[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-26 Thread thomas 
I was looking forward to that presentation for exactly that reason: But it 
completely bypassed the HCI scenario, was very light on details and of course 
assumed that everything would just work, because there is no easy fail-back and 
you're probably better off taking down the complete farm during the upgrade. If 
you are actually depending on that farm to operate,...

In the mean-time I try to make sure I have a plan-B and C solution in case the 
official procedure fails, but have *.ova (plan-C) imports fail (again) in 
extract_ova.py on the single-node 4.4.2 HCI cluster that I have set up as 
target to do migration testing... a bug far to familiar for a newest release.

I'll be testing re-attachable NFS domains next (plan-B), but for me *.ova 
exports and imports are still the most fundmental operations any hypervisor 
needs to support: If OVA is the wrong file format, fine, just do another one. 
But IMHO turning a machine into a file and a file into a machine is the very 
definition of what hypervisors do. And a release that doesn't seem to test this 
operation, does not rhyme with "solution for your entire enterprise" on the 
oVirt home page.
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-24 Thread Strahil Nikolov via Users 
Have you checked the oVirt 2020 conference videos ?
There was a slot exactly on this topic- I think ansible was used for automatic 
upgrade.


I prefer the manual approach , as I have full control over the environment.

Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov





В петък, 25 септември 2020 г., 02:23:49 Гринуич+3, Vincent Royer via Users 
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It's a bit disheartening that HCI users don't have an easier upgrade path. 

So far there's a lot of 'this might work' or' that might work', and good luck. 
Certainly doesn't inspire much confidence. 

Every time there is a survey asking what the pain points are, I say 
"updates!!", but they seem to be getting more and more complicated. 




On Thu., Sep. 24, 2020, 11:06 a.m. Jayme,  wrote:
> Interested to hear how upgrading 4.3 HCI to 4.4 goes. I've been considering 
> it in my environment but was thinking about moving all VMs off to NFS storage 
> then rebuilding oVirt on 4.4 and importing.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:45 PM  wrote:
>> I am hoping for a miracle like that, too.
>> 
>> In the mean-time I am trying to make sure that all variants of exports and 
>> imports from *.ova to re-attachable NFS domains work properly, in case I 
>> have to start from scratch.
>> 
>> HCI upgrades don't get the special love you'd expect after RHV's proud 
>> announcement that they are now ready to take on Nutanix and vSAN.
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-24 Thread Vincent Royer via Users 
It's a bit disheartening that HCI users don't have an easier upgrade path.

So far there's a lot of 'this might work' or' that might work', and good
luck. Certainly doesn't inspire much confidence.

Every time there is a survey asking what the pain points are, I say
"updates!!", but they seem to be getting more and more complicated.




On Thu., Sep. 24, 2020, 11:06 a.m. Jayme,  wrote:

> Interested to hear how upgrading 4.3 HCI to 4.4 goes. I've been
> considering it in my environment but was thinking about moving all VMs off
> to NFS storage then rebuilding oVirt on 4.4 and importing.
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:45 PM  wrote:
>
>> I am hoping for a miracle like that, too.
>>
>> In the mean-time I am trying to make sure that all variants of exports
>> and imports from *.ova to re-attachable NFS domains work properly, in case
>> I have to start from scratch.
>>
>> HCI upgrades don't get the special love you'd expect after RHV's proud
>> announcement that they are now ready to take on Nutanix and vSAN.
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-24 Thread Jayme 
Interested to hear how upgrading 4.3 HCI to 4.4 goes. I've been considering
it in my environment but was thinking about moving all VMs off to NFS
storage then rebuilding oVirt on 4.4 and importing.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:45 PM  wrote:

> I am hoping for a miracle like that, too.
>
> In the mean-time I am trying to make sure that all variants of exports and
> imports from *.ova to re-attachable NFS domains work properly, in case I
> have to start from scratch.
>
> HCI upgrades don't get the special love you'd expect after RHV's proud
> announcement that they are now ready to take on Nutanix and vSAN.
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-24 Thread thomas 
I am hoping for a miracle like that, too.

In the mean-time I am trying to make sure that all variants of exports and 
imports from *.ova to re-attachable NFS domains work properly, in case I have 
to start from scratch.

