etc.

Kind Regards,
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On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Olumide  wrote:

> Hi Johnny,
>
> I've got Netbeans 8.0.2, 8.1 and 8.2, but prefer to use 8.0.2.
>
> 8.1 too prompts for the dialog but 8.2 does not.
>
> Regards,
>
> - Olumide
>
>
> On 09/03/18 04:03, John Muczynski wrote:
> > Hi Olumide,
> >
> > Sounds like something is cross-configured.
> > If it were me, I'd do steps like this:
> >
> >  1. install NetBeans 8.2 and see if it acts the same way.
> >  2. If it does then look at the path. See what you can remove which will
> > make the pain go away. That'll lead down a rabbit trail.
> >  3. If it doesn't then uninstall and reinstall 8.02 and that should fix
> it.
> >  4. If it doesn't fix it, then maybe just use 8.2
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Johnny
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:11 PM Olumide  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hello List,
> >
> > Whenever I start netbeans-8.0.2 the KDE Wallet is launched and
> > regardless of the look-and-feel, GTK+ or otherwise. How can I stop
> this
> > from happening? My Os is Ubuntu Linux 17.10.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > - Olumide
> >
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Again, when netbeans actually announced it 6 years ago! You must have installed 
the external plugin.

http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport


> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:48, emiddio-frontier  wrote:
> 
> Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
> Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
> It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
> My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
> My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
> shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
> Version: 2.25.1.42.1
> Source: Certified Plugins
> Plugin Description
> Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. Version 
> control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in streamlining typical 
> team development cycles. 
> 
> Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?
> 
> -Gary
> 
>> On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
>> "It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
>> generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology." 
>> 
>> I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider the 
>> amount of commitment to a particular technology that business 
>> has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular technology, 
>> then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must 
>> take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is built 
>> using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because 
>> "younger" people like something else. This is business and business is life 
>> to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition 
>> theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that lays the 
>> new technology golden egg. 
>> 
> 

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:02, Thomas Wolf  wrote:
> 
> "How are you even using CVS" - because it's there?!  See attached screen 
> shots.  It's even labeled "Base IDE", which makes it look pretty  darn 
> integral rather than externalized.   I installed NB 8.2 on a brand new Mac 
> and don't recall doing anything in particular to get it either.

It’s not part of NetBeans IDE though, support was removed about 6-7 years ago 
to en external plugin in the plugin portal, again here’s the URL explaining it 
[1]. “Base IDE” is just the name of the category the plugin lives in, which 
should actually be “Team Collaboration”.

You could have only got CVS support by installing the plugin which used to 
prompt you if you opened a cvs project but had to install manually to do a 
checkout. But the plugin no longer appears in the plugin portal [2].

  [1]: http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
  [2]: http://plugins.netbeans.org/

> "If we introduce..." - we're not holding tutorials telling folks to use it or 
> even advocating its use.  It's a plugin for crying out loud.  They can use it 
> or leave it.   Are "young generation" so stupid they can't google and see for 
> themselves that if they use CVS they're using old tech?

That’s not exactly what I meant. And yes, if it’s a burden to support edge 
cases then the edge cases should be discouraged. Just as my analogy that IE9 
has wide support to discontinue its use component developers actively encourage 
this.

We should support the currently wide spread technologies and externalise 
support for diminishing tech. We could focus out efforts on what other IDE’s 
are doing like scala support, which the other major IDE’s support out of the 
box (they don’t support CVS).

> "When we continue to support deprecation..."  CVS isn't "deprecated" because 
> there isn't an organization that can proclaim it so  - it's just older 
> technology that isn't worth using on new projects.  But it's definitely still 
> in heavy use and, therefore, an IDE should still support it..

Without doing the analysis i’m not sure what the widespread use is.

> "When you continue to support deprecation well beyond it's EOL..." - give me 
> the date that CVS went EOL???  I must have missed that announcement!

When the CVS maintainers stopped working on CVS and started on SVN, they’re the 
same guys, and made the same mistakes in SVN, i think it started in 2001, I 
can’t even remember the last publicised book.

> We just have different views on the subject.  And I don't really have a leg 
> to stand on: it's up to Netbeans developers and contributors to decide 
> whether to support that plugin.  But I'm 100% sure that there's still 
> wide-spread use of it out there and that means Netbeans will lose some users 
> if it drops support.

