RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Gerardo Corro [mailto:rob_gar_...@hotmail.com] Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'm using Tomcat version 5.5.30, and I'm having a serious issue: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Often caused by a webapp calling System.exit(). -Xms5000m -Xmx5000m Do you have enough RAM + swap space to support that large a heap, along with the other memory requirements of the Tomcat process and all other processes on the system? If not, you may well be getting hit by the Linux OOM-killer, which leaves few traces. However Tomcat fails quite often, no trace information can be found in logs, neither my app logs nor tomcat logs. What about a core file, or a JVM crash file? - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Hi, Thanks for your email Do you have enough RAM + swap space to support that large a heap, along with the other memory requirements of the Tomcat process and all other processes on the system? If not, you may well be getting hit by the Linux OOM-killer, which leaves few traces. Yes we do, we have 6GB total memory However Tomcat fails quite often, no trace information can be found in logs, neither my app logs nor tomcat logs. What about a core file, or a JVM crash file? No core files neither jvm crash files :( Best regards
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Hi, We have enabled the GC logs on our production and our tomcat server crashed too!! Apparently, GC logs takes high CPU and eventually, tomcat server crashes due to high CPU utilization of GC logs. Remove them, your problem will be solved. What I believe is, enabling GC logs are not suggestible for long run. They are for observation the system and for short duration only. Balakrishna Rao | Senior Software Engineer | Persistent Systems balakrishna_...@persistent.co.in | Cell: +91 9704373579 | Tel: +91 (40) 30875030 Innovation in software product design, development and delivery- www.persistentsys.com -Original Message- From: Gerardo Corro [mailto:rob_gar_...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 7:00 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hi, Thanks for your email Do you have enough RAM + swap space to support that large a heap, along with the other memory requirements of the Tomcat process and all other processes on the system? If not, you may well be getting hit by the Linux OOM-killer, which leaves few traces. Yes we do, we have 6GB total memory However Tomcat fails quite often, no trace information can be found in logs, neither my app logs nor tomcat logs. What about a core file, or a JVM crash file? No core files neither jvm crash files :( Best regards DISCLAIMER == This e-mail may contain privileged and confidential information which is the property of Persistent Systems Ltd. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, retain, copy, print, distribute or use this message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this message. Persistent Systems Ltd. does not accept any liability for virus infected mails. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Gerardo Corro [mailto:rob_gar_...@hotmail.com] Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Yes we do, we have 6GB total memory That might not be enough. Besides the Java heap, there's a ton of other stuff that has to fit in the process space and overall RAM. Try shrinking your heap to 4 GB and see if it avoids the shutdown. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: B. Balakrishna Rao [mailto:balakrishna_...@persistent.co.in] Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Apparently, GC logs takes high CPU and eventually, tomcat server crashes due to high CPU utilization of GC logs. Your analysis is seriously flawed. High CPU utilization will not cause a crash. (It can cause other problems, but not that.) - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
What would be the minimum memory needed by OS in order to have jvm/tomcat running properly? Our system will grow five times more and we were thinking to get a total of 20GB ram memory, we were planning to assign 18GB to jvm/tomcat and leave 2Gb to the OS. Is there a kind of rule for jvm-tomcat/os memory proportions needed? Thanks From: chuck.caldar...@unisys.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:13:53 -0500 Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down From: Gerardo Corro [mailto:rob_gar_...@hotmail.com] Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Yes we do, we have 6GB total memory That might not be enough. Besides the Java heap, there's a ton of other stuff that has to fit in the process space and overall RAM. Try shrinking your heap to 4 GB and see if it avoids the shutdown. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Gerardo Corro [mailto:rob_gar_...@hotmail.com] Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down What would be the minimum memory needed by OS in order to have jvm/tomcat running properly? There's no general answer to that. It depends entirely on what you're running in your environment. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerardo, On 8/9/2010 10:26 AM, Gerardo Corro wrote: What would be the minimum memory needed by OS in order to have jvm/tomcat running properly? I have had Tomcat 5.5.x running with my own webapp in as little as 32MiB of allocated (-Xmx) heap on a 32-bit JVM. YMMV, especially when running under 64-bit, which will inflate your memory footprint a bit. