Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

- Original Message -
> From: "David Jaša" 
> To: "Malini Rao" 
> Cc: "users" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:05:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> 
> Hi Malini,
> 
> Malini Rao píše v St 06. 11. 2013 v 16:53 -0500:
> > Hey David,
> > 
> > Your questions are valid and reasonable and we should have good
> > answers for these. However, what I shared with you guys for now is a
> > pure skinning update to give a airier and more modern look. The
> > skinning has been updated to match exactly with what exists today...
> > so the labels are not going to be wider, rows are not taller etc.
> > Therefore any problems that exist today will exist in the new design
> > as well.
> 
> OK, I'm fine with that. I have also already commented on this in my
> first reply.
> 
> > The minimalist skinning and design strategy will generally improve the
> > visual clutter issues to a certain extent. But this is not to say this
> > is the sum total of the purpose of this exercise. This skinning update
> > proposal is a starting point to then begin thinking of examining other
> > aspects that have a deeper usability/ user experience impact including
> > responsive design etc.
> 
> My wish wrt width is something much more humble than responsive design.
> I just wish that the design doesn't break (items don't hide or reorder)
> when something goes wrong. Current design preserves look at the expense
> of functionality in such cases which is IMO wrong. The ideal is
> responsive design - to maintain functionality while adjusting look to
> the device - but when that ideal is not feasible (which is not currently
> without the overhaul you mention below), it's better to maintain
> functionality... Maybe the attached screenshot tells more than my text
> above.

David, we are working on the design for a temp fix for this as we speak so that 
access to functionality is not lost. Basically, it is a overflow mechanism to 
get to the tabs and toolbar icons that are currently inaccessible when the 
situation such as the one in your screenshot occurs. I think short of 
responsive design and/or reconsideration of the information architecture for 
Ovirt, this is the best short term way of dealing with this.


> 
> > We should also look across the application and check for consistency
> > in interaction patterns - so things just don't look consistent but
> > behave consistently as well.
> > 
> > So, if we want to start generating a laundry list of UI overhaul
> > items, that will be great.
> 
> Please do remember these once you start planning such bigger rework.
> 
> > But again, the scope of this initial exercise is very limited. This
> > skinning exercise too will likely roll out in phases and we may start
> > with the bigger and more static elements first and then move into the
> > details.
> > 
> > I know I didn't answer your specific questions but only because they
> > are not impacted by this design any more than the current design. Hope
> > this makes sense.
> 
> Sure and thanks for reply.
> Cheers,
> 
> David
> 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Malini
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "David Jaša" 
> > To: "Malini Rao" 
> > Cc: "users" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:46:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> > 
> > Hi Malini,
> > 
> > I hope my feedback is not too late. There is a big thumb up on the design,
> > while the current design certainly is not bad, this is way better!
> > 
> > 
> > I'd like to hear though if some of current deficiencies are addressed:
> > 
> > 1) how does design cope with increased tab/button width (by ui plugins) or
> > reduced viewport width? Current way is overflow with hidden elements or
> > artifacts - not cool
> > 
> > 2) at what minimum font size will the design break?
> > 
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Malini Rao píše v Po 14. 10. 2013 v 13:06 -0400:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a
> > > fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> > > Your feedback and input is invited.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > Malini
> > > ___
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> > > Users@ovirt.org
> > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> > 
> 
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[David Jaša]

Hi Malini,

Malini Rao píše v St 06. 11. 2013 v 16:53 -0500:
> Hey David, 
> 
> Your questions are valid and reasonable and we should have good
> answers for these. However, what I shared with you guys for now is a
> pure skinning update to give a airier and more modern look. The
> skinning has been updated to match exactly with what exists today...
> so the labels are not going to be wider, rows are not taller etc.
> Therefore any problems that exist today will exist in the new design
> as well. 

OK, I'm fine with that. I have also already commented on this in my
first reply.

> The minimalist skinning and design strategy will generally improve the
> visual clutter issues to a certain extent. But this is not to say this
> is the sum total of the purpose of this exercise. This skinning update
> proposal is a starting point to then begin thinking of examining other
> aspects that have a deeper usability/ user experience impact including
> responsive design etc. 

My wish wrt width is something much more humble than responsive design.
I just wish that the design doesn't break (items don't hide or reorder)
when something goes wrong. Current design preserves look at the expense
of functionality in such cases which is IMO wrong. The ideal is
responsive design - to maintain functionality while adjusting look to
the device - but when that ideal is not feasible (which is not currently
without the overhaul you mention below), it's better to maintain
functionality... Maybe the attached screenshot tells more than my text
above.

> We should also look across the application and check for consistency
> in interaction patterns - so things just don't look consistent but
> behave consistently as well. 
> 
> So, if we want to start generating a laundry list of UI overhaul
> items, that will be great. 

