Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
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Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Hi Georg, Adding and editing of vacation messages is possible right now. SOGo is, if I'm correct, only creating a sieve script. You can install the TB addon "Sieve" to edit your sieve scripts. Of course, the managesieve protocol has to be accessible from outside, some configurations on your firewall might be needed. On the other hand - it's really not user-friendly. No normal user will start scripting just to enable vacation messages. :-) OK, this does not sound like the solution I want to propose my users... Sharing of mailboxes should be possible with the addon "imap-acl-extensions", I guess? Indeed, that does not look too bad. Nevertheless, I miss the 'search user' part. Users don't know (and don't want to know) how exactly the user names are composed. Users want to enter a first or last name and klick on the user they searched for. And users don't know what to enter to get 'any authenticated user'. But nevertheless, it looks quite promising. Thanks for pointing me to it. Regards, Mirko -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Nella citazione in data gio 26 gen 2012 10:12:42 CET, Pascal Gienger ha scritto: As I can see here, people want WEB. More, they want APP on their mobile phone. They're not capable (or maybe not wanting) to configure their mail App on their Pad or Phone and they try to search for an "Uni Konstanz Mail App" (in our case). Thinking about .. I could agree with you, people is more and more in strict confidence with tablet/smartphone and gmail/hotmail interfaces And,for us, client maintenance requires more effort then web application maintenance! But: - web interface should be very quick! - web interface should be very usable! - web interface should be very very intuitive! Maybe, invest into web interface could be a good way. See google: http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2010/12/nothing-but-web.html -- Alessio Fattorini (alessio.fattor...@nethesis.it) nethesis srl - Via degli Olmi 16/4 - 61100 Pesaro (PU) tel. +39 0721 405516 - fax +39 0721 268147 www.nethesis.it - i...@nethesis.it -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Le 26/01/2012 10:04, Pascal Gienger a écrit :
> Le 26/01/2012 09:41, Alessio Fattorini a écrit :
>> Il 25/01/2012 21:08, Mirko Stoffers ha scritto:
>>> Hi Georg,
>>>
>>> in my opinion the web interface is not meant to be the primary interface
>>> for extensive mail management. It is rather meant to be used on PCs
>>> where you don't want (be allowed) to install a fat client since you do
>>> not use them every day.
>>
>> +1
>
>
> The problem lies in the wrong assumption which collides with the reality.
>
> As I can see here, people want WEB. More, they want APP on their mobile
> phone. They're not capable (or maybe not wanting) to configure their
> mail App on their Pad or Phone and they try to search for an "Uni
> Konstanz Mail App" (in our case).
Part which I forgot:
So to address the greatest possible audience, the web interface of SOGo
is the key to success.
All these little functions which are not implemented yet (like "Mark all
messages as read") will be the killer feature - "Thunderbird in the
cloud". That's what people want.
I also saw iPad owners using SOGo with their Mobile Safari (because they
did not find an App for it).
Local storage is dead. Local software on desktop and notebook computers
is dead. It is up to us to adapt to stay within the audiences' interest.
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Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Le 26/01/2012 09:41, Alessio Fattorini a écrit :
> Il 25/01/2012 21:08, Mirko Stoffers ha scritto:
>> Hi Georg,
>>
>> in my opinion the web interface is not meant to be the primary interface
>> for extensive mail management. It is rather meant to be used on PCs
>> where you don't want (be allowed) to install a fat client since you do
>> not use them every day.
>
> +1
The problem lies in the wrong assumption which collides with the reality.
As I can see here, people want WEB. More, they want APP on their mobile
phone. They're not capable (or maybe not wanting) to configure their
mail App on their Pad or Phone and they try to search for an "Uni
Konstanz Mail App" (in our case).
The new paradigm for mobile devices seems to be "for each service you
need an App" and for notebooks and desktops "it has to be done with the
web browser, I don't want to install software". You notice the
schizophrenia in this?
