Re: Aoo 4.1.0
Hallo, habe nichts gemacht, heute läuft es auf alle Fälle ohne Probleme. Warum? Keine Ahnung. Von den 5 Mirrors waren die Dateigrößen die WIN mir sagt zwar verschieden ich habe einfach die Größte genommen. Gruß Christian Am 06.05.2014 16:02, schrieb Isch: Hallo, seit heute wird die neue Version angezeigt, bzw. kann per Download bezogen werden. Doch die WIN - Version habe ich inzwischen von verschiedenen Mirrors bezogen, in verschiedenen größen, doch bei allen wird festgestellt. Kann nicht installiert werden weil nicht komplett. Ach ich habe WIN 8.1 ohne Virus etc.. Version 4.0.1 läuft ohne Probleme. Gruß Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Integration des dt. Wörterbuches in mein kürzlich install. App Andropen office Ver 1.5
Am Donnerstag, den 08.05.2014, 15:36 +0200 schrieb Brosemann: Hallo Bernd snip Endloszeile entsorgt snap Du meinst das Projekt/Programm AdrOpenoffice? Dann glaube ich, daß Du hier nicht an der richtigen Stelle bist. Was dort angeboten wird ist keine Bestandteil des OpenOffice- bzw. Apache-OO-Projektes, sondern eine eigenständige Entwicklung. Ich kann Dir auch nur so viel sagen, daß man bei alle Versuche an dieses Projekt selbst heranzukommen auf mehr oder weniger dubiosen asiatischen Seiten landen. Und das schafft IMHO nicht gerade Vertrauen. -- Gruß Stefan Die e-Mail-Adresse nimmt grundsätzlich keine privaten Nachrichten entgegen. Solche bitte an hsn.neumeyer[dot]arcor.de senden. GnuPG-Schluesselkennung für diese Adresse: 7C9AB525 Für dort unverschlüsselt eingehende Nachrichten behalte ich mir vor diese nicht zu beachten! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Eifügen fehlende Pictograme i.d. Taskleiste
Nochmals: Ich schreibe etwas und möchte z.B. eine Buchstabe oder ein Befehl rückgängig machen. Ich kann aber die Schaltfläche Rückgängig nicht betätigen, weil sie grau und inaktiv ist.Diese Schaltfläche funktioniert nicht. Aber: Ich komme langsam zur Ansicht, daß dieses Problem irgendwie mit dem Upgrade von Windows 8 auf 8.1 zusammenhängt. Da funktionieren einige andere Programme ebenfalls nicht: Photo Director, Gmail Notifier Pro. Ich habe deswegen beim HP (Gerätehersteller, auf dessen PC (neu gekauft vor 3 Wochen) Windows 8 und Photo Director vorinstalliert war. Ein Techniker hat mir das upgrade (8.1) gemacht und ich entdecke täglich was Neues, was nicht richtig funktioniert. Also bei HP (Servicepunkt für Zypern, wo ich lebe, befindet sich in Griechenland) sagte mir, daß alles am Windows 8.1 liegt und ich sollte zum Windows 8 zurückkehren. Der große Kenner behauptete auch, daß Open Office sei ein Microsoft Produkt. I Ich habe auch Microsoft in Nicosia (Servicepunkt für Zypern) gesprochen. Die nette Dame meinte, daß es in der Tat eventuell am Windows 8.1 liegen würde, weil es noch nicht ganz ausgereift sei. Ich will mich diese Tage Schlau machen und Microsoft in USA anrufen. Leider funktioniert der Serviceknopf zu dem Service nicht (!!!), und so muß ich mir Microsoft skypen und sie bitten mich anzurufen. Mal sehen, was die zu sagen haben. Ach, wo sind die guten Zeiten des Microsoft Office unter Windows XP... Da hatte ich keine Probleme dieser Art... Gruß aus Zypern Tamar Somogyi
Re: Eifügen fehlende Pictograme i.d. Taskleiste
Ja ... windows 8.1 und die anderen. Ich habe mittlerweile bei ca. 20 Studentinnen an unserem Fachbereich Ubuntu installiert, und dann hören die Probleme auf. Ich selbst bin seit mehreren Jahren weg von Windows. Auf einem 5 Jahre altem iMac habe ich mittlerweile ebenfalls Ubuntu installiert. Alles problemlos. LG, Dave 2014-05-15 15:11 GMT+02:00 T. Somogyi t.somo...@gmail.com: Nochmals: Ich schreibe etwas und möchte z.B. eine Buchstabe oder ein Befehl rückgängig machen. Ich kann aber die Schaltfläche Rückgängig nicht betätigen, weil sie grau und inaktiv ist.Diese Schaltfläche funktioniert nicht. Aber: Ich komme langsam zur Ansicht, daß dieses Problem irgendwie mit dem Upgrade von Windows 8 auf 8.1 zusammenhängt. Da funktionieren einige andere Programme ebenfalls nicht: Photo Director, Gmail Notifier Pro. Ich habe deswegen beim HP (Gerätehersteller, auf dessen PC (neu gekauft vor 3 Wochen) Windows 8 und Photo Director vorinstalliert war. Ein Techniker hat mir das upgrade (8.1) gemacht und ich entdecke täglich was Neues, was nicht richtig funktioniert. Also bei HP (Servicepunkt für Zypern, wo ich lebe, befindet sich in Griechenland) sagte mir, daß alles am Windows 8.1 liegt und ich sollte zum Windows 8 zurückkehren. Der große Kenner behauptete auch, daß Open Office sei ein Microsoft Produkt. I Ich habe auch Microsoft in Nicosia (Servicepunkt für Zypern) gesprochen. Die nette Dame meinte, daß es in der Tat eventuell am Windows 8.1 liegen würde, weil es noch nicht ganz ausgereift sei. Ich will mich diese Tage Schlau machen und Microsoft in USA anrufen. Leider funktioniert der Serviceknopf zu dem Service nicht (!!!), und so muß ich mir Microsoft skypen und sie bitten mich anzurufen. Mal sehen, was die zu sagen haben. Ach, wo sind die guten Zeiten des Microsoft Office unter Windows XP... Da hatte ich keine Probleme dieser Art... Gruß aus Zypern Tamar Somogyi
Re: Suggestion.
