[ovirt-users] Setting up an ovirt environment

2014-10-18 Thread Andy Michielsen
Hello,

I have a question. I'm been playing around with ovirt an I'm loving it.

Now I would like to set up a new environment with two or three nodes with a
hosted engine, reliable and fast storage and flexible network with clearly
separated storage, ovirt-management and multiple VM subnets.

I would like to here what you guy' s would buy and set up.

Kind regards.
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Re: [ovirt-users] Setting up an ovirt environment

2014-10-18 Thread Sven Kieske
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On 18.10.2014 09:01, Andy Michielsen wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have a question. I'm been playing around with ovirt an I'm loving
 it.
 
 Now I would like to set up a new environment with two or three
 nodes with a hosted engine, reliable and fast storage and flexible
 network with clearly separated storage, ovirt-management and
 multiple VM subnets.
 
 I would like to here what you guy' s would buy and set up.

Well that totally depends on your workload
and what you want to run and how you want to scale.

In other words: no one can give you a good advice on this
topic with the information you provided.

How many compute nodes (hosts) do you plan?
What is your budget? how many vms will you host?
how many vm subnets? vlans? which storage technology
do you need? iscsi? fibre channel?
which technologies do you know(nfs, gluster)?
what are your vm workloads? databases, webservers..?

if you already have a test setup you should know how much
performance you need and I guess you already have some servers
with different stuff running.

In general: buy hardware you are familiar with and which does
the job for you.

for reliable servers you could go with dell, hp, ibm or the usual
other brandings.

but it really depends on your infrastructure and your ecosystem.

So: your mileage may vary.

HTH

Sven

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[ovirt-users] How to fix wrong speed of the Infiniband Interfaces?

2014-10-18 Thread Arman Khalatyan
Hi,
I am using ovirt 3.4.4-1.
On the hosts I have 1Gbit(eth),10Gbit(eth) and 40Gbit(QDRInfiniband)
interfaces.
ib interface is used for the VM migration and iscsi disks.
If I go to the network interfaces I can see right speed for eth cards.
Unfortunately the IB interface speed is detected as 0b/s.
This causes very hi load information on vm migrate face. Which is not true.
IB can up to 2GB/s but already on 200MB/s load the hosts interfaces are
overloaded.
Where can I put the correct speed of IB interface?
Thanks,
Arman.
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[ovirt-users] CentOS 7 + oVirt 3.5 + OpenVPN

2014-10-18 Thread Phil Daws
Hello:

have installed oVirt 3.5 VDSM on a CentOS 7 node and then OpenVPN.  The problem 
I have is that when I start OpenVPN I receive the message:

Oct 18 13:29:50 kvm01 openvpn[4159]: /usr/sbin/ip link set dev tun0 up mtu 1500
Oct 18 13:29:50 kvm01 openvpn[4159]: /usr/sbin/ip addr add dev tun0 
192.168.124.200/25 broadcast 192.168.124.255
Oct 18 13:29:50 kvm01 openvpn[4159]: /usr/sbin/ip route add 192.168.0.0/16 via 
192.168.124.1
Oct 18 13:29:50 kvm01 openvpn[4159]: ERROR: Linux route add command failed: 
external program exited with error status: 2

and if I run the route command manually:

[root@kvm01 sysconfig]# /usr/sbin/ip route add 192.168.0.0/16 via 192.168.124.1
RTNETLINK answers: No such process

It would appear the tunnel is up:

[root@kvm01 sysconfig]# ip add ls
1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: bond0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,MASTER mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN 
link/ether f2:c9:ce:e5:ac:32 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: em1: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc mq master ovirtmgmt 
state UP qlen 1000
link/ether c8:1f:66:c4:2c:76 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet6 fe80::ca1f:66ff:fec4:2c76/64 scope link 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
4: em2: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000
link/ether c8:1f:66:c4:2c:77 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
6: ;vdsmdummy;: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN 
link/ether 46:af:6e:9a:1e:4b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
8: ovirtmgmt: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP 
link/ether c8:1f:66:c4:2c:76 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/23 brd 88.150.253.255 scope global ovirtmgmt
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 fe80::ca1f:66ff:fec4:2c76/64 scope link 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
10: tun0: POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast 
state UNKNOWN qlen 100
link/none 
inet 192.168.124.200/25 brd 192.168.124.255 scope global tun0
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

Any thoughts as to why the route will not work ? Rationale for this approach is 
its a cloud server and wish to use a private network to reach the install VMs 
on that node.

