Re: moving to linux

2006-09-15 Thread Wade Chandler
--- David Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I doubt that switching to
> Linux from
> Windows will solve your performance problem. Have
> you identified what
> your performance bottleneck is now?
> 
> -Dave

Yes I would have to second that.  I love Linux, but
not knowing where the real issue with your performance
is will just leave you unsatisfied if the issue is
with your application because no matter what you do
outside of the application performance won't be
boosted significantly.  I would profile my application
and see where in my code the application is spending
most of it's time.  If you can't figure out any
metrics that give you any clues try to break down your
dependencies and profile them independently and see
what you get there.  Maybe you have slow database
creation and are not using database pooling.  This can
slow down an application considerably, but don't count
out other factors.

Wade

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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-14 Thread David Rees

On 9/11/06, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 9/11/06, Asensio, Rodrigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CentOS & Debian  with tomcat, how many users are you handling ?
> Here with 350 logged users our Win2003-Serv is suffering a lot all the
> time.
> I really want to know the capacity of tomcat handling lot of sessions
> concurrently.

depends on your machine and most important application.
i think 1000 should be fine.


Performance depends on so many factors, it's impossible to tell what
the limiting factor is. You might be able to handle 10s of thousands
of users with a single Tomcat instance on a moderate machine, or you
may only be able to handle a couple dozen on the fastest server
available.

While I am a big Linux fan (Prefer RHEL/CentOS for servers that you
don't want to upgrade often and Fedora Core for machines you like to
have the latest software), I doubt that switching to Linux from
Windows will solve your performance problem. Have you identified what
your performance bottleneck is now?

-Dave

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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-14 Thread Wade Chandler
We used AIX on a project and really didn't like the
experience.  We had different issues.  Some of them
are nothing more than management is not as good and
even command line editing and running
commandsLinux is just more user friendly maybe is
the way I would put it.  I feel the same way
personally about all Unix vs. Linux however.  My
favorite Unix would be Solaris, but it still has a way
to go in the way of user friendliness especially for
administration...again my opinion but based on
experience.  

I think the Linux community does a good job at making
things (especially on the command line) easier.  That
is the way I see it.  Since you mentioned Fedora I
would recommend going to www.centos.org and
downloading the latest version there.  It is nothing
more than Enterprise Redhat rebranded.  This is
possible because RH provides the source code for the
packages and these guys rebrand and then compile the
same source code.  It runs well and is stable.  I also
recommend SuSE.  You can get SuSE at www.opensuse.org.
 Get the released version.  Works great.  

I used to try to use Fedora Core, but found I had
issues when it came to release to release updates. 
Some things would break every time it seemed.  I tried
installing on muliple hardware.  I had a system on FC2
and went to 3 and had some issues.  Then I went to FC4
and had major issues with the migration.  I went back
to SuSE and RH (CentOS) releases and haven't been
stressed about anything.  I would also suggest using
Ubuntu.  It is really nice and seems to work well and
be stable.  I play around with Ubuntu on my
workstations mainly because I have always used RH and
SuSE for servers, so I am more familiar with them in
regards to administration and layout.

Wade

--- "Asensio, Rodrigo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hello, since Tomcat on Windows Server 2003 is not
> satisfying the
> expected performance whe are thinking about to move
> to Linux. Fedora
> Core 5 more precicesly.
>  
> I would like to know what is the better combination,
> Tomcat as webserver
> or Apache with Tomcat as mod to execute java.
>  
> Also, there is the posibility of get a brand new
> AIX, anyone had that
> experience before ?
>  
> Thanks
> Rodrigo
>  
>  
>
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RE: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Tracy Nelson
I'd also recommend you take a look at Solaris.  It's free-as-in-beer
now, and has good performance.  You could also run it on your IBM
hardware if you wind up getting a new AIX box.

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| Subject: moving to linux
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| Hello, since Tomcat on Windows Server 2003 is not satisfying the
| expected performance whe are thinking about to move to Linux. Fedora
| Core 5 more precicesly.
| 
| I would like to know what is the better combination, Tomcat as
webserver
| or Apache with Tomcat as mod to execute java.
| 
| Also, there is the posibility of get a brand new AIX, anyone had that
| experience before ?
| 
| Thanks
| Rodrigo
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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Andrew Miehs

Hi Rodrigo,

How long is a piece of string?

The 'Brand' of linux only really makes a difference for  
administration purposes. Performance will be about the same on all,  
depending mainly on which version of the kernel you are running.


Should you decide to go Linux, I would look at something with a  
kernel > 2.6.12...


As for how many users - this really depends on how your app works,  
and what hardware you have running in the background. Are the tomcats  
even the problem? or is it the database in the backend?


You will find the new threading library in Linux 2.6 to be very  
beneficial for tomcat with lots of threads.