On 14/5/14 at 12:17 PM, j...@jt-mj.net (Julian Thomas) wrote: As a longtime Star office and now OO user, I am new to styles. I'd still like to see some helpful information on how to get started with styles (better than 'my pets' and 'my cats'; [I tried those tutorials and they didn't work very well for me]) and a reference. Sorry I can't help Julian, I have found no tutorials at all. I'm used to learning by reading the manual and then lots of trial and error, and after investing many hours doing just that, I have found that using styles can save some time with complex documents. (I write and translate books, so using styles was forced on me by my editors, a dozen years ago or so. As of today, I am still sort of unsure what amount of time I have *effectively* saved by learning how to use styles - but I was given no option, and now that I've grown accustomed to styles, it's possible I am starting to save time. Twelve years, and many books down the track! :] ) To those who chimed in to justify styles: it is quite obvious to me that you are missing the point. For starters, it sounds like you don't really know WordPerfect, and imagine Reveal codes to be something other than it was. But more basically, OpenOffice is for people like Julian and me. If people like me and Julian put forward a suggestion, it should be the programmer's job to consider it from the user's perspective... or shouldn't it?? Again, I would like to say thank you to those who give their time for free to build and improve OpenOffice. This includes those who put forward useful suggestions from the user's perspective :-) marina --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
Julian Thomas wrote: As a longtime Star office and now OO user, I am new to styles. I'd still like to see some helpful information on how to get started with styles (better than 'my pets' and 'my cats'; [I tried those tutorials and they didn't work very well for me]) and a reference. We are preparing new documentation under the Apache License here: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Writer/Styles Feel free to review and improve it. If you need a wiki account, just ask here (this applies to everybody on this list, of course). Regards, Andrea. --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
On 14/5/14 at 4:12 AM, bbyfi...@axion.net (Bruce Byfield) wrote: On Wednesday 14 May 2014 05:29:45 PM Brian Barker wrote: At 23:38 14/05/2014 +1000, Marina Tadiello wrote: In general, and from a user's perspective, Styles are one example of how common users are encouraged (or forced? :-) to think (program) and behave like computers. Yes, manual formatting is available. But using it is kind of perverse, because it means doing more work than necessary, and cutting yourself off from important features. Mh, this really depends. Here's how I describe manual formatting in the introduction to the book I'm in the middle of completing: Office suites are as old as the personal computer. Yet, after more than thirty years, few of us have bothered to learn how to use them. Oh, we have learned how to get things done in them. Most of us can format a document and print it out, after a fashion. But what we haven't learned is to do these things efficiently, taking advantage of all the tools that are available. It is as if we have learned enough about cars to go down hill in them and coast across level ground, but never learned about the ignition. We get things done, but with more effort and less efficiency that we should. Some tasks, like going uphill, we don't imagine are even possible because of our limited view. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm simply asking that user perspective is taken into consideration at least as much as the programmer's own. The starting point ought always to be that computers are there to aid humans. And not all humans take to computing as well as programmers do. It's just obvious to me - why should it sound so strange to programmers? :-) Also, your comments do not address the main point in my message, which was about revealing codes for document options that go beyond plain styling. marina --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Please remove me from the email list. thank you.
Don't you need us, or don't we need you? Have a nice day. 2014-05-08 7:49 GMT+08:00 Misty Day timesmith...@att.net: On 2014-05-06 18:30, Misty Day wrote: -- Kind Regards, Misty Day 714-982-2619 www.timesmithing.webstarts.com Skype: misty.day.c.a.p.
