[OT] Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On 24/09/2010 01:19, Brian wrote: Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? If you want a forum style interface, unsubscribe from the mailing list and use Nabble. My personal view is that e-mail offers many advantages, the most important of which is having a local off-line archive of the list traffic. I can read/reply/search without an internet connection. That would be impossible with a web only interface. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: [OT] Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote: On 24/09/2010 01:19, Brian wrote: Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? If you want a forum style interface, unsubscribe from the mailing list and use Nabble. My personal view is that e-mail offers many advantages, the most important of which is having a local off-line archive of the list traffic. I can read/reply/search without an internet connection. That would be impossible with a web only interface. Mark Google gears / HTML5 anyone. Naw seriously if you need to work without a connection that sucks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Why an email list, and not a forum?
At least someone thinks the same way I do! From: m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl [mailto:m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:48 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? I agree. A forum would be more practical. It is much easier reading all postings on a topic. I find myself clearing my tomcat users list inbox every morning, while on forums I visit I check out the new or updated topics. The forums these days let you subscribe to topics or complete forums and send you a notification when a new topic gets started or updated. regards, Milko Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com 24-09-2010 02:19 Please respond to Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org To users@tomcat.apache.org cc Subject Why an email list, and not a forum? Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? Please consider the environment before printing this email. De informatie verzonden met dit e-mailbericht is vertrouwelijk en uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u als niet-geadresseerde dit bericht ontvangt, wordt u verzocht direct de afzender hierover te informeren en het bericht te vernietigen. Gebruik van informatie door onbevoegden, openbaarmaking of vermenigvuldiging is verboden en kan leiden tot aansprakelijkheid. De afzender is niet aansprakelijk in geval van onjuiste overbrenging van het e-mailbericht en/of bij ontijdige ontvangst daarvan. The information transmitted is confidential and intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please inform us immediately and destroy this communication. Unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of information is strictly prohibited and may entail liability. The sender accepts no liability for improper transmission of this communication nor for any delay in its receipt.
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:48:09 +0200, m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl wrote: I agree. A forum would be more practical. It is much easier reading all postings on a topic. I find myself clearing my tomcat users list inbox every morning, while on forums I visit I check out the new or updated topics. The forums these days let you subscribe to topics or complete forums and send you a notification when a new topic gets started or updated. Use gmail to read list. You'll have a 'forum'. I do really hope we won't switch to web-based-something. -- Mikolaj Rydzewski - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Mikolaj Rydzewski m...@ceti.pl wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:48:09 +0200, m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl wrote: I agree. A forum would be more practical. It is much easier reading all postings on a topic. I find myself clearing my tomcat users list inbox every morning, while on forums I visit I check out the new or updated topics. The forums these days let you subscribe to topics or complete forums and send you a notification when a new topic gets started or updated. Use gmail to read list. You'll have a 'forum'. I do really hope we won't switch to web-based-something. -- Mikolaj Rydzewski - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org I noticed something. I've been subscribed to this ML for a long time, never participated much. I'm using gmail for the list and filter the messages into their own label and archive them. Recently I became involved in a discussion because it had a direct reflection on my experience in work. I ended up doing a simplistic patch which hasn't been accepted yet, however since that point I also had to join the dev mailing list. Since I had to check both ML's I've been doing it regularly, though it may just be a fad with me. The point is once your involved in something, doing more than just looking for answers a Mailing list is much better, it involves you much more directly. I don't have to check 10 sites for my 10 subscribed mailing lists. The emails are just there all filtered into their own labels (folders). So its probably better for a open source project to use a mailing list. The dev list has other special functions you just wouldn't see working with a forum, such as having the commit logs mailed, and the bugs mailed. This doesn't work well with forums as you'd either have one massive topic or spam with several little topics. Having said all that though I woudn't attempt to read these lists with outlook/outlook express or thunderbird. That just wouldn't work for me. So forums better for finding answers. Mailing lists better for participating. Wes - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl : I agree. A forum would be more practical. Please argue. I dont find how a PHPBB-like will be more practical. But you will probably tech me :-) -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 34 56 000 19 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On 9/24/2010 4:06 AM, Wesley Acheson wrote: ... The point is once your involved in something, doing more than just looking for answers a Mailing list is much better, it involves you much more directly. I don't have to check 10 sites for my 10 subscribed mailing lists. The emails are just there all filtered into their own labels (folders). So its probably better for a open source project to use a mailing list. +1. I actually prefer NNTP groups, but mailing lists are a close second. As soon as you need to follow more than one group, e-mail is much more efficient than a web-based forum. The dev list has other special functions you just wouldn't see working with a forum, such as having the commit logs mailed, and the bugs mailed. This doesn't work well with forums as you'd either have one massive topic or spam with several little topics. Having said all that though I woudn't attempt to read these lists with outlook/outlook express or thunderbird. That just wouldn't work for me. T-bird works fine once you set filters to organize the e-mails. D - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
