[users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-04 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 02.12.2010 17:07, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-12-01 19:51:00 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Spreadsheets are not intended to do such things (hey, they name it
Calc).


Sorry, didn't think about that. So the next time I want to watch a movie
with my COMPUTER, I'd better forget about it and buy a DVD instead,
watching it with my DVD player connected to my TV. Or maybe I should go
to the cinema instead. A computer should only be used for computing, right?



Don't be foolish, please. Without DVD-capable player software and a set 
of adequate video codecs your computer can not play DVDs, let alone 
movie editing.



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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-04 Thread Johnny Rosenberg

Den 2010-12-04 12:26:43 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Am 02.12.2010 17:07, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-12-01 19:51:00 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Spreadsheets are not intended to do such things (hey, they name it
Calc).


Sorry, didn't think about that. So the next time I want to watch a movie
with my COMPUTER, I'd better forget about it and buy a DVD instead,
watching it with my DVD player connected to my TV. Or maybe I should go
to the cinema instead. A computer should only be used for computing,  
right?




Don't be foolish, please. Without DVD-capable player software and a set  
of adequate video codecs your computer can not play DVDs, let alone  
movie editing.


There is external equipment for that too. Or was a couple of decades ago.

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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-03 Thread Mike Scott

On 02/12/2010 16:07, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-12-01 19:51:00 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Spreadsheets are not intended to do such things (hey, they name it
Calc).


Sorry, didn't think about that. So the next time I want to watch a movie
with my COMPUTER, I'd better forget about it and buy a DVD instead,
watching it with my DVD player connected to my TV. Or maybe I should go
to the cinema instead. A computer should only be used for computing, right?

Or we could think that development is actually a good thing, in some
aspects.



Within limits.

In this case, as someone High Up has decided that pictures are a good 
idea, IMO the facility should behave rationally and predictably. It 
doesn't, which is fair ground for complaint.



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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-03 Thread Johnny Rosenberg

Den 2010-12-03 09:13:46 skrev Mike Scott m...@scottsonline.org.uk:


On 02/12/2010 16:07, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-12-01 19:51:00 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Spreadsheets are not intended to do such things (hey, they name it
Calc).


Sorry, didn't think about that. So the next time I want to watch a movie
with my COMPUTER, I'd better forget about it and buy a DVD instead,
watching it with my DVD player connected to my TV. Or maybe I should go
to the cinema instead. A computer should only be used for computing,  
right?


Or we could think that development is actually a good thing, in some
aspects.



Within limits.


Unfortunately people always compare with Excel, and if OpenOffice.org Calc  
can't do something that Excel can, they are often unlikely to switch to  
OpenOffice.org. I am not sure if the focus should be on satisfying earlier  
Excel users or trying to develop unique (and good) stuff for  
OpenOffice.org, that Excel lacks, but what can be added that isn't there  
in OpenOffice.org Calc or MS Excel already?





In this case, as someone High Up has decided that pictures are a good  
idea, IMO the facility should behave rationally and predictably. It  
doesn't, which is fair ground for complaint.




And since I did (when writing a bug report), those who agree with me could  
vote for it and hopefully something nice could happen…


:)

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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-02 Thread Johnny Rosenberg

Den 2010-12-01 19:51:00 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:

Spreadsheets are not intended to do such things (hey, they name it  
Calc).


Sorry, didn't think about that. So the next time I want to watch a movie  
with my COMPUTER, I'd better forget about it and buy a DVD instead,  
watching it with my DVD player connected to my TV. Or maybe I should go to  
the cinema instead. A computer should only be used for computing, right?


Or we could think that development is actually a good thing, in some  
aspects.


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[users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-01 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 01.12.2010 17:06, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


No, only to a cell or a page. Remember this is OpenOffice.org Calc, not
OpenOffice.org Writer.



And by far more important: it is not OpenOffice.org Base where you can 
store things like catalog data (including pictures as cell values) and 
create catalogues by means of the Oracle Report Builder AddOn.



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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-01 Thread Johnny Rosenberg

Den 2010-12-01 18:45:14 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Am 01.12.2010 17:06, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


No, only to a cell or a page. Remember this is OpenOffice.org Calc, not
OpenOffice.org Writer.



And by far more important: it is not OpenOffice.org Base where you can  
store things like catalog data (including pictures as cell values) and  
create catalogues by means of the Oracle Report Builder AddOn.


Yes, but I am not used to OpenOffice.org Base.

Still, no matter if there are better ways or not, I think this is a bug.  
Why anchor to a cell if the image won't follow sort? And, as far as I  
heard, Excel can do this… (but I can't use Excel since Excel lacks the  
most important feature: Multi operating system support).




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[users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-01 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 01.12.2010 19:11, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-12-01 18:45:14 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Am 01.12.2010 17:06, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


No, only to a cell or a page. Remember this is OpenOffice.org Calc, not
OpenOffice.org Writer.



And by far more important: it is not OpenOffice.org Base where you can
store things like catalog data (including pictures as cell values)
and create catalogues by means of the Oracle Report Builder AddOn.


Yes, but I am not used to OpenOffice.org Base.

Still, no matter if there are better ways or not, I think this is a bug.
Why anchor to a cell if the image won't follow sort? And, as far as I
heard, Excel can do this… (but I can't use Excel since Excel lacks the
most important feature: Multi operating system support).