Re: not working version of OO4.1.0
Under Windows you need to end the soffice.bin and / or soffice.exe processes before you can install or uninstall OpenOffice. On 14-5-2014 22:02, Maurice Dorscheidt wrote: Hello, I am getting a bit :o . I downloaded the newest version of OO 4.1.0 because the older version said: new update available. since I have downloaded the new file NOTHING works any more. I can not install OO because of a fail 1316 some windownsinstaller file for Open Office401msi will not work. tried to uninstall the older version and clean my PC. Can not uninstall due to the same failure? please help! I need OO for school and have to write some reports. my time is running out and Open Office worked always and I used it with great pleasure but now it gives me a lot of anger and frustration. Maybe it is just a minor thing I have overlooked, but I do know what to do now. kind regards, Maurice from Sweden P.S you can answer in swedish, english or dutch
Re: not working version of OO4.1.0
At 14:02 14/05/2014 +0200, Maurice Dorscheidt wrote: I am getting a bit :o . I downloaded the newest version of OO 4.1.0 because the older version said: new update available. since I have downloaded the new file NOTHING works any more. I can not install OO because of a fail 1316 some windows installer file for Open Office401msi will not work. tried to uninstall the older version and clean my PC. Can not uninstall due to the same failure? There is nothing wrong with the version of OpenOffice; instead, something has become corrupt in your Windows installation that is preventing installation or removal. Windows Installer error 1316 tends to happen if your system is restarted or powered off when a previous installation was incomplete. You may need local expert help to put things right with your PC before you can successfully install and use your new version of OpenOffice. Here are a few things to try: o Remember to restart your system whenever prompted to, as well as before and after using some of these techniques. o Do you remember when you first tried to update the product? Use Windows' System Restore facility to return your system to a checkpoint before the problem occurred. You will now get back to your previous version of OpenOffice and can - at your leisure - remove this and carry out the new installation correctly. o Is your current download corrupt? Delete the downloaded installation file (not the installed program itself). Go to the web site (www.openoffice.org) and download a new copy of the current version. Try the installation again. o Go to Control Panel and attempt use the proper technique to remove any versions of OpenOffice listed there. o Where is your downloaded copy of the new version? If it is not on your PC's hard drive, copy it there. Restart your system and try the installation again. o If all this fails, go to http://support.microsoft.com/mats/Program_Install_and_Uninstall and run the Microsoft Program Install and Uninstall troubleshooter. Follow the instructions carefully. Restart your system and try the installation again. I trust this helps. Brian Barker --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Second attempt to send
X May 15, 2014 Dear Ms/Mr? Carson, (at car...@wistly.net) IF YOU CAN THINK OF ANY EARTHLY EXCUSE NOT TO REPLY TO THIS LETTER, PLEASE DO SO. Thank you very much for your prompt, and comprehensible, response to my take-a-chance query. It was very reassuring -- unfortunately (for you), it also emboldens me to refine my questions/fears more specifically. Please pardon the imposition of some history but it may serve to specify more exactly my dilemma/uncertainty. I am a retired physician (Internal Medicine, for 50 years) whose hobby has long been crosswords. Since 1986 (when I first began constructing puzzles, I have had over 700 published in every medium conceivable here in the USA) In my early constructing days, there was (to me, at least) no computer stuff available. I would lay out a page with my ruler, fill in the black squares with pencil and then start constructing. It was a real pain because the necessary changes as the construction proceeded would make holes in the paper -- and that meant starting on another sheet. All this was exceeded in frustration only by the drudgery of typing clues in one column, solutions in another -- and then finding one had to retype the whole thing because of a skipped clue/solution.(I have never learned to type so it's always hunt-and-peck for me). Then the manuscript was snail-mailed to my various editors. All this changed when an astrophysicist (I believe) (in England somewhere) came up with his crossword puzzle constructing software. It is expensive but all my editors want it used. No snail mail, at all, to anyone. You enter his program and start to work. You can put the black squares anywhere you want, delete them easily, put them elsewhere, etc. etc. (It's an extremely complex program doing all kinds of multi-national puzzles diagrams, etc. I only use the basic American section.) Now the specific specifics: I use the computer to type in the letters for the puzzle words, change black squares, etc. Then I choose (still in his program) Clues and I make up my definitions, type them in, erase them. etc. in a wonderfully less drudgery manner. I have no idea what his mechanisms are for any of this stuff. Nor would I be capable of comprehending them. I just do them, Then, when the puzzle is finished and ready to be attached to my e-mail to the editor, I call up the puzzle on my flash drive. My big time editors (at Simon and Schuster, Dell, etc) also have that same program installed so all I have to do is attach my puzzle icon to the e-mail and it gets there intact somehow. BUT, some of the local newspapers and magazines who publish my stuff are not in the crossword puzzle business. They are publishing tons of other stuff and have no reason to fork over money for the program. This was the solution arrived at after many trial and error failures::Call up the puzzle on the flash drive. (By now it is already a creature of the program because it was constructed in that program) Go to file, then export in his program. For some editors, I then switch from whatever appears on the screen to picture. I select Jpeg and now export the puzzle, in its changed form, back to my flash drive, ready to be attached to my e-mail to the editor. I do this twice: once for the GRID page and once for the SOLUTION page. Other editors want these 2 things in PDF (whatever that means) rather than picture. The program easily allows for both the GRID and SOLUTION pages to be so prepared. At last: the problem: (Up until last week, when I downloaded Open Office --a freebie -- so that I could access my many Word documents from my XP machine. ((I now have a Dell Inspiron tabletop and Windows 8.1) all that I am about to describe went smoothly both when I had Word on my XP and for the 3 months I had only WordPad on my 8.1. I would call up from my flash drive the puzzle, switch from picture or PDF, choose plain text and only CLUES from the File section of the program. For the non-big-time editors, I then have to call up CLUES and modify/correct it to the extent that I have to type in the formal name of the puzzle and the name of the constructor (me) both at top and bottom. I save it and now all is ready to be attached to the e-mail BUT, BUT, last week, when I clicked on clues (to put in the puzzle title and my name), for the first time ever a screen came up called ASCII Filter Options. It had 3 properties: Character set: Arabic (ISO-8859-6) Default fonts: Times New Roman (I use Arial 10) and Language: English (USA). At the bottom of this screen was: Paragraph break: CR LF were highlighted while CR and LF by themselves were not highlighted. When I said OK, a new screen opened. It was called Open Office 4.0.1 These words now appeared: This document may contain formatting or
Re: Suggestion.
