Re: [VFB] Edgar Sealey & Sons hooks

2014-11-21 Thread Mike Bliss 
Interesting - thanks Neville

Mike


> On Nov 21, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Neville Gosling  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike:
> 
> I remember the firm of "Edgar Sealy & Sons" & got the following from the web 
> - although I don't think that it is 100% accurate. I could be wrong but I 
> don't think that they continued making hooks up to 1981. I suspect that the 
> hook making ceased long before that.
> 
>  "Edgar Sealy & Sons started as a hook-maker some time around 1930, and are 
> listed in the Kelly's Directory of 1932 at Brookhill Works, Hewell Road, 
> Redditch."
> 
> "At their peak in the 1950s, they were employing around 100 people, but they 
> were taken over by Dunlop Sports in 1960, and became more of a distributor 
> than manufacturer, though they continued making hooks until they closed the 
> factory and moved to Falmouth in 1981."
> 
> "Some of their machinery was bought by Vince Green, and is still used in the 
> manufacture of Sprite hooks." 
> 
> Not sure of status of Sprite now. Vince Green had a stroke and closed the 
> business and shortly after he passed away. Someone has subsequently tried to 
> resurrect Sprite. 
> 
> I went for a tour of the Partridge Factory in Redditch in 1985. At that time, 
> Partridge already had some of the hook making machinery that formerly 
> belonged to Sealy. 
> 
> As far as I know, Edgar Sealy & Sons was the first company to produce the 
> "Octopus" style of hooks which is popular today
> 
> "Their reels were all made by J. W. Young and at one time were Young's main 
> distributor." I have one of their reels in almost mint boxed condition.
> 
> As I recall, there was also a Bernard Sealy involved in the fishing tackle 
> industry in the UK but I was unable to find any reference to them.
> 
> Neville (Nev) Gosling
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Mike Bliss > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am organizing my tying materials.  Years ago I picked up several boxes of 
>> Edgar Sealey & Sons hooks.  One box I am not sure what they are exactly.  
>> The number is S3008.  I don’t have a book that can tell me what they are.  
>> It looks like a standard wet fly hook.  Any help out there?  Are they worth 
>> anything other than for the hook?
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

2014-11-21 Thread Chuck Alexander 
H. I have twin Aunts who are both beauticians and they could probably do 
that for me. Thanks, Chuck

From: Don Ordes 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:35 PM
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Chuck, ask your local beauty parlor what they’d charge you to dye stuff like 
furs and feathers. They’re dying for your business. The local beauty parlor 
here is named ‘Curl up and Dye Salon’. 

It is Rit’n in fly-tying, “Black is beautiful, unless you have to dye for it.” 
Sorry, my dark humor coming out. I prefer more color in my commentary.

DonO
PS  Assembling a load of demo-flies to send your way. A good supply of dubbing 
if you strip the hooks and recycle.

From: Chuck Alexander 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Wes: Looks like a one stop shop for dyes for sure. Thanks, Chuck

From: Wes Wada 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:02 PM
To: VFB Mail 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Dharma Trading is a good resource for learning about the various dyes and 
procedures. They service craftspeople, tie dyers, and the like.  Excellent 
color charts and service.

http://www.dharmatrading.com/dyes/index.html



Wes
Bend, Oregon

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 wrote:

  Will do, Chuck

  From: Allan Fish 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:25 AM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

  If you get hold of aniline dyes be sure to wear good rubber gloves. And a 
mask wouldn't be out of order either. Not only do they dye your hands, they are 
absorbed through the skin. Think about liver problems,cancer and other fun 
things like that. 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Nov 19, 2014, at 10:28 PM, Phxflytyer  wrote:


What about using anilin dyes?



