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On May 10, 2022, at 9:16 PM, Bill Cole 
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Philip Prindeville 
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> Anyone have a rule to detect the following nonsense headers seen in this 
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No, and complicating your circumstance: RFC6648

Here's the title & abstract:


  Deprecating the "X-" Prefix and Similar Constructs
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Abstract

  Historically, designers and implementers of application protocols
  have often distinguished between standardized and unstandardized
  parameters by prefixing the names of unstandardized parameters with
  the string "X-" or similar constructs.  In practice, that convention
  causes more problems than it solves.  Therefore, this document
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Re: OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[Alex Woick]

John Hardin schrieb am 06.04.2021 um 16:34:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Grant Taylor wrote:


On 4/5/21 8:41 PM, Peter West wrote:
I’d agree it’s address verification, as with the Unsubscribe link at 
the bottom.


I'm of the opinion that if I have any inclining of knowledge of the 
company sending the email, and SPF/DKIM/DMARC pass, I'll probably use 
the unsubscribe link.


Recently I ran into a 404 from the unsubscribe link from a company 
that my wife did business with.  *facepalm*


What ticks me off is an unsubscribe link that goes to a 
javascript-heavy page and that *won't work* without javascript.


And an unsubscribe link with a huge identifying key on it, yet the 
unsubscribe page still asks you to enter your email address...


As far as I see it, unsubscribe links from spammers are placebo, because 
the "campaign" or "mailing list" or "newsletter" is created for just one 
mass mailing session, then never used again. You don't need to 
unsubscribe (nor the spammer need to provide a real working unsubscribe 
functionality), because your address isn't used for *this* mailing list 
again anyway. However, it's used for creating a whole new mailing list 
tomorrow and a second one the day after tomorrow, but that's a 
completely different newsletter than the one from today (as the spammer 
would say, why he continues sending although you unsubscribed).

Re: OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[Grant Taylor]

On 4/6/21 8:34 AM, John Hardin wrote:
What ticks me off is an unsubscribe link that goes to a javascript-heavy 
page and that *won't work* without javascript.


And an unsubscribe link with a huge identifying key on it, yet the 
unsubscribe page still asks you to enter your email address...


Ya

Those types of senders usually end up banned on my server with a custom 
comment to that effect.




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Re: OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[John Hardin]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Grant Taylor wrote:


On 4/5/21 8:41 PM, Peter West wrote:
I’d agree it’s address verification, as with the Unsubscribe link at the 
bottom.


I'm of the opinion that if I have any inclining of knowledge of the company 
sending the email, and SPF/DKIM/DMARC pass, I'll probably use the unsubscribe 
link.


Recently I ran into a 404 from the unsubscribe link from a company that my 
wife did business with.  *facepalm*


What ticks me off is an unsubscribe link that goes to a javascript-heavy 
page and that *won't work* without javascript.


And an unsubscribe link with a huge identifying key on it, yet the 
unsubscribe page still asks you to enter your email address...



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Re: OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[Peter West]

Yes. I meant the unsubscribe link from an unknown advertiser.
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> On 6 Apr 2021, at 12:50 pm, Grant Taylor  wrote:
> 
> On 4/5/21 8:41 PM, Peter West wrote:
>> I’d agree it’s address verification, as with the Unsubscribe link at the 
>> bottom.
> 
> I'm of the opinion that if I have any inclining of knowledge of the company 
> sending the email, and SPF/DKIM/DMARC pass, I'll probably use the unsubscribe 
> link.
> 
> Recently I ran into a 404 from the unsubscribe link from a company that my 
> wife did business with.  *facepalm*
> 
> 
> 
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OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[Grant Taylor]

On 4/5/21 8:41 PM, Peter West wrote:
I’d agree it’s address verification, as with the Unsubscribe link 
at the bottom.


I'm of the opinion that if I have any inclining of knowledge of the 
company sending the email, and SPF/DKIM/DMARC pass, I'll probably use 
the unsubscribe link.


Recently I ran into a 404 from the unsubscribe link from a company that 
my wife did business with.  *facepalm*




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On 2020-12-23 16:33, Antony Stone wrote:

On Wednesday 23 December 2020 at 22:29:50, Alan wrote:


On 2020-12-23 16:22, Richard Ozer wrote:

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Hm, strange - I thought it was (quoting from the headers of any email on this
list):

list-help: <mailto:users-h...@spamassassin.apache.org>
list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org>
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Antony.


Argh. I have a bad case of mailing list schizophrenia. Hence a signature 
to remind me where the heck I am. :(


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On Wednesday 23 December 2020 at 22:29:50, Alan wrote:

> On 2020-12-23 16:22, Richard Ozer wrote:
> 
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Hm, strange - I thought it was (quoting from the headers of any email on this 
list):

list-help: <mailto:users-h...@spamassassin.apache.org>
list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org>
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2020, Richard Ozer wrote:






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On 2020-12-23 16:22, Richard Ozer wrote:


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RALPH HAUSER skrev den 2019-01-15 21:08:
SOMEONE PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM THIS! I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT IS! 
Thank you!

PLEASE PLEASE!


check your spam folder with aol.com

no one here can unsbubscribe you at all, it seems you can mail to anyone 
just not the maillist bot that helps you do it selfservices


no one subscribed you at all, you will have to reverse it self now

sorry if aol.com reject your self service mails from apache.org

and now i spammed innocent peoble self trying to help :(

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[Antony Stone]

On Tuesday 15 January 2019 at 21:08:17, RALPH HAUSER wrote:

> SOMEONE PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM THIS! I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT IS! Thank
> you! PLEASE PLEASE!

As I replied to someone only on Sunday...

See the headers of every message on this list:

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SOMEONE PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM THIS! I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT IS! Thank you!
PLEASE PLEASE!

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Grant Taylor  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/15/2019 11:39 AM, Bill Cole wrote:
>> This strikes me as a flaw in whatever milter you're using. Some (e.g. 
>> MIMEDefang) milters deal with the fact that they don't get a local Received 
>> header by constructing one from what they know before passing the message to 
>> SA.
> 
> The SPF milter is constructing the header.  I assume that it's doing so 
> properly.  At least the headers I see coming out of the MTA are correct.
> 
> I think that SpamAssassin is looking for a header that isn't there yet. -  
> Both SpamAssassin and my SPF filter are hooked into the same MTA as milters.  
> So both of them see the message before it's accepted and all headers new are 
> added.
> 
> I don't know if the SPF milter can add the header sooner, or if that is 
> controlled by the MTA.
> 
> I would also like SpamAssassin to use the information available to it via the 
> milter interface instead of relying on a header.
> 
> 
> 
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On Sunday 13 January 2019 at 22:03:58, Esteban L wrote:

> unsubscribe please

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[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.]

> 
> I don't want to weigh in on the perceived worth of your signature, but
> are you aware of the signature convention that has been around for
> decades? It is mentioned in RFC 3676 and many other places:
> 
>  There is a long-standing convention in Usenet news which also commonly
>  appears in Internet mail of using "-- " as the separator line between
>  the body and the signature of a message.
> 
>  (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3)
> 
> If you prefix your signature with DASH DASH SPACE, smart MUAs will
> either show the signature in muted colours, in a collapsed state, or by
> other means of making it less intrusive.

That's odd...until you mentioned it I wasn't aware that my MUA was *not* 
including that!...let me see if I can figure out why it isn't.  Thank you!