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxgHL4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PBNqACeNWbGDrxcYLsVwVT10fcXxhHQ Ck4An1aUkZVsMq30eqKjCP2aTw+dfJ1D =40TO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Gerardo Corro wrote: What would be the minimum memory needed by OS in order to have jvm/tomcat running properly? Our system will grow five times more and we were thinking to get a total of 20GB ram memory, we were planning to assign 18GB to jvm/tomcat and leave 2Gb to the OS. Is there a kind of rule for jvm-tomcat/os memory proportions needed? There is no rule, but there was an earlier thread on this list with the message I quote below, which provides an idea of how many distinct instances of Tomcat one /can/ run in one machine with 32 GB of RAM. Divide by 164 to figure out how much memory one Tomcat /might/ need. You may want to read the whole thread in the list archives there is probably some information for you there. Apart from that, I run a number of Linux servers with Tomcat (mostly 5.5 right now) and the following top display if fairly typical. top - 00:11:51 up 223 days, 13:58, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 Tasks: 133 total, 1 running, 132 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 0.2%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.5%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 2054392k total, 1986820k used,67572k free, 114660k buffers Swap: 1951888k total,58548k used, 1893340k free, 1027228k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 3030 tomcat55 20 0 420m 162m 9168 S0 8.1 73:22.22 java The (32-bit) JVM of this particular Tomcat is configured with options -Xms128M -Xmx128M in other words with a fixed size Heap of 128 MB. This is on a not-so-fast machine with 2 GB RAM in total, which runs plenty of other things. I must say that your 3000 MB of Heap kind of makes my head spin. What kind of application are you running that you would think you need as much ? Original Message Subject: RE: Tomcat Shutting Down by Itself? Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:35:03 -0700 From: Robinson, Eric eric.robin...@psmnv.com Reply-To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org What kind of machine are you running these 163/164 instances of Tomcat on, and when you are running them, what /does/ free say ? I have two different servers with 164 instances of tomcat. Both servers have 2x quad-core 2.8Ghz Xeon processors with 32GB RAM. On the first server (app03), most instances of tomcat are configured with 64MB of Java heap. About 20% of them have 96-256MB. I almost never reboot this server (current uptime 61 days). Here's 'free' from app03. [r...@app03 ~]# free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 33265832 305702602695572 0 296976 4562784 -/+ buffers/cache: 257105007555332 Swap: 2031608 02031608 On the other server (app04), all instances of tomcat are configured with 512MB Java heap (-ms512M -mx512M). After 4 or 5 days of uptime, the server starts to swap a little. Then I reboot it and it is fine for several more days. As you can see from the following, it is about time for a reboot. If I do not reboot it tonight, by tomorrow or the next day it may be up to 1-2GB of swap. (It actually doesn't slow the server down much though. sar shows that it runs about 90% idle anyway, including iowait. [r...@app03 ~]# ssh app04 free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 33265832 32965812 300020 0 191248 3842092 -/+ buffers/cache: 28932472460 Swap: 2031608 42882027320 -- Eric Robinson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Adlane ACHAB wrote: hi, below is my tomcat config Tomcat VersionJVM VersionJVM VendorOS NameOS VersionOS ArchitectureApache Tomcat/6.0.181.6.0-b105Sun Microsystems Inc.Linux2.6.23.12i386 Essentially what happens is this: The server is running along fine, and then all of a sudden, for no apparent reason that we can find, the server shuts down. The timing does not seem to coincide with any stack trace. Just Tomcat service terminated unexpectedly. I did see something like this, quite some time ago. Details differ a lot; the env was Tomcat 4.something, running on Solaris. However the symptoms did match: the Tomcat process just disappeared. What did help in our case was to wrap the startup in another layer of scripts which did redirect all the standard file descriptors to/from specified files (or /dev/null in case of standard input), and additionally start tomcat under nohup (protected from session hangup signal). What we suppose did happen: - admin started the tomcat (on a shell session) - the shell session was forgotten open, and the corresponding TCP connection later timed out at firewall - at some point some piece of code attempted to write to System.out or System.err, or read from System.in - this activity caused the machine TCP layer to notice that the TCP connection was not valid any longer, and so the shell from which Tomcat was started (and the Tomcat process, too) did get a hangup signal, causing both the shell and Tomcat to just stop and exit We could never positively prove the above, but that would suit the symptoms, and also the above would be something for which our cure would be effective. -- ..Juha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Adlane ACHAB wrote: hi, below is my tomcat config Tomcat VersionJVM VersionJVM VendorOS NameOS VersionOS ArchitectureApache Tomcat/6.0.181.6.0-b105Sun Microsystems Inc.Linux2.6.23.12i386 Essentially what happens is this: The server is running along fine, and then all of a sudden, for no apparent reason that we can find, the server shuts down. The timing does not seem to coincide with any stack trace. Just Tomcat service terminated unexpectedly. please help Linux OOM killer? Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