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Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Joyce M Westphal  wrote:


  May I suggest, before you have done  the dyeing, etc. that you may want 
to just keep the grizzly hackle without dyeing  it and go to 
Lakelandflytying.com in the UK and just buy one of their Whiting saddles or 
necks in the color you want. They have the best dyed feathers I have ever had 
the chance to use, and in wonderful blacks, including a claret black that is 
superb on tiny midges.  For a natural black, you will want to check out the 
people who bought Denny Conrad's stock.  He has natural blacks that are 
awesome.  Joyce

  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:09 PM,  wrote:

Chuck:
  The dyes in that kit are not the same as Kool Aid unless you're 
thinking Jonestown or the dyes you see in the stores around Easter time. In the 
instructions that came with the kit in large letters is "Do not eat any egg 
treated with these dyes"  I've thought about picking up a couple of packs of 
the people friendly Easter egg dyes in the $Store after Easter.  Good Luck.  
Just remember that a black hackle neck is not a black grizzly hackle neck.

Jerry C

"All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia."


- Original Message -
Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left 
over. And
if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes
"black" using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make "black". But I'll 
bet
that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid 
(food
grade dyes) with the vinegar added to "set" the colors. Anyway, I guess 
I
could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just
break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle  neck for an early
Christmas gift. I HAVE been a "good little boy" this year after all 
LOL..
When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving 
me a
lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a 
light
cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting 
with
a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck

-Original Message-
From: jerryp...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Chuck:
  I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time.  I had several grizzly 
saddles of
various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and 
had
found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make 
the
eggs.  There were several packets of dye left including black.  So I
followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and 
came
out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red,
purple and black.  The

Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

2014-11-21 Thread Chuck Alexander 
Ashley: Thanks for the tips. I’m doing just that. My son has been trying to dye 
some already near black material  to jet black for four days now, even using 
Rit at double strength, but it stays a deep purple when it is rinsed and dried. 
Chuck

From: ashley strutt 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 12:32 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Hi Chuck, 

Black is notorious for being very difficult to dye with fabric dyes such as Rit 
(and dylon).  From experience, I wouldn't bother wasting your time with black 
Rit but try and find a black dye that is stronger,  when I get around to it I 
will be searching for one myself.

Personnally,  I  would always add the vinegar. 

Ashley

On 18 Nov 2014 19:21, "Chuck Alexander"  wrote:

  Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) 
with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material 
he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so 
of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the 
vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or 
wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. 
Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is.

  Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly 
feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in 
that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go 
from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? 
Thanks, Chuck


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Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

2014-11-21 Thread Thomas R. Eckert 
Black colour is easy obt. with hair dye.
Thomas
(Von Unterwegs gesendet)


> Am 21.11.2014 um 19:32 schrieb ashley strutt :
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> Black is notorious for being very difficult to dye with fabric dyes such as 
> Rit (and dylon).  From experience, I wouldn't bother wasting your time with 
> black Rit but try and find a black dye that is stronger,  when I get around 
> to it I will be searching for one myself.
> 
> Personnally,  I  would always add the vinegar.
> 
> Ashley
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2014 19:21, "Chuck Alexander"  
>> wrote:
>> Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) 
>> with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin 
>> material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three 
>> gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the 
>> salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the 
>> material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then 
>> let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black 
>> like the dye is.
>>  
>> Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly 
>> feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in 
>> that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to 
>> go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add 
>> vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck
>>  
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Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

2014-11-21 Thread Don Ordes 
Chuck, ask your local beauty parlor what they’d charge you to dye stuff like 
furs and feathers. They’re dying for your business. The local beauty parlor 
here is named ‘Curl up and Dye Salon’. 

It is Rit’n in fly-tying, “Black is beautiful, unless you have to dye for it.” 
Sorry, my dark humor coming out. I prefer more color in my commentary.

DonO
PS  Assembling a load of demo-flies to send your way. A good supply of dubbing 
if you strip the hooks and recycle.

