Re: [VFB] Hot Weather in Waco
On 7/28/15 4:08 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: It hit 100 today, the 5th day of the summer season. Can't complain though cause this time last summer we had 12 , year 31 straight. Way too hot to fish,so, I'll tie a few flies, read some fishing books and try a new remedy on my feet - acupuncture. I can still walk, albeit with a cane.Might crank up the old JFTD for the VFB. That's the Joke Club I did several years ago, if there's enough interest. LEMME KNOW Being crippled sucks. JIMMYD. Jimmy, Very humid here, in the upper 90's. About passed out working on a pony yesterday afternoon! I just got back from a PSA Trek at Philmont last Sunday - I am definitely ready to go back!! I have never seen the ranch so lush and green due to all of the rainfall. Too bad about the Ponil flooding but could have been MUCH worse. I am up for the JFTD starting up again. Hope your feet get better. Sincerely, Bruce -- Bruce P. Whittle, DVM Honey Creek Veterinary Hospital Trenton, MO (660)-359-9908 brucewhit...@gmail.com May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view! Edward Abbey -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [VFB] Hot Weather in Waco
Same thing here Jimmy, I need a cane or walker to get around. Had family here for three weeks and only got to fish for an hour or so. High water and heat along with the pain of sitting in the boat.We are just getting to be old toots.Tony On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:09 PM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote: It hit 100 today, the 5th day of the summer season. Can't complain though cause this time last summer we had 12 , year 31 straight. Way too hot to fish,so, I'll tie a few flies, read some fishing books and try a new remedy on my feet - acupuncture. I can still walk, albeit with a cane.Might crank up the old JFTD for the VFB. That's the Joke Club I did several years ago, if there's enough interest. LEMME KNOW Being crippled sucks. JIMMYD. -- º ** Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, Virtual Fly Box Fly Fishing World Moderator, Scout Exec. Boy Scouts of America, Retired -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [VFB] Copyright and discussion forums...
Consider water marking your photos with your website or company name and copyright year. I was always told that in the world of flies you can copyright a fly by name but not really patent one. All it would take is someone to change one material or change the quantity or size in a material used. Tie it in another sequence, color, etc and the patent is useless. But your picture is your picture and the laws are a little more straight forward in regards to pictures. Watermark them so that if someone does link to your server as they have done in the past or outright download the images and then upload them somewhere else that there is at least a visual clue to the reader what is really going on. You are due fair credit for creation of those flies and there should be some ethics on the part of the forum in question in giving and ensuring due credit is given. Now if someone ties and photographs say an old but publicly known fly then the credit to the pattern should go to the originator and the credit for the photo (and tyer) should go to that individual. Please note that if you post pictures to social media (including said forum) that generally in the fine print you can find some legalese that claims ownership of everything you post including pictures. Some media companies scour social networks for original artwork to use in magazines, websites, etc. So be careful what you post online because unless you own the server there is a good chance that you don't own what you post there. And if set to publicly available, if may even be interpreted as public domain. I can tell you without a doubt that Facebook, twitter, etc all claim ownership over what you upload whether you delete it or not (they don't really delete anything, just hide it). I think we may find some humor and plenty of fodder for people seeking public office, especially 20 - 30 years from now when many people don't take what they post online very seriously. This is still the early days of social media. I will say that Facebook does provide provisions on how to handle theft of copyrighted material including words and photos, but you must prove that you are the rightful owner. Nobody but you can file a claim. YouTube has the same mechanisms and probably a few others. I once used the Chilipepper and a picture from Tony's vise of one he tied in a newsletter but I attributed both the pattern and photo to him. I think it is important to society to give credit where it is due. Scott On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:37 AM Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote: Nick: There is strength in numbers and if it is indeed the flytyingforum.com we could ask the VFB members individually to e-mail the administrator and tell him as Wes suggests to “Cease Desist” displaying your photograph without your permission. I now place a copyright symbol on my photos together with my name. They can still crop it out or photoshop it, but each photo normally has metadata attached to it which should include the original creation date and camera used. Neville (Nev) Gosling On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Niclas (Gmail) n.runars...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't really matter now. I got banned for thinking that I still owned the riights to my photo... :( On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote: Hi Nick: I’m guessing that you are referring to the flytyingforum.com that also has a fly pattern database that patterns may be uploaded to? Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver BC Canada On Jul 27, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Niclas (Gmail) n.runars...@gmail.com wrote: So, guys - here's one for you... Background: I'm getting tired of people posting my flies and stating that they are their own. The more flies with different owners showing up in picture searchs makes the ownership of the material on my own website unclear. I know what copyright is about and until today I thought it was the same over there but on a certain discussion forum where you also can upload patterns to a pattern database I ran into a brick wall. The discussion with the administrator has been ridiculous But as an administrator I'd like to assume that he should have some knowledge about rules and laws... and since he's not bending one inch (and getting more and more rude), it's not that I start to wonder if I'm wrong myself. Someone else has used a photo (taken by myself) from my site and used it for uploading a pattern in the forum's pattern database. First he thought I meant that it was my pattern and he wanted to see a patent ID. I explained that the pattern was beside the point and that it was the picture that was the issue. I think I got that through. But he's still wants to see a patent ID to remove it or stop wasting his time because I'm bringing up shit that noone but I even care about. Question: Is copyright different in US. Has a US discussion forum more rights than a private person to publish copyrighted pictures? /Nick --
Re: [VFB] Copyright and discussion forums...