Please do remember these once you start planning such bigger rework.

> But again, the scope of this initial exercise is very limited. This
> skinning exercise too will likely roll out in phases and we may start
> with the bigger and more static elements first and then move into the
> details.
> 
> I know I didn't answer your specific questions but only because they
> are not impacted by this design any more than the current design. Hope
> this makes sense.

Sure and thanks for reply.
Cheers,

David

> 
> Thanks
> Malini
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: "David Jaša" 
> To: "Malini Rao" 
> Cc: "users" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:46:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> 
> Hi Malini,
> 
> I hope my feedback is not too late. There is a big thumb up on the design, 
> while the current design certainly is not bad, this is way better!
> 
> 
> I'd like to hear though if some of current deficiencies are addressed:
> 
> 1) how does design cope with increased tab/button width (by ui plugins) or 
> reduced viewport width? Current way is overflow with hidden elements or 
> artifacts - not cool
> 
> 2) at what minimum font size will the design break?
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> Malini Rao píše v Po 14. 10. 2013 v 13:06 -0400:
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh 
> > and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> > Your feedback and input is invited.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Malini 
> > ___
> > Users mailing list
> > Users@ovirt.org
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> 

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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Hey David, 

Your questions are valid and reasonable and we should have good answers for 
these. However, what I shared with you guys for now is a pure skinning update 
to give a airier and more modern look. The skinning has been updated to match 
exactly with what exists today... so the labels are not going to be wider, rows 
are not taller etc. Therefore any problems that exist today will exist in the 
new design as well. The minimalist skinning and design strategy will generally 
improve the visual clutter issues to a certain extent. But this is not to say 
this is the sum total of the purpose of this exercise. This skinning update 
proposal is a starting point to then begin thinking of examining other aspects 
that have a deeper usability/ user experience impact including responsive 
design etc. We should also look across the application and check for 
consistency in interaction patterns - so things just don't look consistent but 
behave consistently as well. 

So, if we want to start generating a laundry list of UI overhaul items, that 
will be great. But again, the scope of this initial exercise is very limited. 
This skinning exercise too will likely roll out in phases and we may start with 
the bigger and more static elements first and then move into the details.

I know I didn't answer your specific questions but only because they are not 
impacted by this design any more than the current design. Hope this makes sense.

Thanks
Malini




- Original Message -
From: "David Jaša" 
To: "Malini Rao" 
Cc: "users" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:46:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

Hi Malini,

I hope my feedback is not too late. There is a big thumb up on the design, 
while the current design certainly is not bad, this is way better!


I'd like to hear though if some of current deficiencies are addressed:

1) how does design cope with increased tab/button width (by ui plugins) or 
reduced viewport width? Current way is overflow with hidden elements or 
artifacts - not cool

2) at what minimum font size will the design break?


David



Malini Rao píše v Po 14. 10. 2013 v 13:06 -0400:
> Hi all, 
> 
> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh 
> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> Your feedback and input is invited.
> 
> Thanks
> Malini 
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[David Jaša]

Hi Malini,

I hope my feedback is not too late. There is a big thumb up on the design, 
while the current design certainly is not bad, this is way better!


I'd like to hear though if some of current deficiencies are addressed:

1) how does design cope with increased tab/button width (by ui plugins) or 
reduced viewport width? Current way is overflow with hidden elements or 
artifacts - not cool

2) at what minimum font size will the design break?


David



Malini Rao píše v Po 14. 10. 2013 v 13:06 -0400:
> Hi all, 
> 
> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh 
> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> Your feedback and input is invited.
> 
> Thanks
> Malini 
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Thanks everyone for an enthusiastic response of the Look and feel proposal to 
update Ovirt. I am glad that overall the reaction is positive. Here is a 
summary of what I heard from you all as suggestions for improvement -

Feedback on L&F for Ovirt

- Push back on simplistic icons for communicative value and subjective 
preference + familiarity with existing
- Too much space for resource graphs ( percentage columns on console screen)
- Colors
---Evaluate the choice of greens in the load bars ( too big and too bright and 
attention getting for something that is supplementary info), the unselected 
icons and the green line in masthead. 
--- The shades of blue and green don't seem to go very well together - Evaluate 
for cohesion/ harmony and readability.
- How will the User portal look in the new style?
- On Console, the tabs recede and the toolbar dominates
- Same x is used for remove and cancel migrate  - confusing
- The tabs/ sub tabs now don't look like tabs - It now looks just like text.. 
Should be recognizable as tabs or Nav items. 
- Make sure 1064x768 resolution is not worse than it is today in new design
- Primary info in the grid should stand out and not drown in all the noise.