From: Chuck Alexander 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:53 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Wes: Looks like a one stop shop for dyes for sure. Thanks, Chuck

From: Wes Wada 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:02 PM
To: VFB Mail 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Dharma Trading is a good resource for learning about the various dyes and 
procedures. They service craftspeople, tie dyers, and the like.  Excellent 
color charts and service.

http://www.dharmatrading.com/dyes/index.html



Wes
Bend, Oregon

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 wrote:

  Will do, Chuck

  From: Allan Fish 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:25 AM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

  If you get hold of aniline dyes be sure to wear good rubber gloves. And a 
mask wouldn't be out of order either. Not only do they dye your hands, they are 
absorbed through the skin. Think about liver problems,cancer and other fun 
things like that. 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Nov 19, 2014, at 10:28 PM, Phxflytyer  wrote:


What about using anilin dyes?



Sent from my iPad 

Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Joyce M Westphal  wrote:


  May I suggest, before you have done  the dyeing, etc. that you may want 
to just keep the grizzly hackle without dyeing  it and go to 
Lakelandflytying.com in the UK and just buy one of their Whiting saddles or 
necks in the color you want. They have the best dyed feathers I have ever had 
the chance to use, and in wonderful blacks, including a claret black that is 
superb on tiny midges.  For a natural black, you will want to check out the 
people who bought Denny Conrad's stock.  He has natural blacks that are 
awesome.  Joyce

  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:09 PM,  wrote:

Chuck:
  The dyes in that kit are not the same as Kool Aid unless you're 
thinking Jonestown or the dyes you see in the stores around Easter time. In the 
instructions that came with the kit in large letters is "Do not eat any egg 
treated with these dyes"  I've thought about picking up a couple of packs of 
the people friendly Easter egg dyes in the $Store after Easter.  Good Luck.  
Just remember that a black hackle neck is not a black grizzly hackle neck.

Jerry C

"All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia."


- Original Message -
Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left 
over. And
if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes
"black" using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make "black". But I'll 
bet
that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid 
(food
grade dyes) with the vinegar added to "set" the colors. Anyway, I guess 
I
could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just
break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle  neck for an early
Christmas gift. I HAVE been a "good little boy" this year after all 
LOL..
When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving 
me a
lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a 
light
cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting 
with
a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck

-Original Message-
From: jerryp...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Chuck:
  I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time.  I had several grizzly 
saddles of
various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and 
had
found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make 
the
eggs.  There were several packets of dye left including black.  So I
followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and 
came
out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red,
purple and black.  The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can 
see
the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit 
glossier
and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion.  Go for it.

Jerry Caruso
"All thi

Re: [VFB] Edgar Sealey & Sons hooks

2014-11-21 Thread Neville Gosling 
Hi Mike:

I remember the firm of "Edgar Sealy & Sons" & got the following from the web - 
although I don't think that it is 100% accurate. I could be wrong but I don't 
think that they continued making hooks up to 1981. I suspect that the hook 
making ceased long before that.

 "Edgar Sealy & Sons started as a hook-maker some time around 1930, and are 
listed in the Kelly's Directory of 1932 at Brookhill Works, Hewell Road, 
Redditch."

"At their peak in the 1950s, they were employing around 100 people, but they 
were taken over by Dunlop Sports in 1960, and became more of a distributor than 
manufacturer, though they continued making hooks until they closed the factory 
and moved to Falmouth in 1981."

"Some of their machinery was bought by Vince Green, and is still used in the 
manufacture of Sprite hooks." 

Not sure of status of Sprite now. Vince Green had a stroke and closed the 
business and shortly after he passed away. Someone has subsequently tried to 
resurrect Sprite. 

I went for a tour of the Partridge Factory in Redditch in 1985. At that time, 
Partridge already had some of the hook making machinery that formerly belonged 
to Sealy. 

As far as I know, Edgar Sealy & Sons was the first company to produce the 
"Octopus" style of hooks which is popular today

"Their reels were all made by J. W. Young and at one time were Young's main 
distributor." I have one of their reels in almost mint boxed condition.