Andrew

On 11/09/2006, at 10:37 PM, Asensio, Rodrigo wrote:


CentOS & Debian  with tomcat, how many users are you handling ?
Here with 350 logged users our Win2003-Serv is suffering a lot all the
time.
I really want to know the capacity of tomcat handling lot of sessions
concurrently.

Thanks.
R

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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Bruno Georges
Asensio
I think that there are a lot of think to take into consideration before 
choosing your production platform.
For example, what type of document are you serving (ratio static/dynamic).
What is the usage pattern.
Available bandwith.
SLA.
Concurrent connections.
And so on..

If you want professional support from Tomcat and Linux, I suggest you also have 
a look at JBoss / RedHat offering. They will help you 
configuring/optimizing/tuning your environment.
We already use their support, which I highly recommend.

I hope this will help in yoiur decision.


Bruno Georges

Glencore International AG
Tel. +41 41 709 3204
Fax +41 41 709 3000


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From: "Asensio, Rodrigo" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: "Tomcat Users List" 
Subject: RE: moving to linux

I read that the only difference between fedora and RH enterprise is
support and serveral packages.
I'm not very familiar with linux, thatz why I decided use fedora right
now. Maybe debian is better, but these days I feel more comfortable with
Fed.

Thanks for the tip.

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From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:12 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: moving to linux

Hello,

if performance is your goal bringing an apache in front won't do you any
good.
Fedora is probably as good as anything else, although i think it's a
workstation distribution. For servers I prefer debian.

regards
Leon

On 9/11/06, Asensio, Rodrigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, since Tomcat on Windows Server 2003 is not satisfying the 
> expected performance whe are thinking about to move to Linux. Fedora 
> Core 5 more precicesly.
>
> I would like to know what is the better combination, Tomcat as 
> webserver or Apache with Tomcat as mod to execute java.
>
> Also, there is the posibility of get a brand new AIX, anyone had that 
> experience before ?
>
> Thanks
> Rodrigo
>
>
> ---
> Rodrigo Asensio
> Fuel Management Services
> Gilbarco Veeder Root
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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Leon Rosenberg

On 9/11/06, Asensio, Rodrigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

CentOS & Debian  with tomcat, how many users are you handling ?
Here with 350 logged users our Win2003-Serv is suffering a lot all the
time.
I really want to know the capacity of tomcat handling lot of sessions
concurrently.


depends on your machine and most important application.
i think 1000 should be fine.
Leon



Thanks.
R

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From: Leonel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:30 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: moving to linux

On 9/11/06, John Hinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > if performance is your goal bringing an apache in front won't do you

> > any good.
> > Fedora is probably as good as anything else, although i think it's a

> > workstation distribution. For servers I prefer debian.
> >
> > regards
> > Leon
> >
> Agreed...
>
> If you like cutting edge, go Fedora.. but know that you'll sometimes
> get cut. Debian is really good. Also, CentOS is excellent as a RHEL
clone.
> So, if you like Redhat and want server reliability, I would go with
> and have myself gone with CentOS.
>
> John
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RE: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: iñaki iñaki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: Re: moving to linux
> 
> We have two tomcats with frontend´s in apache on solaris and 
> at the moment is all right... Do you know more problems?

The original question was concerned with one instance of Tomcat, not load 
balancing two instances using httpd.  If you're using a separate httpd for each 
instance of Tomcat, you're wasting CPU cycles and operating an unnecessarily 
complex environment.  If you're not load balancing, life is simpler and faster 
with standalone Tomcat 5.5.x and its APR library.

 - Chuck


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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread David Salisbury


the added complexity is negligable _if_ you're already running Apache.
I disagree about any added path length.

Also, if the machine you're running on is going to have Oracle loaded on
it... it would be best to stay away from debian.. and stick with SuSe.

my 2 cents,

-ds



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From: iñaki iñaki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: moving to linux

Hi, why an apache in front  doesn´t good?


Because you'd be adding path length and complexity, which is hardly a way to 
improve performance.

- Chuck





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RE: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Asensio, Rodrigo
CentOS & Debian  with tomcat, how many users are you handling ?
Here with 350 logged users our Win2003-Serv is suffering a lot all the
time.
I really want to know the capacity of tomcat handling lot of sessions
concurrently.

Thanks.
R

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From: Leonel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:30 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: moving to linux

On 9/11/06, John Hinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > if performance is your goal bringing an apache in front won't do you

> > any good.
> > Fedora is probably as good as anything else, although i think it's a

> > workstation distribution. For servers I prefer debian.
> >
> > regards
> > Leon
> >
> Agreed...
>
> If you like cutting edge, go Fedora.. but know that you'll sometimes 
> get cut. Debian is really good. Also, CentOS is excellent as a RHEL
clone.
> So, if you like Redhat and want server reliability, I would go with 
> and have myself gone with CentOS.
>
> John
>
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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread iñaki iñaki

We have two tomcats with frontend´s in apache on solaris and at the moment
is all right... Do you know more problems?