It won’t lose users, it never did when the plugin got dropped :)

> Anyway,
> This is a good discussion to have had.  Let's leave it at that.  Attached are 
> the screen shots.
> tom
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2018, at 10:23, Thomas Wolf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who created this external plugin and currently maintains it?  If the answer 
>>> is “Netbeans”, then I disagree with regards to testing it.
>> 
>> NetBeans did, they also created the Java CVS Client which was a huge burden 
>> to continue to maintain which is why the whole things was externalised 
>> outside of NetBeans Core.
>> 
>> The reason why plugins become externalised/archived is so the core IDE can 
>> evolve beyond legacy plugins.
>> 
>>> I don’t think anyone is advocating holding back younger generations - 
>>> that’s really being overly dramatic.
>> 
>> If we introduce them to deprecated technologies, then yes; we are holding 
>> them back.
>> 
>>> The CVS plugin (and I imagine SVN as well) is pretty rock solid by now.
>> 
>> How are you even using CVS? I can't even find it on the plugin portal 
>> anymore, it's been completely removed!
>> 
>>> I can’t imagine it requiring massive resources to maintain.
>> 
>> It was a massive resource to maintain, that's precisely why it was removed.
>> 
>>> On the other hand, as was explained above, lots of people still use these 
>>> “legacy” repositories.  An IDE is only as useful as the breadth of 
>>> functionality it provides its developers.
>> 
>> Fine, then legacy should not be part of core. There's no need to continue 
>> supporting legacy, this is why JavaScript libraries remove support for IE8,
>> 
>> When you continue to support deprecation well beyond it's EOL then it does 
>> hold back the community at large.
>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
 On Mar 9, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
 
 Since CVS is an external plugin we do not need it tested. SVN on the other 
 hand does need to be tested as it’s still part of the core, I’ve mentioned 
 this a couple times now.
 
 It is interesting hearing the commentary on 

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[emiddio-frontier]

Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
*Version: *2.25.1.42.1
*Source: *Certified Plugins
Plugin Description
Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. 
Version control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in 
streamlining typical team development cycles.


Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?

-Gary

On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
"It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology."


I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider 
the amount of commitment to a particular technology that business
has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular 
technology, then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must
take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is 
built using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because
"younger" people like something else. This is business and business is 
life to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition
theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that 
lays the new technology golden egg.

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Since CVS is an external plugin we do not need it tested. SVN on the other hand 
does need to be tested as it’s still part of the core, I’ve mentioned this a 
couple times now.

It is interesting hearing the commentary on perceptions of DVCS solutions (Git, 
hg). Both of these are far easier to use and require no server (svn needs an 
apache web server, cvs needs a proprietary server), branching/forking/merging 
is so easy it’s unbelievable.

It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger generations 
by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology.

Anyway watch Linus Torvalds talk from 2007 on git at google 
https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 04:32, Thomas Wolf  wrote:
> 
> I can join NetCAT since there’s a shortage of CVS users, but I’m not sure I 
> will be able to do extensive testing since, as I mentioned, I only use CVS 
> when accessing the company’s other projects.  But under the motto “something 
> is better than nothing”...
> 
> tom
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The support for CVS is provided as a separate plugin and has been for years. 
>> It’s really interesting to hear from various people in this thread that 
>> they’re making use of this feature. Would be great to have a few of them 
>> join the NetCAT program to give feedback on how the CVS plugin works in the 
>> upcoming Apache NetBeans 9.0 release.
>> 
>> Gj
>> 
>>> On Friday, March 9, 2018, Philip Wasson  wrote:
>>> What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git is 
>>> not worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that 
>>> Git doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an 
>>> option in every situation.
>>> 
 On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard  wrote:
 
 I'm using SVN. 
 
 I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce 
 the usefulnes of NB for me.
 -- 
 Eduard
 
 David Heffelfinger wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
> 
> David
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
>>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
>> 
>> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we 
>> remove svn also.
>> 
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>> 
>>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS 
>>> or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for 
>>> volunteers.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
 I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS 
 taken out in 7.?
 
