Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-14 Thread Mark Thomas 
On 14/11/2013 09:38, James Green wrote:
> I received this too. This is deeply wrong. I subscribed to Apache lists,
> not a commercial one. I look forward to seeing what the investigation
> reveals and what actions take place.

With my list moderator/owner hat on.

I have confirmed that only the list moderators and the infrastructure
team have direct access to the subscription lists.

The evidence available points to the e-mail addresses having been
harvested either by parsing one of the list archives or simply by virtue
of being a subscriber to the list. There is no evidence that the
subscriber list was accessed directly.

The action taken has been to make clear (both publicly in this thread
and privately elsewhere) that this was not acceptable and should not be
repeated. An assurance has been given that this will not be repeated.

At this point, I think the matter can be considered closed.

Mark


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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-14 Thread James Green 
I received this too. This is deeply wrong. I subscribed to Apache lists,
not a commercial one. I look forward to seeing what the investigation
reveals and what actions take place.


On 14 November 2013 08:25, Pid  wrote:

> On 13/11/2013 14:53, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
>  When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache
> community,
> > Sorry but how could you say "spamming the Apache Community"? without
> knowing me and how I have been contributing to the Apache community and
> projects?
>
> It's obviously unsolicited commercial email, which is the common base
> definition of spam.
>
> It also seems to me that sending it falls below the standard that one
> expects from members of the Apache community - I don't recall it
> happening before.
>
>
> > there can and ought to be consequences.
> > What do you mean?
> >
> > Doesn't Apache have some minimu standards for this?  He seems to be
> a project committer, but hasn't contributed any code in about a year.
> > I am PMC Chair of OpenWebBeans project. I think you don't know the roles
> of PMC Chair, please learn from here before talking.
> >
> > Lastly,
> >
> >
> > I get everyday huge amount of such marketing emails from all big known
> software vendors. I am sure you also receive such emails. If I am not
> interested, I simply unsubscribe from the list, this is not a really big
> problem to discuss!
> >
> > If you received such email from my email address, and not interested
> please unsubscribe from the list and you will never get a such email again.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Gurkan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:24 PM, Tim Watts 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 14:56 +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> >> I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
> >> about it. ;-)
> >
> > When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
> > there can and ought to be consequences.
> >
> > ___
> > [1] At least that's his claim in the email. Their website doesn't post
> > any PMC member list that I could find.  Doesn't Apache have some minimum
> > standards for this?  He seems to be a project committer, but hasn't
> > contributed any code in about a year.
> >
> >
> >
> >> regards
> >> Leon
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, André
> >  Warnier  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
> >>>
> >>> Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control, in not
> >>> using email addresses collected on this list for commercial promotion ?
> >>>
> >>>  Original Message 
> >>> From: - Wed Nov 13 13:48:37 2013
> >>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> >>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 
> >>> Return-Path:  >>>
> >  us4.mcsv.net>
> >>> X-Original-To: a...@ice-sa.com
> >>> Delivered-To: andre.warn...@ice-sa.com
> >>> Received-SPF: Pass (sender SPF authorized) identity=mailfrom;
> >>> client-ip=205.201.128.173; helo=mail173.us4.mcsv.net;
> >>> envelope-from=bounce-mc.us3_22715643.227889-aw=ice-sa.com@
> >>> mail173.us4.mcsv.net; receiver=a...@ice-sa.com
> >>> Received: from mail173.us4.mcsv.net 
> >>> (mail173.us4.mcsv.net[205.201.128.173])
>by
> >>> tor.combios.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFAB3C0AD2   for <
> a...@ice-sa.com>;
> >>> Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:48:25 +0100 (CET)
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> >>> mail173.us4.mcsv.net; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Date:Message-ID:List-
> >>> Unsubscribe:Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version;
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> >>>
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> >>> Received: from (127.0.0.1) by mail173.us4.mcsv.net id hgdqg0174lg1
> for <
> >>> a...@ice-sa.com>; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:47:58 + (envelope-from
> >>> )
> >>> Subject: TomEE Professional Support
> >>> From: Apache TomEE Support 
> >>> Reply-To: Apache TomEE Support 
> >>> To:  
> >>> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:47:58 +
> >>> Message-ID:
> <9781cf0ccdac7604f1f7fd52ea052bfdbb3.20131113124746@mail173.
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> >>>
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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-14 Thread André Warnier 

Pid wrote:

On 13/11/2013 14:53, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:

Hello all,


When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
Sorry but how could you say "spamming the Apache Community"? without knowing me and how I have been contributing to the Apache community and projects? 