Anne

(suppressing .sig for now)

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Ralph Seichter]

* Anne P. Mitchell:

> I have found that establishing my expertise and authority up front
> tends to ward off lengthy discussions that take up way more mailing
> list bandwidth than the signature.

I don't want to weigh in on the perceived worth of your signature, but
are you aware of the signature convention that has been around for
decades? It is mentioned in RFC 3676 and many other places:

  There is a long-standing convention in Usenet news which also commonly
  appears in Internet mail of using "-- " as the separator line between
  the body and the signature of a message.
 
  (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3)

If you prefix your signature with DASH DASH SPACE, smart MUAs will
either show the signature in muted colours, in a collapsed state, or by
other means of making it less intrusive.

-Ralph

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.]

> On Nov 24, 2018, at 4:25 PM, @lbutlr  wrote:
> 
> This is a very excessive signature block. I’m glad your proud of your resume, 
> but inflicting itnon a mailing list with every post is a bit much. 

It's not a matter of pride, and I generally don't disagree with you...however 
when discussing things actually having to do with the law, I have found that 
establishing my expertise and authority up front tends to ward off lengthy 
discussions that take up way more mailing list bandwidth than the signature.

Much like this email, really.

Anne

Anne P. Mitchell, 
Attorney at Law
GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
Legislative Consultant
CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy
Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute
Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center
California Bar Association
Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee
Colorado Cyber Committee
Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[@lbutlr]

This is a very excessive signature block. I’m glad your proud of your resume, 
but inflicting itnon a mailing list with every post is a bit much. 

On Nov 21, 2018, at 12:39, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.  wrote:
> Anne P. Mitchell, 
> Attorney at Law
> GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
> Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
> Legislative Consultant
> CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute
> Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center
> California Bar Association
> Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee
> Colorado Cyber Committee
> Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
> Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Rupert Gallagher]

The "right to be forgotten" is the natural outcome of three decades of 
self-inflicted pain. Some argue that deleting old e-mails is like re-writing 
history. Other, like me, argue that e-mail was born as an informal medium, 
different than, for example, a published book or factual evidence of a 
genocide. I contend that e-mail can only be included as evidence in court if 
the forensics are both sound and complete, because (most) e-mails can be easily 
fabricated. Would you like to be convicted by a fake e-mail? I guess not. Also, 
many of those "archives" have no legal or commercial value. They are not a book 
you can re-sell. Granted that, there are people who committed suicide out of 
shame, because they were the object of defamation or cyberbullying, things that 
move almost no one, until it happens to their children. A number of lawyers in 
the EU just couldn't pass by without taking notice. Both the US and the UN at 
some point will follow up, and make the world a better place.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 20:39, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.  
wrote

>> On Nov 21, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Bill Cole 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 13:03, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
>>
>>> Except for the private right of action provided in GDPR, and small claims 
>>> court in the U.S.
>>
>> Are you saying an EU law can create an actionable civil tort claim in a US 
>> state small claims court for actions which are not illegal under any US 
>> state or federal law?
>
> No, I'm saying that anybody can sue anybody for anything in the U.S., and 
> it's extremely easy to file an action in small claims court. It wouldn't even 
> have to be, technically, 'under' GDPR (as you mention, there is always tort) 
> - but GDPR would be the hook that they would use, and the authority (note I 
> said authority, not law) they would cite.
>
> That said, I think it's much more likely that the lawsuits already filed 
> against Google and Facebook by Max Schrems will be ones to test the 
> jurisdiction/enforcement issues.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne P. Mitchell,
> Attorney at Law
> GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
> Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
> Legislative Consultant
> CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute
> Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center
> California Bar Association
> Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee
> Colorado Cyber Committee
> Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
> Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.]

> On Nov 21, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Bill Cole 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 21 Nov 2018, at 13:03, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
> 
>> Except for the private right of action provided in GDPR, and small claims 
>> court in the U.S.
> 
> Are you saying an EU law can create an actionable civil tort claim in a US 
> state small claims court for actions which are not illegal under any US state 
> or federal law?

No, I'm saying that anybody can sue anybody for anything in the U.S., and it's 
extremely easy to file an action in small claims court.  It wouldn't even have 
to be, technically, 'under' GDPR (as you mention, there is always tort) - but 
GDPR would be the hook that they would use, and the authority (note I said 
authority, not law) they would cite.

That said, I think it's much more likely that the lawsuits already filed 
against Google and Facebook by Max Schrems will be ones to test the 
jurisdiction/enforcement issues.

Anne

Anne P. Mitchell, 
Attorney at Law
GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
Legislative Consultant
CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy
Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute
Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center
California Bar Association
Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee
Colorado Cyber Committee
Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Bob Proulx]

Benny Pedersen wrote:
> Kevin Miller wrote:
> > My particular favorite fix is, if the mail list has a web preferences
> > page, to go to there and edit the preferences then set the email address
> > to postmaster@localhost.  Now it's their problem. 
> 
> If thay test fqdn it Will be your problem
> :)

I have often done similar by sending the email to nobody@theirdomain
where theirdomain is the sites fqdn.  I am often surprised at how
often it is rejected as already in use by another account!  Someone
else has beat me to it!

Bob

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Bill Cole]

On 21 Nov 2018, at 13:03, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:

Except for the private right of action provided in GDPR, and small 
claims court in the U.S.


Are you saying an EU law can create an actionable civil tort claim in a 
US state small claims court for actions which are not illegal under any 
US state or federal law?


That would be novel... have there actually been successful cases?

--
Bill Cole

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.]

P.S.  I should have added: the whole jurisdiction issue is, clinically 
speaking, one of the most interesting parts of GDPR. I've never seen a law that 
so broadly asserted that the country or union from which the law was 
promulgated will enforce it anywhere and everywhere - it's pretty damned gutsy. 
 It will almost certainly be sorted out through lawsuits, and that will 
definitely be popcorn time.


> On Nov 21, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Bill Cole 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no reason for anyone without a commercial presence in the EU or CH 
>> to be concerned with GDPR.
> 
> Except for the private right of action provided in GDPR, and small claims 
> court in the U.S.  
> 
> And, for entities that spam enough people "in the EU" (for our 
> analysis/explanation of that, along with why U.S. companies should comply 
> with GDPR, see here: 
> https://www.isipp.com/resources/how-email-marketing-must-comply-with-the-eu-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/
>   NB:  GDPR does not state anywhere that it applies to EU residents or 
> citizens, only the vague and ambiguous "in the EU") the language in GDPR that 
> states they will go after anyone, anywhere in the world.
> 
> Anne
> 
> Anne P. Mitchell, 
> Attorney at Law
> GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
> Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
> Legislative Consultant
> CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute
> Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center
> California Bar Association
> Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee
> Colorado Cyber Committee
> Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
> Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.]

> On Nov 21, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Bill Cole 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no reason for anyone without a commercial presence in the EU or CH 
> to be concerned with GDPR.

Except for the private right of action provided in GDPR, and small claims court 
in the U.S.  

And, for entities that spam enough people "in the EU" (for our 
analysis/explanation of that, along with why U.S. companies should comply with 
GDPR, see here: 
https://www.isipp.com/resources/how-email-marketing-must-comply-with-the-eu-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/
  NB:  GDPR does not state anywhere that it applies to EU residents or 
citizens, only the vague and ambiguous "in the EU") the language in GDPR that 
states they will go after anyone, anywhere in the world.