New ideas/ features ( Not in scope for now)

Sparklines to give us some sense of recent history for each row
Column customization/ column sorting
Reducing bottom pane with details
Better treatment of Events
Low resolution layouts/ usability issues
Responsive design

Please let me know if I misunderstood anything or if I missed anything 
significant. I will work with the visual designers and incorporate some of 
these suggestions and present another iteration.

Thanks
Malini

- Original Message -
From: "Federico Alberto Sayd" 
To: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt


> Hi Malini,
> > From the L&F perspective it looks much better.
> What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using.
> This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we
> should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where
> L&F may have a big impact.
>
> Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?
>
Responsive web design[1] could be the answer and a nice feature.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design

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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Rene, the column widths are not prescriptive in the mockup and the current 
percentages can be maintained in the new design as well. Reducing information 
overload is a very valid point but outside the scope of this discussion which 
is primarily visual. I agree that it contributes to the overall look and feel 
of the page but is a separate effort from the development point of view. 

Your points on the colors are all noted and we will iterate.

Thanks
Malini

- Original Message -
From: "René Koch (ovido)" 
To: "Itamar Heim" 
Cc: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:21:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 20:22 -0400, Itamar Heim wrote:
> On 10/15/2013 04:36 AM, Frank Wall wrote:
> > Hi Malini,
> >
> > On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:
> >> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to
> >> give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> >> Your feedback and input is invited.
> >
> > I think your proposal looks way better than the current
> > oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement.
> >
> > Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat
> > bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information
> > at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful.
> >
> > Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true
> > if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an
> > in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further:
> >
> > - Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview
> > - Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this
> > - Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for
> > anything
> > - Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these
> > details,
> >if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of
> > these,
> >I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific
> > datacenter
> >or Cluster to see specific details about it.
> >
> > I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt.
> > It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless
> > information.
> >

Rene, the column widths are not prescriptive in the mockup and the current 
percentages can be maintained in the new design as well. Reducing information 
overload is a very valid point but outside the scope of this discussion which 
is primarily visual. I agree that it contributes to the overall look and feel 
of the page but is a separate effort from the development point of view. 

> > The point is to show only *really* important information first (status,
> > usage),
> > and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view
> > specific
> > details.
> >
> > Remember, it's just my opinion :-)
> 
> as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel.
> please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to 
> see per main tab.

I'm of the same opinion as Frank (and others) - there should be an
option to remove/add columns to improve the look and feel. Focusing on
look and feel includes this discussion as well (imho) - not just colors.

The login screen posted by Malini looks really great - much better then
the actual one.

I also like the colors of the webadmin interface, but usability is
decreased (in the screenshot) compared with the old design. Let me
explain why:
When I click on Virtual Machines the most important information for me
is the name of a virtual machine, but it's not that easy to find the
name (Name column is smaller as Host, IP Address, Cluster and Data
Center).
If the Name would be bold (or in another color) and columns can be
removed it's much easier for me to find the right vm. Furthermore the
columns for Memory, CPU and Network are ways to big and the green is too
bright - this is just additional information which can be very useful
but shouldn't attract me too much. So I suggest to highlight the vm
names in some way and make the Name column the bigger then all other
(per default - users can resize it anyways).

The blue highlight of the tabs looks nice, but I fear many users will
not recognize these items as tabs.

As a conclusion: I like the new colors a lot, but a few adjustments are
needed to improve the usability.


Regards,
René


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Alissa, 

Thanks for the insightful suggestions. Some comments inline -

- Original Message -
> From: "Alissa Bonas" 
> To: "Malini Rao" 
> Cc: "users" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:15:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> 
> Hi Malini,
> 
> Really nice :)
> 
> Few comments:
> 1. The tabs now don't look like tabs, and IMHO it's confusing. It now looks
> just like text - is it a button? a tab? another screen. I think it's not
> clear. It is also less clear in the sub tabs section as well.

I think because I presented a static screen, it is not clear how this can 
function as tabs or categories/ sections of information. Upon hover and 
selection, the visual treatment will indicate that this is a Navigation option. 
Having said that, maybe we can try to strengthen the hover/ selected state 
visual treatment. 


> 2. How about making the tabs area Data Centers/Storage/Hosts... text in bold?
> Because the buttons under them look more vivid and the tabs area looks pale.

Will iterate with a visual designer on how these two elements can be further 
balanced.

> 3. Having the same "X" icon in "Remove" and "Cancel migration" options is
> confusing. Especially when they are in the same menu.

Good point. FYI, These icons were quick placeholders to get a quick overall 
impression of the new proposal.


> 4. Something that was present in the previous UI as well, but perhaps can be
> improved - the Events option.
> There are 3 "Events" buttons/menu in the same screen. Either they represent
> different events options (different context, for example) - and they should
> be named and placed accordingly, or maybe the number of "events" occurences
> can be reduced in the UI?