It's obviously unsolicited commercial email, which is the common base
definition of spam.

It also seems to me that sending it falls below the standard that one
expects from members of the Apache community - I don't recall it
happening before.




To add maybe a final note to this thread :

From further analysis, it seems that in order to send these undoubtedly spam emails, 
Gurkan seems to have used the services of an organisation which, according to their own 
website at least (http://mailchimp.com/legal/privacy/) is taking some steps to insure that 
their lists of recipients would not be spread further.

Whether this was intentional or not, that is to his credit.

As an information professional, I feel however that I should add that this is far from 
being the general case, and that in my experience it happens frequently that such 
recipient lists are subsequently copied, re-distributed, re-sold or "leaked" to other 
related-or-not entities, even by organisations which very ponderously /pretend/ otherwise 
on their public website (or in public hearings, for that matter).



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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-14 Thread Pid 
On 13/11/2013 14:53, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
 When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
> Sorry but how could you say "spamming the Apache Community"? without knowing 
> me and how I have been contributing to the Apache community and projects? 

It's obviously unsolicited commercial email, which is the common base
definition of spam.

It also seems to me that sending it falls below the standard that one
expects from members of the Apache community - I don't recall it
happening before.


> there can and ought to be consequences.
> What do you mean?
> 
> Doesn't Apache have some minimu standards for this?  He seems to be a 
> project committer, but hasn't contributed any code in about a year.
> I am PMC Chair of OpenWebBeans project. I think you don't know the roles of 
> PMC Chair, please learn from here before talking. 
> 
> Lastly, 
> 
> 
> I get everyday huge amount of such marketing emails from all big known 
> software vendors. I am sure you also receive such emails. If I am not 
> interested, I simply unsubscribe from the list, this is not a really big 
> problem to discuss! 
> 
> If you received such email from my email address, and not interested please 
> unsubscribe from the list and you will never get a such email again.
> 
> Best 
> 
> Gurkan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:24 PM, Tim Watts  
> wrote:
>  
> On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 14:56 +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
>> I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
>> about it. ;-)
> 
> When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
> there can and ought to be consequences.
> 
> ___
> [1] At least that's his claim in the email. Their website doesn't post
> any PMC member list that I could find.  Doesn't Apache have some minimum
> standards for this?  He seems to be a project committer, but hasn't
> contributed any code in about a year.
> 
> 
> 
>> regards
>> Leon
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, André
>  Warnier  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
>>>
>>> Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control, in not
>>> using email addresses collected on this list for commercial promotion ?
>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>> From: - Wed Nov 13 13:48:37 2013
>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 
>>> Return-Path: >>
>  us4.mcsv.net>
>>> X-Original-To: a...@ice-sa.com
>>> Delivered-To: andre.warn...@ice-sa.com
>>> Received-SPF: Pass (sender SPF authorized) identity=mailfrom;
>>> client-ip=205.201.128.173; helo=mail173.us4.mcsv.net;
>>> envelope-from=bounce-mc.us3_22715643.227889-aw=ice-sa.com@
>>> mail173.us4.mcsv.net; receiver=a...@ice-sa.com
>>> Received: from mail173.us4.mcsv.net (mail173.us4.mcsv.net[205.201.128.173]) 
>>>by
>>> tor.combios.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFAB3C0AD2   for ;
>>> Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:48:25 +0100 (CET)
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>>
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>>> a...@ice-sa.com>; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:47:58 + (envelope-from
>>> )
>>> Subject: TomEE Professional Support
>>> From: Apache TomEE Support 
>>> Reply-To: Apache TomEE Support 
>>> To:  
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:47:58 +
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RE: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Caldarale, Charles R 
> From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net] 
> Subject: Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

> I got one, but it went to spam. CRM114 FTW!