Anne

Anne P. Mitchell, 
Attorney at Law
GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
Legislative Consultant
CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy
Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute
Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center
California Bar Association
Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee
Colorado Cyber Committee
Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 03:41, John Hardin  wrote:


On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:


The email address is an address, part of your personally identifiable
data.


I'm not disputing that. I write software that deals with PII in my day job.


If an identifiable entity in the US sends mass mail to European
addresses, then they must have a representative in Europe and comply
with the GDPR.


(1) how do you *force* someone in the US to have a representative in
Europe?


You file a complaint with your national ombudsman. In your case, stress 
the fact that they are processing political data in addition to common 
data. Do not expect immediate termination of spam. The ombudsman will 
proceed to verify the facts, identify the parties involved, check 
compliance claims, and enforce the EU-US bilateral agreement.


see the discussion of the bilateral agreement below.


In the end, the spammers


Point of order: we're not talking about spammers per se, we're talking 
about a legitimate US-only organization (NOT necessarily a business) that 
is sending email to an EU correspondant, possibly at that person's 
automatically-processed request (e.g. by subscribing to a mailing list).



will most likely refuse to appoint an EU representative,


Why would the organization do so, if their only interest is in the US?


and the EU will shut down their website.


If the organization has no presence in the EU, and the website is not 
hosted in the EU, *how*? The EU is *not* the World Government and Ultimate 
Internet Regulatory Authority.



(2) if they do no business in the EU, and do not have any presence in the
EU (sending email to addresses in the EU is not "having a presence in the
EU"), how are they subject to fines for violating the law in the EU?

If, for example, I - a private, non-commercial entity - hosted a mailing
list on my private server (which I have done in the past), and someone in
the EU subscribed and posted to that list and their email address was
captured in the list archives, and they later unsubscribed and asked for
their email address to be removed from the list archives, and I (for
whatever reason) did not do so, *how* would an EU court levy fines against
me?

The US is not a signatory to the GDPR as far as I am aware, and I have
*no* legal presence outside the US.


The US signed a bilateral agreement with the EU:
https://www.privacyshield.gov/


By my quick reading:

(1) that only applies to businesses and (apparently) common carriers - I 
don't see any suggestion that something like a domestic political advocacy 
group would be affected (I'm presuming that since such is not a commercial 
entity or common carrier they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the 
FTC or DOT), and certainly not a private citizen acting on their own 
behalf (like in my mailing list hypothetical above).


(2) it is a *voluntary* framework for assuring your customers you abide by 
requirements aligned with the GDPR, with certification by a third party 
that you do so.


(3) it only provides for punishment of companies that have *voluntarily* 
enrolled and don't actually implement the required controls, which is 
punished as "deceptive advertising" (i.e. claiming to protect your 
privacy but not actually doing so); there are fines, but apparently there 
is no provision for the *huge* fines that GDPR threatens, and I see no 
provision for "shutting down a website" (though that may be dragged in 
via other FTC regulations related to deceptive advertising). If a company 
persistently violates the terms of their enrollment they will be removed 
from the program.


So: that does not appear to apply at all to me as a private citizen 
running a mailing list, and *probably* does not apply to purely-US 
non-business entities (e.g. a political advocacy organization) that have 
not applied for membership in the program so that they can publicly claim 
to be protecting your privacy under a framework similar to the GDPR.







On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 17:03, John Hardin  wrote:


On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:


Yes, if you are European, and might get some money as compensation.


From a US political advocacy group which has no commercial presence in EU?
How does GDPR apply in that situation?


On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:19, Joe Acquisto-j4  wrote:


Gents,

I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail I 
have no interest. This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.

Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief. 
Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been ignored as 
well.

While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
propriety, justice and my all around good nature. Besides, it hoses me off.

So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that might 
have an effect?


--
 John Hardin KA7OHZ 

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Bill Cole]

On 21 Nov 2018, at 9:03, Rupert Gallagher wrote:


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 03:41, John Hardin  wrote:

[...]
The US is not a signatory to the GDPR as far as I am aware, and I 
have

*no* legal presence outside the US.






The US signed a bilateral agreement with the EU:
https://www.privacyshield.gov/


It's widely misunderstood how hard it is for the US government to 
enforce the laws of other countries on US people and companies.


Participation in Privacy Shield is an entirely voluntary program and the 
only punishment for a self-certifying entity that claims to be complying 
is that if the FTC determines that they persist in non-compliance, they 
are removed from the list of complying entities and added to a list of 
persistent non-compliers. Beyond that, the only punishment would be if 
they continue to claim participation in Privacy Shield (i.e. simple 
fraud.)


There is no reason for anyone without a commercial presence in the EU or 
CH to be concerned with GDPR.

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Rupert Gallagher]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 03:41, John Hardin  wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:
>
>> The email address is an address, part of your personally identifiable
>> data.
>
> I'm not disputing that. I write software that deals with PII in my day job.
>
>> If an identifiable entity in the US sends mass mail to European
>> addresses, then they must have a representative in Europe and comply
>> with the GDPR.
>
> (1) how do you *force* someone in the US to have a representative in
> Europe?

> You file a complaint with your national ombudsman. In your case, stress the 
> fact that they are processing political data in addition to common data. Do 
> not expect immediate termination of spam. The ombudsman will proceed to 
> verify the facts, identify the parties involved, check compliance claims, and 
> enforce the EU-US bilateral agreement. In the end, the spammers will most 
> likely refuse to appoint an EU representative, and the EU will shut down 
> their website.

> (2) if they do no business in the EU, and do not have any presence in the
> EU (sending email to addresses in the EU is not "having a presence in the
> EU"), how are they subject to fines for violating the law in the EU?
>
> If, for example, I - a private, non-commercial entity - hosted a mailing
> list on my private server (which I have done in the past), and someone in
> the EU subscribed and posted to that list and their email address was
> captured in the list archives, and they later unsubscribed and asked for
> their email address to be removed from the list archives, and I (for
> whatever reason) did not do so, *how* would an EU court levy fines against
> me?
>
> The US is not a signatory to the GDPR as far as I am aware, and I have
> *no* legal presence outside the US.

>

The US signed a bilateral agreement with the EU:
https://www.privacyshield.gov/

>

>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 17:03, John Hardin  wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, if you are European, and might get some money as compensation.
>>>
>>> From a US political advocacy group which has no commercial presence in EU?
>>> How does GDPR apply in that situation?
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:19, Joe Acquisto-j4  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gents,
>>>>>
>>>>> I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail 
>>>>> I have no interest. This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief. 
>>>>> Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been 
>>>>> ignored as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
>>>>> propriety, justice and my all around good nature. Besides, it hoses me 
>>>>> off.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that 
>>>>> might have an effect?
>
> --
> John Hardin KA7OHZ http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/
> jhar...@impsec.org FALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org
> key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79
> ---
> The question of whether people should be allowed to harm themselves
> is simple. They *must*. -- Charles Murray
> ---
> 600 days since the first commercial re-flight of an orbital booster (SpaceX)

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[John Hardin]

On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:

The email address is an address, part of your personally identifiable 
data.


I'm not disputing that. I write software that deals with PII in my day 
job.


If an identifiable entity in the US sends mass mail to European 
addresses, then they must have a representative in Europe and comply 
with the GDPR.


(1) how do you *force* someone in the US to have a representative in 
Europe?