Again, this is something on my list too. But as indicated earlier, this 
proposal aims to freshen the current UI as is. 

> 5. The colors of the new look and feel - maybe try a different green? The
> blue seems to have a lighter shade than green, so perhaps somehow make them
> more unified?

Will iterate with visual designer.


> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Malini Rao" 
> > To: "users" 
> > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM
> > Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh
> > and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> > Your feedback and input is invited.
> > 
> > Thanks
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Thanks for the thumbs up Karli. These are sample screens and we should extend 
the updated look & feel to the user portal too for consistency. So more screens 
will have to be worked out. 



- Original Message -

From: "Karli Sjöberg"  
To: "Malini Rao"  
Cc: "users"  
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:10:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt 

mån 2013-10-14 klockan 13:06 -0400 skrev Malini Rao: 


Hi all, 

Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and 
modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF .
Your feedback and input is invited.

Thanks
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I think it looks great, big thumbs up! Do you also have plans for the 
UserPortal? 


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Federico Alberto Sayd]

Hi Malini,
> From the L&F perspective it looks much better.
What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using.
This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we
should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where
L&F may have a big impact.

Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?


Responsive web design[1] could be the answer and a nice feature.

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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Federico Alberto Sayd]

On 17/10/13 05:21, René Koch (ovido) wrote:

  green is too
bright - this is just additional information which can be very useful

+1 Also, I think that a softer green would look better


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Einav Cohen]

Thank you for your feedback.

We are tracking low resolution issues via the following BZs:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=818051
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832258

I agree that the new design should accommodate low resolutions.

I actually hope that we will be able to accommodate low resolutions 
even with the current look&feel, and then possibly apply the same 
solution to the new look&feel.

Please note that the new look&feel doesn't really introduce a new 
layout structure (which we'd might want to do as well at some point) - 
it is mainly about graphical improvements to the current layout 
structure.


Thanks,
Einav

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> From: "Gianluca Cecchi" 
> To: "Doron Fediuck" 
> Cc: "users" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:40:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> 
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Doron Fediuck  wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Malini Rao" 
> >> To: "users" 
> >> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM
> >> Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh
> >> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> >> Your feedback and input is invited.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Malini
> >
> > Hi Malini,
> > From the L&F perspective it looks much better.
> > What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using.
> > This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we
> > should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where
> > L&F may have a big impact.
> >
> > Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?
> >
> 
> +1 for this
> 
> As a side note, I have noticed that going from oVirt 3.2.3 to 3.3.0
> the horizontal needs are greater.
> For example refresh icon/button at the top right of the main admin
> portal is shown as a half row if window size is too small
> horizontally.
> And "Users" tab and "Events" are then shown on next line down.
> Also at 1176x885 is not good enugh.
> It works instead ok at 1280x1024 and 1366x768 both full screen; see link:
> In my opinion it should desirable to give chance to have a correct
> behavior at least at 1024x768.
> Using xwininfo it seems that the first size I get correct and complete
> horizontal layout is 1268 at the moment, using xwininfo on oVirt
> 3.3.0.
> Complete xwininfo output:
> 
> [g.cecchi@ope46 ~]$ xwininfo
> 
> xwininfo: Please select the window about which you
>   would like information by clicking the
>   mouse in that window.
> 
> xwininfo: Window id: 0x260007f "oVirt Engine Web Administration -
> Mozilla Firefox"
> 
>   Absolute upper-left X:  1
>   Absolute upper-left Y:  70
>   Relative upper-left X:  10
>   Relative upper-left Y:  40
>   Width: 1268
>   Height: 819
>   Depth: 24
>   Visual: 0x21
>   Visual Class: TrueColor
>   Border width: 0
>   Class: InputOutput
>   Colormap: 0x20 (installed)
>   Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity
>   Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity
>   Backing Store State: NotUseful
>   Save Under State: no
>   Map State: IsViewable
>   Override Redirect State: no
>   Corners:  +1+70  -97+70  -97-903  +1-903
>   -geometry 1268x819+-9+30
> 
> xprop gives instead:
> [g.cecchi@ope46 ~]$ xprop
> WM_STATE(WM_STATE):
> window state: Normal
> icon window: 0x0
> _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS(CARDINAL) = 1, 1, 32, 1
> _NET_WM_DESKTOP(CARDINAL) = 0
> _NET_WM_ALLOWED_ACTIONS(ATOM) = _NET_WM_ACTION_MOVE,
> _NET_WM_ACTION_RESIZE, _NET_WM_ACTION_FULLSCREEN,
> _NET_WM_ACTION_MINIMIZE, _NET_WM_ACTION_SHADE,
> _NET_WM_ACTION_MAXIMIZE_HORZ, _NET_WM_ACTION_MAXIMIZE_VERT,
> _NET_WM_ACTION_CHANGE_DESKTOP, _NET_WM_ACTION_CLOSE,
> _NET_WM_ACTION_ABOVE, _NET_WM_ACTION_BELOW
> _NET_WM_VISIBLE_ICON_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web
> Administration - Mozilla Firefox (on f18engine.mydomain)"
> _NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration -
> Mozilla Firefox (on f18engine.mydomain)"
> _NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) =
> WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
> Client accepts input or input focus: True
> Initial state is Normal State.
> bitmap id # to use for icon: 0x2600082
> bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0x2600083
> window id # of group leader: 0x261
> WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "browser"
> XdndAware(ATOM) = BITMAP
> _MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5,
> 0x0, 0x0, 0

Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Einav Cohen]

> > as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel.
> > please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to
> > see per main tab.
> 
> I'm of the same opinion as Frank (and others) - there should be an
> option to remove/add columns to improve the look and feel. 

Thank you for your feedback. 
we are tracking this feature via 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957600


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Gianluca Cecchi]

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Doron Fediuck  wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Malini Rao" 
>> To: "users" 
>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM
>> Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh
>> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
>> Your feedback and input is invited.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Malini
>
> Hi Malini,
> From the L&F perspective it looks much better.
> What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using.
> This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we
> should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where
> L&F may have a big impact.
>
> Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?
>

+1 for this

As a side note, I have noticed that going from oVirt 3.2.3 to 3.3.0
the horizontal needs are greater.
For example refresh icon/button at the top right of the main admin
portal is shown as a half row if window size is too small
horizontally.
And "Users" tab and "Events" are then shown on next line down.
Also at 1176x885 is not good enugh.
It works instead ok at 1280x1024 and 1366x768 both full screen; see link:
In my opinion it should desirable to give chance to have a correct
behavior at least at 1024x768.
Using xwininfo it seems that the first size I get correct and complete
horizontal layout is 1268 at the moment, using xwininfo on oVirt
3.3.0.
Complete xwininfo output:

[g.cecchi@ope46 ~]$ xwininfo

xwininfo: Please select the window about which you
  would like information by clicking the
  mouse in that window.

xwininfo: Window id: 0x260007f "oVirt Engine Web Administration -
Mozilla Firefox"

  Absolute upper-left X:  1
  Absolute upper-left Y:  70
  Relative upper-left X:  10
  Relative upper-left Y:  40
  Width: 1268
  Height: 819
  Depth: 24
  Visual: 0x21
  Visual Class: TrueColor
  Border width: 0
  Class: InputOutput
  Colormap: 0x20 (installed)
  Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity
  Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity
  Backing Store State: NotUseful
  Save Under State: no
  Map State: IsViewable
  Override Redirect State: no
  Corners:  +1+70  -97+70  -97-903  +1-903
  -geometry 1268x819+-9+30

xprop gives instead:
[g.cecchi@ope46 ~]$ xprop
WM_STATE(WM_STATE):
window state: Normal
icon window: 0x0
_NET_FRAME_EXTENTS(CARDINAL) = 1, 1, 32, 1
_NET_WM_DESKTOP(CARDINAL) = 0
_NET_WM_ALLOWED_ACTIONS(ATOM) = _NET_WM_ACTION_MOVE,
_NET_WM_ACTION_RESIZE, _NET_WM_ACTION_FULLSCREEN,
_NET_WM_ACTION_MINIMIZE, _NET_WM_ACTION_SHADE,
_NET_WM_ACTION_MAXIMIZE_HORZ, _NET_WM_ACTION_MAXIMIZE_VERT,
_NET_WM_ACTION_CHANGE_DESKTOP, _NET_WM_ACTION_CLOSE,
_NET_WM_ACTION_ABOVE, _NET_WM_ACTION_BELOW
_NET_WM_VISIBLE_ICON_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web
Administration - Mozilla Firefox (on f18engine.mydomain)"
_NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration -
Mozilla Firefox (on f18engine.mydomain)"
_NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) =
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
Client accepts input or input focus: True
Initial state is Normal State.
bitmap id # to use for icon: 0x2600082
bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0x2600083
window id # of group leader: 0x261
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "browser"
XdndAware(ATOM) = BITMAP
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5,
0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
_NET_WM_ICON(CARDINAL) = Icon (22 x 22):

[icons]

_NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST_COUNTER(CARDINAL) = 39846017
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0x2600080
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0x261
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 16689
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "en_US.utf8"
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "f18engine.mydomain"
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
program specified minimum size: 1 by 98
program specified maximum size: 32767 by 32767
window gravity: NorthWest
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS,
_NET_WM_PING, _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "Navigator", "Firefox"
WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox"
_NET_WM_ICON_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration -
Mozilla Firefox"
WM_NAME(STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox"
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox"


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Koch (ovido)]