 On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  
 wrote:
 
> All,
> 
> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need 
> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test 
> integration with these two VCS tools.
> 
> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your 
> help. Please sign up at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
> 
> Thanks!
> David
> 
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Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[Oliver Rettig]

Hi,

the described problems remembers me on 

https://bitbucket.org/phansson/netbeansnetworkauthenticator

This plugin solved some years ago my isues inside an intranet with a specific 
proxy between 
the internet. I cauld find that the origin of the problem which results in 
opening a dialog 
which asks for credentials was the proxy but the company dont investigate in 
fixing the 
proxy issue. 

With the above plugin the problem cault be workaround.

Does anybody knows if the plugin can be integrated into Nebeans 9 platform?

best regards
Oliver

> Hello List,
> 
> Whenever I start netbeans-8.0.2 the KDE Wallet is launched and
> regardless of the look-and-feel, GTK+ or otherwise. How can I stop this
> from happening? My Os is Ubuntu Linux 17.10.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Olumide
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Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[Olumide]

Hi Peter,

I've got a local install so I've added the lines

-J-Dorg.netbeans.modules.keyring.level=FINE
-J-Dnetbeans.keyring.no.master=true

to netbeans-8.0.2/etc/netbeans.conf

But KDE Wallet still pops up.

Regards,

- Olumide


On 09/03/18 10:16, Peter Nabbefeld wrote:


Hello,

I'm using NB 8.1/8.2/dev on Arch Linux.

When starting NetBeans, I'm asked for the master password, with the 
following hint:


"The IDE can remember passwords for you, protected by a master password. 
If you have not chosen one yet, do so now; you will be prompted for it 
in subsequent sessions when needed. You can also change the master 
password whenever you are prompted for it."


The passwords will be stored in some keystore. I've found the following 
related link: http://wiki.netbeans.org/FaqMasterPasswordDialog


Obviously, in releases 7.x, setting the master password could be 
optionally enabled. Since 8.x it seems to be required.


However, as the document contains the following phrase: "[...] as of 
NetBeans 6.9 the IDE tries to use your operating system's native 
facility to store passwords.", using either password store should not be 
specified by netbeans, but by underlying OS instead. But I don't now if 
either keystore could be disabled on a per-application-basis.


However, NetBeans looks for available keystores and sorts them according 
to a position number - kwallet having position number 99, keyring having 
100, so kwallet "wins".


You could set "netbeans.keyring.no.native=true", then neither should be 
used.


However, I don't see any possibility in the current code, to switch the 
keystore used. You could implement a property to switch the keystore, my 
personal favorite would be 
"org.netbeans.modules.keyring.preferredKeystore" (a preferred keystore 
allows to find some other, if it is not available). The code should be 
added to api the "keyring" module (class "Keyring" could store both 
results and return the preferred one, if found).


Kind regards
Peter



Am 09.03.2018 um 02:11 schrieb Olumide:

Hello List,

Whenever I start netbeans-8.0.2 the KDE Wallet is launched and 
regardless of the look-and-feel, GTK+ or otherwise. How can I stop 
this from happening? My Os is Ubuntu Linux 17.10.


Regards,

- Olumide

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Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[Olumide]

Hi Johnny,

I've got Netbeans 8.0.2, 8.1 and 8.2, but prefer to use 8.0.2.

8.1 too prompts for the dialog but 8.2 does not.

Regards,

- Olumide


On 09/03/18 04:03, John Muczynski wrote:

Hi Olumide,

Sounds like something is cross-configured.
If it were me, I'd do steps like this:

 1. install NetBeans 8.2 and see if it acts the same way.
 2. If it does then look at the path. See what you can remove which will
make the pain go away. That'll lead down a rabbit trail.
 3. If it doesn't then uninstall and reinstall 8.02 and that should fix it.
 4. If it doesn't fix it, then maybe just use 8.2

Kind Regards,
Johnny


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Hello List,

Whenever I start netbeans-8.0.2 the KDE Wallet is launched and
regardless of the look-and-feel, GTK+ or otherwise. How can I stop this
from happening? My Os is Ubuntu Linux 17.10.