Thanks, Phil

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[ovirt-users] VSDM Hosts Swapspace

2014-10-18 Thread Matt .
Hi All,

As I'm not a big fan of swapping, as most people don't I think, I
wonder why the following calculation is made:

The default overcommit ratio is 0.5.

The recommended size of the swap partition can be determined by:

Multiplying the amount of system RAM by the expected overcommit ratio,
and adding
2 GB of swap space for systems with 4 GB of RAM or less, or
4 GB of swap space for systems with between 4 GB and 16 GB of RAM, or
8 GB of swap space for systems with between 16 GB and 64 GB of RAM, or
16 GB of swap space for systems with between 64 GB and 256 GB of RAM.

Example recommended SWAP calculation for a machine with 16 GB of RAM:

(16 GB x 0.5) + 8 GB = 16 GB


Would VM's make the Host swap that fast when the mem is overcommitted
? I have tested this and don't see much more than 1,5GB of swap usage.

I hope someone can tell me how they see/use this.

Matt
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 3.5 GA Releases

2014-10-18 Thread Ryan Nix
Hi.

So I upgraded to 3.5, rebooted my Centos 6.5 VM and I still seem to be
running oVirt Engine Version: 3.4.4-1.el6.  Is there something additional
that I need to do to switch to 3.5?

[root@ovirt ~]# yum localinstall
http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/yum-repo/ovirt-release35.rpm

Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, versionlock

Setting up Local Package Process

ovirt-release35.rpm  | 8.5 kB
00:00

Examining /var/tmp/yum-root-CB02va/ovirt-release35.rpm:
ovirt-release35-001-1.noarch

Marking /var/tmp/yum-root-CB02va/ovirt-release35.rpm to be installed

Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile

 * base: centos.mirrors.tds.net

 * epel: mirror.cc.columbia.edu

 * extras: mirrors.gigenet.com

 * ovirt-3.4-epel: mirror.cc.columbia.edu

 * ovirt-3.4-jpackage-6.0-generic: sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

 * ovirt-3.4-stable: www.gtlib.gatech.edu

 * updates: mirror.thelinuxfix.com

Resolving Dependencies

-- Running transaction check

--- Package ovirt-release35.noarch 0:001-1 will be installed

-- Finished Dependency Resolution


Dependencies Resolved




 Package   Arch VersionRepository
Size



Installing:

 ovirt-release35   noarch   001-1  /ovirt-release35
6.3 k


Transaction Summary



Install   1 Package(s)


Total size: 6.3 k

Installed size: 6.3 k

Is this ok [y/N]: y

Downloading Packages:

Running rpm_check_debug

Running Transaction Test

Transaction Test Succeeded

Running Transaction

  Installing : ovirt-release35-001-1.noarch
1/1

  Verifying  : ovirt-release35-001-1.noarch
1/1


Installed:

  ovirt-release35.noarch 0:001-1



Complete!

[root@ovirt ~]# yum update

Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, versionlock

Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile

ovirt-3.5-epel/metalink  |  15 kB
00:00

 * base: centos.mirrors.tds.net

 * epel: mirror.cc.columbia.edu

 * extras: mirrors.gigenet.com

 * ovirt-3.4-epel: mirror.cc.columbia.edu

 * ovirt-3.4-jpackage-6.0-generic: sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

 * ovirt-3.4-stable: www.gtlib.gatech.edu

 * ovirt-3.5: www.gtlib.gatech.edu

 * ovirt-3.5-epel: less.cogeco.net

 * ovirt-3.5-jpackage-6.0-generic: sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