(2) if they do no business in the EU, and do not have any presence in the 
EU (sending email to addresses in the EU is not "having a presence in the 
EU"), how are they subject to fines for violating the law in the EU?


If, for example, I - a private, non-commercial entity - hosted a mailing 
list on my private server (which I have done in the past), and someone in 
the EU subscribed and posted to that list and their email address was 
captured in the list archives, and they later unsubscribed and asked for 
their email address to be removed from the list archives, and I (for 
whatever reason) did not do so, *how* would an EU court levy fines against 
me?


The US is not a signatory to the GDPR as far as I am aware, and I have 
*no* legal presence outside the US.




On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 17:03, John Hardin  wrote:


On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:


Yes, if you are European, and might get some money as compensation.


From a US political advocacy group which has no commercial presence in EU?
How does GDPR apply in that situation?


On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:19, Joe Acquisto-j4  wrote:


Gents,

I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail I 
have no interest. This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.

Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief. 
Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been ignored as 
well.

While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
propriety, justice and my all around good nature. Besides, it hoses me off.

So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that might 
have an effect?


--
 John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/
 jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org
 key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C  AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79
---
  The question of whether people should be allowed to harm themselves
  is simple. They *must*.   -- Charles Murray
---
 600 days since the first commercial re-flight of an orbital booster (SpaceX)

RE: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Benny Pedersen]

On 21. november 2018 01.32.37 Kevin Miller 
My particular favorite fix is, if the mail list has a web preferences page, 
to go to there and edit the preferences then set the email address to 
postmaster@localhost.  Now it's their problem. 


If thay test fqdn it Will be your problem

:)

RE: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Kevin Miller]

No worries.  Someone with a similar issue will search for a solution someday, 
and have one at hand.  :-)

My particular favorite fix is, if the mail list has a web preferences page, to 
go to there and edit the preferences then set the email address to 
postmaster@localhost.  Now it's their problem. 

...Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4588 Registered Linux User No: 307357


-Original Message-
From: Joe Acquisto-j4 [mailto:j...@j4computers.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:43 AM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe 
requests

>>> On 11/19/2018 at 4:35 PM, in message
, "Kevin A. McGrail"
 wrote:
> On 11/18/2018 10:19 PM, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
>> So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that 
> might have an effect?
> I would say some blacklists might be interested.  I certainly list
> emails based on consent. 

Ever have one of those days where you wish you had never raised your hand in 
class?   Seems I may have maligned this un named organization.

For legacy reasons I have two email accounts with similar domains aggregated 
into one.   Short story, I was un-subscribing the wrong one.  

Still, they could, perhaps, have done a quick check against their subscriber 
list, instead of reporting it as successfully unsubscribed.

See, there is always a way to make it someone else's fault.

Sorry for the wasted time.

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.]

> The email address is an address, part of your personally identifiable data. 
> If an identifiable entity in the US sends mass mail to European addresses, 
> then they must have a representative in Europe and comply with the GDPR. 

I somehow missed that John is in the U.K., and actually re-reading his email 
suggests that he may be in Canada ("hoses me off" ;-) )...  John, if you are in 
Canada than this may fall under CASL, in which case you can report the email 
here:

http://fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/eng/h_00017.html

If you are, in fact, in the EU, then by all means I'd go the route of invoking 
GDPR.  Many (if not most..sigh) entities in the U.S. believe that they don't 
have to worry or care about GDPR..however the language in GDPR that says, in 
essence, "we will go after anybody anywhere in the world who violates GDPR" 
coupled with the private right of action suggests that you'd at least have a 
shot.  The reason that political spam is exempted in the U.S. is because of the 
1st Amendment..which of course does not apply outside the U.S.. ;-)

Anne

Anne P. Mitchell, 
Attorney at Law
GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
Legislative Consultant
CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy
Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute
Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center
California Bar Association
Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee
Colorado Cyber Committee
Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop





> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 17:03, John Hardin  wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:
>> 
>> > Yes, if you are European, and might get some money as compensation.
>> 
>> From a US political advocacy group which has no commercial presence in EU?
>> How does GDPR apply in that situation?
>> 
>> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:19, Joe Acquisto-j4  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gents,
>> >>
>> >> I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail 
>> >> I have no interest. This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.
>> >>
>> >> Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief. 
>> >> Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been 
>> >> ignored as well.
>> >>
>> >> While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
>> >> propriety, justice and my all around good nature. Besides, it hoses me 
>> >> off.
>> >>
>> >> So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that 
>> >> might have an effect?
>> 
>> --
>> John Hardin KA7OHZ http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/
>> jhar...@impsec.org FALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org
>> key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79
>> ---
>> The world has enough Mouse Clicking System Engineers.
>> -- Dave Pooser
>> ---
>> 600 days since the first commercial re-flight of an orbital booster (SpaceX)
> 
> 

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Rupert Gallagher]

The email address is an address, part of your personally identifiable data. If 
an identifiable entity in the US sends mass mail to European addresses, then 
they must have a representative in Europe and comply with the GDPR.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 17:03, John Hardin  wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:
>
>> Yes, if you are European, and might get some money as compensation.
>
> From a US political advocacy group which has no commercial presence in EU?
> How does GDPR apply in that situation?
>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:19, Joe Acquisto-j4  wrote:
>>
>>> Gents,
>>>
>>> I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail I 
>>> have no interest. This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.
>>>
>>> Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief. 
>>> Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been 
>>> ignored as well.
>>>
>>> While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
>>> propriety, justice and my all around good nature. Besides, it hoses me off.
>>>
>>> So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that 
>>> might have an effect?
>
> --
> John Hardin KA7OHZ http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/
> jhar...@impsec.org FALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org
> key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79
> ---
> The world has enough Mouse Clicking System Engineers.
> -- Dave Pooser
> ---
> 600 days since the first commercial re-flight of an orbital booster (SpaceX)

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.]

> 
> Gents,  

Ahem.  ;-)


> 
> I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail I 
> have no interest.  This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.  
> 
> Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief.  
> Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been ignored 
> as well.
> 
> While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
> propriety, justice and my all around good nature.  Besides, it hoses me off.
> 
> So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that 
> might have an effect?

Speaking as someone who actually wrote part of the U.S. anti-spam law (of which 
I'm the first to say that it is pathetic and anemic (except of course, the part 
that I wrote ;-) )...I can say categorically that political email is exempt 
from most Federal law relating to email, email marketing, etc.. 

But THAT said, a word to their provider can (and sometimes does) still have the 
desired (individual) effect, because providers care about their IP space 
reputation (more so than most political campaigns).