no, idon't find any exception on logs 2009/2/12 Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org Adlane ACHAB wrote: hi, below is my tomcat config Tomcat VersionJVM VersionJVM VendorOS NameOS VersionOS ArchitectureApache Tomcat/6.0.181.6.0-b105Sun Microsystems Inc.Linux2.6.23.12i386 Essentially what happens is this: The server is running along fine, and then all of a sudden, for no apparent reason that we can find, the server shuts down. The timing does not seem to coincide with any stack trace. Just Tomcat service terminated unexpectedly. please help Linux OOM killer? Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = Adlane ACHAB Tél : 06 13 46 66 21 adlane.ac...@gmail.com
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Adlane ACHAB [mailto:adlane.ac...@gmail.com] Tomcat VersionJVM VersionJVM VendorOS NameOS VersionOS ArchitectureApache Tomcat/6.0.181.6.0-b105Sun Microsystems Inc.Linux2.6.23.12i386 Essentially what happens is this: The server is running along fine, and then all of a sudden, for no apparent reason that we can find, the server shuts down. The timing does not seem to coincide with any stack trace. Just Tomcat service terminated unexpectedly. http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer ? The JVM is often the largest user of memory on the system, and hence the first victim when the killer has to run. Note the line in there Finally the accumulated score is bitshifted by the user-settable value of /proc/pid/oomadj - if it *is* the OOM killer, you can at least cause it not to kill Tomcat but to choose some other victim :-). - Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Mark Thomas [mailto:ma...@apache.org] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down The server is running along fine, and then all of a sudden, for no apparent reason that we can find, the server shuts down. Linux OOM killer? Or perhaps code in one of your webapps calling System.exit()? - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Adlane ACHAB [mailto:adlane.ac...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down no, idon't find any exception on logs There won't be any messages in the Tomcat logs, since the kernel just terminates the entire selected process without warning when the OOM killer fires up. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
no, i grep System.exit and no result found 2009/2/12 Caldarale, Charles R chuck.caldar...@unisys.com From: Mark Thomas [mailto:ma...@apache.org] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down The server is running along fine, and then all of a sudden, for no apparent reason that we can find, the server shuts down. Linux OOM killer? Or perhaps code in one of your webapps calling System.exit()? - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = Adlane ACHAB Tél : 06 13 46 66 21 adlane.ac...@gmail.com
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
What's Linux /var/log/syslog saying? Anything in there? @Chuck: never heard about the OOM-killer. But what I almost can't believe is that if such a thing exists, that it doesn't carve it's footprints into syslog... Puzzled... Gregor -- just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you... gpgp-fp: 79A84FA526807026795E4209D3B3FE028B3170B2 gpgp-key available @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de:11371 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Gregor Schneider [mailto:rc4...@googlemail.com] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down @Chuck: never heard about the OOM-killer. GIYF. A nasty beast, at best. But what I almost can't believe is that if such a thing exists, that it doesn't carve it's footprints into syslog... Likely, but since the OP used the term exception, I expect he was referring to the Tomcat, not system, logs. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
I don't think that's a memory problem [image: daily graph] 2009/2/12 Caldarale, Charles R chuck.caldar...@unisys.com From: Adlane ACHAB [mailto:adlane.ac...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down no, idon't find any exception on logs There won't be any messages in the Tomcat logs, since the kernel just terminates the entire selected process without warning when the OOM killer fires up. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = Adlane ACHAB Tél : 06 13 46 66 21 adlane.ac...@gmail.com
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Adlane ACHAB [mailto:adlane.ac...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down no, i grep System.exit and no result found And did you look inside all jars that your webapps might be using as libraries? You can disable System.exit() with a SecurityManager, if desired. Do the Tomcat logs show a normal shutdown sequence, or do they just abruptly stop? - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
no, nothing about shutdown in tomcat logs, it just abruptly stop I will check for jar files 2009/2/12 Caldarale, Charles R chuck.caldar...@unisys.com From: Adlane ACHAB [mailto:adlane.ac...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down no, i grep System.exit and no result found And did you look inside all jars that your webapps might be using as libraries? You can disable System.exit() with a SecurityManager, if desired. Do the Tomcat logs show a normal shutdown sequence, or do they just abruptly stop? - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = Adlane ACHAB Tél : 06 13 46 66 21 adlane.ac...@gmail.com
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Adlane ACHAB [mailto:adlane.ac...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down no, nothing about shutdown in tomcat logs, it just abruptly stop Then it is almost definitely the Linux OOM killer. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
but I think that we have enough memory,so the Linux OOM killer will not act. will do? 2009/2/12 Caldarale, Charles R chuck.caldar...@unisys.com From: Adlane ACHAB [mailto:adlane.ac...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down no, nothing about shutdown in tomcat logs, it just abruptly stop Then it is almost definitely the Linux OOM killer. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = Adlane ACHAB Tél : 06 13 46 66 21 adlane.ac...@gmail.com