On Thursday 15 May 2014 06:03:34 PM mt wrote: I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm simply asking that user perspective is taken into consideration at least as much as the programmer's own. So far as I'm concerned, anything that saves me time and effort is taking my perspective as a user into consideration. Also, your comments do not address the main point in my message, which was about revealing codes for document options that go beyond plain styling. I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you give an example of options that go beyond plain styling? -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Jim McLaughlin jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com wrote: What fascinates me is that other than the three defender's of OO orthodoxy regarding styles ve. alternative methods, like a WP reveal codes approach, the overwhelming majority of posters appear to desire the WP/Corel Reveal Codes option to the very steep learning curve of the styles approach. It is all a matter of where you want to spend your time. Those who prefer to spend it up front go with styles. Those who don't prefer embedded codes. Those who prefer embedded codes rarely realize just how much time they are wasting at the back end on every document, or how much time they could be saving overall by learning how to use, and then using styles. Of course, it is not exactly as simple as this. Personally, I learned of and how to use the style model back in 1987 when I learned LaTeX as that was the only way to drive the spiffy new DEC LN03 laser printer at my university. It was around that time when I replaced my Apple 2 with a 286 PC and quickly found WordPerfect absolutely horrid by comparison. To this day, I still prefer the semantic mark-up of LaTeX for text-based document. Sadly, as brutal as developing styles in TeX can be, developing styles in a GUI/WYSIWYG is really not all that much better -- at least from what I have seen from my casual investigation over the years. But another sad reality is that while anyone can put in the time and learn how to use styles, not everyone can learn how to produce an aesthetically pleasing design. That said, it then becomes clear that the proper workflow model is to have *one* person in an organization develop style sheets and then require everyone else to actually use them -- regardless of what software you are using. Sadly, this model seems to be rarely implemented. -p. --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Unable to Complete Registration
Dear Users: I have been unable to complete registration the the Open Office Community Forum. I have registered under the name Bindyi, at address bin...@icloud.com. I cannot reregister because the email address is in use, but the link to complete registration does not reach my email inbox. I have requested that the registration key be resent, which the site said it did, but I had my inbox open in an adjacent farm, and no message arrived. The online advice given was to contact a forum moderator, but i do not know who they are. My problem with Open Office is that when in Text, and I start a numbered list, it works OK until 9, but for 10 and subs, it inserts a tab space after each number, which I cannot get rid of. Kindly send instructions, as to how I may complete registration. Robert
Re: Suggestion.
On 05/14/2014 10:17 PM, Julian Thomas wrote: On 14 May 2014, at 09:38, mt m...@lockedbags.org wrote: While I have learned how to (use and) appreciate the Styles features, I agree that not everything in every given text document is prone to being styled. As a longtime Star office and now OO user, I am new to styles. I'd still like to see some helpful information on how to get started with styles (better than 'my pets' and 'my cats'; [I tried those tutorials and they didn't work very well for me]) and a reference. jt --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org Chapter 6 and 7 of the Writer Guide available at this link: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide --Dan --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion
At 18:03 15/05/2014 +1000, Marina Tadiello wrote: I'm simply asking that user perspective is taken into consideration at least as much as the programmer's own. The starting point ought always to be that computers are there to aid humans. And not all humans take to computing as well as programmers do. It's just obvious to me - why should it sound so strange to programmers? :-) Come, come: this is entirely a straw man! No-one writing user software fails to take users and their humanity into account - and you do the very kind developers of OpenOffice (with whom, for the avoidance of doubt, I have no connection) a serious disservice by suggesting that they do. The styles you deplore are surely designed with users and their needs in mind, not with any convenience of programming. Your desire for the software to be user-friendly is of course spot on, but your conclusion that this end is provided by reveal codes is totally wrong. It's interesting that you failed to reply to my earlier comments (not that you have any responsibility to do so, of course) and that you excised my comments from the message to which you did reply (though unhelpfully leaving my name in). What should we deduce from this: that my suggestions were so much to the point that you cannot fault them?! Since you are still asking for a low-level approach to word processing on the pretext of wanting a high-level approach, it may be worth exercising the argument further. There are three possible reasons, I suggest, for wanting reveal codes. 1. The first is that you actually want to be able to see *how* the program works - in other words, you are a geek and want to think like a programmer, not like a true user. There is nothing wrong with that: it's like the person who buys a new gadget and wants - before s/he uses it - to take it apart and see not how to use it but how it actually works. This person, when they look at a car with the prospect of buying it, does not sit in the driving seat and get the feel of the controls, but instead opens the bonnet and starts fiddling with the engine components. You claim not to be this person, but you nevertheless ask to see the innards of the program. 2. The second possibility is that you are dissatisfied with the way that OpenOffice (in particular, Writer) displays the structure (as distinct from the appearance) of any document. You perhaps inherit a document from elsewhere and need to know how to modify it as you need. For that, you need to be able to see its structure. I have to say that I cannot disagree with such a suggestion! In case anyone doesn't know what I mean, let me give a simple example. Suppose you have two similar-looking tables with one immediately following the other - with no intervening element, that is. There is no easy way to see immediately that you have two tables and not just one, longer table. But the two cases behave differently, and you need to know which you have in order to be able to handle the document efficiently. (Yes, there are ways to see which you have, but they are indirect and not very obvious.) The solution to this, though, is to improve the display of document structure, not to ask to look inside the program. If you need to know when your car is low on fuel, you ask for a fuel gauge on the dashboard, not an external dipstick on the fuel tank. 3. When you revealed codes in Word Perfect, you could, I think, tinker with them: you could edit the codes directly, deleting one here and entering a new one there. Indeed, I think that was their purpose: Word Perfect would sometime get itself in a twist and end up with inconsistent tags in a document - and the solution offered by its developers was to show the user the internal workings of the program and insist that they tinkered with them to achieve what was necessary. In this way, they were insisting that users (temporarily?) became programmers, not (as you seem to think) the other way about. But as soon as you allow users to *modify* any such tags, you immediately lose the integrity of the tags: it's just as easy to delete one tag of a pair and leave the other or to add an unbalanced tag or to insert a misspelled one as to do something meaningful. Word Perfect offered a facility for you to sort out its mistakes, but what you are asking for is a recipe for users' creating confused and incorrect documents. It's perhaps also worth saying that the idea of reveal codes implies the existence of such codes in the first place. In other words, you are assuming that the internal model of the program labels the structure through tags - as a mark-up language does. But this is only one way for programs and documents to behave - and many don't. Do you know the best way? My ideal word processor would not be at all wysiwyg; instead it would concentrate on displaying plain text with all the structure of the document. You would not see the appearance of the
Re: Rory Server Failure
I got impatient - how do I resubscribe to the list? Thank you Jack Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2014 17:21:00 -0700 Robert Palmer bin...@icloud.com wrote: Dear Users: I have been unable to complete registration the the Open Office Community Forum. I have registered under the name Bindyi, at address bin...@icloud.com. I cannot reregister because the email address is in use, but the link to complete registration does not reach my email inbox. I have requested that the registration key be resent, which the site said it did, but I had my inbox open in an adjacent farm, and no message arrived. The online advice given was to contact a forum moderator, but i do not know who they are. My problem with Open Office is that when in Text, and I start a numbered list, it works OK until 9, but for 10 and subs, it inserts a tab space after each number, which I cannot get rid of. Kindly send instructions, as to how I may complete registration. Robert Due to a server failure there is backlog which was 9 million emails, but which is now down to a couple of million; your response is probably still in that backlog. I'm seeing a lag of 8-10 hours on some of my emails through that server, which is probably controlled by a push-down stack - list in, first out. The problem with the numbered list is that the first tab is set too close to the digits. When one goes over 9, the indent jumps to the next tab. The answer is simple - adjust the first tab to be a little bigger, or simple delete it, so that the numbering, be it 1-9 or 10-99, uses the second (now become the first) tab.