 * updates: mirror.thelinuxfix.com

ovirt-3.5| 2.9 kB
00:00

ovirt-3.5/primary_db |  60 kB
00:00

ovirt-3.5-epel   | 4.4 kB
00:00

ovirt-3.5-epel/primary_db| 6.3 MB
00:00

ovirt-3.5-glusterfs-epel | 2.9 kB
00:00

ovirt-3.5-glusterfs-epel/primary_db  |  12 kB
00:00

ovirt-3.5-glusterfs-noarch-epel  | 2.9 kB
00:00

ovirt-3.5-glusterfs-noarch-epel/primary_db   | 2.2 kB
00:00

ovirt-3.5-jpackage-6.0-generic   |  951 B
00:00

ovirt-3.5-jpackage-6.0-generic/primary   | 1.3 MB
00:03

ovirt-3.5-jpackage-6.0-generic
5495/5495

ovirt-3.5-patternfly1-noarch-epel| 3.0 kB
00:00

ovirt-3.5-patternfly1-noarch-epel/primary_db | 2.3 kB
00:00

Setting up Update Process

Resolving Dependencies

-- Running transaction check

--- Package otopi.noarch 0:1.2.3-1.el6 will be updated

--- Package otopi.noarch 0:1.3.0-1.el6 will be an update

--- Package otopi-java.noarch 0:1.2.3-1.el6 will be updated

--- Package otopi-java.noarch 0:1.3.0-1.el6 will be an update

--- Package ovirt-engine-cli.noarch 0:3.4.0.5-1.el6 will be updated

--- Package ovirt-engine-cli.noarch 0:3.5.0.5-1.el6 will be an update

--- Package ovirt-engine-lib.noarch 0:3.4.4-1.el6 will be updated

--- Package ovirt-engine-lib.noarch 0:3.5.0.1-1.el6 will be an update

--- Package ovirt-engine-sdk-python.noarch 0:3.4.4.0-1.el6 will be updated

--- Package ovirt-engine-sdk-python.noarch 0:3.5.0.7-1.el6 will be an
update

--- Package ovirt-engine-setup.noarch 0:3.4.4-1.el6 will be updated

--- Package ovirt-engine-setup.noarch 0:3.5.0.1-1.el6 will be an update

--- Package ovirt-engine-setup-base.noarch 0:3.4.4-1.el6 will be updated

--- Package ovirt-engine-setup-base.noarch 0:3.5.0.1-1.el6 will be an
update

-- Processing Dependency: python-paramiko for package:
ovirt-engine-setup-base-3.5.0.1-1.el6.noarch

--- Package ovirt-engine-setup-plugin-ovirt-engine.noarch 0:3.4.4-1.el6
will be updated

--- Package ovirt-engine-setup-plugin-ovirt-engine.noarch 0:3.5.0.1-1.el6
will be an update

--- Package ovirt-engine-setup-plugin-ovirt-engine-common.noarch
0:3.4.4-1.el6 will be updated

--- Package ovirt-engine-setup-plugin-ovirt-engine-common.noarch
0:3.5.0.1-1.el6 will be an update

--- Package 

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 3.5 GA Releases

2014-10-18 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
You didn't follow The upgrade instructions...
http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_3.5_Release_Notes#Install_.2F_Upgrade_from_Previous_Versions
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Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt monitoring

2014-10-18 Thread Mooli Tayer
Hi Ryan,

1.) The Nagios integration page seems to be back up.

2.) For monitoring of events available in oVirt-engine's audit log,
It is possible to register for both email and snmp trap notifications[1].

A portion of these events are related to managed resources.

Trap notifications allow integration with monitoring systems.  
See: [1], [2] and [3]. 

[1] http://www.ovirt.org/Features/engine-snmp
[2] http://www.ovirt.org/Features/configuration-event-subscribers
[3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1136818
This RFE allows easier integration with monitoring systems and should 
be available soon. Some work with snmptt can achieve the same result.

Regards,
Mooli Tayer.

- Original Message -
 Hello,
 
 I was looking for something to monitor the resources managed by oVirt and not
 necessarily oVirt itself. It looks like there is a page on Nagios
 integration, however, I'm getting a 503 when trying to access the site.
 http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Nagios_Integration
 
 Does anyone have any recommendations on monitoring resources managed by
 oVirt?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Ryn
 
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 3.5 GA Releases

2014-10-18 Thread Ryan Nix
If you are upgrading from a previous version, you should have the 
ovirt-release34 package already installed on your system. You can then install 
ovirt-release35.rpm as in a clean install side-by-side.

I followed this, but I'm certain what it means.

Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cec...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You didn't follow The upgrade instructions...
 http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_3.5_Release_Notes#Install_.2F_Upgrade_from_Previous_Versions
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Re: [ovirt-users] Thinking loud about VM's serial console access

2014-10-18 Thread Alon Bar-Lev

Please read [1].

I am unsure about concurrent access, this should be done using ssh bridge and 
now low level solution.

Thanks,
Alon

[1] http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Serial_Console

- Original Message -
 From: Jiri Belka jbe...@redhat.com
 To: users@ovirt.org
 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 6:15:43 PM
 Subject: [ovirt-users] Thinking loud about VM's serial console access
 
 Hi,
 
 on KVM forum VM's serial console access was raised. I'd like to make
 some comments, hopefully it would help to think about how we would
 access VM's serial consoles in oVirt.
 
 1. encrypted access (ssh preferable) is a must
 
 2. not to type any automatically generated password to access
serial console should be possible (like for spice)
 
i can imagine a centralized console server could be used to
manage all serial console accesses. usually such console servers are
access via ssh and then a connection is spawned and sysadmin's ssh
session is connected to remote serial console without any action
 
 3. not to see a interactive menu should be possible
 
there can be serial console output parser/monitor persistently
running to catch kernel outputs and alerts in console. if kernel
crashes, the output is on console and thus a monitoring can catch it
 
 4. access to VM's serial console should not require to know where a VM
is running (thus to know host fqdn/IP)
 
this is obvious, a sysadmin wants to just get serial console without
manual kung-fu
 
 5. multi-user access to one VM's serial console
 
in some paranoid environment there must be two people working
together, each controlling other. whatever. multi-user concurrency
should be possible, there can be passive serial console output
parser/monitor and sysadmin's interactive session
 
 Hopefully the above will contribute to implementation design. All above
 is possible with open source tools while using real hw serial consoles,
 thus it would be expected that implementation for VM's serial console
 would work similarly.
 
 FYI I created RFE for qemu for TLS mode for chardev socket
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1154115, so there could be
 a way not to use ssh to host as this has been not preferred by
 alonbl@ for other functionality in the past :)
 
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 3.5 GA Releases

2014-10-18 Thread Itamar Heim

On 10/18/2014 09:34 PM, Ryan Nix wrote:

If you are upgrading from a previous version, you should have the
ovirt-release34 package already installed on your system. You can then
install ovirt-release35.rpm as in a clean install side-by-side.

I followed this, but I'm certain what it means.


the step you are missing is running 'engine-setup' after the yum update.



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On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cec...@gmail.com
mailto:gianluca.cec...@gmail.com wrote:


You didn't follow The upgrade instructions...
http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_3.5_Release_Notes#Install_.2F_Upgrade_from_Previous_Versions




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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 3.5 GA Releases

2014-10-18 Thread Mohyedeen Nazzal
Seems you are missing the engine-setup step, cause in the screen you
attached, you have just restarted ovirt-engine before running engine-setup
.

Thanks,
Mohyedeen

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Ryan Nix ryan@gmail.com wrote:

 If you are upgrading from a previous version, you should have the
 ovirt-release34 package already installed on your system. You can then
 install ovirt-release35.rpm as in a clean install side-by-side.

 I followed this, but I'm certain what it means.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cec...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 You didn't follow The upgrade instructions...

 http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_3.5_Release_Notes#Install_.2F_Upgrade_from_Previous_Versions


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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 3.5 GA Releases

2014-10-18 Thread Ryan Nix
Ah, I see.  Thanks to all!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal mohyedeen.naz...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Seems you are missing the engine-setup step, cause in the screen you 
 attached, you have just restarted ovirt-engine before running engine-setup . 
 
 Thanks,
 Mohyedeen
 
 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Ryan Nix ryan@gmail.com wrote:
 If you are upgrading from a previous version, you should have the 
 ovirt-release34 package already installed on your system. You can then 
 install ovirt-release35.rpm as in a clean install side-by-side.
 
 I followed this, but I'm certain what it means.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cec...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You didn't follow The upgrade instructions...
 http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_3.5_Release_Notes#Install_.2F_Upgrade_from_Previous_Versions
 
 
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Re: [ovirt-users] How to fix wrong speed of the Infiniband Interfaces?

