Disappointed

2006-03-09 Thread Mike Sabroff
I have read and sometimes participated in these postings and answers in 
hopes of either finding answers to problems I am having or might have in 
the future and found it a well organized and contained group.
I am disappointed though, in that I have posted a question in hopes of 
help with a problem I am experiencing and notta zilch zap. No response 
of any kind. So I posted it again and whappo,  forget you. No answer. Is 
it common to have to post several times before getting a response? Is 
there a time delay because of the numerous amounts of threads? Is it 
something I did?
I see a lot of really dumb things going through the postings and most of 
the time I try to remember that I once new nothing of Tomcat too, and 
that I still don't know very much and that no question is too dumb. Is 
my question too dumb?
Have I been Black-Listed because I had a cruel response on one of those 
days that I just couldn't hold it back anymore?


WASSUP???

Mike

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Re: Disappointed

2006-03-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
The Tomcat mailing list, like Tomcat itself, and like most open-source 
projects in general, are volunteer efforts.  People will answer what 
they feel they can, when they can.  You should start by having no 
expectation of getting an answer because you in fact may not, because no 
one knows the answer, because no one has the time to answer, or yes, 
because your question was silly (I don't know what your question was, so 
I cannot judge) or just because no one felt like answering.  If people 
deem your question to be something you should be able to answer yourself 
without much trouble, you may not get an answer (or you may get a simple 
RTFM answer).


As a volunteer endeavor, all of these are perfectly valid response, or 
non-responses, as the case may be.


One thing to keep in mind is that the open-source community is sometimes 
not the friendliest place.  Being nice is not valued as much as 
technical prowess is.  Between you and me, it personally took me a good 
deal of time to come to this understanding too.  I value people being 
cordial and helpful with each other, and I personally strive to bring 
those qualities to any post I make (sometimes I succeed and sometimes I 
don't!) but that is not a primary driver of a mailing list like this, 
technical discussion is.


I think the de facto standard to go by is codified here:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Read this and you will understand the community-driven projects like 
Tomcat a lot better I think and be able to interact better with them 
with the proper expectations.


Frank

Mike Sabroff wrote:
I have read and sometimes participated in these postings and answers in 
hopes of either finding answers to problems I am having or might have in 
the future and found it a well organized and contained group.
I am disappointed though, in that I have posted a question in hopes of 
help with a problem I am experiencing and notta zilch zap. No response 
of any kind. So I posted it again and whappo,  forget you. No answer. Is 
it common to have to post several times before getting a response? Is 
there a time delay because of the numerous amounts of threads? Is it 
something I did?
I see a lot of really dumb things going through the postings and most of 
the time I try to remember that I once new nothing of Tomcat too, and 
that I still don't know very much and that no question is too dumb. Is 
my question too dumb?
Have I been Black-Listed because I had a cruel response on one of those 
days that I just couldn't hold it back anymore?


WASSUP???

Mike



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Re: Disappointed

2006-03-09 Thread Leon Rosenberg
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

:-)
Leon

On 3/9/06, Mike Sabroff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have read and sometimes participated in these postings and answers in
 hopes of either finding answers to problems I am having or might have in
 the future and found it a well organized and contained group.
 I am disappointed though, in that I have posted a question in hopes of
 help with a problem I am experiencing and notta zilch zap. No response
 of any kind. So I posted it again and whappo,  forget you. No answer. Is
 it common to have to post several times before getting a response? Is
 there a time delay because of the numerous amounts of threads? Is it
 something I did?
 I see a lot of really dumb things going through the postings and most of
 the time I try to remember that I once new nothing of Tomcat too, and
 that I still don't know very much and that no question is too dumb. Is
 my question too dumb?
 Have I been Black-Listed because I had a cruel response on one of those
 days that I just couldn't hold it back anymore?

 WASSUP???

 Mike

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Re: Disappointed

2006-03-09 Thread David Smith
Sorry you feel that way.  I read your email.  Never seen anything like
it in any of my installs and there isn't much info to base a diagnosis
on.  So I didn't reply.  If you want help, write better questions and
offer more info.

--David

Mike Sabroff wrote:

 I have read and sometimes participated in these postings and answers
 in hopes of either finding answers to problems I am having or might
 have in the future and found it a well organized and contained group.
 I am disappointed though, in that I have posted a question in hopes of
 help with a problem I am experiencing and notta zilch zap. No response
 of any kind. So I posted it again and whappo,  forget you. No answer.
 Is it common to have to post several times before getting a response?
 Is there a time delay because of the numerous amounts of threads? Is
 it something I did?
 I see a lot of really dumb things going through the postings and most
 of the time I try to remember that I once new nothing of Tomcat too,
 and that I still don't know very much and that no question is too
 dumb. Is my question too dumb?
 Have I been Black-Listed because I had a cruel response on one of
 those days that I just couldn't hold it back anymore?

 WASSUP???

 Mike



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Re: Disappointed

2006-03-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti

Hehe, thanks for boiling my response down to a single line Leon! :) LOL

Frank

Leon Rosenberg wrote:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

:-)
Leon

On 3/9/06, Mike Sabroff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have read and sometimes participated in these postings and answers in
hopes of either finding answers to problems I am having or might have in
the future and found it a well organized and contained group.
I am disappointed though, in that I have posted a question in hopes of
help with a problem I am experiencing and notta zilch zap. No response
of any kind. So I posted it again and whappo,  forget you. No answer. Is
it common to have to post several times before getting a response? Is
there a time delay because of the numerous amounts of threads? Is it
something I did?
I see a lot of really dumb things going through the postings and most of
the time I try to remember that I once new nothing of Tomcat too, and
that I still don't know very much and that no question is too dumb. Is
my question too dumb?
Have I been Black-Listed because I had a cruel response on one of those
days that I just couldn't hold it back anymore?

WASSUP???

Mike

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Re: Disappointed

2006-03-09 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On 3/9/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hehe, thanks for boiling my response down to a single line Leon! :) LOL


You're welcome :-)
saw the post, pasted the link, hit reply. If I'd had language skills
so far developed as yours I would probably write the long explanation
lines too. But my skills are far beyond yours, so I just throwed in
the link :-)

 Frank

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Re: Disappointed

2006-03-09 Thread Mike Sabroff
Thanks for the responses to this post! And by the way, funny how I got 
answers to my original post after posting this...amaizing, and I am 
truly sincere in thanking you for the link.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

good stuff!

Mike

Leon Rosenberg wrote:

On 3/9/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Hehe, thanks for boiling my response down to a single line Leon! :) LOL




You're welcome :-)
saw the post, pasted the link, hit reply. If I'd had language skills
so far developed as yours I would probably write the long explanation
lines too. But my skills are far beyond yours, so I just throwed in
the link :-)

  

Frank



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