But I'm too lazy to go fishing for questions I could answer ... I like them showing up in my inbox. If there in a web forum I'm not going to go looking for them. When I'm looking for an answer to one of my questions, google is my first stop and the tomcat list is archived online. --David On 9/24/2010 3:01 AM, Brian wrote: At least someone thinks the same way I do! From: m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl [mailto:m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:48 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? I agree. A forum would be more practical. It is much easier reading all postings on a topic. I find myself clearing my tomcat users list inbox every morning, while on forums I visit I check out the new or updated topics. The forums these days let you subscribe to topics or complete forums and send you a notification when a new topic gets started or updated. regards, Milko Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com 24-09-2010 02:19 Please respond to Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org To users@tomcat.apache.org cc Subject Why an email list, and not a forum? Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? Please consider the environment before printing this email. De informatie verzonden met dit e-mailbericht is vertrouwelijk en uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u als niet-geadresseerde dit bericht ontvangt, wordt u verzocht direct de afzender hierover te informeren en het bericht te vernietigen. Gebruik van informatie door onbevoegden, openbaarmaking of vermenigvuldiging is verboden en kan leiden tot aansprakelijkheid. De afzender is niet aansprakelijk in geval van onjuiste overbrenging van het e-mailbericht en/of bij ontijdige ontvangst daarvan. The information transmitted is confidential and intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please inform us immediately and destroy this communication. Unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of information is strictly prohibited and may entail liability. The sender accepts no liability for improper transmission of this communication nor for any delay in its receipt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
Sorry, but I don't get why people can't delete emails on topics they aren't interested in; do some people here feel the need to read all the spam they get? Michel - Original Message - From: David kerber dcker...@verizon.net To: users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On 9/24/2010 4:06 AM, Wesley Acheson wrote: ... The point is once your involved in something, doing more than just looking for answers a Mailing list is much better, it involves you much more directly. I don't have to check 10 sites for my 10 subscribed mailing lists. The emails are just there all filtered into their own labels (folders). So its probably better for a open source project to use a mailing list. +1. I actually prefer NNTP groups, but mailing lists are a close second. As soon as you need to follow more than one group, e-mail is much more efficient than a web-based forum. The dev list has other special functions you just wouldn't see working with a forum, such as having the commit logs mailed, and the bugs mailed. This doesn't work well with forums as you'd either have one massive topic or spam with several little topics. Having said all that though I woudn't attempt to read these lists with outlook/outlook express or thunderbird. That just wouldn't work for me. T-bird works fine once you set filters to organize the e-mails. D - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
Absolutely. I have no problem parsing and deleting. --David On 9/24/2010 8:18 AM, michel wrote: Sorry, but I don't get why people can't delete emails on topics they aren't interested in; do some people here feel the need to read all the spam they get? Michel - Original Message - From: David kerber dcker...@verizon.net To: users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On 9/24/2010 4:06 AM, Wesley Acheson wrote: ... The point is once your involved in something, doing more than just looking for answers a Mailing list is much better, it involves you much more directly. I don't have to check 10 sites for my 10 subscribed mailing lists. The emails are just there all filtered into their own labels (folders). So its probably better for a open source project to use a mailing list. +1. I actually prefer NNTP groups, but mailing lists are a close second. As soon as you need to follow more than one group, e-mail is much more efficient than a web-based forum. The dev list has other special functions you just wouldn't see working with a forum, such as having the commit logs mailed, and the bugs mailed. This doesn't work well with forums as you'd either have one massive topic or spam with several little topics. Having said all that though I woudn't attempt to read these lists with outlook/outlook express or thunderbird. That just wouldn't work for me. T-bird works fine once you set filters to organize the e-mails. D - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On 24/09/2010 01:19, Brian wrote: Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? One might as well ask why mailing lists exist at all in the shiny new world of Web 2.0. The ASF practice is to use mailing lists to keep a public record of support discussions and development decisions. There are some websites which provide web access to these lists, e.g. Markmail, Nabble. Being solely web-based would be limitation rather than an enhancement. p (IMO PHPBB is a horrible, horrible application.) 0x62590808.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: Why an email list, and not a forum?