Iñaki

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> From: iñaki iñaki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: moving to linux
>
> Hi, why an apache in front  doesn´t good?

Because you'd be adding path length and complexity, which is hardly a way
to improve performance.

- Chuck


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RE: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: iñaki iñaki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: Re: moving to linux
> 
> Hi, why an apache in front  doesn´t good?

Because you'd be adding path length and complexity, which is hardly a way to 
improve performance.

 - Chuck


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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Leonel

On 9/11/06, John Hinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> Hello,
>
> if performance is your goal bringing an apache in front won't do you
> any good.
> Fedora is probably as good as anything else, although i think it's a
> workstation distribution. For servers I prefer debian.
>
> regards
> Leon
>
Agreed...

If you like cutting edge, go Fedora.. but know that you'll sometimes get
cut. Debian is really good. Also, CentOS is excellent as a RHEL clone.
So, if you like Redhat and want server reliability, I would go with and
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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread iñaki iñaki

Hi, why an apache in front  doesn´t good?
Regards

On 9/11/06, Asensio, Rodrigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I read that the only difference between fedora and RH enterprise is
support and serveral packages.
I'm not very familiar with linux, thatz why I decided use fedora right
now. Maybe debian is better, but these days I feel more comfortable with
Fed.

Thanks for the tip.

-Original Message-
From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:12 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: moving to linux

Hello,

if performance is your goal bringing an apache in front won't do you any
good.
Fedora is probably as good as anything else, although i think it's a
workstation distribution. For servers I prefer debian.

regards
Leon

On 9/11/06, Asensio, Rodrigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, since Tomcat on Windows Server 2003 is not satisfying the
> expected performance whe are thinking about to move to Linux. Fedora
> Core 5 more precicesly.
>
> I would like to know what is the better combination, Tomcat as
> webserver or Apache with Tomcat as mod to execute java.
>
> Also, there is the posibility of get a brand new AIX, anyone had that
> experience before ?
>
> Thanks
> Rodrigo
>
>
> ---
> Rodrigo Asensio
> Fuel Management Services
> Gilbarco Veeder Root
> phone: +1 336 547 5023
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> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread John Hinton

Leon Rosenberg wrote:

Hello,

if performance is your goal bringing an apache in front won't do you 
any good.

Fedora is probably as good as anything else, although i think it's a
workstation distribution. For servers I prefer debian.

regards
Leon


Agreed...

If you like cutting edge, go Fedora.. but know that you'll sometimes get 
cut. Debian is really good. Also, CentOS is excellent as a RHEL clone. 
So, if you like Redhat and want server reliability, I would go with and 
have myself gone with CentOS.


John

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RE: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Asensio, Rodrigo
I read that the only difference between fedora and RH enterprise is
support and serveral packages.
I'm not very familiar with linux, thatz why I decided use fedora right
now. Maybe debian is better, but these days I feel more comfortable with
Fed.

Thanks for the tip.

-Original Message-
From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:12 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: moving to linux

Hello,

if performance is your goal bringing an apache in front won't do you any
good.
Fedora is probably as good as anything else, although i think it's a
workstation distribution. For servers I prefer debian.

regards
Leon

On 9/11/06, Asensio, Rodrigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, since Tomcat on Windows Server 2003 is not satisfying the 
> expected performance whe are thinking about to move to Linux. Fedora 
> Core 5 more precicesly.
>
> I would like to know what is the better combination, Tomcat as 
> webserver or Apache with Tomcat as mod to execute java.
>
> Also, there is the posibility of get a brand new AIX, anyone had that 
> experience before ?
>
> Thanks
> Rodrigo
>
>
> ---
> Rodrigo Asensio
> Fuel Management Services
> Gilbarco Veeder Root
> phone: +1 336 547 5023
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Re: moving to linux

2006-09-11 Thread Leon Rosenberg

Hello,

if performance is your goal bringing an apache in front won't do you any good.
Fedora is probably as good as anything else, although i think it's a
workstation distribution. For servers I prefer debian.

regards
Leon

On 9/11/06, Asensio, Rodrigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello, since Tomcat on Windows Server 2003 is not satisfying the
expected performance whe are thinking about to move to Linux. Fedora
Core 5 more precicesly.

I would like to know what is the better combination, Tomcat as webserver
or Apache with Tomcat as mod to execute java.

Also, there is the posibility of get a brand new AIX, anyone had that
experience before ?

Thanks
Rodrigo


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