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- Olumide

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Thomas Wolf]

I can join NetCAT since there’s a shortage of CVS users, but I’m not sure I 
will be able to do extensive testing since, as I mentioned, I only use CVS when 
accessing the company’s other projects.  But under the motto “something is 
better than nothing”...

tom

> On Mar 9, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The support for CVS is provided as a separate plugin and has been for years. 
> It’s really interesting to hear from various people in this thread that 
> they’re making use of this feature. Would be great to have a few of them join 
> the NetCAT program to give feedback on how the CVS plugin works in the 
> upcoming Apache NetBeans 9.0 release.
> 
> Gj
> 
>> On Friday, March 9, 2018, Philip Wasson  wrote:
>> What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git is 
>> not worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that Git 
>> doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an option 
>> in every situation.
>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm using SVN. 
>>> 
>>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce the 
>>> usefulnes of NB for me.
>>> -- 
>>> Eduard
>>> 
>>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
 Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
 
 David
 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
> 
> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we 
> remove svn also.
> 
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
> 
>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS 
>> or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for 
>> volunteers.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS 
>>> taken out in 7.?
>>> 
 On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  
 wrote:
 
 All,
 
 This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need 
 volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test 
 integration with these two VCS tools.
 
 If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your 
 help. Please sign up at 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
 
 Thanks!
 David
 
 -- 
 http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
 My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
 My Video Training: 
 http://www.packtpub.com/java-ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video
 Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
>> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
>> My Video Training: 
>> http://www.packtpub.com/java-ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video
>> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
 
 
 
 -- 
 http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
 My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
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 Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
>>> 
>> 

Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[Lars Bruun-Hansen]

@Olumide

One reason that this may be happening:  On startup NB will try to find its
way to netbeans.org to see if there are updates available. This may trigger
the Authenticator to go into action if you are on a site with a network
proxy and that proxy requires authentication.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Peter Nabbefeld 
wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I'm using NB 8.1/8.2/dev on Arch Linux.
>
> When starting NetBeans, I'm asked for the master password, with the
> following hint:
>
> "The IDE can remember passwords for you, protected by a master password.
> If you have not chosen one yet, do so now; you will be prompted for it in
> subsequent sessions when needed. You can also change the master password
> whenever you are prompted for it."
>
> The passwords will be stored in some keystore. I've found the following
> related link: http://wiki.netbeans.org/FaqMasterPasswordDialog
>
> Obviously, in releases 7.x, setting the master password could be
> optionally enabled. Since 8.x it seems to be required.
>
> However, as the document contains the following phrase: "[...] as of
> NetBeans 6.9 the IDE tries to use your operating system's native facility
> to store passwords.", using either password store should not be specified
> by netbeans, but by underlying OS instead. But I don't now if either
> keystore could be disabled on a per-application-basis.
>
> However, NetBeans looks for available keystores and sorts them according
> to a position number - kwallet having position number 99, keyring having
> 100, so kwallet "wins".
>
> You could set "netbeans.keyring.no.native=true", then neither should be
> used.
>
> However, I don't see any possibility in the current code, to switch the
> keystore used. You could implement a property to switch the keystore, my
> personal favorite would be "org.netbeans.modules.keyring.preferredKeystore"
> (a preferred keystore allows to find some other, if it is not available).
> The code should be added to api the "keyring" module (class "Keyring" could
> store both results and return the preferred one, if found).
>
> Kind regards
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> Am 09.03.2018 um 02:11 schrieb Olumide:
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> Whenever I start netbeans-8.0.2 the KDE Wallet is launched and regardless
>> of the look-and-feel, GTK+ or otherwise. How can I stop this from
>> happening? My Os is Ubuntu Linux 17.10.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> - Olumide
>>
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>
>

Issue building Netbeans 9.0 using JDK 8 or JDK 9

[Shaun Flynn]

Hello there folks,

I am trying to bulid Netbeans 9.0 from "https://github.com/apache/
incubator-netbeans" using Git and Ant.

I have tried using Java 8 and Java 9 but it does not build.

When I get to the Ant stage, javac complains of the following. Can anyone
help?