Re: Saving word processor text:
On Thu, 15 May 2014 08:40:08 -0400 Michael mmassar...@comcast.net wrote: When I save my work in the Open Office word processor it becomes distorted. I use win 7 Home Edition. What could be the possible cause for this. I can save Open Office templates and other work, just not the word processor text. Please respond ASAP. Thank You! We need more information. In what format are you saving. What sort of distortion? -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Unable to Complete Registration
On Wed, 14 May 2014 17:21:00 -0700 Robert Palmer bin...@icloud.com wrote: Dear Users: I have been unable to complete registration the the Open Office Community Forum. I have registered under the name Bindyi, at address bin...@icloud.com. I cannot reregister because the email address is in use, but the link to complete registration does not reach my email inbox. I have requested that the registration key be resent, which the site said it did, but I had my inbox open in an adjacent farm, and no message arrived. The online advice given was to contact a forum moderator, but i do not know who they are. My problem with Open Office is that when in Text, and I start a numbered list, it works OK until 9, but for 10 and subs, it inserts a tab space after each number, which I cannot get rid of. Kindly send instructions, as to how I may complete registration. Robert Due to a server failure there is backlog which was 9 million emails, but which is now down to a couple of million; your response is probably still in that backlog. I'm seeing a lag of 8-10 hours on some of my emails through that server, which is probably controlled by a push-down stack - list in, first out. The problem with the numbered list is that the first tab is set too close to the digits. When one goes over 9, the indent jumps to the next tab. The answer is simple - adjust the first tab to be a little bigger, or simple delete it, so that the numbering, be it 1-9 or 10-99, uses the second (now become the first) tab. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OPENOFFICE USERS LIST -- PLEASE READ
Thanks. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: The Apache mailing lists have been down due to a hardware failure. More information can be found on the ASF Infrastructure blog here: https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/mail_outage If you are reading this note that means that the lists are back up (yeah!) and the queued up list traffic is now being delivered. When this happens, expect some confusion, including: 1) List subscribers surprised or confused by the sudden surge of traffic as the queued up emails are delivered. 2) Some requests to unsubscribe because of 1) above. 3) Some repeat emails from people who didn't get a response to their original posts because the lists were down. Some of them may be irate. 4) Some test emails from people trying to figure out why their email was not coming through. So it will be messy Let's not make this messier than it is. Consider this note (and the linked blog post) to be an adequate response to anyone asking about the mail outage. I'd recommend focusing on any backed up product support questions. Thanks for your patience and understanding! Regards, -Rob, Your Friendly List Moderator --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Reduce, Repair, Reuse, Recycle
Re: Link a cell in spreadsheet to a folder in 'my docs'
On 12/05/2014 Bentalls Bracknell wrote: Is it possible to change a cell to a button and link to a folder in 'my docs' please? To link to a folder, use Insert - Hyperlink and use file:/// as target. You can then refine it to specify the exact folder. You can probably turn this into a button following the same pattern, but it is simpler to use a normal hyperlink. Regards, Andrea. --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice mac
On 12/05/2014 mt wrote: On 8/5/14 at 7:33 PM, der_...@rocketmail.com (der_ron) wrote: Please could you make new releases available on mac osx 10.6? 10.6 is 5 years old ... Is there somewhere an explanation of what older Mac users are missing out on? It is a purely technical choice we had to make to take advantage of 64-bit Mac OS X applications and avoid the dependency on now deprecated build tools. It was discussed at length on the dev list, since it was clear that we needed to drop support for older Mac OS X releases in order to better support the newer ones. See https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122301 and the Release Notes https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes for more information. It is unlikely that support for Mac OS X 10.6 or earlier is restored in future; to be precise, it is considered to be a huge task and not worth the effort; but if volunteers show up who can either port OpenOffice 4.1.0 to older Mac OS X systems or provide extended support/bugfixes port for version 4.0.1 on older Mac OS X systems, they will be welcome. Regards, Andrea. --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: not working version of OO4.1.0
On Wed, 14 May 2014 14:02:30 +0200 Maurice Dorscheidt fam.barbap...@hotmail.se wrote: Hello, I am getting a bit :o . I downloaded the newest version of OO 4.1.0 because the older version said: new update available. since I have downloaded the new file NOTHING works any more. I can not install OO because of a fail 1316 some windownsinstaller file for Open Office401msi will not work. tried to uninstall the older version and clean my PC. Can not uninstall due to the same failure? please help! I need OO for school and have to write some reports. my time is running out and Open Office worked always and I used it with great pleasure but now it gives me a lot of anger and frustration. Maybe it is just a minor thing I have overlooked, but I do know what to do now. kind regards, Maurice from Sweden P.S you can answer in swedish, english or dutch Possible solutions at this site http://www.error1316.com/ If no success post to https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
