[VFB] Re: deer hair static
Thanks.I'm off to get a baby humidifier. Joyce On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Jeff Frye bighawk...@yahoo.com wrote: Use a humidifier, wear natural fabrics and leather rather than rubber shoes. Use a moisturizer on your hands. -- *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Fri, November 13, 2009 10:27:01 PM *Subject:* [VFB] re: deer hair static Once again the Christmas season orders are in full swing, and I'm plagued with static on deer hair. I can't use Bounce sheets or anti-static spray as I've used it so much I am allergic to it and my hands break out in a nasty weeping rash. So, do you have any other suggestions as to how to reduce the static when working with deer hair? Inquiring mids really need to know. Thanks. Joyce --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Slamon fly hook profile names- website Was: i souldn'ta done it
Neat site for salmon fly hook profiles and names: http://www.ronnlucassr.com/terminology.htm More curves than a fashion show. DonO - Original Message - From: Mark Romero To: virtual fly box Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: i souldn'ta done it never spent that much for a single hook before.i gotta be frickin' nuts.but what the hell...it's not about the money when you tye on somethin' that beautiful...they actually DO inspire when you tye on them..not that i'm really worthy of thembut like i said, what the hell...somebody gotta do it, lmao. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: i souldn'ta done it
Reuven, here's the answer to your question, put public, in the hopes that someone may learn something. Ron Reinhold would sell them whenever he had a certain number put aside. And he ALWAYS had a waiting line, big time. i got a couple of them one time and one time only. It was a tricky kinna deal.cause you had to call him, to make sure you were not gonna be forget.but as everybody who ever dealt with Ron knows.once you got him on the phone.you could not get him off the phone. He's one of those people who will keep talkin' til you hang up. LMAO.course he is always so interesting to talk toyou really don't mindbut three hours later you may have had something you hadda do, lmao. i only started buying/collecting/whatever, blind eye hooks about 6 years ago, and Ron sold out to Ronn (Lucas Sr.), but 4 years ago. So the Master Ron Reinhold was outta the picture not that long after i got into it. Ronn Lucas went and spent time with Ron Rienhold at his house in Michigan, (Lucas lives in Oregon) and learned from the Master himself. Ron taught Ronn everything he could over a few weeks i think it was.and Ronn bought everything Ronn had, EXCEPT his antique hook collection. For a while the antigue collection was up for sale in it's entirety for $10K.but inevitably it got sold off peace meal to a whole lotta different people. i got to see the entire thing when Ronn brought it with him to show us in Cleveland at the Atlantic Salmon Fly Tying/Steelhead Fly Fishing Symposium that was held there bout 4 times over the course of bout a 6 years period. They've never held it again since that year i went in 2004. It happend a couple years in a row and then a couple more times with time in between times.it was Cool. A half dozen or so, of the best in the world would come and teach and you took classes. And there was a dinner and an auctionhehehehehehe. It was at the Natural History Museum in Cleveland. As far as i know.all the so-called rejects are in the hands of tyers at this point in time.and i would think that they have all been dressed by now. Since they were inexpensive, i'm sure they've all been used up. Most serious (Atlantic) Salmon fly tyers go thru a process of chopping' their flies while they get to a certain level.in other words reusing hooks over and over again, to save money until they feel that they can consistantly dress a fly to the point where they no longer need to just simply practice. Or until they can afford hooks in numbers. And there are those very highly qualified Salmon fly tyes who never do really get into using the best hooks. Those are rare though, and i would believe that its just cause they're CHEAP! LMAO.. Personally i never chop a fly.i mean i havebut that was when it was just such a piece of crap when it was finished...blah blah blah...it's only happen less times than i could count on one hand. Not that MOST of my flies aren't horrible in my eyes...they are.but i just don't believe in choppin' flies OR being cheap, lol. A fly is a performancelive with itDEAL..get over it. .You dig? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:34:48 +1100 From: reuven_se...@iprimus.com.au To: markflie...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [VFB] i souldn'ta done it Hi Mark: Just out of curiousity, you mentioned that some hooks were once sold off for $5 (rejects) for a couple of years. What happens with these hooks now? Is it possible to access these hooks through someone, or are they just labelled differently now? Reuven Mark Romero wrote: i shouldn'ta done it...i shouldn'ta done it...i shouldn'ta done it...lmao. But i just couldn't help myself.lol. i just sent $60 to Montana and my guy with the Reinholds, for one Noble P #1. That's bout an 8/0.with a fairly long shank. i got a William Harrison Bartleet (also a Reinhold) 10/0 from him back on May 1st in Ellensburg at the Washington State Fly Fishing Fair, (which is actually the FFF Washington State Council Conclave), for $40. He was asking $45 and i was sposed to buy him a burger (which never happened) to make up the diff, lol. So i figure i got the Noble P for $55 and he finally got his $5 lmao. That 10/0 i got back on May 1st.could bring $65 to $70 now. It's a Gold Lable. i can't believe how these puppies just keep goin' up and up. He's got 4 more on ebay right now if anyone's lookin'..they're all Traditionals, not Exhibitions or Gold Labes. Ron sold his Traditionals as traditionals because he considered them not Perfect. The only differenca between them and the Exhibitions were very tiny minute flaws that only he could see. The Exhibtions always came wraped in a Gold Lable paper, which is why they are sometimes refered to as Gold
[VFB] Re: Slamon fly hook profile names- website Was: i souldn'ta done it
You dig. From: f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Slamon fly hook profile names- website Was: i souldn'ta done it Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:56:44 -0700 Neat site for salmon fly hook profiles and names: http://www.ronnlucassr.com/terminology.htm More curves than a fashion show. DonO - Original Message - From: Mark Romero To: virtual fly box Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: i souldn'ta done it never spent that much for a single hook before.i gotta be frickin' nuts.but what the hell...it's not about the money when you tye on somethin' that beautiful...they actually DO inspire when you tye on them..not that i'm really worthy of thembut like i said, what the hell...somebody gotta do it, lmao. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY
If we carry purism to a logical conclusion, to do it right {fishing} you'd
have to live naked in a cave, hit your trout on the head with rocks, and eat
them raw. But, so as not to violate another essential element of the
fly-fishing tradition, the rocks would have to be quarried in England and cost
$300 each.
John Gierach
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[VFB] Re: 3 more
Exotic cork-holder for your fly... - Original Message - From: Mark Romero To: virtual fly box Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: [VFB] 3 more Here's the other three i was gonna send altogether. i guess we'll see if the system can handle 3 pics at once. -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: QUOTE FOR THE DAY
Man, i want some of whatever it is he's been smokin'...
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:52:18 -0600
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Subject: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY
If we carry purism to a logical conclusion, to do it right {fishing} you'd
have to live naked in a cave, hit your trout on the head with rocks, and eat
them raw. But, so as not to violate another essential element of the
fly-fishing tradition, the rocks would have to be quarried in England and cost
$300 each.
John Gierach
º ***
JIMMY D. MOORE, Amateur Radio Station WB5RHT-
Author - Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club,
Humorist, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited,
Member TOWA, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus,
Texas Fish Game Magazine, Scout Exec. BSA, Ret.