Anne

Anne P. Mitchell, 
Attorney at Law
GDPR, CCPA (CA) & CCDPA (CO) Compliance Consultant
Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law)
Legislative Consultant
CEO/President, Institute for Social Internet Public Policy
Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
Board of Directors, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
Legal Counsel: The CyberGreen Institute
Legal Counsel: The Earth Law Center
California Bar Association
Cal. Bar Cyberspace Law Committee
Colorado Cyber Committee
Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Rupert Gallagher]

Spam is income for those who sell it, a cost for those who buy it, and a 
liability for those who receive it. Thousands of junk and weaponized messages 
try their luck while wasting our resources. It is not by accident that we have 
anti-spam laws. Our unpaid job is to reject spam efficiently. Sometimes you 
cannot reject it, because sent properly, by someone you can identify, and it 
falls within your legal reach. That's when you file a complaint to the 
ombudsman and cash in a small reward for the inconvenience. Laws are there for 
us, not against us.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:36, Martin Gregorie  wrote:

> On 18 Nov 2018, at 22:19, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
>>
>> > Gents,
>> >
>> > I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in
>> > whose mail I have no interest. This is a legitimate AFAIK, US
>> > organization.
>> >
> I just auto-bin this stuff if their 'unsubscribe' link doesn't work.
> Emirates, the well-known airline, is the latest outfit to get this
> treatment here.
>
> However, given the recently mentioned US freedoms of political speech,
> why can't you simply exercise your freedoms by reflecting it back to
> the mailing list unseen but with a polite note added to the the body in
> big caps saying something along the lines of:
>
> "I tried to unsubscribe from your list but that doesn't work, so here's
> your unwanted mail back. Kindly take me off your list".
>
> I don't see how that could be twisted into offensive speech, but it
> just might embarrass their mailadmin into taking you off the list.
>
> Martin

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Kevin A. McGrail]

On 11/20/2018 2:43 PM, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
> Seems I may have maligned this un named organization.

Other than maligning their cosmic karma, not really sure asking about
how to gritch about them but not actually doing anything does any real
harm :-)

-- 
Kevin A. McGrail
VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Joe Acquisto-j4]

>>> On 11/19/2018 at 4:35 PM, in message
, "Kevin A. McGrail"
 wrote:
> On 11/18/2018 10:19 PM, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
>> So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that 
> might have an effect?
> I would say some blacklists might be interested.  I certainly list
> emails based on consent. 

Ever have one of those days where you wish you had never raised your hand in 
class?   Seems I may have maligned this un named organization.

For legacy reasons I have two email accounts with similar domains aggregated 
into one.   Short story, I was un-subscribing the wrong one.  

Still, they could, perhaps, have done a quick check against their subscriber 
list, instead of reporting it as successfully unsubscribed.

See, there is always a way to make it someone else's fault.

Sorry for the wasted time.

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[John Hardin]

On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Rupert Gallagher wrote:


Yes, if you are European, and might get some money as compensation.


From a US political advocacy group which has no commercial presence in EU? 

How does GDPR apply in that situation?


On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:19, Joe Acquisto-j4  wrote:


Gents,

I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail I 
have no interest. This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.

Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief. 
Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been ignored as 
well.

While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
propriety, justice and my all around good nature. Besides, it hoses me off.

So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that might 
have an effect?


--
 John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/
 jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org
 key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C  AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79
---
  The world has enough Mouse Clicking System Engineers.
   -- Dave Pooser
---
 600 days since the first commercial re-flight of an orbital booster (SpaceX)

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Martin Gregorie]

On 18 Nov 2018, at 22:19, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
> 
> > Gents,
> > 
> > I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in
> > whose mail I have no interest.  This is a legitimate AFAIK, US
> > organization.
> > 
I just auto-bin this stuff if their 'unsubscribe' link doesn't work.
Emirates, the well-known airline, is the latest outfit to get this
treatment here.

However, given the recently mentioned US freedoms of political speech,
why can't you simply exercise your freedoms by reflecting it back to
the mailing list unseen but with a polite note added to the the body in
big caps saying something along the lines of: 

"I tried to unsubscribe from your list but that doesn't work, so here's
your unwanted mail back. Kindly take me off your list".

I don't see how that could be twisted into offensive speech, but it
just might embarrass their mailadmin into taking you off the list.


Martin

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Rupert Gallagher]

Yes, if you are European, and might get some money as compensation.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:19, Joe Acquisto-j4  wrote:

> Gents,
>
> I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail I 
> have no interest. This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.
>
> Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief. 
> Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been ignored 
> as well.
>
> While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
> propriety, justice and my all around good nature. Besides, it hoses me off.
>
> So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that 
> might have an effect?

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Kevin A. McGrail]

On 11/18/2018 10:19 PM, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
> So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that 
> might have an effect?
I would say some blacklists might be interested.  I certainly list
emails based on consent. 

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Pedro David Marco]

 In Europe according to GDPR that would probably lead to an epic fine

On Monday, November 19, 2018, 4:35:56 PM GMT+1, Bill Cole 
 wrote:  
 
 >Short answer: No.
>
>Political and charitable entities are not governed by the main anti-spam 
>law in the US (known as "CAN-SPAM") on the theory that if they were not, 
only governs *commercial* email, which has weaker legal protection from 
>government regulation than does political speech or straight 
>solicitations for charity.


PedroD  

Re: semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Bill Cole]

On 18 Nov 2018, at 22:19, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:


Gents,

I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose 
mail I have no interest.  This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.


Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided 
relief.  Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to 
have been ignored as well.


While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
propriety, justice and my all around good nature.  Besides, it hoses 
me off.


So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? 
that might have an effect?


Short answer: No.

Political and charitable entities are not governed by the main anti-spam 
law in the US (known as "CAN-SPAM") on the theory that if they were not, 
they could invalidate the whole law on constitutional grounds. CAN-SPAM 
only governs *commercial* email, which has weaker legal protection from 
government regulation than does political speech or straight 
solicitations for charity.

semi-OT - reporting an organization that ignores unsubscribe requests

[Joe Acquisto-j4]

Gents,

I somehow became subscribed to a list, political in nature, in whose mail I 
have no interest.  This is a legitimate AFAIK, US organization.  

Thus far, several uses of their unsubscribe link had not provided relief.  
Direct email to the founder and operations manager seem to have been ignored as 
well.

While I can just dump their mail, it offends my finely hones sense of 
propriety, justice and my all around good nature.  Besides, it hoses me off.

So, is there some "authority" to which I can report these a**holes? that might 
have an effect?

unsubscribe

[Kai Schaetzl]

unsubscribe

Re: confirm unsubscribe from users@spamassassin.apache.org

[server]

Thanks for helping.

Bruce

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On 05/04/2017, 20:26, "Bret Miller" <bret.mil...@gci.org> wrote:

>On 4/5/2017 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> * when you subscribe you get a welcome message
>> * that message explains it and says "keep me stored"
>> * HOW did you subscribe? the same way you unsubscribe
>
>And if I subscribed 2 years ago, do you honestly think I remember how I
>subscribed?
>
>> * every mailing list on this planet works the same way
>
>Actually, they don't. Most mailing lists I subscribe to contain an
>unsubscribe link at the bottom of the message.
>
>> common sense: how and why do you imagine that 1000, 2000 or how much
>> subscribers a list has handle your request?
>
>I don't. I'm just playing the other side here. Techies like us tend to
>be unfriendly about the way we communicate. We also expect people to
>just know stuff. But for people who are doing multiple jobs, and who
>isn't these days, the people who "just know" stuff are fewer.
>
>I would never send an unsubscribe to a list because I know it's bad
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>people do it all the time without meaning to offend anyone.
>
>The technology world has changed. Many people are used to graphical
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>command line. Many of them have never seen a message header, let alone
>could read it. I know there should be a higher expectation on this list.
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[Dianne Skoll]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:26:56 -0700
Bret Miller <bret.mil...@gci.org> wrote:

[...]

> I would never send an unsubscribe to a list because I know it's bad 
> etiquette, just like I know that typing in all caps is "shouting".
> But people do it all the time without meaning to offend anyone.

I wonder if technology exists that could detect and stop such messages?

Wouldn't such technology be amazing?  If only someone would come up with
it.

:P

Regards,

Dianne.