Guess I'll have to plug mine back in...

http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/crm114/CRM114.jpg

 - Chuck


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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Christopher Schultz 
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Neven,

On 11/13/13, 11:06 AM, Neven Cvetkovic wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Gurkan Erdogdu
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Anyway, I closed the discussion from my side! If you are really
>> feeling bad now because of receiving such email from me, please
>> unsubscribe the list.
>> 
> 
> Gurkan, that seems to be an issue - people did not choose to be
> subscribed to your marketing list, they did choose to be on the
> Tomcat Users list :)
> 
> In your defence, I am a Tomcat Users list subscriber, and I did not
> get mail from your marketing list :)

I got one, but it went to spam. CRM114 FTW!

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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Christopher Schultz 
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Leo,

On 11/13/13, 9:21 AM, Leo Donahue - OETX wrote:
>> -Original Message- From: André Warnier
>> [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Subject: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional
>> Support]
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
>> 
>> Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control,
>> in not using email addresses collected on this list for
>> commercial promotion ?
>> 
> 
> I don't know why, but TomEE makes me think of Chris Farley.

If TomEE is Chris Farley, I think that makes Tomcat David Spade. Not
much better. :/

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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread David Landis 
Im surprised an ASF member wouldn't know better and then would go further
and try to defend his spamming of user lists. I think I'll pass on
his "guru level" support even if he does know the project on the "code
level".

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013, André Warnier wrote:

> Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
>
>> This email does not have any relation with my activities in ASF and its
>> projects. Its solely related with my marketing team in which how you get
>> emails. If I thought that it will be a spam, would I put my email address
>> to sender? I think no! We thought that you can benefit from this email.
>>
>> Anyway, I closed the discussion from my side! If you are really feeling
>> bad now because of receiving such email from me, please unsubscribe the
>> list.
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Gurkan
>>
>>
> Gurkan,
>
> I am not an Apache committer, but I do contribute from time to time to the
> Tomcat Users lists, using my free time to try to help others.
>
> It annoys me in general when I receive unsollicited advertisement emails.
> It annoys me all the more when these unsolicited advertisement emails come
> from someone who obviously used an email address scraped (or worse) from a
> list to which I participate.
> And even more so when it turns out that the person at the origin of it is
> someone who should be aware of at least some ethics commonly accepted in
> the Open Source world.
>
> I did not choose to be on your marketing list.  Why should I have to
> inconvenience myself by "opting out" of it by sending some email to someone
> or something I do not know, at the risk of my email appearing on even more
> such spam lists ?
> (Do you happily click on all the "unsubscribe" links that you receive ?)
>
> So please, since you were the one to put me on that list against my will,
> take the burden yourself of unsubscribing me right now.
>
> In any case, if the objective was to gather favorable potential customer
> attention, the reactions so far on this list should have shown by now that
> the result is rather negative.
> On this type of list that was quite predictable, which doesn't speak very
> well for your marketing team's sense.
> And you haven't helped your case by your own reactions so far.
>
> Since this correspondence will stay in the list archives, maybe it will
> help deter others in the future.  Aleluia.
>
> Note also that if the objective was to advertise your capacity to provide
> professional help for matters related to Tomcat, there was a better way to
> do that all along :
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SupportAndTraining
>
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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread André Warnier 

Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:

This email does not have any relation with my activities in ASF and its 
projects. Its solely related with my marketing team in which how you get 
emails. If I thought that it will be a spam, would I put my email address to 
sender? I think no! We thought that you can benefit from this email.

Anyway, I closed the discussion from my side! If you are really feeling bad now because of receiving such email from me, please unsubscribe the list. 


Cheers.

Gurkan



Gurkan,

I am not an Apache committer, but I do contribute from time to time to the Tomcat Users 
lists, using my free time to try to help others.


It annoys me in general when I receive unsollicited advertisement emails.
It annoys me all the more when these unsolicited advertisement emails come from someone 
who obviously used an email address scraped (or worse) from a list to which I participate.
And even more so when it turns out that the person at the origin of it is someone who 
should be aware of at least some ethics commonly accepted in the Open Source world.


I did not choose to be on your marketing list.  Why should I have to inconvenience myself 
by "opting out" of it by sending some email to someone or something I do not know, at the 
risk of my email appearing on even more such spam lists ?