-Original Message- From: Hassan Schroeder [mailto:hassan.schroe...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:40 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Vampires? Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org __ Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Why an email list, and not a forum?
-Original Message- From: Pid [mailto:p...@pidster.com] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:39 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On 24/09/2010 01:19, Brian wrote: Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? One might as well ask why mailing lists exist at all in the shiny new world of Web 2.0. The ASF practice is to use mailing lists to keep a public record of support discussions and development decisions. There are some websites which provide web access to these lists, e.g. Markmail, Nabble. Being solely web-based would be limitation rather than an enhancement. +1 p (IMO PHPBB is a horrible, horrible application.) Can't comment on that last bit. Personally, I like the mailing list format for this project. It's really helped expand my understanding of Tomcat by reading topics that normally I wouldn't have thought to go looking for. I've had my eyes opened on some issues that I normally would not have gone looking for on a web-based forum. In turn, I've then educated my development team on those issues and our product has improved because of it. For usage, I use *shudder* Outlook, have a rule which dumps all properly formatted list emails into a dedicated folder, which is sorted by conversation, newest on top. From that, I can delete whole threads based on subjects that I can tell have no relevance for me at this point. I also clear out topics as I read them if they've been resolved, or found I'm not interested. If they later interest me enough to contribute, I can go to MarkMail or Nabble and review the thread. Works great. I do subscribe to some web-based forums, notably Linux Questions and Installshield Community, but find I hardly ever use them, much less contribute. I comfortable enough with Linux that I don't have that many Qs, and don't use IS enough during a year to need a lot of help, much less consider myself knowledge-able enough to contribute answers. This format seems nearly perfect for me for this group. Jeff __ Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender or telephone (512) 343-9100 and delete this transmission from your system. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wesley, On 9/24/2010 4:06 AM, Wesley Acheson wrote: Having said all that though I woudn't attempt to read these lists with outlook/outlook express or thunderbird. That just wouldn't work for me. I use tb, and it works great for my needs. I can always see the threads I'm participating in, and the latest messages show up at the bottom of my folder (which is my preference... others prefer the top). So forums better for finding answers. Mailing lists better for participating. I find that the ML archives are great, particularly the ones maintained at markmail.org. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyc2EkACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PALAQCfb87uEKpB3V/GplKH1Eskd2JF zhQAoIbXKc3pLnm7svU6uqD2kLVNdnOr =40p2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Why an email list, and not a forum?
-Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:02 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Why an email list, and not a forum? At least someone thinks the same way I do! Given an infinitely large sample, any idea no matter how irrational is bound to find at least a few adherents. George Sexton MH Software, Inc. 303 438-9585 www.mhsoftware.com From: m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl [mailto:m.h.g.emme...@dnb.nl] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:48 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? I agree. A forum would be more practical. It is much easier reading all postings on a topic. I find myself clearing my tomcat users list inbox every morning, while on forums I visit I check out the new or updated topics. The forums these days let you subscribe to topics or complete forums and send you a notification when a new topic gets started or updated. regards, Milko Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com 24-09-2010 02:19 Please respond to Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org To users@tomcat.apache.org cc Subject Why an email list, and not a forum? Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? Please consider the environment before printing this email. De informatie verzonden met dit e-mailbericht is vertrouwelijk en uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u als niet- geadresseerde dit bericht ontvangt, wordt u verzocht direct de afzender hierover te informeren en het bericht te vernietigen. Gebruik van informatie door onbevoegden, openbaarmaking of vermenigvuldiging is verboden en kan leiden tot aansprakelijkheid. De afzender is niet aansprakelijk in geval van onjuiste overbrenging van het e-mailbericht en/of bij ontijdige ontvangst daarvan. The information transmitted is confidential and intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please inform us immediately and destroy this communication. Unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of information is strictly prohibited and may entail liability. The sender accepts no liability for improper transmission of this communication nor for any delay in its receipt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
web based means that people have to keep checking a website, instead of having the information sent to them as it happens ... like having pizza home delivered. Michel - Original Message - From: Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Why an email list, and not a forum? Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Why an email list, and not a forum?