On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 20:22 -0400, Itamar Heim wrote:
> On 10/15/2013 04:36 AM, Frank Wall wrote:
> > Hi Malini,
> >
> > On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:
> >> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to
> >> give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> >> Your feedback and input is invited.
> >
> > I think your proposal looks way better than the current
> > oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement.
> >
> > Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat
> > bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information
> > at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful.
> >
> > Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true
> > if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an
> > in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further:
> >
> > - Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview
> > - Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this
> > - Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for
> > anything
> > - Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these
> > details,
> >if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of
> > these,
> >I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific
> > datacenter
> >or Cluster to see specific details about it.
> >
> > I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt.
> > It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless
> > information.
> >
> > The point is to show only *really* important information first (status,
> > usage),
> > and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view
> > specific
> > details.
> >
> > Remember, it's just my opinion :-)
> 
> as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel.
> please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to 
> see per main tab.

I'm of the same opinion as Frank (and others) - there should be an
option to remove/add columns to improve the look and feel. Focusing on
look and feel includes this discussion as well (imho) - not just colors.

The login screen posted by Malini looks really great - much better then
the actual one.

I also like the colors of the webadmin interface, but usability is
decreased (in the screenshot) compared with the old design. Let me
explain why:
When I click on Virtual Machines the most important information for me
is the name of a virtual machine, but it's not that easy to find the
name (Name column is smaller as Host, IP Address, Cluster and Data
Center).
If the Name would be bold (or in another color) and columns can be
removed it's much easier for me to find the right vm. Furthermore the
columns for Memory, CPU and Network are ways to big and the green is too
bright - this is just additional information which can be very useful
but shouldn't attract me too much. So I suggest to highlight the vm
names in some way and make the Name column the bigger then all other
(per default - users can resize it anyways).

The blue highlight of the tabs looks nice, but I fear many users will
not recognize these items as tabs.

As a conclusion: I like the new colors a lot, but a few adjustments are
needed to improve the usability.


Regards,
René


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Doron Fediuck]

- Original Message -
> From: "Malini Rao" 
> To: "users" 
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM
> Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh
> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> Your feedback and input is invited.
> 
> Thanks
> Malini

Hi Malini,
>From the L&F perspective it looks much better.
What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using.
This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we
should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where
L&F may have a big impact.

Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?

Thanks,
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Vojtech Szocs]

- Original Message -
> From: "Martijn Grendelman" 
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:34:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > I like the modernized look, but imo it still misses the simplistic feel.
> > I've had a few people complain that it's hung their whole browser
> > because of the amount of javascript, I didn't proceed to question why
> > because they were VMware fan boys and I simply could never replicate it.
> 
> Yes, the admin portal's JavaScript hangs the browser frequently, at
> least on FF. On Chrome it happens less, but it still happens.

Well, the GUI was built with "browser as application platform" idea in mind so 
we assume users have a decent web browser, i.e. IE9+ or recent Firefox/Chrome.

Indeed, the technology/SDK we use for GUI (Google Web Toolkit) tends to 
generate lots of JavaScript. At the same time, GWT makes best attempt to 
produce optimized output and we make best attempt to lazy-load parts of the web 
application as the user clicks his (her) way through the GUI.

One major source of big JavaScript footprint is shared (Java) code between 
client and server. This is meant to go away as we plan to move GUI on top of 
REST API, replacing today's GWT RPC mechanism. So things might get better in 
future with regard to that.

Note that web browser's JavaScript/rendering engine performance is not 
everything, there are also things like browser plugins or HW specs that might 
slow things down.

> 
> Cheers,
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Martijn Grendelman]

Hi,

> I like the modernized look, but imo it still misses the simplistic feel.
> I've had a few people complain that it's hung their whole browser
> because of the amount of javascript, I didn't proceed to question why
> because they were VMware fan boys and I simply could never replicate it.

Yes, the admin portal's JavaScript hangs the browser frequently, at
least on FF. On Chrome it happens less, but it still happens.

Cheers,
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Andrew Lau]

I like the modernized look, but imo it still misses the simplistic feel.
I've had a few people complain that it's hung their whole browser because
of the amount of javascript, I didn't proceed to question why because they
were VMware fan boys and I simply could never replicate it.

One thing I really really found very annoying with the current UI was, the
amount of space the bottom frame took up. I often find myself using oVirt
while on my laptop. When scrolling through VMs, I can only see 5 lines max.