C:\Users\user>CD incubator-netbeans

C:\Users\user\incubator-netbeans>ant -version
Apache Ant(TM) version 1.10.2 compiled on February 3 2018

C:\Users\user\incubator-netbeans>ant
Buildfile: C:\Users\user\incubator-netbeans\build.xml

-jdk-pre-preinit:

-jdk-preinit:

-jdk-warn:

-jdk-presetdef-basic:

-jdk-default:

-jdk-init:

-load-build-properties:

bootstrap:
 [echo] Bootstrapping NetBeans-specific Ant extensions...
[javac] Compiling 53 source files to C:\Users\user\incubator-
netbeans\nbbuild\build\antclasses
[javac] C:\Users\user\incubator-netbeans\nbbuild\antsrc\org\
netbeans\nbbuild\LayerIndex.java:344: error: class ZipArray inherits
unrelated defaults for stream() from types ResourceCollection and Collection
[javac] private static final class ZipArray extends
ArrayList
[javac]  ^
[javac] 1 error

BUILD FAILED
C:\Users\user\incubator-netbeans\nbbuild\build.xml:88: Compile failed; see
the compiler error output for details.

Total time: 11 seconds

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

The support for CVS is provided as a separate plugin and has been for
years. It’s really interesting to hear from various people in this thread
that they’re making use of this feature. Would be great to have a few of
them join the NetCAT program to give feedback on how the CVS plugin works
in the upcoming Apache NetBeans 9.0 release.

Gj

On Friday, March 9, 2018, Philip Wasson  wrote:

> What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git
> is not worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that
> Git doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an
> option in every situation.
>
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard  wrote:
>
> I'm using SVN.
>
> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce
> the usefulnes of NB for me.
> --
> Eduard
>
> David Heffelfinger wrote:
>
> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at
>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
>>
>>
>> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we
>> remove svn also.
>>
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>>
>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS
>> or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for
>> volunteers.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS
>>> taken out in 7.?
>>>
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need
>>> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test
>>> integration with these two VCS tools.
>>>
>>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your
>>> help. Please sign up at https://cwiki.apache.org/co
>>> nfluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
>>> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
>>> My Video Training: http://www.packtpub.com/java-e
>>> e-development-with-netbeans-7/video
>>> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
>> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
>> My Video Training: http://www.packtpub.com/java-e
>> e-development-with-netbeans-7/video
>> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
> My Video Training: http://www.packtpub.com/java-
> ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video
> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
>
>
>
>

Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[Bayless]

Not using git. Thanks, now I understand.



On 03/09/2018 08:53 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:



On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 at 14:50 Bayless > wrote:


I don't understand this.

I have used Netbeans since version 5.0 and it has never asked for a
password of any kind. I have also been using version 8.1 for the
last 18
months on Linux Mint, still with no password requested.


I assume you're not pushing to git, etc.?  This generally comes up 
when storing passwords for authenticating to repositories and the like.


Best wishes,

Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net 

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - 
www.praxislive.org 

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Philip Wasson]

What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git is not 
worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that Git 
doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an option in 
every situation.

> On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard  wrote:
> 
> I'm using SVN. 
> 
> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce the 
> usefulnes of NB for me.
> -- 
> Eduard
> 
> David Heffelfinger wrote:
>> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger > > wrote:
>> 
>>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
>>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view 
>>> .
>> 
>> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we 
>> remove svn also.
>> 
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport 
>>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS or 
>>> SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for volunteers.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan >> > wrote:
>>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
>>> out in 7.?
>>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger >> > wrote:
>>> 
 All,
 
 This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers 
 that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with 
 these two VCS tools.
 
 If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help. 
 Please sign up at 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants
  
 .
 
 Thanks!
 David
 
 -- 
 http://ensode.net  - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other 
 Technology Topics
 My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger 
 
 My Video Training: 
 http://www.packtpub.com/java-ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video 
 
 Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> http://ensode.net  - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other 
>>> Technology Topics
>>> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger 
>>> 
>>> My Video Training: 
>>> http://www.packtpub.com/java-ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video 
>>> 
>>> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> http://ensode.net  - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other 
>> Technology Topics
>> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger 
>> 
>> My Video Training: 
>> http://www.packtpub.com/java-ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video 
>> 
>> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode 
> 

Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[Neil C Smith]

On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 at 14:50 Bayless  wrote:

> I don't understand this.
>
> I have used Netbeans since version 5.0 and it has never asked for a
> password of any kind. I have also been using version 8.1 for the last 18
> months on Linux Mint, still with no password requested.
>

I assume you're not pushing to git, etc.?  This generally comes up when
storing passwords for authenticating to repositories and the like.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[Bayless]

I don't understand this.