But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 07:27 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? web based means that people have to keep checking a website, instead of having the information sent to them as it happens ... like having pizza home delivered. Michel - Original Message - From: Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Why an email list, and not a forum? Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
You can use something like gmane.org: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.tomcat.user On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Brian wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 07:27 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? web based means that people have to keep checking a website, instead of having the information sent to them as it happens ... like having pizza home delivered. Michel - Original Message - From: Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Why an email list, and not a forum? Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
I like that questions that I never though of asking can arrive in my email and I can see some great new-to-me topics and I try to answer when I can (not often, but I do try to help because I am so grateful when people help me out). - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Why an email list, and not a forum?
Yes, but I still think that forums are better, a more modern way to give and ask for support. If I have time to see other people's questions, I can go to the forum and read the postings (and answer them, if I can), it is very easy. And I also learn reading other people's questions. I enjoy that. But when I'm busy in other issues, I don't like when my emails gets full of entries. I just think web-based is better than email-based. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 07:54 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? I like that questions that I never though of asking can arrive in my email and I can see some great new-to-me topics and I try to answer when I can (not often, but I do try to help because I am so grateful when people help me out). - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
+1 On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:53 PM, michel wrote: I like that questions that I never though of asking can arrive in my email and I can see some great new-to-me topics and I try to answer when I can (not often, but I do try to help because I am so grateful when people help me out). - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
You haven't responded to Hassan's message: you're only thinking of yourself, and you're only planning on consuming, not giving. The volunteers who provide the support on this list certainly don't want to spend lots of extra (and wasted time) dealing with a web forum instead of receiving messages in email. On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Brian wrote: Yes, but I still think that forums are better, a more modern way to give and ask for support. If I have time to see other people's questions, I can go to the forum and read the postings (and answer them, if I can), it is very easy. And I also learn reading other people's questions. I enjoy that. But when I'm busy in other issues, I don't like when my emails gets full of entries. I just think web-based is better than email-based. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 07:54 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? I like that questions that I never though of asking can arrive in my email and I can see some great new-to-me topics and I try to answer when I can (not often, but I do try to help because I am so grateful when people help me out). - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
Maybe this is a time (good or bad) for me to chip in with my own complaint ... to many people are posting questions and make it obvious that they couldn't be bothered even doing some basic googling, reading and trying out stuff BEFORE asking questions. Michel - Original Message - From: Ken Bowen kbo...@als.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? You haven't responded to Hassan's message: you're only thinking of yourself, and you're only planning on consuming, not giving. The volunteers who provide the support on this list certainly don't want to spend lots of extra (and wasted time) dealing with a web forum instead of receiving messages in email. On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Brian wrote: Yes, but I still think that forums are better, a more modern way to give and ask for support. If I have time to see other people's questions, I can go to the forum and read the postings (and answer them, if I can), it is very easy. And I also learn reading other people's questions. I enjoy that. But when I'm busy in other issues, I don't like when my emails gets full of entries. I just think web-based is better than email-based. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 07:54 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? I like that questions that I never though of asking can arrive in my email and I can see some great new-to-me topics and I try to answer when I can (not often, but I do try to help because I am so grateful when people help me out). - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
