Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[jonathon]

On August 24, 2014 12:29:48 AM PDT, mt  wrote:
>I really don't understand why these scams, and spam with them, 
>aren't "necessarily and sufficiently" addressed by the 
>appropriate authorities.

These are extremely low priority for enforcement agencies.

To put that inyo perspective, consider that law enforcement don't send in a 
forensic team to investigate a robbery, unless the value of the stolen items is 
greater than US$250,000. Furthermore, if the value of the stolen items is under 
US$100,000, law enforcement will not open a case. On a good day, you might get 
enough paperwork from them, to file an insurance claim.

jonathon

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Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[James Knott]

On 08/24/2014 03:29 AM, mt wrote:
> I really don't understand why these scams, and spam with them, aren't
> "necessarily and sufficiently" addressed by the appropriate authorities.

They often are.  But in many cases the scam is operated from a different
country, where the appropriate authorities don't have jurisdiction.

There was recently one case in my area where someone was arrested for
selling fake concert and sports tickets on line.  But he was selling
them in the same country as he lived in and therefor within reach.



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Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[mt]

I really don't understand why these scams, and spam with them, 
aren't "necessarily and sufficiently" addressed by the 
appropriate authorities.


Isn't there suitable legislation to combat fraud? Shouldn't 
elected politicians be accountable for ensuring fair business 
practices on the Internet?


Seems to me each of us has holds equal responsibility in this, 
and expecting that others (Apache/OpenOffice) act in our stead 
is yet another way to support scammers and spammers.


(ops - off my soapbox now!)

marina


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Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[Alexandro Colorado]

That is how reputation work, is not illegal to give negative reviews
to products. Specially products that respond to enable free ways of
distribution like ours.

However the bigger picture is not whenever if there exist or not
negative reviews (I am sure Firefox and Linux have their own share).
But whenever the industry as a whole recomend OpenOffice which is what
marketing should be all about.

Instead we have a half death marketing list, there is currently no
campaign for the 4.1.1 launch. No preparation for a "back to school"
or seasonal message we want to transmit and is not like we are
actively looking to give conferences and/or participate with industry
journalists on the IT field.

So in a sense we are doing next to none job on pushing our brand, and
instead we are ranting about relatively small scams.

To your point, we could use an international number even if its just a
recording directing people to use the mailing list for further
interactions.

On 8/22/14, jonathon  wrote:
> On 8/22/2014 10:01 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
>> Well, does this site have any good reputation?
>
> This site, like its competitors, thrives on _negative reviews_. Reviews
> that might be objectively factual. Correcting the negative impression
> that they leave, is part of the business model.
>
> I don't know how a US based organization can obtain standing in England,
> to file a lawsuit against another US based organization. :(
> The reason for filing the lawsuit, would be to remove the misleading
> review.
>
> On an equally dis-encouraging note, negative reviews crop up on a number
> of sites, usually with even less apparent justification as this one,
> but, as happened here, the review is for a completely different
> product/service.
>
> Countering the negative reviews, is an arduous process of education.
>
> jonathon
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Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[jonathon]

On 8/22/2014 10:01 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Well, does this site have any good reputation? 

This site, like its competitors, thrives on _negative reviews_. Reviews
that might be objectively factual. Correcting the negative impression
that they leave, is part of the business model.

I don't know how a US based organization can obtain standing in England,
to file a lawsuit against another US based organization. :(
The reason for filing the lawsuit, would be to remove the misleading review.

On an equally dis-encouraging note, negative reviews crop up on a number
of sites, usually with even less apparent justification as this one,
but, as happened here, the review is for a completely different
product/service.