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Again: Anything in /var/log/syslog? If OOMKiller was invoked, there should be somehhing like Dec 16 10:31:17 velo kernel: [611084.971774] kded invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0 Rgds Gregor -- just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you... gpgp-fp: 79A84FA526807026795E4209D3B3FE028B3170B2 gpgp-key available @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de:11371 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Gregor Schneider wrote: @Chuck: never heard about the OOM-killer. The Tomcat security team have been trying to find this guy for several years now, but they're being very discreet about it. One of the difficulties is that he cleans up after himself by wiping out any memory of its intervention. You have probably heard many times about him in the past, you just have forgotten. That's a sure sign. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
no, I check the var/log/syslog, no trace of oom killer 2009/2/12 Gregor Schneider rc4...@googlemail.com Again: Anything in /var/log/syslog? If OOMKiller was invoked, there should be somehhing like Dec 16 10:31:17 velo kernel: [611084.971774] kded invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0 Rgds Gregor -- just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you... gpgp-fp: 79A84FA526807026795E4209D3B3FE028B3170B2 gpgp-key available @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de:11371 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = Adlane ACHAB Tél : 06 13 46 66 21 adlane.ac...@gmail.com
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
What about attaching strace to the tomcat process? Try executing strace ./bin/catalina.sh run On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 18:01 +0100, Adlane ACHAB wrote: no, I check the var/log/syslog, no trace of oom killer 2009/2/12 Gregor Schneider rc4...@googlemail.com Again: Anything in /var/log/syslog? If OOMKiller was invoked, there should be somehhing like Dec 16 10:31:17 velo kernel: [611084.971774] kded invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0 Rgds Gregor -- just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you... gpgp-fp: 79A84FA526807026795E4209D3B3FE028B3170B2 gpgp-key available @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de:11371 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- Pieter Temmerman email: ptemmerman@sadiel.es skype: ptemmerman.sadiel SADIEL TECNOLOGÍAS DE LA INFORMACIÓN, S.A. http://www.sadiel.es. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
I think that will produce a hugh log file,The problem is that, tomcat didn't shutdown directly after start, it can run for one or two days and stop unexpectedly 2009/2/12 Pieter Temmerman ptemmerman@sadiel.es What about attaching strace to the tomcat process? Try executing strace ./bin/catalina.sh run On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 18:01 +0100, Adlane ACHAB wrote: no, I check the var/log/syslog, no trace of oom killer 2009/2/12 Gregor Schneider rc4...@googlemail.com Again: Anything in /var/log/syslog? If OOMKiller was invoked, there should be somehhing like Dec 16 10:31:17 velo kernel: [611084.971774] kded invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0 Rgds Gregor -- just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you... gpgp-fp: 79A84FA526807026795E4209D3B3FE028B3170B2 gpgp-key available @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de:11371 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- Pieter Temmerman email: ptemmerman@sadiel.es skype: ptemmerman.sadiel SADIEL TECNOLOGÍAS DE LA INFORMACIÓN, S.A. http://www.sadiel.es. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = Adlane ACHAB Tél : 06 13 46 66 21 adlane.ac...@gmail.com
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck, On 2/12/2009 10:30 AM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: Gregor Schneider [mailto:rc4...@googlemail.com] Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down @Chuck: never heard about the OOM-killer. GIYF. A nasty beast, at best. Even better, MIYF (man is your friend). The man page for malloc on Linux talks about the OOM killer, and even tells you how to disable it. (!) But what I almost can't believe is that if such a thing exists, that it doesn't carve it's footprints into syslog... Likely, but since the OP used the term exception, I expect he was referring to the Tomcat, not system, logs. Syslog should contain something like: Out of Memory: Killed process [PID] [process name] if the kernel murdered your process to reclaim memory. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmU5sAACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAKzwCfQ/k4xY3pznuFhKo/Xu5YA1+Q O2gAoLQMoSt4seY+yzfesRUNqpZVFAXy =M5+d -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adlane, On 2/12/2009 12:38 PM, Adlane ACHAB wrote: I think that will produce a hugh log file,The problem is that, tomcat didn't shutdown directly after start, it can run for one or two days and stop unexpectedly ... then look at the *end* of the file when it *does* go down. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmU55gACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PBFNACgrfx7eDBAy3R/AWK/MEo2p2gd r38Anj5MSCKXsBzsXeK8SC0C4NPvFQRr =Nn8z -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Ok, then it's not an option. I thought it shut down just after a short while. I'm out of ideas... On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 18:38 +0100, Adlane ACHAB wrote: I think that will produce a hugh log file,The problem is that, tomcat didn't shutdown directly after start, it can run for one or two days and stop unexpectedly 2009/2/12 Pieter Temmerman ptemmerman@sadiel.es What about attaching strace to the tomcat process? Try executing strace ./bin/catalina.sh run On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 18:01 +0100, Adlane ACHAB wrote: no, I check the var/log/syslog, no trace of oom killer 2009/2/12 Gregor Schneider rc4...