Thinking on, all of the attributes of a style are listed in one of the organizer tab in the 'paragraph style' dialog, which would seem to go quite some way towards meeting the needs of those who liked the reveal codes feature. (It is accessible on a mac by control clicking in the style concerned, then selecting 'edit paragraph style... ' from the menu. Presumably a left (?) click on other operating systems.) Maybe if this were more readily accessible via the drop down menus and an icon (neither seem to exist at present) and the facility flagged up prominently in help, including an entry titled 'reveal codes', this would help to keep folk happy? More generally, am not sure the 'blame the user' approach which seems to be developing in this thread is constructive or conducive with community. Better we recognise that there is going to be a very wide diversity of abilities, opinions and ways of working amongst 100 million plus users, respect those, allow for flexibility where that can be reasonably achieved, and aim for a simple and intuitive user interface without the need for steep learning curves where they can possibly be avoided. - Original Message - From: Brian Barker Sent: 05/14/14 05:29 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Suggestion. At 23:38 14/05/2014 +1000, Marina Tadiello wrote: In general, and from a user's perspective, Styles are one example of how common users are encouraged (or forced? :-) to think (program) and behave like computers. It's perhaps worth pointing out that the truth is diametrically opposite to this claim! Users who ask to reveal codes are asking to look at the inner workings of the program and to see how (they perceive that) it and the computer actually work. Developers who offer facilities such as styles are allowing users to use programs and computers in the way *the users* think, not how the machinery does. If you want, say, a paragraph to be indented, you want the paragraph indented, pure and simple. And that's what styles allow you to say. If you prefer the codes, you need to say Start indenting the text from this point onwards and separately Stop the indenting of text that you have been practising up to now. That's the way programs and computers may need to think, but it i s not the way real users do naturally. Have you ever been asked to double-space a document? Probably. Has anyone ever asked you instead to set double spacing at the beginning of the document and then turn it off at the end? Of course not: that's not how people think and speak! This is not necessarily the best way to ensure user satisfaction. 1. Remember that local formatting is still available: no-one is forced to use styles. 2. Many users are most satisfied using a word processor as if it were a typewriter. Their satisfaction should not be allowed to limit the advancement of software and facilities that can be appreciated by others. Brian Barker --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Fwd: not working version of OO4.1.0
As your not subscribed you will not see any of the responses you question. Original Message Subject:not working version of OO4.1.0 Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 14:02:30 +0200 From: Maurice Dorscheidt fam.barbap...@hotmail.se Reply-To: users@openoffice.apache.org To: users@openoffice.apache.org Hello, I am getting a bit :o . I downloaded the newest version of OO 4.1.0 because the older version said: new update available. since I have downloaded the new file NOTHING works any more. I can not install OO because of a fail 1316 some windownsinstaller file for Open Office401msi will not work. tried to uninstall the older version and clean my PC. Can not uninstall due to the same failure? please help! I need OO for school and have to write some reports. my time is running out and Open Office worked always and I used it with great pleasure but now it gives me a lot of anger and frustration. Maybe it is just a minor thing I have overlooked, but I do know what to do now. kind regards, Maurice from Sweden P.S you can answer in swedish, english or dutch
Re: PASSWORD CHANGE
Le 07/05/2014 00:50, Kay Schenk a écrit : On 05/06/2014 03:24 PM, JOSEPH A. BUDRECKI JR wrote: HELLO I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CHANGE MY PASSWORD AND CAN'T GET INTO A LINK TO DO THIS . IS THERE ANY HELP AVAILABLE FOR THIS . JAB What system does this password apply to? For the record, you've an account in the forum (username = joebud). Click the forgotten password link to get a reactivation link. As a courtesy I have sent a copy of this reply to you as well as to the mailing list. Do Not reply to me personally but just to the list at users@openoffice.apache.org - replies to my personal email address will be ignored. Since you are not subscribed to this list you may not see all the replies to your query. To subscribe Apache OpenOffice mailing lists go to http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html NB: this is more a message for the users mailing list than for the devs. For user support you can also use The OpenOffice.org Community Forum https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ Regards, Hagar --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: not working version of OO4.1.0