Countering the negative reviews, is an arduous process of education.

jonathon
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Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[NoOp]

On 08/22/2014 10:01 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> It seems the scams never end:
>> 
>> "Open Office/Apache Presented themselves as Microsoft IT techs and sold
>> me Open Office and set up service for 79.99 a one time permanent
>> lifetime charge Internet"
>> That is from 2012, but someone from AOO might want to submit a rebuttle
>> just to clear the record.
> 
> Well, does this site have any good reputation? At a first look, the site 
> itself seems a ripoff, meant to sell their "Reputation fixing" solutions 
> to businesses...
> 
> As for the report, of course OpenOffice has nothing to do with these 
> episodes; we blogged about it multiple times; 
> http://s.apache.org/genuine-openoffice is the most relevant post.
> 
> I posted a paragraph on the site just to point out the above. Thanks for 
> suggesting it. The answer should go online after they review it.
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
> 

Thanks Andrea.



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Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[NoOp]

On 08/22/2014 10:07 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> Any relatively knowledgable user of FLOSS would dispute this report in
> no time. Just by the way this report is worded it clearly have no clue
> how open source works or even present evidence of this from our
> website.

Right, but it's not the relatively knowledgeable user (of anything) that
falls for these scams. So I think it's a good idea to add a rebuttal so
that the average user won't fall for the same. Might be a good idea to
do a generic search engine sweep every other month to spot these. I know
it's like herding cats, but perhaps we can catch the the most blatant
ones & lop of their tails (figuratively speaking).

Gary


> 
> On 8/22/14, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> It seems the scams never end:
>>> 
>>> "Open Office/Apache Presented themselves as Microsoft IT techs and sold
>>> me Open Office and set up service for 79.99 a one time permanent
>>> lifetime charge Internet"
>>> That is from 2012, but someone from AOO might want to submit a rebuttle
>>> just to clear the record.
>>
>> Well, does this site have any good reputation? At a first look, the site
>> itself seems a ripoff, meant to sell their "Reputation fixing" solutions
>> to businesses...
>>
>> As for the report, of course OpenOffice has nothing to do with these
>> episodes; we blogged about it multiple times;
>> http://s.apache.org/genuine-openoffice is the most relevant post.
>>
>> I posted a paragraph on the site just to point out the above. Thanks for
>> suggesting it. The answer should go online after they review it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>Andrea.
>>
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Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[Alexandro Colorado]

Any relatively knowledgable user of FLOSS would dispute this report in
no time. Just by the way this report is worded it clearly have no clue
how open source works or even present evidence of this from our
website.

On 8/22/14, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> It seems the scams never end:
>> 
>> "Open Office/Apache Presented themselves as Microsoft IT techs and sold
>> me Open Office and set up service for 79.99 a one time permanent
>> lifetime charge Internet"
>> That is from 2012, but someone from AOO might want to submit a rebuttle
>> just to clear the record.
>
> Well, does this site have any good reputation? At a first look, the site
> itself seems a ripoff, meant to sell their "Reputation fixing" solutions
> to businesses...
>
> As for the report, of course OpenOffice has nothing to do with these
> episodes; we blogged about it multiple times;
> http://s.apache.org/genuine-openoffice is the most relevant post.
>
> I posted a paragraph on the site just to point out the above. Thanks for
> suggesting it. The answer should go online after they review it.
>
> Regards,
>Andrea.
>
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Re: AOO Ripoffreport

[Andrea Pescetti]

NoOp wrote:

It seems the scams never end:

"Open Office/Apache Presented themselves as Microsoft IT techs and sold
me Open Office and set up service for 79.99 a one time permanent
lifetime charge Internet"
That is from 2012, but someone from AOO might want to submit a rebuttle
just to clear the record.


Well, does this site have any good reputation? At a first look, the site 
itself seems a ripoff, meant to sell their "Reputation fixing" solutions 
to businesses...


As for the report, of course OpenOffice has nothing to do with these 
episodes; we blogged about it multiple times; 
http://s.apache.org/genuine-openoffice is the most relevant post.


I posted a paragraph on the site just to point out the above. Thanks for 
suggesting it. The answer should go online after they review it.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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AOO Ripoffreport

[NoOp]

It seems the scams never end:


"Open Office/Apache Presented themselves as Microsoft IT techs and sold
me Open Office and set up service for 79.99 a one time permanent
lifetime charge Internet"

That is from 2012, but someone from AOO might want to submit a rebuttle
just to clear the record.



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