Well, that was a problem even with cell annotations until 2.3(?) where 
it has been fixed. This kind of problem seems to be very hard to fix for 
other shapes.
Spreadsheets are not intended to do such things (hey, they name it 
Calc). Pictures are meant to be decorative or explanatory in respect 
to the sheet, not in respect to contained database data.
Excel is the one and only spreadsheet program which encourages its users 
to misuse it as a database. Millions of users did even learn VBA to make 
this dream come true with devastating consequences for the overall 
busines IT.
In the forum topic you linked in the issue report, there is another 
hyperlink to a hyperlink solution. Simply store a file name together 
with some descriptive name and compose a hyperlink by means of a formula.



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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-01 Thread Gene Young

On 12/1/2010 1:11 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


Why anchor to a cell if the image won't follow sort? And, as far as I
heard, Excel can do this… (but I can't use Excel since Excel lacks the
most important feature: Multi operating system support).



Perhaps it is simply a matter of the cell staying put and the data 
contained therein is moved.  Anchor an image to cell B6, then sort the 
sheet.  Cell B6 is still B6.  It may be as simple as that.


Only the programmers know for sure  maybe.
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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-01 Thread Rob Clement

On 01/12/2010 18:51, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 01.12.2010 19:11, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-12-01 18:45:14 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Am 01.12.2010 17:06, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


No, only to a cell or a page. Remember this is OpenOffice.org Calc, not
OpenOffice.org Writer.



And by far more important: it is not OpenOffice.org Base where you can
store things like catalog data (including pictures as cell values)
and create catalogues by means of the Oracle Report Builder AddOn.


Yes, but I am not used to OpenOffice.org Base.

Still, no matter if there are better ways or not, I think this is a bug.
Why anchor to a cell if the image won't follow sort? And, as far as I
heard, Excel can do this… (but I can't use Excel since Excel lacks the
most important feature: Multi operating system support).





Well, that was a problem even with cell annotations until 2.3(?) where
it has been fixed. This kind of problem seems to be very hard to fix for
other shapes.
Spreadsheets are not intended to do such things (hey, they name it
Calc). Pictures are meant to be decorative or explanatory in respect
to the sheet, not in respect to contained database data.
Excel is the one and only spreadsheet program which encourages its users
to misuse it as a database. Millions of users did even learn VBA to make
this dream come true with devastating consequences for the overall
busines IT.
In the forum topic you linked in the issue report, there is another
hyperlink to a hyperlink solution. Simply store a file name together
with some descriptive name and compose a hyperlink by means of a formula.


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Johnny

I assume from what you are saying that the text and the picture are in 
the same cell. Am I correct?


what happens if you put the text in one cell and the picture in the next 
cell in the same row and then sort on both columns? Does it move then?


Sorry if this is a dumb question

Rob

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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-01 Thread Johnny Rosenberg

Den 2010-12-01 20:50:20 skrev Rob Clement r...@robbev.com:


On 01/12/2010 18:51, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 01.12.2010 19:11, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-12-01 18:45:14 skrev Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de:


Am 01.12.2010 17:06, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

No, only to a cell or a page. Remember this is OpenOffice.org Calc,  
not

OpenOffice.org Writer.



And by far more important: it is not OpenOffice.org Base where you can
store things like catalog data (including pictures as cell values)
and create catalogues by means of the Oracle Report Builder AddOn.


Yes, but I am not used to OpenOffice.org Base.

Still, no matter if there are better ways or not, I think this is a  
bug.

Why anchor to a cell if the image won't follow sort? And, as far as I
heard, Excel can do this… (but I can't use Excel since Excel lacks the
most important feature: Multi operating system support).





Well, that was a problem even with cell annotations until 2.3(?) where
it has been fixed. This kind of problem seems to be very hard to fix for
other shapes.
Spreadsheets are not intended to do such things (hey, they name it
Calc). Pictures are meant to be decorative or explanatory in respect
to the sheet, not in respect to contained database data.
Excel is the one and only spreadsheet program which encourages its users
to misuse it as a database. Millions of users did even learn VBA to make
this dream come true with devastating consequences for the overall
busines IT.
In the forum topic you linked in the issue report, there is another
hyperlink to a hyperlink solution. Simply store a file name together
with some descriptive name and compose a hyperlink by means of a  
formula.



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Johnny

I assume from what you are saying that the text and the picture are in  
the same cell. Am I correct?


what happens if you put the text in one cell and the picture in the next  
cell in the same row and then sort on both columns? Does it move then?


That was what I did. There is no text in the cell where I put the Image.



Sorry if this is a dumb question


Not at all.



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Re: [users] Re: Images in OpenOffice.org Calc

2010-12-01 Thread Mike Scott

On 01/12/2010 19:44, Gene Young wrote:

On 12/1/2010 1:11 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


Why anchor to a cell if the image won't follow sort? And, as far as I
heard, Excel can do this… (but I can't use Excel since Excel lacks the
most important feature: Multi operating system support).



Perhaps it is simply a matter of the cell staying put and the data
contained therein is moved. Anchor an image to cell B6, then sort the
sheet. Cell B6 is still B6. It may be as simple as that.


Except that if you anchor a picture to a cell, then insert a row above, 
the picture moves down alaong with the cell and its other contents. 
Inconsistent behaviour however you look at it.




Only the programmers know for sure maybe.


You reckon?


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