(Do you happily click on all the "unsubscribe" links that you receive ?)

So please, since you were the one to put me on that list against my will, take the burden 
yourself of unsubscribing me right now.


In any case, if the objective was to gather favorable potential customer attention, the 
reactions so far on this list should have shown by now that the result is rather negative.
On this type of list that was quite predictable, which doesn't speak very well for your 
marketing team's sense.

And you haven't helped your case by your own reactions so far.

Since this correspondence will stay in the list archives, maybe it will help deter others 
in the future.  Aleluia.


Note also that if the objective was to advertise your capacity to provide professional 
help for matters related to Tomcat, there was a better way to do that all along :


http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SupportAndTraining

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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread chris derham 
> This email does not have any relation with my activities in ASF and its 
> projects. Its solely related with my marketing team in which how you get 
> emails. If I thought that it will be a spam, would I put my email address to 
> sender? I think no! We thought that you can benefit from this email.
>
> Anyway, I closed the discussion from my side! If you are really feeling bad 
> now because of receiving such email from me, please unsubscribe the list.

So to sum up you created a mailing list somehow, and then sent an
unsolicited email to a list of people. Now you demand that they
unsubscribe from your mailing list. You also feign that you can't
understand why people are complaining. To turn this on its head, how
about this. If each person on this list, decides that you might be
interested in something (I don't know a site selling a little blue
pill lets say for example), and added your email address to a mailing
service. Then when you complain about all the unsolicited email, we
can tell you "well we thought that you might be interested" and
"Anyway, I closed the discussion from my side! If you are really
feeling bad now because of receiving such email from me, please
unsubscribe the list." How would that make you feel?

Just because you are bored of this topic, doesn't mean other people
are. We are upset that somebody has spammed us. We want satisfaction.
Some kind of apology would be a start. Owning up to how created the
mailing list with emails might help. That way may be we can try to
prevent it from happening again.

Chris

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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Neven Cvetkovic 
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:

>
> Anyway, I closed the discussion from my side! If you are really feeling
> bad now because of receiving such email from me, please unsubscribe the
> list.
>

Gurkan, that seems to be an issue - people did not choose to be subscribed
to your marketing list, they did choose to be on the Tomcat Users list :)

In your defence, I am a Tomcat Users list subscriber, and I did not get
mail from your marketing list :)

Good luck!

Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Gurkan Erdogdu 
This email does not have any relation with my activities in ASF and its 
projects. Its solely related with my marketing team in which how you get 
emails. If I thought that it will be a spam, would I put my email address to 
sender? I think no! We thought that you can benefit from this email.

Anyway, I closed the discussion from my side! If you are really feeling bad now 
because of receiving such email from me, please unsubscribe the list. 

Cheers.

Gurkan





On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:23 PM, Tim Watts  wrote:
 
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 06:53 -0800, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> >>>When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
> Sorry but how could you say "spamming the Apache Community"? without
> knowing me and how I have been contributing to the Apache community
> and projects? 
> 
spam: n. Unsolicited email sent in bulk for commercial purposes.

That I don't know you only makes it more spammy.

> 
> there can and ought to be consequences.
> What do you mean?
> 
> Doesn't Apache have some minimu standards for this?  He seems to
> be a project committer, but hasn't contributed any code in about a
> year.
> I am PMC Chair of OpenWebBeans project. I think you don't know the
> roles of PMC Chair, please learn from here before talking. 

You mean that role comes with spamming privileges?  News to me.

> Lastly, 
> 
> 
> I get everyday huge amount of such marketing emails from all big known
> software vendors. I am sure you also receive such emails. If I am not
> interested, I simply unsubscribe from the list, this is not a really
> big problem to discuss! 
> 
> If you received such email from my email address, and not interested
> please unsubscribe from the list and you will never get a such email
> again.
> 
'Everyone else does it' is a pretty shaky ethical foundation.  Yes, it's
easy enough to unsubscribe.  But before I do that I need to check around
and make sure I can trust the link so I'm not just feeding a spammer.  I
get enough 'opt-out' crap already without having trusted sources like
ASF hopping on the bandwagon.  If this is going to be the new norm for
ASF I may have to rethink my list subscriptions.