I have used Netbeans since version 5.0 and it has never asked for a 
password of any kind. I have also been using version 8.1 for the last 18 
months on Linux Mint, still with no password requested.


Do you have it set to require super user access maybe? If so then I 
suggest re-installing with access for all users.


Bayless



On 03/09/2018 04:16 AM, Peter Nabbefeld wrote:


Hello,

I'm using NB 8.1/8.2/dev on Arch Linux.

When starting NetBeans, I'm asked for the master password, with the 
following hint:


"The IDE can remember passwords for you, protected by a master 
password. If you have not chosen one yet, do so now; you will be 
prompted for it in subsequent sessions when needed. You can also 
change the master password whenever you are prompted for it."


The passwords will be stored in some keystore. I've found the 
following related link: http://wiki.netbeans.org/FaqMasterPasswordDialog


Obviously, in releases 7.x, setting the master password could be 
optionally enabled. Since 8.x it seems to be required.


However, as the document contains the following phrase: "[...] as of 
NetBeans 6.9 the IDE tries to use your operating system's native 
facility to store passwords.", using either password store should not 
be specified by netbeans, but by underlying OS instead. But I don't 
now if either keystore could be disabled on a per-application-basis.


However, NetBeans looks for available keystores and sorts them 
according to a position number - kwallet having position number 99, 
keyring having 100, so kwallet "wins".


You could set "netbeans.keyring.no.native=true", then neither should 
be used.


However, I don't see any possibility in the current code, to switch 
the keystore used. You could implement a property to switch the 
keystore, my personal favorite would be 
"org.netbeans.modules.keyring.preferredKeystore" (a preferred keystore 
allows to find some other, if it is not available). The code should be 
added to api the "keyring" module (class "Keyring" could store both 
results and return the preferred one, if found).


Kind regards
Peter



Am 09.03.2018 um 02:11 schrieb Olumide:

Hello List,

Whenever I start netbeans-8.0.2 the KDE Wallet is launched and 
regardless of the look-and-feel, GTK+ or otherwise. How can I stop 
this from happening? My Os is Ubuntu Linux 17.10.


Regards,

- Olumide

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[David Cogen]

On 03/08/2018 07:25 AM, Brett Ryan wrote:
I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken out 
in 7.?
I would be EXTREMELY inconvenienced if CVS or SVN support were removed from 
netbeans. Here were still use both extensively. (We use git too, but our CVS 
isn't going away anytime soon.)



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Re: Starting netbeans 8.0.2 launches KDE Wallet

[Peter Nabbefeld]

Hello,

I'm using NB 8.1/8.2/dev on Arch Linux.

When starting NetBeans, I'm asked for the master password, with the 
following hint:


"The IDE can remember passwords for you, protected by a master password. 
If you have not chosen one yet, do so now; you will be prompted for it 
in subsequent sessions when needed. You can also change the master 
password whenever you are prompted for it."


The passwords will be stored in some keystore. I've found the following 
related link: http://wiki.netbeans.org/FaqMasterPasswordDialog


Obviously, in releases 7.x, setting the master password could be 
optionally enabled. Since 8.x it seems to be required.


However, as the document contains the following phrase: "[...] as of 
NetBeans 6.9 the IDE tries to use your operating system's native 
facility to store passwords.", using either password store should not be 
specified by netbeans, but by underlying OS instead. But I don't now if 
either keystore could be disabled on a per-application-basis.


However, NetBeans looks for available keystores and sorts them according 
to a position number - kwallet having position number 99, keyring having 
100, so kwallet "wins".


You could set "netbeans.keyring.no.native=true", then neither should be 
used.


However, I don't see any possibility in the current code, to switch the 
keystore used. You could implement a property to switch the keystore, my 
personal favorite would be 
"org.netbeans.modules.keyring.preferredKeystore" (a preferred keystore 
allows to find some other, if it is not available). The code should be 
added to api the "keyring" module (class "Keyring" could store both 
results and return the preferred one, if found).


Kind regards
Peter



Am 09.03.2018 um 02:11 schrieb Olumide:

Hello List,

Whenever I start netbeans-8.0.2 the KDE Wallet is launched and 
regardless of the look-and-feel, GTK+ or otherwise. How can I stop 
this from happening? My Os is Ubuntu Linux 17.10.


Regards,

- Olumide

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