Well, as first posted by Mark: http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:23 PM, michel wrote: Maybe this is a time (good or bad) for me to chip in with my own complaint ... to many people are posting questions and make it obvious that they couldn't be bothered even doing some basic googling, reading and trying out stuff BEFORE asking questions. Michel - Original Message - From: Ken Bowen kbo...@als.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? You haven't responded to Hassan's message: you're only thinking of yourself, and you're only planning on consuming, not giving. The volunteers who provide the support on this list certainly don't want to spend lots of extra (and wasted time) dealing with a web forum instead of receiving messages in email. On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Brian wrote: Yes, but I still think that forums are better, a more modern way to give and ask for support. If I have time to see other people's questions, I can go to the forum and read the postings (and answer them, if I can), it is very easy. And I also learn reading other people's questions. I enjoy that. But when I'm busy in other issues, I don't like when my emails gets full of entries. I just think web-based is better than email-based. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 07:54 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? I like that questions that I never though of asking can arrive in my email and I can see some great new-to-me topics and I try to answer when I can (not often, but I do try to help because I am so grateful when people help me out). - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
Ken, I'm to lazy to look it up, can you just summarize it for me? :) - Original Message - From: Ken Bowen kbo...@als.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? Well, as first posted by Mark: http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:23 PM, michel wrote: Maybe this is a time (good or bad) for me to chip in with my own complaint ... to many people are posting questions and make it obvious that they couldn't be bothered even doing some basic googling, reading and trying out stuff BEFORE asking questions. Michel - Original Message - From: Ken Bowen kbo...@als.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? You haven't responded to Hassan's message: you're only thinking of yourself, and you're only planning on consuming, not giving. The volunteers who provide the support on this list certainly don't want to spend lots of extra (and wasted time) dealing with a web forum instead of receiving messages in email. On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Brian wrote: Yes, but I still think that forums are better, a more modern way to give and ask for support. If I have time to see other people's questions, I can go to the forum and read the postings (and answer them, if I can), it is very easy. And I also learn reading other people's questions. I enjoy that. But when I'm busy in other issues, I don't like when my emails gets full of entries. I just think web-based is better than email-based. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 07:54 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? I like that questions that I never though of asking can arrive in my email and I can see some great new-to-me topics and I try to answer when I can (not often, but I do try to help because I am so grateful when people help me out). - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: But what if you just want to receive responses to your question, instead of receiving all the emails that is being writen? Or to put it another way -- what if you only want to be a taker, without any intention of participating in a community of users and giving back when you can? I'm sure there's a name for that. Mail lists are an old method. Web based forums are more efficient. And even forums (such are the ones powered by phpBB) are not the latest solution. What *is* the latest solution*, then, in your opinion? -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
:-) On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:39 PM, michel wrote: :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Why an email list, and not a forum?
From: Ken Bowen [mailto:kbo...@als.com] Subject: Re: Why an email list, and not a forum? The volunteers who provide the support on this list certainly don't want to spend lots of extra (and wasted time) dealing with a web forum instead of receiving messages in email. To use a less modern, and undoubtedly less efficient, means of expression than +1: Amen, brother. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
I agree. A forum would be more practical. It is much easier reading all postings on a topic. I find myself clearing my tomcat users list inbox every morning, while on forums I visit I check out the new or updated topics. The forums these days let you subscribe to topics or complete forums and send you a notification when a new topic gets started or updated. regards, Milko Brian bbprefix-m...@ya hoo.com To users@tomcat.apache.org 24-09-2010 02:19 cc Subject Please respond to Why an email list, and not a forum? Tomcat Users List us...@tomcat.apa che.org Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? Please consider the environment before printing this email. De informatie verzonden met dit e-mailbericht is vertrouwelijk en uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u als niet-geadresseerde dit bericht ontvangt, wordt u verzocht direct de afzender hierover te informeren en het bericht te vernietigen. Gebruik van informatie door onbevoegden, openbaarmaking of vermenigvuldiging is verboden en kan leiden tot aansprakelijkheid. De afzender is niet aansprakelijk in geval van onjuiste overbrenging van het e-mailbericht en/of bij ontijdige ontvangst daarvan. The information transmitted is confidential and intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please inform us immediately and destroy this communication. Unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of information is strictly prohibited and may entail liability. The sender accepts no liability for improper transmission of this communication nor for any delay in its receipt.