As I recall, there was also a Bernard Sealy involved in the fishing tackle 
industry in the UK but I was unable to find any reference to them.

Neville (Nev) Gosling




> On Nov 20, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Mike Bliss  wrote:
> 
> I am organizing my tying materials.  Years ago I picked up several boxes of 
> Edgar Sealey & Sons hooks.  One box I am not sure what they are exactly.  The 
> number is S3008.  I don’t have a book that can tell me what they are.  It 
> looks like a standard wet fly hook.  Any help out there?  Are they worth 
> anything other than for the hook?
> 
> Mike
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Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

2014-11-21 Thread ashley strutt 
Hi Chuck,

Black is notorious for being very difficult to dye with fabric dyes such as
Rit (and dylon).  From experience, I wouldn't bother wasting your time with
black Rit but try and find a black dye that is stronger,  when I get around
to it I will be searching for one myself.

Personnally,  I  would always add the vinegar.

Ashley
On 18 Nov 2014 19:21, "Chuck Alexander" 
wrote:

>   Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or
> fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple
> demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the
> three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde
> the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt
> if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a
> boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT
> jet black like the dye is.
>
> Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly
> feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck
> in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly
> to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add
> vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck
>
>
>
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Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

2014-11-21 Thread Chuck Alexander 
Wes: Looks like a one stop shop for dyes for sure. Thanks, Chuck

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Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Dharma Trading is a good resource for learning about the various dyes and 
procedures. They service craftspeople, tie dyers, and the like.  Excellent 
color charts and service.

http://www.dharmatrading.com/dyes/index.html



Wes
Bend, Oregon

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 wrote:

  Will do, Chuck

  From: Allan Fish 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:25 AM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

  If you get hold of aniline dyes be sure to wear good rubber gloves. And a 
mask wouldn't be out of order either. Not only do they dye your hands, they are 
absorbed through the skin. Think about liver problems,cancer and other fun 
things like that. 

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  On Nov 19, 2014, at 10:28 PM, Phxflytyer  wrote:


What about using anilin dyes?



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Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Joyce M Westphal  wrote:


  May I suggest, before you have done  the dyeing, etc. that you may want 
to just keep the grizzly hackle without dyeing  it and go to 
Lakelandflytying.com in the UK and just buy one of their Whiting saddles or 
necks in the color you want. They have the best dyed feathers I have ever had 
the chance to use, and in wonderful blacks, including a claret black that is 
superb on tiny midges.  For a natural black, you will want to check out the 
people who bought Denny Conrad's stock.  He has natural blacks that are 
awesome.  Joyce

  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:09 PM,  wrote:

Chuck:
  The dyes in that kit are not the same as Kool Aid unless you're 
thinking Jonestown or the dyes you see in the stores around Easter time. In the 
instructions that came with the kit in large letters is "Do not eat any egg 
treated with these dyes"  I've thought about picking up a couple of packs of 
the people friendly Easter egg dyes in the $Store after Easter.  Good Luck.  
Just remember that a black hackle neck is not a black grizzly hackle neck.

Jerry C

"All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia."


- Original Message -
Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left 
over. And
if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes
"black" using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make "black". But I'll 
bet
that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid 
(food
grade dyes) with the vinegar added to "set" the colors. Anyway, I guess 
I
could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just
break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle  neck for an early
Christmas gift. I HAVE been a "good little boy" this year after all 
LOL..
When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving 
me a
lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a 
light
cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting 
with
a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck

-Original Message-
From: jerryp...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???

Chuck:
  I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time.  I had several grizzly 
saddles of
various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and 
had
found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make 
the
eggs.  There were several packets of dye left including black.  So I
followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and 
came
out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red,
purple and black.  The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can 
see
the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit 
glossier
and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion.  Go for it.

Jerry Caruso
"All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia."

- Original Message -
Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or 
fabric)
with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin
material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the 
three
gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the
salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt 
if the
material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, 
then
let it soak all day. Still j