Re: Unsubscribe

[Bret Miller]

On 4/5/2017 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

* when you subscribe you get a welcome message
* that message explains it and says "keep me stored"
* HOW did you subscribe? the same way you unsubscribe


And if I subscribed 2 years ago, do you honestly think I remember how I 
subscribed?



* every mailing list on this planet works the same way


Actually, they don't. Most mailing lists I subscribe to contain an 
unsubscribe link at the bottom of the message.



common sense: how and why do you imagine that 1000, 2000 or how much
subscribers a list has handle your request?


I don't. I'm just playing the other side here. Techies like us tend to 
be unfriendly about the way we communicate. We also expect people to 
just know stuff. But for people who are doing multiple jobs, and who 
isn't these days, the people who "just know" stuff are fewer.


I would never send an unsubscribe to a list because I know it's bad 
etiquette, just like I know that typing in all caps is "shouting". But 
people do it all the time without meaning to offend anyone.


The technology world has changed. Many people are used to graphical 
interfaces and haven't the slightest idea how to run anything from the 
command line. Many of them have never seen a message header, let alone 
could read it. I know there should be a higher expectation on this list. 
But would it be so bad to add a footer that says how to unsubscribe?


It would be more friendly. And it would help people not offend others.

Just saying...

RE: Unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Bret Miller wrote:


True that, but it's not entirely obvious how to view the message headers in 
many of today's mail clients. Of course, if you're on this list, you'd think 
you'd understand where to find them...


My MUA recognizes them and exposes them to the user as a link:

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RE: Unsubscribe

[Bret Miller]

True that, but it's not entirely obvious how to view the message headers in 
many of today's mail clients. Of course, if you're on this list, you'd think 
you'd understand where to find them...


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> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Jim McLachlan  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I did a direct reply instead of a reply to the list.  I hope this 
> corrects that.
> 
> Hi KAM,
> 
>You're confused   Not as much as me.  I'm completely baffled
> 
>I've posted my master.cf to http://pasted.co/ba783cac just in case that 
> might be useful.
> 
>It looks like my mail.* logs are rotated weekly.  I'll change that so 
> they're rotated daily.  That will certainly help, but I'm sure it would be 
> good for the disk and CPU if I can reduce the amount of data being logged.
> 
>Kind regards.
> 
>Jim.
> 
> 
>> On 04/04/17 23:55, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>>> On 4/4/2017 6:42 PM, Jim McLachlan wrote:
>>> amavis1680 1  0  2016 ?00:01:40 /usr/sbin/amavisd-new 
>>> (master)
>>> amavis   10898  1680  0 17:29 ?00:00:01 /usr/sbin/amavisd-new 
>>> (ch7-avail)
>>> amavis   15292  1680  0 22:16 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/amavisd-new 
>>> (ch1-avail)
>>> postfix  15337  7599  0 22:19 ?00:00:00 smtp -n amavis -t unix -u -o
>>> smtp_data_done_timeout=1200 -o smtp_send_xforward_command=yes -o
>>> disable_dns_lookups=yes -o max_use=20
>>> amavis   15344  1680  0 22:19 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/amavisd-new 
>>> (ch1-avail)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>I've posted the spamfilter.sh file to http://pasted.co/7b794ccd
>>> 
>>>I don't see anything in there about verbose logging
>> 
>> Quick points:
>> 
>> 1 - The verbose logging (which I don't think is the issue) would be in your
>> postfix master.cf indicated by -v on smtpd.  Reviewing the log snippet, I saw
>> nothing that looked like too much logging, anything looping, etc.
>> 
>> 2 - I am confused if you have amavis why you would also have spamfilter.sh.  
>> I
>> don't use amavisd-new but I'm sure some here do and can comment.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> KAM
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[John Hardin]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, Benjamin E. Nichols wrote:


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Normally I don't respond to unsubscribe requests with this comment to be 
polite, but in this case you have shown you don't deserve that 
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Re: Unsubscribe

[Benny Pedersen]

On 2016-08-18 17:08, Antony Stone wrote:


or in every list msg's headers .-)



Indeed:


squirrelmail have it, i still miss it in roundcube, horde hmm ?, 
thunderbird have it as a plugin, microsoft and apple dont give a damm 
about it :=)


pick your own battles

Re: Unsubscribe

[Antony Stone]

On Thursday 18 August 2016 at 17:07:31, Axb wrote:

> On 08/18/2016 05:05 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
> > On 8/18/2016 10:57 AM, Benjamin E. Nichols wrote:
> >>  Benjamin  E. Nichols
> >> 
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> >> 1-405-397-1360 
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> > Documentation on how to unsubscribe from the list can be found on
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> 
> or in every list msg's headers .-)

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[Axb]

On 08/18/2016 05:05 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:

On 8/18/2016 10:57 AM, Benjamin E. Nichols wrote:




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Documentation on how to unsubscribe from the list can be found on
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or in every list msg's headers .-)

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[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 01:15 schrieb Michael:

I have been trying on and off over the past few years to unsubscribe
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page to do it.

Can someone please help?


surely, the mail-headers like on all other mailing-lists

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I have been trying on and off over the past few years to unsubscribe from this 
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Can someone please help? 

Re: Unsubscribe please!

[John Hardin]

On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Michael wrote:

I have been trying on and off over the past few years to unsubscribe 
from this list but it never seems to happen! And yes, I’ve used the list 
page to do it.


Have you tried this? (from the headers in every list message)

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Can someone please help?


It's supposed to be self-service.

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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your  a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody

On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 * don't hijack threads
 * don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
 * just unsubscribe yourself

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 Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:
 Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

 Hi,
 I drive spamassassin using spampd.

 I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
 me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

 1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
 and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
 X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
 so now effectively I have no filtering.

 2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
 /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

 As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
 spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
 the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
 down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
 know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
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 Any advice gratefully received

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:

how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody


what is your problem?
i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

so just shut up if nobody asked you!


On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

* don't hijack threads
* don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
* just unsubscribe yourself

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

the same applies to any other mailing list
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Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:

Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

 Hi,
 I drive spamassassin using spampd.

 I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
 me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

 1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
 and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
 X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
 so now effectively I have no filtering.

 2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
 /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

 As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
 spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
 the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
 down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
 know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
 spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
 rules)

 Any advice gratefully received




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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

my problem is pompus asswipe dictators like you who interfere where
not required, and go out of their way to abuse people and speak like
acid to them it is my aum in life to rid the internet of scum like you

centos list BANNED
fedora list MODERATED
roundcube list MODERATED
dovecot list FINAL WARNING
apache list FINAL WARNING
postfix list BANNED

says all anyone needs to know about your modus operandi

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:
 how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
 fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
 god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody

 what is your problem?
 i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

 so just shut up if nobody asked you!

 On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 * don't hijack threads
 * don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
 * just unsubscribe yourself

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 the same applies to any other mailing list
 https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

 Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:
 Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

  Hi,
  I drive spamassassin using spampd.

  I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
  me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

  1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
  and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
  X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
  so now effectively I have no filtering.