HCI upgrades don't get the special love you'd expect after RHV's proud 
announcement that they are now ready to take on Nutanix and vSAN.
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-23 Thread Michael Thomas 
Not to give you any false hope, but when I recently reinstalled my oVirt 
4.4.2 cluster, I left the gluster disks alone and only reformatted the 
OS disks.  Much to my surprise, after running the oVirt HCI wizard on 
this new installation (using the exact same gluster settings as before), 
the original contents of my gluster-based data domain were still intact.


I certainly wouldn't count on this behavior with any important data, though.

--Mike

On 9/23/20 1:40 PM, Vincent Royer wrote:

well that sounds like a risky nightmare. I appreciate your help.

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On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Strahil Nikolov 
wrote:


Before you reinstall the node , you should use 'gluster volume
remove-brick  replica  ovirt_node:/path-to-brick' to
reduce the volume to replica 2 (for example). Then you need to 'gluster
peer detach ovirt_node' in order to fully cleanup the gluster TSP.

You will have to remove the bricks that are on that < ovirt_node > before
detaching it.

Once you reinstall with EL 8, you can 'gluster peer probe
' and then 'gluster volume add-brick  replica
 reinstalled_ovirt_node:/path-to-brick.

Note that reusing bricks is not very easy, so just wipe the data via
'mkfs.xfs -i size=512 /dev/block/device'.

Once all volumes are again a replica 3 , just wait for the healing to go
over and you can proceed with the oVirt part.

Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov






В сряда, 23 септември 2020 г., 20:45:30 Гринуич+3, Vincent Royer <
vinc...@epicenergy.ca> написа:





My confusion is that those documents do not describe any gluster related
tasks for Ovirt Nodes.  When I take a node down and install Ovirt Node 4.4
on it, won't all the gluster bricks on that node be lost?  The part
describing "preserving local storage", that isn't anything about Gluster,
correct?


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On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ritesh Chikatwar 
wrote:

Vincent,


This document will be useful


https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/upgrade_guide/#Upgrading_the_Manager_to_4-4_4-3_SHE


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:55 AM Vincent Royer 

wrote:

I have 3 nodes running node ng 4.3.9 with a gluster/hci cluster.  How

do I upgrade to 4.4?  Is there a guide?

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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-23 Thread Strahil Nikolov via Users 
As far as I know there is an automation to do it for you.

Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov






В сряда, 23 септември 2020 г., 21:41:13 Гринуич+3, Vincent Royer 
 написа: 





well that sounds like a risky nightmare. I appreciate your help. 

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On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Strahil Nikolov  wrote:
> Before you reinstall the node , you should use 'gluster volume remove-brick 
>  replica  ovirt_node:/path-to-brick' to reduce the 
> volume to replica 2 (for example). Then you need to 'gluster peer detach 
> ovirt_node' in order to fully cleanup the gluster TSP.
> 
> You will have to remove the bricks that are on that < ovirt_node > before 
> detaching it.
> 
> Once you reinstall with EL 8, you can 'gluster peer probe 
> ' and then 'gluster volume add-brick  replica 
>  reinstalled_ovirt_node:/path-to-brick.
> 
> Note that reusing bricks is not very easy, so just wipe the data via 
> 'mkfs.xfs -i size=512 /dev/block/device'.
> 
> Once all volumes are again a replica 3 , just wait for the healing to go over 
> and you can proceed with the oVirt part.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Strahil Nikolov
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> В сряда, 23 септември 2020 г., 20:45:30 Гринуич+3, Vincent Royer 
>  написа: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My confusion is that those documents do not describe any gluster related 
> tasks for Ovirt Nodes.  When I take a node down and install Ovirt Node 4.4 on 
> it, won't all the gluster bricks on that node be lost?  The part describing 
> "preserving local storage", that isn't anything about Gluster, correct?
> 
> 
> Vincent Royer
> 778-825-1057
> 
> 
> SUSTAINABLE MOBILE ENERGY SOLUTIONS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ritesh Chikatwar  wrote:
>> Vincent,
>> 
>> 
>> This document will be useful
>> https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/upgrade_guide/#Upgrading_the_Manager_to_4-4_4-3_SHE
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:55 AM Vincent Royer  wrote:
>>> I have 3 nodes running node ng 4.3.9 with a gluster/hci cluster.  How do I 
>>> upgrade to 4.4?  Is there a guide?
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-23 Thread Vincent Royer 
well that sounds like a risky nightmare. I appreciate your help.