​Overall, definitely looks better!! Can't wait to show it off to those
VMware fan boys :)

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Itamar Heim  wrote:

> On 10/15/2013 08:50 AM, Ernest Beinrohr wrote:
>
>> Dňa 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote / napísal(a):
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a
>>> fresh and modern look 
>>> -http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_**LAF
>>> .
>>>
>>> Your feedback and input is invited.
>>>
>>>
>> Please add the possibility to customize the VM columns. Like adding
>> collumns for RAM, storage domain, disks summ etc. And sorting !
>>
>
> as malini mentioned, this focuses on the look and feel.
> please open a BZ to track the RFEs of (a) choosing columns, and (b)
> sorting.
>
> thanks,
>Itamar
>
>
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Itamar Heim]

On 10/15/2013 08:50 AM, Ernest Beinrohr wrote:

Dňa 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote / napísal(a):

Hi all,

Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and 
modern look -http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
Your feedback and input is invited.



Please add the possibility to customize the VM columns. Like adding
collumns for RAM, storage domain, disks summ etc. And sorting !


as malini mentioned, this focuses on the look and feel.
please open a BZ to track the RFEs of (a) choosing columns, and (b) sorting.

thanks,
   Itamar




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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Itamar Heim]

On 10/15/2013 04:36 AM, Frank Wall wrote:

Hi Malini,

On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:

Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to
give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
Your feedback and input is invited.


I think your proposal looks way better than the current
oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement.

Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat
bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information
at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful.

Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true
if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an
in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further:

- Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview
- Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this
- Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for
anything
- Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these
details,
   if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of
these,
   I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific
datacenter
   or Cluster to see specific details about it.

I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt.
It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless
information.

The point is to show only *really* important information first (status,
usage),
and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view
specific
details.

Remember, it's just my opinion :-)


as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel.
please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to 
see per main tab.





Ciao
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Frank Wall]

On 15.10.2013 11:06, Karli Sjöberg wrote:

- Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview
- Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me
about this


 Perhaps. But remember that "Shut down" and "Shutting down" actually
have the same icon. If the status column gets ditched, the icons need
to be more clear first, in my opinion.


Definitely. The icons need to be clear.



- Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for
anything


 We do. It´s really good information to have when you use a
centralized updating system like forcing updates and reboots through
puppet or WSUS. If you see that every VM has been rebooted after there
should have been updates except one, you know that VM probably is in
some kind of trouble.


I understand your need, but would rather choose a monitoring
solution to do the verify task. Especially when using a centralized
updating system I would try hard to avoid this manual verification
step. But I guess this is another story :-)


Ciao
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Ernest Beinrohr]

Dn(a 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote / napísal(a):

Hi all,

Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and 
modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
Your feedback and input is invited.



Please add the possibility to customize the VM columns. Like adding 
collumns for RAM, storage domain, disks summ etc. And sorting !



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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Juan Pablo Lorier]

Great, the look is nice, sharper and brighter and when times comes for
the functionality, I'll send my 2 cents :-)
Regards,

On 14/10/13 17:48, Malini Rao wrote:
> Thanks Juan. The proposals around the first round of updating was 
> intentionally kept to just look & feel and not making any functional or 
> interaction changes. If the basics are ok, then we can build on it with 
> regard to other changes as necessary.
>
> -Malini
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Juan Pablo Lorier" 
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:25:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
>
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Karli Sjöberg]

tis 2013-10-15 klockan 10:36 +0200 skrev Frank Wall:


Hi Malini,

On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:
> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to
> give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> Your feedback and input is invited.

I think your proposal looks way better than the current
oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement.

Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat
bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information
at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful.

Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true
if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an
in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further:

- Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview
- Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about
this


Perhaps. But remember that "Shut down" and "Shutting down" actually have the 
same icon. If the status column gets ditched, the icons need to be more clear 
first, in my opinion.



- Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for
anything


We do. It´s really good information to have when you use a centralized updating 
system like forcing updates and reboots through puppet or WSUS. If you see that 
every VM has been rebooted after there should have been updates except one, you 
know that VM probably is in some kind of trouble.



- Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these
details,
   if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of
these,
   I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific
datacenter
   or Cluster to see specific details about it.

I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt.
It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless
information.

The point is to show only *really* important information first (status,
usage),
and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view
specific
details.

Remember, it's just my opinion :-)


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Frank Wall]

Hi Malini,

On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:

Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to
give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
Your feedback and input is invited.


I think your proposal looks way better than the current
oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement.

Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat
bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information
at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful.

Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true
if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an
in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further:

- Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview
- Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about 
this
- Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for 
anything
- Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these 
details,
  if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of 
these,
  I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific 
datacenter

  or Cluster to see specific details about it.

I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt.
It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless
information.

The point is to show only *really* important information first (status, 
usage),
and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view 
specific

details.