Website - http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html
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[VFB] Re: 3 more
From: f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: 3 more Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:03:07 -0700 Exotic cork-holder for your fly... - Original Message - From: Mark Romero To: virtual fly box Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: [VFB] 3 more Here's the other three i was gonna send altogether. i guess we'll see if the system can handle 3 pics at once. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.BR _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MFESRPpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: 3 more
Cool fly!! - may I ask what the ingredients are / what the recipe is? I'd single out those items I'm most curious of, but that would list every part of the fly Seriously, the wing really piqued my fancy... not a married feather-slip wing, but yet there's definite purple and pink- dyed fibers... At the risk of sounding like someone new to these flies (which I freely admit, I am!), I'll ask what the materials are and how you got them to arrange in that manner. Again, for being a perfectionist and banal realism junky, this is really a cool tie! Keep them coming, -Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: 3 more
Again, for being a perfectionist and banal realism junky, this is really a cool tie! Just clarifying: I meant that *I* am the banal (un-immaginative to the extremes, yet ridiculously concerned with reality) tyer, yet I find this fly a really cool tye. (Have to clarify, else it comes out as an insult to Mark...) -Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: 3 more
btw, you notice the cock itselfStonefly Wines was at the FFF International Conclave in Loveland this year.and the guy who was mannin' their booth kept commin' over to my table over and over again..he was really into the flies. So finally i ask him what he does for a living and he tells me he has a booth at the show and he workds for Stonefly Wines, and he brought all the wine for the dinners, etc. So then he ask me if i need any corksARE YOU KIDDING?i ALWAYS need more corks. So he gives me a big bag of brand new, unused corksand they're great because they've never been squeezed into a bottle and they're FAT and sit perfectly straight. From: f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: 3 more Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:03:07 -0700 Exotic cork-holder for your fly... - Original Message - From: Mark Romero To: virtual fly box Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: [VFB] 3 more Here's the other three i was gonna send altogether. i guess we'll see if the system can handle 3 pics at once. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.BR _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: 3 more
thankx Pete.i thought i already put the recipe upi dunno..so many flies.so little time.i've got dozens of flies finished i've never even taken pics of yet.and more in the vises...i'm always either way behind or way ahead.depending on how you look at it. that fly is already put back downstairs.and my computer station is upstairs.lemme look at the pic again.. Hook: Reinhold 5/0 Low Water Dee XL Thread: was prolly Danville 6/0 Primrose Tag: like i said, the fly is downstairs now.but from the pick it looks just like regular antigue tinsel Tail: is some white water flow feather with some dyed malard fiber for a veiling Butt: is purple dyed Ostrich herl and then a bead i got in a local shop here Rib: is silver oval tinsel i believe, might be gold, but without the fly in my hand.looks silver.. Body: that's saltwater SLF picked out Wing: it's dyed Amhearst Pheasent tail fibers and undyed Argus Pheasent tail fibers done in the mixed wing style.you just build the wing in your fingers keeping the tips together after you have cut slips and seperated the fibers into single piles or maybe piles of two or three at most. So to blend them, you pick up lefts and rights one by one by one by one by one until you have them all gathered in your fingers with the tips pretty much evened, doing one at a time by color. It takes a while to do these wingsyou have to cut all your slips.seperate all the fibers and lay them out.by lefts and rights and color, and then put it all back together again into a wing that you can mount. And this particular wing i did skinny on purpose.normally it'd be bout twice that dense or moreit just depends on the hook your using and the style of the fly you want or the look you want. Collars: there's two, purple and grey Head/Eye: dyed purple and Fandango Pink or Fusia.i can't remember.that fly is months old i prolly shoulda wrote down all the recipes of the hundreds and hundreds of flies i've swaped, given away, donated, sold, have gone into plates, etc. but what the hell..i never repeat a fly anyway.so who the hell needs the recipe, lmao Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:14:34 -0500 Subject: [VFB] Re: 3 more From: pete.gr...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Cool fly!! - may I ask what the ingredients are / what the recipe is? I'd single out those items I'm most curious of, but that would list every part of the fly Seriously, the wing really piqued my fancy... not a married feather-slip wing, but yet there's definite purple and pink- dyed fibers... At the risk of sounding like someone new to these flies (which I freely admit, I am!), I'll ask what the materials are and how you got them to arrange in that manner. Again, for being a perfectionist and banal realism junky, this is really a cool tie! Keep them coming, -Pete _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came
Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself? If so, at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours at the bench. 1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24 hours a day. Now, considering that I run out of gas after about 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200 hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000. DUH! Ain't gonna happen !! :-P :-( :-D JIMMY D chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: Folks; i received my copy of Production Tying by AK Best today. Seems to be an awesome book. Can't wait to read it. The forward tells about how AK ties to sell over 3,000 DOZEN flies per YEAR. I can't even imagine that, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY
I wouldn't use a rock, that would bruise the fish. But if we become TRUE purists, we would eat the fish. This CR stuff is a 'recent' concept as far as the sport of angling is concerned. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came