  2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
  /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

  As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
  spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
  the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
  down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
  know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
  spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
  rules)

  Any advice gratefully received

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 13:30 schrieb Nick Edwards:

my problem is pompus asswipe dictators like you who interfere where
not required, and go out of their way to abuse people and speak like
acid to them it is my aum in life to rid the internet of scum like you


there was nothing abusive in my response

* question akes ina wrong way
* question answered
* sub thread finished

*then you* decided as so oftento start your abusive bullshit

the only guy who acts abusive all the time you face in your mirror and 
so better hire a psychologists because you need seriously help



centos list BANNED


so what


fedora list MODERATED


not true for many months


roundcube list MODERATED


because repsonses like yours in that thread


dovecot list FINAL WARNING


from you? *laugh*


apache list FINAL WARNING


from you? *laugh*


postfix list BANNED


active all the time


says all anyone needs to know about your modus operandi


and who do you think you are to judge?
get your head closed boy!


On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:

how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody


what is your problem?
i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

so just shut up if nobody asked you!


On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

* don't hijack threads
* don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
* just unsubscribe yourself

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

the same applies to any other mailing list
https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:

Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

  Hi,
  I drive spamassassin using spampd.

  I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
  me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

  1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
  and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
  X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
  so now effectively I have no filtering.

  2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
  /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

  As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
  spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
  the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
  down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
  know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
  spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
  rules)

  Any advice gratefully received




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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 26.11.2014 um 13:30 schrieb Nick Edwards:
 my problem is pompus asswipe dictators like you who interfere where
 not required, and go out of their way to abuse people and speak like
 acid to them it is my aum in life to rid the internet of scum like you

 there was nothing abusive in my response

 * question akes ina wrong way
 * question answered
 * sub thread finished

 *then you* decided as so oftento start your abusive bullshit

 the only guy who acts abusive all the time you face in your mirror and
 so better hire a psychologists because you need seriously help

 centos list BANNED

 so what

 fedora list MODERATED

 not true for many months


oh because you allegedly unsubscribed

 roundcube list MODERATED

 because repsonses like yours in that thread

 dovecot list FINAL WARNING

 from you? *laugh*
archives show the msg from Timo


 apache list FINAL WARNING

 from you? *laugh*

archives show the msg from Guenther


 postfix list BANNED

 active all the time


no, you were banned, but you resubscribed under another account

 says all anyone needs to know about your modus operandi

 and who do you think you are to judge?
 get your head closed boy!

my head LOL, oh look who's talking you paranoid fool, you accused me
and someone else of being the same person, NEWSFLASH  that same
someone else at this very time is rather near you, in Rodenbach
staying with friends, maybe he will pay you a visit LOL



 On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:
 how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
 fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
 god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody

 what is your problem?
 i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

 so just shut up if nobody asked you!

 On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 * don't hijack threads
 * don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
 * just unsubscribe yourself

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 the same applies to any other mailing list
 https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

 Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:
 Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

   Hi,
   I drive spamassassin using spampd.

   I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's
 taken
   me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing
 changes.

   1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see
 X-Spam-Level
   and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still
 have
   X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger
 rejection,
   so now effectively I have no filtering.

   2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
   /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

   As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
   spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
   the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
   down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
   know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
   spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
   rules)

   Any advice gratefully received

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 13:46 schrieb Nick Edwards:

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 13:30 schrieb Nick Edwards:

my problem is pompus asswipe dictators like you who interfere where
not required, and go out of their way to abuse people and speak like
acid to them it is my aum in life to rid the internet of scum like you


there was nothing abusive in my response

* question akes ina wrong way
* question answered
* sub thread finished

*then you* decided as so often to start your abusive bullshit

the only guy who acts abusive all the time you face in your mirror and
so better hire a psychologists because you need seriously help


centos list BANNED


so what


fedora list MODERATED


not true for many months


oh because you allegedly unsubscribed


bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html


roundcube list MODERATED


because repsonses like yours in that thread


dovecot list FINAL WARNING


from you? *laugh*

archives show the msg from Timo


the archive shows clearly that the same abusive way you act here was the 
reason for the flamewar



apache list FINAL WARNING


from you? *laugh*


archives show the msg from Guenther


where?


postfix list BANNED


active all the time


no, you were banned, but you resubscribed under another account


and the reason of the ban was a response to a ad hominem attack like you 
do all the time



says all anyone needs to know about your modus operandi


and who do you think you are to judge?
get your head closed boy!


my head LOL, oh look who's talking you paranoid fool, you accused me
and someone else of being the same person, NEWSFLASH  that same
someone else at this very time is rather near you, in Rodenbach
staying with friends, maybe he will pay you a visit LOL


why can't you just stop your personal attacks and name callings which 
you accuse me all the time but the only guy doing so is you?


creep away and just don't read posts from people you don't like or do 
you need a manual for your mail-client?



On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:

how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody


what is your problem?
i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

so just shut up if nobody asked you!


On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

* don't hijack threads
* don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
* just unsubscribe yourself

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

the same applies to any other mailing list
https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:

Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

   Hi,
   I drive spamassassin using spampd.

   I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's
taken
   me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing
changes.

   1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see
X-Spam-Level
   and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still
have
   X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger
rejection,
   so now effectively I have no filtering.

   2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
   /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

   As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
   spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
   the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
   down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
   know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
   spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
   rules)

   Any advice gratefully received




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Re: unsubscribe

[Christopher X. Candreva]

How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe would get 
you banned no questions asked.

On November 26, 2014 7:19:15 AM EST, Nick Edwards nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com 
wrote:
how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your  a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody

On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 * don't hijack threads
 * don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
 * just unsubscribe yourself

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 the same applies to any other mailing list
 https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

 Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:
 Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

 Hi,
 I drive spamassassin using spampd.

 I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
 me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing
changes.

 1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see
X-Spam-Level
 and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
 X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
 so now effectively I have no filtering.

 2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
 /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

 As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
 spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
 the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
 down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
 know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
 spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
 rules)

 Any advice gratefully received



-- 
Sent from Kaiten Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: unsubscribe

[Axb]

Girls,

Please take your feud offlist.
It's totally offtopic

Thank you

Re: unsubscribe

[Anthony Cartmell]

How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe  
would get you banned no questions asked.


I'm always amused by the abusive language people sometimes use on this  
list.


Bad language, and personal attacks, reveal a lot more about the person  
doing the writing than the person they're trying to attack.


Anthony
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Re: unsubscribe

[David F. Skoll]

I will contribute one post to this thread.

http://marc.info/?l=spamassassin-usersm=14124117308w=2

Just saying.

Regards,

David.

Re: unsubscribe

[Quanah Gibson-Mount]

--On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:06 PM +0100 Axb axb.li...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Girls,


^ - Extremely sexist.  Please try some other form of insult in the 
future. ;)


--Quanah


--

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Server Architect
Zimbra, Inc.

Zimbra ::  the leader in open source messaging and collaboration

Re: unsubscribe

[Axb]

On 11/26/2014 07:54 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote:

--On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:06 PM +0100 Axb
axb.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Girls,


^ - Extremely sexist.  Please try some other form of insult in
the future. ;)


blame my education or lack of..   8-P

Re: unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Anthony Cartmell wrote:

How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe would 
get you banned no questions asked.


I'm always amused by the abusive language people sometimes use on this list.

Bad language, and personal attacks, reveal a lot more about the person doing 
the writing than the person they're trying to attack.


Agreed to both points.

Moderator, I am making an official request to ban Nick Edwards 
nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com for abuse. There is no call for and no excuse 
for such behavior.