@googlemail.com Again: Anything in /var/log/syslog? If OOMKiller was invoked, there should be somehhing like Dec 16 10:31:17 velo kernel: [611084.971774] kded invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0 Rgds Gregor -- just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you... gpgp-fp: 79A84FA526807026795E4209D3B3FE028B3170B2 gpgp-key available @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de:11371 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- Pieter Temmerman email: ptemmerman@sadiel.es skype: ptemmerman.sadiel SADIEL TECNOLOGÍAS DE LA INFORMACIÓN, S.A. http://www.sadiel.es. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- Pieter Temmerman email: ptemmerman@sadiel.es skype: ptemmerman.sadiel SADIEL TECNOLOGÍAS DE LA INFORMACIÓN, S.A. http://www.sadiel.es. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
| From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, 11 January, 2007 16:49 | | In catalina.out I see the Anthill application going through a shutdown | sequence right before the time Tomcat dies. So my assumption, maybe | invalid, is that it's shutting down because Tomcat instructed it to do | so. Anyhill doesn't call System.exit(), does it? If so, that'll take Tomcat down. - The information contained in this message is confidential proprietary property of Nelnet, Inc. and its affiliated companies (Nelnet) and is intended for the recipient only. Any reproduction, forwarding, or copying without the express permission of Nelnet is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
From: Nelson, Tracy M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Anyhill doesn't call System.exit(), does it? If so, that'll take Tomcat down. Ant itself calls System.exit() when errors are detected, so unless it's running in a separate process, that might be the cause. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
I guess I could split them into multiple tomcats... I'm not averse to trying things, but what indication do we have that running multiple .war files in Tomcat is the problem? -Original Message- From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:30 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down On 1/12/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthill is a third party app intended to store and execute Ant scripts. I mention it only because it's fairly well-known and maybe someone has seen similar problems before. Either way, the only thing running in this tomcat instance is 3 copies of Anthill. So can you split the three copies to three tomcats? * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA624 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve, Steve Ingraham wrote: I have a similar problem. I would be interested to know what is said about this. In our case we have a web based application that calls up a MySQL database. It is running in Tomcat 5.5.15 on a Red Hat AS 3 machine. Every morning I have to manually stop and restart Tomcat. If I do not do so and let it run, over the course of a day or two, definitely no more than the third day, Tomcat will lock up and the web application will display access errors to the users. This sounds more like a JDBC connection leak to me. What error message to your users get when Tomcat stops responding? Are you able to use shutdown.sh to stop Tomcat, or is a kill -9 necessary? - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFp6u39CaO5/Lv0PARAqTZAJ9M0J4V8OD65ia/QT/F5+2VQOFOJwCgsRl+ nueJl9sllUsaLBNvbSUlRPQ= =UVQq -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
On 1/12/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I could split them into multiple tomcats... I'm not averse to trying things, but what indication do we have that running multiple .war files in Tomcat is the problem? No, but maybe they aren't all that similar, so we can narrow the problem down to one webapp or its specific config. L. -Original Message- From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:30 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down On 1/12/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthill is a third party app intended to store and execute Ant scripts. I mention it only because it's fairly well-known and maybe someone has seen similar problems before. Either way, the only thing running in this tomcat instance is 3 copies of Anthill. So can you split the three copies to three tomcats? * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA624 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
I can use shutdown.sh but the instance stays open. I then have to run the kill -9 command on the instance to clear it out. Since it has been a while since I have seen the error I cannot quote the exact error message. It states something about not enough components. . .. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve, Steve Ingraham wrote: I have a similar problem. I would be interested to know what is said about this. In our case we have a web based application that calls up a MySQL database. It is running in Tomcat 5.5.15 on a Red Hat AS 3 machine. Every morning I have to manually stop and restart Tomcat. If I do not do so and let it run, over the course of a day or two, definitely no more than the third day, Tomcat will lock up and the web application will display access errors to the users. This sounds more like a JDBC connection leak to me. What error message to your users get when Tomcat stops responding? Are you able to use shutdown.sh to stop Tomcat, or is a kill -9 necessary? - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFp6u39CaO5/Lv0PARAqTZAJ9M0J4V8OD65ia/QT/F5+2VQOFOJwCgsRl+ nueJl9sllUsaLBNvbSUlRPQ= =UVQq -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