The average work year for a person is 2080 hours. So he is a part time worker ;) Mike On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.netwrote: Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself? If so, at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours at the bench. 1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24 hours a day. Now, considering that I run out of gas after about 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200 hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000. DUH! Ain't gonna happen !! :-P :-( :-D JIMMY D chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: Folks; i received my copy of Production Tying by AK Best today. Seems to be an awesome book. Can't wait to read it. The forward tells about how AK ties to sell over 3,000 DOZEN flies per YEAR. I can't even imagine that, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came
funny how production tyers always wanna boast bout how many flies they tye a year...wass up with that??? does anybody really care...? lmaothass like some guy on an assembly line talkin' bout how many tires he makes a year...lmao.or cookies..or stuffed animals.who gives a flyin' crap? lmao.. Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:29:28 -1000 Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came From: flyfish...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com The average work year for a person is 2080 hours. So he is a part time worker ;) Mike On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself? If so, at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours at the bench. 1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24 hours a day. Now, considering that I run out of gas after about 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200 hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000. DUH! Ain't gonna happen !! :-P :-( :-D JIMMY D chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: Folks; i received my copy of Production Tying by AK Best today. Seems to be an awesome book. Can't wait to read it. The forward tells about how AK ties to sell over 3,000 DOZEN flies per YEAR. I can't even imagine that, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came
Hoy Matk: Don't get jealous that he is an expert. Anyone who ties that many flies must be goodor extremely bored, or living in Nigeria. How about we get one of those Nigerians who tie 10,000 flies a year to writ a book...or to atleast offer to share with us a US$72 billion inheritance from his great- uncle if we just deposit US$2000 for the paperwork to go through. Mark Romero wrote: funny how production tyers always wanna boast bout how many flies they tye a year...wass up with that??? does anybody really care...? lmaothass like some guy on an assembly line talkin' bout how many tires he makes a year...lmao.or cookies..or stuffed animals.who gives a flyin' crap? lmao.. Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:29:28 -1000 Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came From: flyfish...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com The average work year for a person is 2080 hours. So he is a part time worker ;) Mike On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net mailto:ray...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself? If so, at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours at the bench. 1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24 hours a day. Now, considering that I run out of gas after about 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200 hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000. DUH! Ain't gonna happen !! :-P :-( :-D JIMMY D chuckalexan...@hughes.net mailto:chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: Folks; i received my copy of Production Tying by AK Best today. Seems to be an awesome book. Can't wait to read it. The forward tells about how AK ties to sell over 3,000 DOZEN flies per YEAR. I can't even imagine that, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ' target='_new'Sign up now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Deer Hair Hackle
Don and all, who answered, thanks a lot for all suggestions. Why do I try to hackle with hair. Well, Iain was asking for a fly which uses deer hair. And therefore I thought, best will be to use as much hair as possible in the construction of the fly. I refused from spinning a body G Well, I found the trick: Use a larger hook. G, this allows for a larger hackle (longer hair), and the flies aren't masterpieces, but I try do find an angle for the photo, where the flies looks ok. Patricks flies for the fir swap use a soft hackle in split thread (You remember, kangaroo), that wasn't too difficult, just this 'dry fly hackle' with deer, is a nightmare. Anyway, I call it a day now, (remember Europe is 6 to 9 hours ahead of Texas, Jimmy), and we are late her. Rene Don Ordes wrote: Rene, use two different hairs- one to hackle and one to wing. When you are doing the wing, tie the bases down real tight, then gather the wings together (one at a time) with snug wraps around the base of the hair only, like doing a post, only don't go very far up the wing- don't want to see the thread. Then the hackle gets tricky, depending on the hair used. I started my fly with the tail then the wings, then flare a hackle set behind the wings with butts towards the bend, trim. This flares the hairs up against the back of the wings, filling in between them. Then I did the bodies, covering up the hackle butts when I got there. Then I'd do a rear-ward flare in front of the wings with the butts forward. This sandwiched the wings and made a dense hackle. I could either then trim the butts off or trim them into a deer-hair cone-head, like a small muddler. It's like hard-flaring the collar hairs on a muddler head, with the wings in between. The contrast is what makes the wings stand out, length, density, or color. Use you fingers to force the hairs into shape, then glue at the bases to hold them. Why did I quit doing these? The deer just didn't hold up like hackles. Then Dr. Tom took over Whiting and that was all for deer hackles. DonO - Original Message - From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Deer Hair Hackle Hi Don, I tried 'Comparadun hair', it is short and not hollow (I think), the stack and flare technique works, but I want to wing the fly.. Maybe flare, wing and.. Rene Don Ordes wrote: I used to do deer-hair hackling long ago, but I just stacked and flared it. I could do up one and send you a photo. Type of deer and location on hide is important. DonO - Original Message - From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: [VFB] Deer Hair Hackle Gang, Is anybody using dear hair in a split thread for hackling? Any tips? I'm playing around for Iain swap with this - he asks for flies with deer hair G, and my hackle aren't as dense as they should be. Hints? Rene BTW: I looked in the ff bible, but this book has no infos on it --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: QUOTE FOR THE DAY
I like this quote. It sums up a lot about fly fishing/tying as it is now.