--
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 jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org
 key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C  AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79
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  does quite what I want. I wish Christopher Robin was here.
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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



 fedora list MODERATED

 not true for many months

 oh because you allegedly unsubscribed

 bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html


dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well know it

Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

google reindl and his email address  he copped nothing he has not
dished out to others for years, now he plays innocent, thankfully
google does not lie, or hide.


On 11/27/14, John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote:
 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Anthony Cartmell wrote:

 How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe
 would

Re: unsubscribe

[Antony Stone]

On Wednesday 26 November 2014 at 21:05:30 (EU time), John Hardin wrote:

 Moderator, I am making an official request to ban Nick Edwards
 nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com for abuse. There is no call for and no excuse
 for such behavior.

From just an average member of this list, seconded.

He's even continuing, despite both parties being asked to take this personal 
dispute offlist.


Regards,


Antony.

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Nick Edwards:

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



fedora list MODERATED


not true for many months


oh because you allegedly unsubscribed


bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html


dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well know it


be precise or shut up *AND IN GENERAL* the past and other lists don#t 
matter *AT ALL* and so creep out of my sight at all


what about stop acting like a child?

* i did nothing wrong in my reply caused you again
  to start your vendetta

* even if - you are *not* in the position of a judge - *period*

* whatever you criticize i did *never* act in any way like
  a asshole as you do here *because* even if i don't find
  always nice enough words i *never* attack a person because
  of the person - *you do*

so creep away and care about your own stuff
what i do and say is *clearly* not your stuff - nowhere

you are a nobody in context of playing judge




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Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 23:44 schrieb Nick Edwards:

google reindl and his email address  he copped nothing he has not
dished out to others for years, now he plays innocent, thankfully
google does not lie, or hide.


did you pure asshole ever consider that i try to do my best to be more 
nice as been in the past?


who are you that you refer to how acted here and there by beeing *much 
more* abusive and personal than *i ever* was?


get a life!


On 11/27/14, John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Anthony Cartmell wrote:


How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe
would




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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

all people have to do is google you,

then they will know the truth about what  nasty bit of work you really
are and how you attack people all the time, that and all those list
bannings and moderations should make them realize who they are really
dealing with.


On 11/27/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 26.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Nick Edwards:
 On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 fedora list MODERATED

 not true for many months

 oh because you allegedly unsubscribed

 bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html

 dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well
 know it

 be precise or shut up *AND IN GENERAL* the past and other lists don#t
 matter *AT ALL* and so creep out of my sight at all

 what about stop acting like a child?

 * i did nothing wrong in my reply caused you again
to start your vendetta

 * even if - you are *not* in the position of a judge - *period*

 * whatever you criticize i did *never* act in any way like
a asshole as you do here *because* even if i don't find
always nice enough words i *never* attack a person because
of the person - *you do*

 so creep away and care about your own stuff
 what i do and say is *clearly* not your stuff - nowhere

 you are a nobody in context of playing judge

Re: unsubscribe

[Antony Stone]

On Wednesday 26 November 2014 at 23:44:10 (EU time), Nick Edwards wrote:

 google reindl and his email address  he copped nothing he has not
 dished out to others for years, now he plays innocent, thankfully
 google does not lie, or hide.

We don't care.  This list is for SpamAssassin discussions.  Please take up 
your personal concerns about other members with them personally, not here.


Antony.

-- 
Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but 
rather when there is nothing left to take away.

 - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

   Please reply to the list;
 please *don't* CC me.

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 23:54 schrieb Nick Edwards:

all people have to do is google you,

then they will know the truth about what  nasty bit of work you really
are and how you attack people all the time, that and all those list
bannings and moderations should make them realize who they are really
dealing with.


you still don't get it:

if someone should google me the same applies to you:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.roundcube.user/4500

it is *not* your business to judge *here* hwat i did in say in the past 
and somewhere else, especially as long *you* are the real abusive 
asshole - and there is no nicer word than asshole for your attitude


when i answer somewhere not that nice i *always* discuss about facts
you are *always* attacking in a pure personal way

care about your own acting and life while leave others in peace


On 11/27/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Nick Edwards:

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



fedora list MODERATED


not true for many months


oh because you allegedly unsubscribed


bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html


dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well
know it


be precise or shut up *AND IN GENERAL* the past and other lists don#t
matter *AT ALL* and so creep out of my sight at all

what about stop acting like a child?

* i did nothing wrong in my reply caused you again
to start your vendetta

* even if - you are *not* in the position of a judge - *period*

* whatever you criticize i did *never* act in any way like
a asshole as you do here *because* even if i don't find
always nice enough words i *never* attack a person because
of the person - *you do*

so creep away and care about your own stuff
what i do and say is *clearly* not your stuff - nowhere

you are a nobody in context of playing judge




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Re: unsubscribe

[Brett Schenker]

Holy crap. You're adults, this is a professional list. Start acting like
adults and if you want to continue this pissing match, take this off list.
You're cluttering my inbox, and this is beyond rude to those on the list.

For being anti-spam it sure feels like I'm being sent some right now.
On Nov 26, 2014 6:01 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 26.11.2014 um 23:54 schrieb Nick Edwards:

 all people have to do is google you,

 then they will know the truth about what  nasty bit of work you really
 are and how you attack people all the time, that and all those list
 bannings and moderations should make them realize who they are really
 dealing with.


 you still don't get it:

 if someone should google me the same applies to you:
 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.roundcube.user/4500

 it is *not* your business to judge *here* hwat i did in say in the past
 and somewhere else, especially as long *you* are the real abusive asshole -
 and there is no nicer word than asshole for your attitude

 when i answer somewhere not that nice i *always* discuss about facts
 you are *always* attacking in a pure personal way

 care about your own acting and life while leave others in peace

  On 11/27/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 26.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Nick Edwards:

 On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


  fedora list MODERATED


 not true for many months

  oh because you allegedly unsubscribed


 bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-
 November/thread.html


 dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well
 know it


 be precise or shut up *AND IN GENERAL* the past and other lists don#t
 matter *AT ALL* and so creep out of my sight at all

 what about stop acting like a child?

 * i did nothing wrong in my reply caused you again
 to start your vendetta

 * even if - you are *not* in the position of a judge - *period*

 * whatever you criticize i did *never* act in any way like
 a asshole as you do here *because* even if i don't find
 always nice enough words i *never* attack a person because
 of the person - *you do*

 so creep away and care about your own stuff
 what i do and say is *clearly* not your stuff - nowhere

 you are a nobody in context of playing judge

Re: [SA-Users] Re: unsubscribe

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:46:38PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote:
 On Wednesday 26 November 2014 at 21:05:30 (EU time), John Hardin wrote:
 
  Moderator, I am making an official request to ban Nick Edwards
  nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com for abuse. There is no call for and no excuse
  for such behavior.
 
 From just an average member of this list, seconded.
 
 He's even continuing, despite both parties being asked to take this personal 
 dispute offlist.

Not that this is a democracy but add me to the list of people sick of
this nonsense.  I am hardly one of Reindl's fans but I don't recall him
ever being this outright abusive, nor issuing the veiled threats I saw
from Edwards earlier.

I am quite sure that the Apache Foundation takes a very dim view of
these antics on resources they own as well.





John
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Re: unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 23:44 schrieb Nick Edwards:

 google reindl and his email address  he copped nothing he has not
 dished out to others for years, now he plays innocent, thankfully
 google does not lie, or hide.


did you pure asshole ever consider that i try to do my best to be more nice 
as been in the past?


Take it private or you'll get yourself banned too.

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