Hello, The message says: failure 1316 and due to this I can not uninstall the older version of OO4.0.1 due to the same error I can not install the newest version 4.1.0 I tried to uninstall but it requests the missing 401.msi. I don't know what to do? Maurice Carson Chittom skrev 15-5-2014 0:55: Maurice Dorscheidt fam.barbap...@hotmail.se writes: I am getting a bit :o . I downloaded the newest version of OO 4.1.0 because the older version said: new update available. since I have downloaded the new file NOTHING works any more. I understand that you're frustrated, but NOTHING works is not a summary of your problem(s) that enables us to help you. What are you trying to do? What is OpenOffice doing when you do that? What error message (if any) do you see? What operating system is this on? (Seems like Windows from what's in your message, but it never hurts to ask.) I can not install OO because of a fail 1316 some windownsinstaller file for Open Office401msi will not work. tried to uninstall the older version and clean my PC. What does the error message say? What error to you get when you try to uninstall the older version? Can you install/uninstall other software? --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: not working version of OO4.1.0
Google 401.msi The msi extension is a Microsift Installer file. I found a series of conversations back in November, 2013 regarding 401.msi errors for OO with a purported link to a file source to fix thise errors. Following is what I found: *openoffice401*.*msi* download - 2sharedhttp://www.2shared.com/file/4iqcHDSx/openoffice401.html www.2shared.com/file/4iqcHDSx/openoffice*401*.html Nov 13, 2013 - Here you can download file *openoffice401*. 2shared gives you an excellent opportunity to store your files here and share them with others. There are a whole lot more references to 401.msi on Google, but I'm not going to look at all of them since I'm not having the problem. You might want to Google 401.msi yourself. IF YOU DOWNLOAD A FILE FROM THE WILD, BE SURE YOUR ANTIVIRUS PROTECTIONS ARE WORKING, and examine the download carefully for trojans, virii,, and other nastiness before installing it anywhere. I had a similar issue with an HP printer which wanted a TrayApp.msi. That is an HP written installer file for a feature for my HP printer. I felt safer with a file from HP, but still ran it through Kaspersky before using it. The .msi from HP did solve my printer issue. I have no idea if the 401.msi out there in the wild will solve your OO issue. If you do try the 401.msi, please let us all know what happens. Good luck. On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Maurice Dorscheidt fam.barbap...@hotmail.se wrote: Hello, The message says: failure 1316 and due to this I can not uninstall the older version of OO4.0.1 due to the same error I can not install the newest version 4.1.0 I tried to uninstall but it requests the missing 401.msi. I don't know what to do? Maurice Carson Chittom skrev 15-5-2014 0:55: Maurice Dorscheidt fam.barbap...@hotmail.se writes: I am getting a bit :o . I downloaded the newest version of OO 4.1.0 because the older version said: new update available. since I have downloaded the new file NOTHING works any more. I understand that you're frustrated, but NOTHING works is not a summary of your problem(s) that enables us to help you. What are you trying to do? What is OpenOffice doing when you do that? What error message (if any) do you see? What operating system is this on? (Seems like Windows from what's in your message, but it never hurts to ask.) I can not install OO because of a fail 1316 some windownsinstaller file for Open Office401msi will not work. tried to uninstall the older version and clean my PC. What does the error message say? What error to you get when you try to uninstall the older version? Can you install/uninstall other software? --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Problem with impress
Please try 'Character Map' in 'System Tools' in 'Accessories' in Windows start menu. Character Map can put much more characters into your file than keyboard. 2014-05-03 20:52 GMT+08:00 Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com: At 19:23 03/05/2014 +0700, René or Brigit Noname wrote: In Impress I can not found this icon [pilcrow] for display not printable sign. How can activate them? I don't think you can. You could copy any text and paste it into a text (Writer) document, which will then display some of what you need: you could spot double spaces, paragraph breaks, inappropriate tabs, and so on. This may (or may not) be a workaround. Here's another trick: you can search for non-printing characters using [:cntrl:] . This will discover some such characters in a presentation, but not all. You can also search for tabs using \t - and so on. I trust this helps. Brian Barker --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
On Wed, 14 May 2014, Brian Barker wrote:
[...]
Have you ever been asked to double-space a document? Probably. Has anyone
ever asked you instead to set double spacing at the beginning of the document
and then turn it off at the end? Of course not: that's not how people think
and speak!
[sorry for snipping so much context!]
I probably don't grasp your idea here but there's nothing unhuman
about being asked to set double-spacing from one spot in a document to
another (or more plausibly, to indent from here to there).
of course this is a very good use for styles. I use both styles and
direct formatting ('like a typewriter') according to my needs and
purposes though since 'default formatting' is itself a 'style', I
guess one always uses styles.
not directed at you specifically but I see no need to be dogmatic; I'm
happy enough with using these tools to fit my needs but I definitely
would love it if 'reveal codes' were possible as I've run across
situations where there's a bit of code 'stuck' somewhere doing devilry
and it's hard to find. cutting and pasting in again without formatting
is clumsy.
F.
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Re: Suggestion.