Rights to the fly was what he thought I meant from the start but then it didn't matter how many times I pointed out that it was the rights to the PICTURE... he just couldn't let go of his patent ID request. Now I have that photo with a waterstamp on my page and am about to do the same with the rest of the photos there. (This was just a part of the work to clean out the other ones.) If THAT photo had been the one uploaded I wouldn't have cared (and I told the admin that too)... and I even asked if replacing was possible myself. I also said that I still had the original photo, taken 2007, full resolution, totally unedited/unresized/uncropped (including a bit of my tying room wall) if he had any doubts. Did he care to ask me for it? No, he still demanded a patent number. Funny fact... if you can call it 'funny': When it was uploaded 2011, a forum topic started, with the picture and a link to the pattern database (automatically generated I guess). The user immediately posted and said that *he hadn't uploaded it*... someone must have uploaded it with his user name and *he asked admin to remove it*... but it wasn't removed. The even more funny(?) fact. As I linked to this forum topic (twice) in last night's discussion *the admin could see that other user saying it wasn't his and requesting to have it removed!!!* But still the only thing removed is user Runarsson's rights to use the forum. http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=63177hl=%2Bemerger+%2Bbuzzer I never had any complaints against the forum. FTF wasn't the one uploading. I just asked for help. I wish I had started my discussion on open forum instead, so people could have seen him refuse to remove my pic, seen who was the polite part of the conversation and finally seen him put an end to the conversation (and all my other FTF conversations) with a simple *Your done budbye, Welcome to USA* ... or maybe he wouldn't have in front of all the others. On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Scott Bearden scott.bear...@gmail.com wrote: Consider water marking your photos with your website or company name and copyright year. I was always told that in the world of flies you can copyright a fly by name but not really patent one. All it would take is someone to change one material or change the quantity or size in a material used. Tie it in another sequence, color, etc and the patent is useless. But your picture is your picture and the laws are a little more straight forward in regards to pictures. Watermark them so that if someone does link to your server as they have done in the past or outright download the images and then upload them somewhere else that there is at least a visual clue to the reader what is really going on. You are due fair credit for creation of those flies and there should be some ethics on the part of the forum in question in giving and ensuring due credit is given. Now if someone ties and photographs say an old but publicly known fly then the credit to the pattern should go to the originator and the credit for the photo (and tyer) should go to that individual. Please note that if you post pictures to social media (including said forum) that generally in the fine print you can find some legalese that claims ownership of everything you post including pictures. Some media companies scour social networks for original artwork to use in magazines, websites, etc. So be careful what you post online because unless you own the server there is a good chance that you don't own what you post there. And if set to publicly available, if may even be interpreted as public domain. I can tell you without a doubt that Facebook, twitter, etc all claim ownership over what you upload whether you delete it or not (they don't really delete anything, just hide it). I think we may find some humor and plenty of fodder for people seeking public office, especially 20 - 30 years from now when many people don't take what they post online very seriously. This is still the early days of social media. I will say that Facebook does provide provisions on how to handle theft of copyrighted material including words and photos, but you must prove that you are the rightful owner. Nobody but you can file a claim. YouTube has the same mechanisms and probably a few others. I once used the Chilipepper and a picture from Tony's vise of one he tied in a newsletter but I attributed both the pattern and photo to him. I think it is important to society to give credit where it is due. Scott On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:37 AM Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote: Nick: There is strength in numbers and if it is indeed the flytyingforum.com we could ask the VFB members individually to e-mail the administrator and tell him as Wes suggests to “Cease Desist” displaying your photograph without your permission. I now place a copyright symbol on my photos together with my name. They can still crop it out or photoshop it, but each photo
[VFB] Hot Weather in Waco
It hit 100 today, the 5th day of the summer season. Can't complain though cause this time last summer we had 12 , year 31 straight. Way too hot to fish,so, I'll tie a few flies, read some fishing books and try a new remedy on my feet - acupuncture. I can still walk, albeit with a cane.Might crank up the old JFTD for the VFB. That's the Joke Club I did several years ago, if there's enough interest. LEMME KNOW Being crippled sucks. JIMMYD. -- º ** Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, Virtual Fly Box Fly Fishing World Moderator, Scout Exec. Boy Scouts of America, Retired -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [VFB] Copyright and discussion forums...