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On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Strahil Nikolov 
wrote:

> Before you reinstall the node , you should use 'gluster volume
> remove-brick  replica  ovirt_node:/path-to-brick' to
> reduce the volume to replica 2 (for example). Then you need to 'gluster
> peer detach ovirt_node' in order to fully cleanup the gluster TSP.
>
> You will have to remove the bricks that are on that < ovirt_node > before
> detaching it.
>
> Once you reinstall with EL 8, you can 'gluster peer probe
> ' and then 'gluster volume add-brick  replica
>  reinstalled_ovirt_node:/path-to-brick.
>
> Note that reusing bricks is not very easy, so just wipe the data via
> 'mkfs.xfs -i size=512 /dev/block/device'.
>
> Once all volumes are again a replica 3 , just wait for the healing to go
> over and you can proceed with the oVirt part.
>
> Best Regards,
> Strahil Nikolov
>
>
>
>
>
>
> В сряда, 23 септември 2020 г., 20:45:30 Гринуич+3, Vincent Royer <
> vinc...@epicenergy.ca> написа:
>
>
>
>
>
> My confusion is that those documents do not describe any gluster related
> tasks for Ovirt Nodes.  When I take a node down and install Ovirt Node 4.4
> on it, won't all the gluster bricks on that node be lost?  The part
> describing "preserving local storage", that isn't anything about Gluster,
> correct?
>
>
> Vincent Royer
> 778-825-1057
>
>
> SUSTAINABLE MOBILE ENERGY SOLUTIONS
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ritesh Chikatwar 
> wrote:
> > Vincent,
> >
> >
> > This document will be useful
> >
> https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/upgrade_guide/#Upgrading_the_Manager_to_4-4_4-3_SHE
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:55 AM Vincent Royer 
> wrote:
> >> I have 3 nodes running node ng 4.3.9 with a gluster/hci cluster.  How
> do I upgrade to 4.4?  Is there a guide?
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-23 Thread Strahil Nikolov via Users 
Before you reinstall the node , you should use 'gluster volume remove-brick 
 replica  ovirt_node:/path-to-brick' to reduce the volume 
to replica 2 (for example). Then you need to 'gluster peer detach ovirt_node' 
in order to fully cleanup the gluster TSP.

You will have to remove the bricks that are on that < ovirt_node > before 
detaching it.

Once you reinstall with EL 8, you can 'gluster peer probe 
' and then 'gluster volume add-brick  replica 
 reinstalled_ovirt_node:/path-to-brick.

Note that reusing bricks is not very easy, so just wipe the data via 'mkfs.xfs 
-i size=512 /dev/block/device'.

Once all volumes are again a replica 3 , just wait for the healing to go over 
and you can proceed with the oVirt part.

Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov






В сряда, 23 септември 2020 г., 20:45:30 Гринуич+3, Vincent Royer 
 написа: 





My confusion is that those documents do not describe any gluster related tasks 
for Ovirt Nodes.  When I take a node down and install Ovirt Node 4.4 on it, 
won't all the gluster bricks on that node be lost?  The part describing 
"preserving local storage", that isn't anything about Gluster, correct?


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On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ritesh Chikatwar  wrote:
> Vincent,
> 
> 
> This document will be useful
> https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/upgrade_guide/#Upgrading_the_Manager_to_4-4_4-3_SHE
> 
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:55 AM Vincent Royer  wrote:
>> I have 3 nodes running node ng 4.3.9 with a gluster/hci cluster.  How do I 
>> upgrade to 4.4?  Is there a guide?
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-23 Thread Vincent Royer 
My confusion is that those documents do not describe any gluster related
tasks for Ovirt Nodes.  When I take a node down and install Ovirt Node 4.4
on it, won't all the gluster bricks on that node be lost?  The part
describing "preserving local storage", that isn't anything about Gluster,
correct?


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On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ritesh Chikatwar 
wrote:

> Vincent,
>
>
> This document will be useful
>
> https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/upgrade_guide/#Upgrading_the_Manager_to_4-4_4-3_SHE
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:55 AM Vincent Royer  wrote:
>
>> I have 3 nodes running node ng 4.3.9 with a gluster/hci cluster.  How do
>> I upgrade to 4.4?  Is there a guide?
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[ovirt-users] Re: Node upgrade to 4.4

2020-09-22 Thread Ritesh Chikatwar 
Vincent,


This document will be useful
https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/upgrade_guide/#Upgrading_the_Manager_to_4-4_4-3_SHE

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:55 AM Vincent Royer  wrote:

> I have 3 nodes running node ng 4.3.9 with a gluster/hci cluster.  How do I
> upgrade to 4.4?  Is there a guide?
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