Remember, it's just my opinion :-)


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Alissa Bonas]

Hi Malini,

Really nice :)

Few comments:
1. The tabs now don't look like tabs, and IMHO it's confusing. It now looks 
just like text - is it a button? a tab? another screen. I think it's not clear. 
It is also less clear in the sub tabs section as well.
2. How about making the tabs area Data Centers/Storage/Hosts... text in bold?
Because the buttons under them look more vivid and the tabs area looks pale.
3. Having the same "X" icon in "Remove" and "Cancel migration" options is 
confusing. Especially when they are in the same menu.
4. Something that was present in the previous UI as well, but perhaps can be 
improved - the Events option.
There are 3 "Events" buttons/menu in the same screen. Either they represent 
different events options (different context, for example) - and they should be 
named and placed accordingly, or maybe the number of "events" occurences can be 
reduced in the UI?
5. The colors of the new look and feel - maybe try a different green? The blue 
seems to have a lighter shade than green, so perhaps somehow make them more 
unified?




- Original Message -
> From: "Malini Rao" 
> To: "users" 
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM
> Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh
> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> Your feedback and input is invited.
> 
> Thanks
> Malini
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Karli Sjöberg]

mån 2013-10-14 klockan 13:06 -0400 skrev Malini Rao:


Hi all,

Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and 
modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
Your feedback and input is invited.

Thanks
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I think it looks great, big thumbs up! Do you also have plans for the 
UserPortal?

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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Gianluca Cecchi]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Malini Rao  wrote:
> Thanks Gianluca. One followup question - Is the preference for the existing 
> icon set because users are already familiar with them or because it is harder 
> to discern the icons in the new style or just a subjective preference?

Because users already familiar and because of a subjective preference
of mine (more colours).

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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Amador Pahim]

On 10/14/2013 02:06 PM, Malini Rao wrote:

Hi all,

Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and 
modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
Your feedback and input is invited.
Hi Malini, great job. I really liked it. I'd  suggest evaluate better 
the load bars color. IMHO, it seems disconnected with the overall 
"theme" colors or even with the green used in unselected Up icons and 
the head's green line.
Please also evaluate the colors for all bar situations and the text 
color for each of them:

- Selected / Unselected.
- Green / Orange / Red.
- Low / Medium (tricky for text color) / High value.


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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Thanks John and Fabian. As I mentioned in another email and in the wiki page, 
the first round proposal limits itself to look & feel alone. Sparklines can 
definitely be considered but is also a new feature and will have to be triaged 
as such.

-Malini



- Original Message -
From: "Fabian Deutsch" 
To: "John Taylor" 
Cc: "users" 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:34:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

Am Montag, den 14.10.2013, 15:14 -0400 schrieb John Taylor:
> Hi Malini,
> I like what you've done very much. But if you're going to give that
> much space to the resource graphs, is it possible to do something like
> sparklines to give us some sense of recent history?

+1 - IMO sparklines would be a good idea here.

- fabian

> -John
> 
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Malini Rao  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh 
> > and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> > Your feedback and input is invited.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Malini
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Thanks Juan. The proposals around the first round of updating was intentionally 
kept to just look & feel and not making any functional or interaction changes. 
If the basics are ok, then we can build on it with regard to other changes as 
necessary.

-Malini

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To: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:25:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

It's pretty, no much of a change, but a nice one.
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Fabian Deutsch]

Am Montag, den 14.10.2013, 15:14 -0400 schrieb John Taylor:
> Hi Malini,
> I like what you've done very much. But if you're going to give that
> much space to the resource graphs, is it possible to do something like
> sparklines to give us some sense of recent history?

+1 - IMO sparklines would be a good idea here.

- fabian

> -John
> 
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Malini Rao  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh 
> > and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> > Your feedback and input is invited.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Malini
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Juan Pablo Lorier]

It's pretty, no much of a change, but a nice one.
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[John Taylor]

Hi Malini,
I like what you've done very much. But if you're going to give that
much space to the resource graphs, is it possible to do something like
sparklines to give us some sense of recent history?

-John

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Malini Rao  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh 
> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> Your feedback and input is invited.
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Thanks Gianluca. One followup question - Is the preference for the existing 
icon set because users are already familiar with them or because it is harder 
to discern the icons in the new style or just a subjective preference?

Thanks
Malini

- Original Message -
From: "Gianluca Cecchi" 
To: "Malini Rao" 
Cc: "users" 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 2:46:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Malini Rao  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh 
> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> Your feedback and input is invited.
>
> Thanks
> Malini


I like very much the clean layout of the proposed admin console but I
prefer the current icon set.
I prefer the current login page, but it could depend on the background
of the new proposed one that I don't like very much.
Thanks for your time.

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Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Gianluca Cecchi]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Malini Rao  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh 
> and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
> Your feedback and input is invited.
>
> Thanks
> Malini


I like very much the clean layout of the proposed admin console but I
prefer the current icon set.
I prefer the current login page, but it could depend on the background
of the new proposed one that I don't like very much.
Thanks for your time.

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[Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt

[Malini Rao]

Hi all, 

Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and 
modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF.
Your feedback and input is invited.

Thanks
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