I have a similar problem. I would be interested to know what is said about this. In our case we have a web based application that calls up a MySQL database. It is running in Tomcat 5.5.15 on a Red Hat AS 3 machine. Every morning I have to manually stop and restart Tomcat. If I do not do so and let it run, over the course of a day or two, definitely no more than the third day, Tomcat will lock up and the web application will display access errors to the users. I then have to run the shutdown.sh script on Tomcat. Then because the instance will not clear out I have to run ps aux, find the instance of java that is running. I then have to run the kill -9 pid # command and then startup.sh to restart Tomcat. If I do this first thing in the morning Tomcat will function without locking up. If I do not do it first thing in the morning, sometime during that day, or if I am lucky the next day, Tomcat will lockup. If anyone has ideas on what can be done to correct this problem I will be anxious to read any replies. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
sounds like you've got some thread hanging in there somewhere, but the logs don't indicate which one might be hanging? Also sounds like a memory issue; is it possible someone created some kind of servlet or app that manually controls Java's garbage collection? -Original Message- From: Steve Ingraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:24 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I have a similar problem. I would be interested to know what is said about this. In our case we have a web based application that calls up a MySQL database. It is running in Tomcat 5.5.15 on a Red Hat AS 3 machine. Every morning I have to manually stop and restart Tomcat. If I do not do so and let it run, over the course of a day or two, definitely no more than the third day, Tomcat will lock up and the web application will display access errors to the users. I then have to run the shutdown.sh script on Tomcat. Then because the instance will not clear out I have to run ps aux, find the instance of java that is running. I then have to run the kill -9 pid # command and then startup.sh to restart Tomcat. If I do this first thing in the morning Tomcat will function without locking up. If I do not do it first thing in the morning, sometime during that day, or if I am lucky the next day, Tomcat will lockup. If anyone has ideas on what can be done to correct this problem I will be anxious to read any replies. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Have you tried profiling the jvm memory usage? I have had problems (created my myself) with Tomcat locking up due to outofMemory errors - if it reaches this stage it won't be able to shutdown gracefully -Original Message- From: Steve Ingraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2007 22:24 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I have a similar problem. I would be interested to know what is said about this. In our case we have a web based application that calls up a MySQL database. It is running in Tomcat 5.5.15 on a Red Hat AS 3 machine. Every morning I have to manually stop and restart Tomcat. If I do not do so and let it run, over the course of a day or two, definitely no more than the third day, Tomcat will lock up and the web application will display access errors to the users. I then have to run the shutdown.sh script on Tomcat. Then because the instance will not clear out I have to run ps aux, find the instance of java that is running. I then have to run the kill -9 pid # command and then startup.sh to restart Tomcat. If I do this first thing in the morning Tomcat will function without locking up. If I do not do it first thing in the morning, sometime during that day, or if I am lucky the next day, Tomcat will lockup. If anyone has ideas on what can be done to correct this problem I will be anxious to read any replies. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
You've mentioned a graceful shutdown. However a crash doesn't necessary leave tracks in the logs. Do I understand you right, that the tomcat is down, out of nowhere, if it were just shut down by the shutdown.sh? regards Leon On 1/11/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This box has no other purpose than to run Anthill in Tomcat to build java apps. There would be no other major processes. -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA624 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
In catalina.out I see the Anthill application going through a shutdown sequence right before the time Tomcat dies. So my assumption, maybe invalid, is that it's shutting down because Tomcat instructed it to do so. Here's a log fragment with the final interesting lines of shutdown, and then the first line of the later startup. 00:26:30:456 [http-9090-Processor25] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.Anthill - Starting Anthill daemons 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.BuildDaemon - BuildDaemon shutting down 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.util.Queue - Queue shutting down 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.Anthill - Anthill.doShutdown() called Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Jan 11, 2007 11:06:13 AM org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol init INFO: Initializing Coyote HTTP/1.1 on http-9090 -Original Message- From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:42 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down You've mentioned a graceful shutdown. However a crash doesn't necessary leave tracks in the logs. Do I understand you right, that the tomcat is down, out of nowhere, if it were just shut down by the shutdown.sh? regards Leon On 1/11/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This box has no other purpose than to run Anthill in Tomcat to build java apps. There would be no other major processes. -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA624 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The information transmitted is intended only