Dude, you're not helping your mission here.  Take your wrist slap and
find a better channel to drum up business.


> Best 
> 
> Gurkan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:24 PM, Tim Watts  
> wrote:
>  
> On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 14:56 +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> > I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
> > about it. ;-)
> 
> When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
> there can and ought to be consequences.
> 
> ___
> [1] At least that's his claim in the email. Their website doesn't post
> any PMC member list that I could find.  Doesn't Apache have some minimum
> standards for this?  He seems to be a project committer, but hasn't
> contributed any code in about a year.
> 
> 
> 
> > regards
> > Leon
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, André
>  Warnier  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
> > >
> > > Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control, in not
> > > using email addresses collected on this list for commercial promotion ?
> > >
> > >  Original Message 
> > > From: - Wed Nov 13 13:48:37 2013
> > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> > > X-Mozilla-Status2: 
> > > Return-Path:  > >
>  us4.mcsv.net>
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> > > mail173.us4.mcsv.net; receiver=a...@ice-sa.com
> > > Received: from mail173.us4.mcsv.net 
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> >

Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Mark Thomas 
On 13/11/2013 15:22, Tim Watts wrote:
> I get enough 'opt-out' crap already without having trusted sources
> like ASF hopping on the bandwagon.  If this is going to be the new
> norm for ASF I may have to rethink my list subscriptions.

With my list owner hat on again, I'd just like to make it crystal
clear that this spam was not sent by the Apache Tomcat community or
any other part of the ASF.

While the individual who sent the e-mail is a member of the ASF and is
active in a number of ASF communities, the individual was acting as an
representative of their company. They were not acting on behalf of the
ASF.

While the ASF recognises that it is possible for spammers to scrap
e-mail addresses from ASF mailing lists, it is ASF policy that the
lists of the subscribers to ASF mailing lists are kept private.

Mark

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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Tim Watts 
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 06:53 -0800, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> >>>When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
> Sorry but how could you say "spamming the Apache Community"? without
> knowing me and how I have been contributing to the Apache community
> and projects? 
> 
spam: n. Unsolicited email sent in bulk for commercial purposes.

That I don't know you only makes it more spammy.

> 
> there can and ought to be consequences.
> What do you mean?
> 
> Doesn't Apache have some minimu standards for this?  He seems to
> be a project committer, but hasn't contributed any code in about a
> year.
> I am PMC Chair of OpenWebBeans project. I think you don't know the
> roles of PMC Chair, please learn from here before talking. 

You mean that role comes with spamming privileges?  News to me.

> Lastly, 
> 
> 
> I get everyday huge amount of such marketing emails from all big known
> software vendors. I am sure you also receive such emails. If I am not
> interested, I simply unsubscribe from the list, this is not a really
> big problem to discuss! 
> 
> If you received such email from my email address, and not interested
> please unsubscribe from the list and you will never get a such email
> again.
> 
'Everyone else does it' is a pretty shaky ethical foundation.  Yes, it's
easy enough to unsubscribe.  But before I do that I need to check around
and make sure I can trust the link so I'm not just feeding a spammer.  I
get enough 'opt-out' crap already without having trusted sources like
ASF hopping on the bandwagon.  If this is going to be the new norm for
ASF I may have to rethink my list subscriptions.

Dude, you're not helping your mission here.  Take your wrist slap and
find a better channel to drum up business.

> Best 
> 
> Gurkan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:24 PM, Tim Watts  
> wrote:
>  
> On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 14:56 +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> > I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
> > about it. ;-)
> 
> When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
> there can and ought to be consequences.
> 
> ___
> [1] At least that's his claim in the email. Their website doesn't post
> any PMC member list that I could find.  Doesn't Apache have some minimum
> standards for this?  He seems to be a project committer, but hasn't
> contributed any code in about a year.
> 
> 
> 
> > regards
> > Leon
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, André
>  Warnier  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
> > >
> > > Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control, in not
> > > using email addresses collected on this list for commercial promotion ?
> > >
> > >  Original Message 
> > > From: - Wed Nov 13 13:48:37 2013
> > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> > > X-Mozilla-Status2: 
> > > Return-Path:  > >
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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Gurkan Erdogdu 

Hello all,

>>>When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
Sorry but how could you say "spamming the Apache Community"? without knowing me 
and how I have been contributing to the Apache community and projects? 


there can and ought to be consequences.
What do you mean?