This has been a very interesting thread. It has also been the single most posted to thread I've seen in the six or so months I've been a subscrber to this group. What fascinates me is that other than the three defender's of OO orthodoxy regarding styles ve. alternative methods, like a WP reveal codes approach, the overwhelming majority of posters appear to desire the WP/Corel Reveal Codes option to the very steep learning curve of the styles approach. Food for thought. If the programmers behind OO want to provide a word processor which will attract users, and avoid the very high costs of the MJKS or Corel products, those programmers might want to seriously consider the efficacy of providing what the users who have expressed an opinion appear to want, rather tahn take the ...my way or the highway... approach expresseed here so far. Not trying to start a pissing contest. Just pointing out what the admittedly unscientifif opinion sample in this thread has so far shown. Is there a technical reason why a Corel/WP Reveal Codes function can not be implemented in 5.x.x? On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 05/14/2014 02:12 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: On Wednesday 14 May 2014 05:29:45 PM Brian Barker wrote: At 23:38 14/05/2014 +1000, Marina Tadiello wrote: In general, and from a user's perspective, Styles are one example of how common users are encouraged (or forced? :-) to think (program) and behave like computers. Yes, manual formatting is available. But using it is kind of perverse, because it means doing more work than necessary, and cutting yourself off from important features. Here's how I describe manual formatting in the introduction to the book I'm in the middle of completing: Office suites are as old as the personal computer. Yet, after more than thirty years, few of us have bothered to learn how to use them. Oh, we have learned how to get things done in them. Most of us can format a document and print it out, after a fashion. But what we haven't learned is to do these things efficiently, taking advantage of all the tools that are available. It is as if we have learned enough about cars to go down hill in them and coast across level ground, but never learned about the ignition. We get things done, but with more effort and less efficiency that we should. Some tasks, like going uphill, we don't imagine are even possible because of our limited view. I, being an enemy of styles, in general, explain myself thusly: I probably never write anything more than three pages long. I am not writing a book. I don't have chapters. I don't use bulletted lists, altho I might if bullets were easier to use _without_ styles! I don't have Front Pages or whatever chapter heads are called in fancy books. I don't have chapters at all, so I don't need pages that end in the middle before going on with my text. I don't even indent paragraphs, but if I wanted to, it would be no big deal to push the tab key. (Actually, most word-processors have a format command that would do that for me, if I wanted it.) And since I don't write books, or edit them or publish them, i don't need a desktop publisher, which is what _I_ think OO/LO are aiming to be. On the other hand, if I needed a desktop publisher, and didn't want to or could not afford to purchase a professional one, I would certainly look at the possibility of learning and using OO/LO. From what I read in these lists, that would be a real possibility. Someone who is willing to spend the time to actually write a book can probably afford the time to learn desktop publishing. One more thing: I am not in any way trying to dissuade anyone from learning OO/LO, if that's what they want. I am, however, pointing out that it is hardly worth the effort for the average memo writer, letter writer, or even article writer. It would be like a numismatist learning metallurgy! I rest my case. --doug --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
openoffice4.1.0
Dear sir, I had upgrade the version of open office 4.1.0, after installed it when I open the old file, somethings can't run as the same before, example the company head address, how can I do to fit it properly, thank you for your attention. --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
On Thursday 15 May 2014 09:03:13 PM Jim McLaughlin wrote: the overwhelming majority of posters appear to desire the WP/Corel Reveal Codes option Really? I don't mean to be contentious, but I didn't see an overwhelming majority on either side. If the programmers behind OO want to provide a word processor which will attract users, and avoid the very high costs of the MJKS or Corel products, those programmers might want to seriously consider the efficacy of providing what the users who have expressed an opinion appear to want, rather tahn take the ...my way or the highway... approach expresseed here so far. All major office suites, including WordPefect, are most efficient when styles are used. OpenOffice Writer is an extreme example of using styles, but that's also what makes it so powerful. And for some people, like the writers of technical manuals, styles are absolutely essential for their work. Writer does allow you to format manually, if you really insist. In fact, some innovations, such as the sidebar, chiefly aid manually formatting. However, I would hate, for example, to create a table of contents without heading styles; I would have to go through the entire document and create each entry one at a time, instead of having them ready to use when I want the TOC. But you can only accommodate people's unwillingness to learn or to help themselves so far. You wouldn't expect to sit down and play a game without learning how it was structured, so why would you expect to do so with an office suite? Beyond a certain point, people have to help themselves. If people don't want to learn how to use Writer the way it was designed, they might be better off with some simpler tool. AbiWord might be a good choice for such people; it's one of the few word processors I know that might be said to be oriented towards manual formatting. Is there a technical reason why a Corel/WP Reveal Codes function can not be implemented in 5.x.x? See my previous post about past discussions of the subject. One potential problem is that unlike WordPerfect, OpenOffice doesn't store information in a single file. An OpenOffice file is really a collection of several compressed files. Under these circumstances, a Reveal Code feature is not impossible, but it is more complicated than in WordPerfect. It means another way for files to corrupt as information passes back and forth between the actual files and the Reveal Code Screen, and would be high maintenance, since every new feature would require revisions to it. I don't speak for anyone except myself. However, given that there is a lot to do already with maintaining and cleaning the aging code, I doubt that developers would make Reveal Codes a high priority unless there was a lot more enthusiasm that has been shown so far. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:12 AM, mt m...@lockedbags.org wrote: To those who chimed in to justify styles: it is quite obvious to me that you are missing the point. For starters, it sounds like you don't really know WordPerfect, and imagine Reveal codes to be something other than it was. I can't speak for the others, but as someone who worked helpdesk support in the days of WordPerfect 4.2 I am well aware of what reveal codes does. Fixing peoples fubared documents in reveal codes what 90% of that job. If your word processor requires reveal codes to fix formatting issues it is fundamentally flawed in other ways. The proper fix is *not* to add reveal codes, but rather to address the fundamental problems directly so that reveal codes is not necessary in the first place. -p. --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
But more basically, OpenOffice is for people like Julian and me. If people like me and Julian put forward a suggestion, it should be the programmer's job to consider it from the user's perspective... or shouldn't it?? On 16 May 2014, at 03:12, mt m...@lockedbags.org wrote: Sorry I can't help Julian, I have found no tutorials at all. I'm used to learning by reading the manual and then lots of trial and error, and after investing many hours doing just that, I have found that using styles can save some time with complex documents. As I said earlier, I'm struggling with styles [since it seems to be the way to go, I need to get up to speed] but need something more than 'my pets' and 'my cats' - particularly with regard to list formatting [mixing numbered lists and bulleted subitems under the numbered items; this has always been a major hassle without styles]. curmedgeon on Features without good documentation are barely usable. /curmedgeon off jt --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Suggestion.
On 05/16/2014 09:29 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If people don't want to learn how to use Writer the way it was designed, they might be better off with some simpler tool. Notepad? ;-) --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