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
On 1/11/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In catalina.out I see the Anthill application going through a shutdown sequence right before the time Tomcat dies. So my assumption, maybe invalid, is that it's shutting down because Tomcat instructed it to do so. Interesting. Most interesting part of it is what Thread-32 is. Are your thread named? Could it be that you are initiating the shutdown indirectly by somehow trying to initialize already initialized framework or something? You said you had three webapps. Have you actually tried to split they onto three different tomcat installations, to see if they all have the same problem or only one of them? I'm ashamed, but I don't know what Anthill is, so I maybe missing some internals or ask dumb questions, in this case i apologize. regards Leon P.S. Do you have a contextlistener? If not you could configure one and check whether the context is being deinitialized before or after anthill shuts down. Here's a log fragment with the final interesting lines of shutdown, and then the first line of the later startup. 00:26:30:456 [http-9090-Processor25] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.Anthill - Starting Anthill daemons 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.BuildDaemon - BuildDaemon shutting down 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.util.Queue - Queue shutting down 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.Anthill - Anthill.doShutdown() called Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Jan 11, 2007 11:06:13 AM org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol init INFO: Initializing Coyote HTTP/1.1 on http-9090 -Original Message- From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:42 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down You've mentioned a graceful shutdown. However a crash doesn't necessary leave tracks in the logs. Do I understand you right, that the tomcat is down, out of nowhere, if it were just shut down by the shutdown.sh? regards Leon On 1/11/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This box has no other purpose than to run Anthill in Tomcat to build java apps. There would be no other major processes. -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
isn't Anthill just a third party app to do war and ant builds? Deploy .ear and .war files? -Original Message- From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:00 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down On 1/11/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In catalina.out I see the Anthill application going through a shutdown sequence right before the time Tomcat dies. So my assumption, maybe invalid, is that it's shutting down because Tomcat instructed it to do so. Interesting. Most interesting part of it is what Thread-32 is. Are your thread named? Could it be that you are initiating the shutdown indirectly by somehow trying to initialize already initialized framework or something? You said you had three webapps. Have you actually tried to split they onto three different tomcat installations, to see if they all have the same problem or only one of them? I'm ashamed, but I don't know what Anthill is, so I maybe missing some internals or ask dumb questions, in this case i apologize. regards Leon P.S. Do you have a contextlistener? If not you could configure one and check whether the context is being deinitialized before or after anthill shuts down. Here's a log fragment with the final interesting lines of shutdown, and then the first line of the later startup. 00:26:30:456 [http-9090-Processor25] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.Anthill - Starting Anthill daemons 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.BuildDaemon - BuildDaemon shutting down 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.util.Queue - Queue shutting down 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.Anthill - Anthill.doShutdown() called Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Jan 11, 2007 11:06:13 AM org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol init INFO: Initializing Coyote HTTP/1.1 on http-9090 -Original Message- From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:42 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down You've mentioned a graceful shutdown. However a crash doesn't necessary leave tracks in the logs. Do I understand you right, that the tomcat is down, out of nowhere, if it were just shut down by the shutdown.sh? regards Leon On 1/11/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This box has no other purpose than to run Anthill in Tomcat to build java apps. There would be no other major processes. -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e
RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Anthill is a third party app intended to store and execute Ant scripts. I mention it only because it's fairly well-known and maybe someone has seen similar problems before. Either way, the only thing running in this tomcat instance is 3 copies of Anthill. -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:26 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down isn't Anthill just a third party app to do war and ant builds? Deploy .ear and .war files? -Original Message- From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:00 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down On 1/11/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In catalina.out I see the Anthill application going through a shutdown sequence right before the time Tomcat dies. So my assumption, maybe invalid, is that it's shutting down because Tomcat instructed it to do so. Interesting. Most interesting part of it is what Thread-32 is. Are your thread named? Could it be that you are initiating the shutdown indirectly by somehow trying to initialize already initialized framework or something? You said you had three webapps. Have you actually tried to split they onto three different tomcat installations, to see if they all have the same problem or only one of them? I'm ashamed, but I don't know what Anthill is, so I maybe missing some internals or ask dumb questions, in this case i apologize. regards Leon P.S. Do you have a contextlistener? If not you could configure one and check whether the context is being deinitialized before or after anthill shuts down. Here's a log fragment with the final interesting lines of shutdown, and then the first line of the later startup. 00:26:30:456 [http-9090-Processor25] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.Anthill - Starting Anthill daemons 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.BuildDaemon - BuildDaemon shutting down 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.util.Queue - Queue shutting down 00:27:31:015 [Thread-32] INFO com.urbancode.anthill.Anthill - Anthill.doShutdown() called Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Anthill version: 1.8.0.264 loaded. log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (com.urbancode.anthill.web.admin.AnthillAdminServlet). log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly. Jan 11, 2007 11:06:13 AM org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol init INFO: Initializing Coyote HTTP/1.1 on http-9090 -Original Message- From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:42 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down You've mentioned a graceful shutdown. However a crash doesn't necessary leave tracks in the logs. Do I understand you right, that the tomcat is down, out of nowhere, if it were just shut down by the shutdown.sh? regards Leon On 1/11/07, Brown, Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This box has no other purpose than to run Anthill in Tomcat to build java apps. There would be no other major processes. -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may
Re: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down
Hi Steve, Is there anything that flood your server with requests or trigger an infinite loop within the application ? I have similar experiences in 2 scenarios 1. A tomcat died every morning, Then we foundout that its flooded by requests at a certain time and there is a flaw at our design that permits only 1 connection for the flooded application. 2. An application causing the tomcat server to hang, exhausting our cpu resources to 100%, trigerred by Stop command from manager. Even after shutting down the tomcat, the process is still running and we have to manually kill the java thread. Thenwe found out that our application got an infinite loop bug when we force it to close. On 1/12/07, Steve Ingraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a similar problem. I would be interested to know what is said about this. In our case we have a web based application that calls up a MySQL database. It is running in Tomcat 5.5.15 on a Red Hat AS 3 machine. Every morning I have to manually stop and restart Tomcat. If I do not do so and let it run, over the course of a day or two, definitely no more than the third day, Tomcat will lock up and the web application will display access errors to the users. I then have to run the shutdown.sh script on Tomcat. Then because the instance will not clear out I have to run ps aux, find the instance of java that is running. I then have to run the kill -9 pid # command and then startup.sh to restart Tomcat. If I do this first thing in the morning Tomcat will function without locking up. If I do not do it first thing in the morning, sometime during that day, or if I am lucky the next day, Tomcat will lockup. If anyone has ideas on what can be done to correct this problem I will be anxious to read any replies. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Propes, Barry L [GCG-NAOT] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:06 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down I'd find out what other major processes are running on those two UNIX boxes, as it sounds like something there's clashing terribly, and killing off the Tomcat process. -Original Message- From: Brown, Carlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:01 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat unexpectedly shuts down Hello, My Tomcat instance is unexpectedly shutting itself down every 8 to 72 hours. Can someone give me some advice on this? By all appearances this is a graceful shutdown. I do not see any interesting exceptions in the logs (I have looked in catalina.out and the various localhost* files). Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. This happens on Tomcat 4.1.31 and 5.028 on Redhat Linux and Solaris 10. JSP apps running on the server are about 3 different instances of Anthill 1.8.0.264. Thanks in advance, Carlton * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA623 - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -Andre- People see things the way they are and say why ? I see things that never were and say Why not ?