We have plenty of users stating "I don't want to install a software on
my computer. It must run on my Internet Explorer, it has to be cloud!
*sigh*" (Cloud == application on the web browser, that's what they think!).
90% of our users take the web frontend, even at the office! We support
real mail clients, sure, but they don't want them. Web Web Web!
And if we wouldn't offer it they would go to Google, because students
can go wherever they want. We see massive people using Google Mail to
read mail stored on our servers (including storing their password at
Google).
The battle is lost, installable software on the desktop/notebook PC like
a fat mail client will decline in the time to come, only in the mobile
world of these castrated walled garden systems people are happy to spend
even dollars to buy an "App" from an "App Store" and pay money for it -
to install a fat client.
If Inverse would compile an iOS iPhone/iPad "App" for access to a SOGo
system which many nice animations and designed like a Disney software
for little children, people would buy it for $10 each. I promise it!
This App - sure - has to use a "web service" to overcome all firewalls
and narrow minded "data packs" which allow only port 80 and 443 connects.
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Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Il 25/01/2012 21:08, Mirko Stoffers ha scritto: Hi Georg, in my opinion the web interface is not meant to be the primary interface for extensive mail management. It is rather meant to be used on PCs where you don't want (be allowed) to install a fat client since you do not use them every day. +1 Instead of adding all the features of a fat client to the web GUI, I'd prefer seeing the effort being put in adding the web GUI options to Thunderbird (extensions). It's quite annoying to log-in to the web interface in order to set a vacation message or other preferences, share a mail folder, etc. while TB is running anyway. Totally agree. The best feature of sogo is the integration/syncronization between thunderbird and web interface. Bye -- Alessio Fattorini (alessio.fattor...@nethesis.it) nethesis srl - Via degli Olmi 16/4 - 61100 Pesaro (PU) tel. +39 0721 405516 - fax +39 0721 268147 www.nethesis.it - i...@nethesis.it -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Hi Mirko, > in my opinion the web interface is not meant to be the primary > interface for extensive mail management. [...] well, you do have a point. But I'm always surprised about I many people are not using mail clients and are relaying on web frontends. It's definitely nothing with priority. And the gui is very well usable even if my suggestions are not added. > Instead of adding all the features of a fat client to the web GUI, I'd > prefer seeing the effort being put in adding the web GUI options to > Thunderbird (extensions). It's quite annoying to log-in to the web > interface in order to set a vacation message or other preferences, share > a mail folder, etc. while TB is running anyway. Adding and editing of vacation messages is possible right now. SOGo is, if I'm correct, only creating a sieve script. You can install the TB addon "Sieve" to edit your sieve scripts. Of course, the managesieve protocol has to be accessible from outside, some configurations on your firewall might be needed. On the other hand - it's really not user-friendly. No normal user will start scripting just to enable vacation messages. :-) Sharing of mailboxes should be possible with the addon "imap-acl-extensions", I guess? Bye Georg > > Just my 2 cents. > > Mirko > > On 01/25/2012 02:43 PM, Georg Bretschneider wrote: >> Hi, >> >> it looks like enabling this in SOGo config doesn't help. Every user has >> to enable this view on his own. I checked it with a newly created user. >> >> Okay, the feature is there. But I have suggestions :) >> In Thunderbird I can "open" and "close" the threads. If you have a lot >> of emails, the new smart filters in Thunderbird can help finding unread >> messages. In SOGo web gui I can't filter for read or unread messages. >> Something that I would like to see in Thunderbird AND Sogo aswell, >> "updated" threads (new mails) are "bounced" to the top of the email >> list. This and a smart filter bar would enhanced the usability a lot! >> >> Other ideas? >> >> >> Bye >> Georg >> >> Am 25.01.2012 19:54, schrieb Martin Seener: >>> i plan to add this feature too for our "Outlook"-Guys >>> so is it enabled by default or "enable"-able? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> On 1/25/12 7:52 PM, Georg Bretschneider wrote: Hi Steve, many thanks for your efforts. > SOGoThreadedView = YES; (or defaults write sogod SOGoThreadedView YES > if you are using the XML version) > > and then an option will appear in the mail tab of preferences for user > to turn on option if desired. I hope you mean "turn off if desired", because, I hope, SOGoThreadedView YES will enable this kind of view per default. Ah...doesn't matter. I will see it in the next couple of minutes. :) > This should probably be added to the manual as newcomers will not even > know it exists. Ack! Bye Georg -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Hi Pascal, > It is the 2nd option in Preferences -> Mail. > > :) yes, I know that (by now) :), I tried to find out how to enable this kind of view per default for _every user_ using the SOGo configuration file. That does not seem to work. Bye Georg -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Hi Georg, in my opinion the web interface is not meant to be the primary interface for extensive mail management. It is rather meant to be used on PCs where you don't want (be allowed) to install a fat client since you do not use them every day. Instead of adding all the features of a fat client to the web GUI, I'd prefer seeing the effort being put in adding the web GUI options to Thunderbird (extensions). It's quite annoying to log-in to the web interface in order to set a vacation message or other preferences, share a mail folder, etc. while TB is running anyway. Just my 2 cents. Mirko On 01/25/2012 02:43 PM, Georg Bretschneider wrote: Hi, it looks like enabling this in SOGo config doesn't help. Every user has to enable this view on his own. I checked it with a newly created user. Okay, the feature is there. But I have suggestions :) In Thunderbird I can "open" and "close" the threads. If you have a lot of emails, the new smart filters in Thunderbird can help finding unread messages. In SOGo web gui I can't filter for read or unread messages. Something that I would like to see in Thunderbird AND Sogo aswell, "updated" threads (new mails) are "bounced" to the top of the email list. This and a smart filter bar would enhanced the usability a lot! Other ideas? Bye Georg Am 25.01.2012 19:54, schrieb Martin Seener: i plan to add this feature too for our "Outlook"-Guys so is it enabled by default or "enable"-able? Thanks! On 1/25/12 7:52 PM, Georg Bretschneider wrote: Hi Steve, many thanks for your efforts. SOGoThreadedView = YES; (or defaults write sogod SOGoThreadedView YES if you are using the XML version) and then an option will appear in the mail tab of preferences for user to turn on option if desired. I hope you mean "turn off if desired", because, I hope, SOGoThreadedView YES will enable this kind of view per default. Ah...doesn't matter. I will see it in the next couple of minutes. :) This should probably be added to the manual as newcomers will not even know it exists. Ack! Bye Georg -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Hi, it looks like enabling this in SOGo config doesn't help. Every user has to enable this view on his own. I checked it with a newly created user. Okay, the feature is there. But I have suggestions :) In Thunderbird I can "open" and "close" the threads. If you have a lot of emails, the new smart filters in Thunderbird can help finding unread messages. In SOGo web gui I can't filter for read or unread messages. Something that I would like to see in Thunderbird AND Sogo aswell, "updated" threads (new mails) are "bounced" to the top of the email list. This and a smart filter bar would enhanced the usability a lot! Other ideas? Bye Georg Am 25.01.2012 19:54, schrieb Martin Seener: > i plan to add this feature too for our "Outlook"-Guys > so is it enabled by default or "enable"-able? > > Thanks! > > > On 1/25/12 7:52 PM, Georg Bretschneider wrote: >> Hi Steve, >> >> many thanks for your efforts. >> >>> SOGoThreadedView = YES; (or defaults write sogod SOGoThreadedView YES >>> if you are using the XML version) >>> >>> and then an option will appear in the mail tab of preferences for user >>> to turn on option if desired. >> I hope you mean "turn off if desired", because, I hope, SOGoThreadedView >> YES will enable this kind of view per default. Ah...doesn't matter. I >> will see it in the next couple of minutes. :) >> >>> This should probably be added to the manual as newcomers will not even >>> know it exists. >> Ack! >> >> >> Bye >> Georg -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