Doesn't Apache have some minimu standards for this?  He seems to be a 
project committer, but hasn't contributed any code in about a year.
I am PMC Chair of OpenWebBeans project. I think you don't know the roles of PMC 
Chair, please learn from here before talking. 

Lastly, 


I get everyday huge amount of such marketing emails from all big known software 
vendors. I am sure you also receive such emails. If I am not interested, I 
simply unsubscribe from the list, this is not a really big problem to discuss! 

If you received such email from my email address, and not interested please 
unsubscribe from the list and you will never get a such email again.

Best 

Gurkan




On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:24 PM, Tim Watts  wrote:
 
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 14:56 +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
> about it. ;-)

When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
there can and ought to be consequences.

___
[1] At least that's his claim in the email. Their website doesn't post
any PMC member list that I could find.  Doesn't Apache have some minimum
standards for this?  He seems to be a project committer, but hasn't
contributed any code in about a year.



> regards
> Leon
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, André
 Warnier  wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> >
> > I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
> >
> > Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control, in not
> > using email addresses collected on this list for commercial promotion ?
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: - Wed Nov 13 13:48:37 2013
> > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> > X-Mozilla-Status2: 
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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Mark Thomas 
On 13/11/2013 13:15, André Warnier wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
> 
> Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control, in not
> using email addresses collected on this list for commercial promotion ?

FYI.

This e-mail has triggered a number of complaints across the ASF, not
just on this list. With my list moderator hat on I'm trying to find out
exactly what happened and I'll update the list as I have some useful
information to report.

So far, I can confirm that the e-mail is not a forgery and that it was
sent by Gurkan Erdogdu who is the Chair of OpenWebBeans and a member of
the ASF.

I am currently attempting to discover how the list of recipients was
compiled.

Mark


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RE: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Konstantin Preißer 
Hi,

> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Watts [mailto:t...@cliftonfarm.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:24 PM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]
> 
> On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 14:56 +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> > I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
> > about it. ;-)
> 
> When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache
> community,
> there can and ought to be consequences.
> 
> ___
> [1] At least that's his claim in the email. Their website doesn't post
> any PMC member list that I could find.  Doesn't Apache have some minimum
> standards for this?  He seems to be a project committer, but hasn't
> contributed any code in about a year.

According to [1] and [2], Gurkan Erdogdu is the PMC Chair of the Apache 
OpenWebBeans project:

[1] http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openwebbeans-pmc
[2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/#who-runs-the-asf


Regards,
Konstantin Preißer

> 
> > regards
> > Leon
> >
> >
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> >
> > > Hi.
> > >
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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Tim Watts 
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 14:56 +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
> I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
> about it. ;-)

When an Apache project founder[1] starts spamming the Apache community,
there can and ought to be consequences.

___
[1] At least that's his claim in the email. Their website doesn't post
any PMC member list that I could find.  Doesn't Apache have some minimum
standards for this?  He seems to be a project committer, but hasn't
contributed any code in about a year.


> regards
> Leon
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, André Warnier  wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> >
> > I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
> >
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RE: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Leo Donahue - OETX 
>-Original Message-
>From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com]
>Subject: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]
>
>Hi.
>
>I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
>
>Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control, in not using 
>email
>addresses collected on this list for commercial promotion ?
>

I don't know why, but TomEE makes me think of Chris Farley.

Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Albert Kam 
I also got it.
What i did was clicking on the unsubscribe button and gave mailchimp the
reason why.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Leon Rosenberg wrote:

> I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
> about it. ;-)
> regards
> Leon
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, André Warnier  wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > I got the following email in my personal email inbox.
> >
> > Isn't there some rule, or at least some matter of self-control, in not
> > using email addresses collected on this list for commercial promotion ?
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: - Wed Nov 13 13:48:37 2013
> > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
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Re: [OT] [Fwd: TomEE Professional Support]

2013-11-13 Thread Leon Rosenberg 
I got it too. I think its easier to delete and forget it, as to debate
about it. ;-)
regards
Leon


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, André Warnier  wrote:

> Hi.
>
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