2014-10-18 Thread Markus Stockhausen
If you are speaking about ib0 and so on this will be fixed with 3.5. The 
interfaces will then be advertised as 10Gbit.

Am 18.10.2014 13:14 schrieb Arman Khalatyan arm2...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I am using ovirt 3.4.4-1.
On the hosts I have 1Gbit(eth),10Gbit(eth) and 40Gbit(QDRInfiniband) interfaces.
ib interface is used for the VM migration and iscsi disks.
If I go to the network interfaces I can see right speed for eth cards.
Unfortunately the IB interface speed is detected as 0b/s.
This causes very hi load information on vm migrate face. Which is not true. IB 
can up to 2GB/s but already on 200MB/s load the hosts interfaces are overloaded.
Where can I put the correct speed of IB interface?
Thanks,
Arman.


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[ovirt-users] iSCSI - recommended LUN size?

2014-10-18 Thread Anthony Alba
Some noob questions on iSCSI as I am doing an evaluation on NFS vs iSCSI.

1. Is there a best practices guide to LUN sizing for oVirt? E.g.
N x 200G, N x 500G, N x 1 TB.

http://www.ovirt.org/Quick_Start_Guide#Create_an_iSCSI_Data_Domain
oVirt platform supports iSCSI storage domains spanning multiple
pre-defined Logical Unit Numbers (LUNs).

2. Since we can extend the storage domain, I was thinking of  multiples of 200G.
Any reason not to do it this way?

From the mailing list:
 https://www.mail-archive.com/users@ovirt.org/msg13638.html

please note:
- you can extend a *storage domain* by adding an extra LUN to it from
  ovirt-engine.

3. Any production experience with LIO target/targetcli as backend?

Thanks!
- Anthony
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Re: [ovirt-users] CentOS 7 + oVirt 3.5 + OpenVPN

2014-10-18 Thread Darrell Budic
Looks like an openvpn config issue and not a ovirt issue from this. 
192.168.124.1 is not in the same network as 192.168.124.200/25 mostly, try 
192.168.124.129.

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Phil Daws ux...@splatnix.net wrote:
 
 Hello:
 
 have installed oVirt 3.5 VDSM on a CentOS 7 node and then OpenVPN.  The 
 problem I have is that when I start OpenVPN I receive the message:
 
 Oct 18 13:29:50 kvm01 openvpn[4159]: /usr/sbin/ip link set dev tun0 up mtu 
 1500
 Oct 18 13:29:50 kvm01 openvpn[4159]: /usr/sbin/ip addr add dev tun0 
 192.168.124.200/25 broadcast 192.168.124.255
 Oct 18 13:29:50 kvm01 openvpn[4159]: /usr/sbin/ip route add 192.168.0.0/16 
 via 192.168.124.1
 Oct 18 13:29:50 kvm01 openvpn[4159]: ERROR: Linux route add command failed: 
 external program exited with error status: 2
 
 and if I run the route command manually:
 
 [root@kvm01 sysconfig]# /usr/sbin/ip route add 192.168.0.0/16 via 
 192.168.124.1
 RTNETLINK answers: No such process
 
 It would appear the tunnel is up:
 
 [root@kvm01 sysconfig]# ip add ls
 1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 2: bond0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,MASTER mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN 
link/ether f2:c9:ce:e5:ac:32 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 3: em1: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc mq master ovirtmgmt 
 state UP qlen 1000
link/ether c8:1f:66:c4:2c:76 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet6 fe80::ca1f:66ff:fec4:2c76/64 scope link 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 4: em2: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000
link/ether c8:1f:66:c4:2c:77 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 6: ;vdsmdummy;: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN 
link/ether 46:af:6e:9a:1e:4b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 8: ovirtmgmt: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state 
 UP 
link/ether c8:1f:66:c4:2c:76 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/23 brd 88.150.253.255 scope global ovirtmgmt
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 fe80::ca1f:66ff:fec4:2c76/64 scope link 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 10: tun0: POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast 
 state UNKNOWN qlen 100
link/none 
inet 192.168.124.200/25 brd 192.168.124.255 scope global tun0
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 
 Any thoughts as to why the route will not work ? Rationale for this approach 
 is its a cloud server and wish to use a private network to reach the install 
 VMs on that node.
 
 Thanks, Phil
 
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