i plan to add this feature too for our "Outlook"-Guys so is it enabled by default or "enable"-able? Thanks! On 1/25/12 7:52 PM, Georg Bretschneider wrote: Hi Steve, many thanks for your efforts. SOGoThreadedView = YES; (or defaults write sogod SOGoThreadedView YES if you are using the XML version) and then an option will appear in the mail tab of preferences for user to turn on option if desired. I hope you mean "turn off if desired", because, I hope, SOGoThreadedView YES will enable this kind of view per default. Ah...doesn't matter. I will see it in the next couple of minutes. :) This should probably be added to the manual as newcomers will not even know it exists. Ack! Bye Georg -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Hi Steve, many thanks for your efforts. > SOGoThreadedView = YES; (or defaults write sogod SOGoThreadedView YES > if you are using the XML version) > > and then an option will appear in the mail tab of preferences for user > to turn on option if desired. I hope you mean "turn off if desired", because, I hope, SOGoThreadedView YES will enable this kind of view per default. Ah...doesn't matter. I will see it in the next couple of minutes. :) > This should probably be added to the manual as newcomers will not even > know it exists. Ack! Bye Georg -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Well, I can't find it in the manual either! I had to go back to previous mail to find it, but you can add: SOGoThreadedView = YES; (or defaults write sogod SOGoThreadedView YES if you are using the XML version) and then an option will appear in the mail tab of preferences for user to turn on option if desired. This should probably be added to the manual as newcomers will not even know it exists. Steve On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Georg Bretschneider wrote: > Hi Steve, > >> That capability was added several versions ago. >> (http://www.sogo.nu/english/buzz/2011/article/sogo-138.html) Check the >> manual (http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Installation%20Guide.pdf) >> for information on how to configure the feature. > > I'm stunned. I totally missed that article. But I know I couldn't find > something related in the docs earlier, at least I think so. You are not > talking about SOGoMailUseOutlookStyleReplies, right? > I found the option in the web gui alright, but I am really too blind to > find the correct option within the documentation to set this for all users. > > > Bye > Georg > > > > >> >> Steve >> >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Georg Bretschneider >> wrote: >>> Hello SOGo team, >>> >>> are there plans to adjust the display of related emails, as in newer >>> Thunderbird versions? (See image attached.) >>> It really helps keeping track of topics and related emails and to switch >>> between mails within a topic. >>> >>> >>> Bye >>> Georg >>> -- >>> users@sogo.nu >>> https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists > -- > users@sogo.nu > https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
Hi Steve, > That capability was added several versions ago. > (http://www.sogo.nu/english/buzz/2011/article/sogo-138.html) Check the > manual (http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Installation%20Guide.pdf) > for information on how to configure the feature. I'm stunned. I totally missed that article. But I know I couldn't find something related in the docs earlier, at least I think so. You are not talking about SOGoMailUseOutlookStyleReplies, right? I found the option in the web gui alright, but I am really too blind to find the correct option within the documentation to set this for all users. Bye Georg > > Steve > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Georg Bretschneider > wrote: >> Hello SOGo team, >> >> are there plans to adjust the display of related emails, as in newer >> Thunderbird versions? (See image attached.) >> It really helps keeping track of topics and related emails and to switch >> between mails within a topic. >> >> >> Bye >> Georg >> -- >> users@sogo.nu >> https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Changing display of related emails in WebGUI similar to newer TB versions
That capability was added several versions ago. (http://www.sogo.nu/english/buzz/2011/article/sogo-138.html) Check the manual (http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Installation%20Guide.pdf) for information on how to configure the feature. Steve On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Georg Bretschneider wrote: > Hello SOGo team, > > are there plans to adjust the display of related emails, as in newer > Thunderbird versions? (See image attached.) > It really helps keeping track of topics and related emails and to switch > between mails within a topic. > > > Bye > Georg > -- > users@sogo.nu > https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