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Subject: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY
If we carry purism to a logical conclusion, to do it right {fishing} you'd
have to live naked in a cave, hit your trout on the head with rocks, and eat
them raw. But, so as not to violate another essential element of the
fly-fishing tradition, the rocks would have to be quarried in England and
cost $300 each.
John Gierach
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[VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came
save me somma what you drinkin'. Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:09:14 +1100 From: reuven_se...@iprimus.com.au To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came Hoy Matk: Don't get jealous that he is an expert. Anyone who ties that many flies must be goodor extremely bored, or living in Nigeria. How about we get one of those Nigerians who tie 10,000 flies a year to writ a book...or to atleast offer to share with us a US$72 billion inheritance from his great- uncle if we just deposit US$2000 for the paperwork to go through. Mark Romero wrote: funny how production tyers always wanna boast bout how many flies they tye a year...wass up with that??? does anybody really care...? lmaothass like some guy on an assembly line talkin' bout how many tires he makes a year...lmao.or cookies..or stuffed animals.who gives a flyin' crap? lmao.. Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:29:28 -1000 Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came From: flyfish...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com The average work year for a person is 2080 hours. So he is a part time worker ;) Mike On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net mailto:ray...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself? If so, at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours at the bench. 1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24 hours a day. Now, considering that I run out of gas after about 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200 hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000. DUH! Ain't gonna happen !! :-P :-( :-D JIMMY D chuckalexan...@hughes.net mailto:chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: Folks; i received my copy of Production Tying by AK Best today. Seems to be an awesome book. Can't wait to read it. The forward tells about how AK ties to sell over 3,000 DOZEN flies per YEAR. I can't even imagine that, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ' target='_new'Sign up now. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying for a living
Jimmy, I tied commercially - in the lng ago past- for a short time. Very Major YUK! For a professional tier, tying time is only a portion of the time invested. It depends on how efficient you are, how well planned your set-up time is, your tying facilities, etc. If you can be efficient in all these things, the %age of overhead services will be smaller. There's accounting, book-keeping, account payable, accounts receeivable, bill collecting, sales, purchasing problems with supplies/suppliers, materials handling and control, shipping, etc. One thing commercial tiers had was a huge box of waste necks with unuseable feathers. Take all the hats any business owner wears and the professional tier has to wear them at some time. I estimated with all of the time invested besides tying, the actual realistic production time (tying) was about 50% getting started, and once the bugs got worked out, about 70%. If you don't pay attention to the support functions, it will fail. If you pay for the services, it comes right off the top. Competition from overseas tying has make commercial tying here either starvation wages or hobby only. So factor these things in with your calculations. DonO - Original Message - From: Jimmy D. Moore To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:00 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself? If so, at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours at the bench. 1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24 hours a day. Now, considering that I run out of gas after about 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200 hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000. DUH! Ain't gonna happen !! :-P :-( :-D JIMMY D chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: Folks; i received my copy of Production Tying by AK Best today. Seems to be an awesome book. Can't wait to read it. The forward tells about how AK ties to sell over 3,000 DOZEN flies per YEAR. I can't even imagine that, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