The worst thing is really what he did... not what he didn't do. IF I had had the contact information that any other person would have used for an email about something like this, I would have used it. But I didn't find it, so the only way was to log in and use a personal message. But it doesn't change it from being an any other person issue... During the 7 years I've been a member I have never said a bad word on that forum. But tired of a discussion he took the forum away for something I didn't even do as a member... just any other person with a website. :( On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Niclas (Gmail) n.runars...@gmail.com wrote: Rights to the fly was what he thought I meant from the start but then it didn't matter how many times I pointed out that it was the rights to the PICTURE... he just couldn't let go of his patent ID request. Now I have that photo with a waterstamp on my page and am about to do the same with the rest of the photos there. (This was just a part of the work to clean out the other ones.) If THAT photo had been the one uploaded I wouldn't have cared (and I told the admin that too)... and I even asked if replacing was possible myself. I also said that I still had the original photo, taken 2007, full resolution, totally unedited/unresized/uncropped (including a bit of my tying room wall) if he had any doubts. Did he care to ask me for it? No, he still demanded a patent number. Funny fact... if you can call it 'funny': When it was uploaded 2011, a forum topic started, with the picture and a link to the pattern database (automatically generated I guess). The user immediately posted and said that *he hadn't uploaded it*... someone must have uploaded it with his user name and *he asked admin to remove it*... but it wasn't removed. The even more funny(?) fact. As I linked to this forum topic (twice) in last night's discussion *the admin could see that other user saying it wasn't his and requesting to have it removed!!!* But still the only thing removed is user Runarsson's rights to use the forum. http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=63177hl=%2Bemerger+%2Bbuzzer I never had any complaints against the forum. FTF wasn't the one uploading. I just asked for help. I wish I had started my discussion on open forum instead, so people could have seen him refuse to remove my pic, seen who was the polite part of the conversation and finally seen him put an end to the conversation (and all my other FTF conversations) with a simple *Your done budbye, Welcome to USA* ... or maybe he wouldn't have in front of all the others. On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Scott Bearden scott.bear...@gmail.com wrote: Consider water marking your photos with your website or company name and copyright year. I was always told that in the world of flies you can copyright a fly by name but not really patent one. All it would take is someone to change one material or change the quantity or size in a material used. Tie it in another sequence, color, etc and the patent is useless. But your picture is your picture and the laws are a little more straight forward in regards to pictures. Watermark them so that if someone does link to your server as they have done in the past or outright download the images and then upload them somewhere else that there is at least a visual clue to the reader what is really going on. You are due fair credit for creation of those flies and there should be some ethics on the part of the forum in question in giving and ensuring due credit is given. Now if someone ties and photographs say an old but publicly known fly then the credit to the pattern should go to the originator and the credit for the photo (and tyer) should go to that individual. Please note that if you post pictures to social media (including said forum) that generally in the fine print you can find some legalese that claims ownership of everything you post including pictures. Some media companies scour social networks for original artwork to use in magazines, websites, etc. So be careful what you post online because unless you own the server there is a good chance that you don't own what you post there. And if set to publicly available, if may even be interpreted as public domain. I can tell you without a doubt that Facebook, twitter, etc all claim ownership over what you upload whether you delete it or not (they don't really delete anything, just hide it). I think we may find some humor and plenty of fodder for people seeking public office, especially 20 - 30 years from now when many people don't take what they post online very seriously. This is still the early days of social media. I will say that Facebook does provide provisions on how to handle theft of copyrighted material including words and photos, but you must prove that you are the rightful owner. Nobody but you can file a claim. YouTube has the same mechanisms and probably a few others. I
[VFB] Re: Fwd: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email] Birdie
Thanks guys. Thats everyone in the post or here. Be in touch soon Best regards Keith From: Neville Gosling Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 3:46 AM To: Virtual Box Fly Cc: KP Subject: Fwd: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email] Birdie Begin forwarded message: From: Reuven Segal beer...@gmail.com Subject: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email] Re: Birdie Date: July 26, 2015 at 7:36:24 PM PDT To: Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca Thanks. Heading to the post office now. R On 27/07/2015 12:41 PM, Neville Gosling wrote: Reuven Keith will be asleep now due time change so I will answer for him: M. Keith Passant Orvis Ltd. 80 High Street, Burford, Oxfordshire, OX184QF ENGLAND Cheers Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver BC Canada On Jul 26, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Reuven Segal beer...@gmail.com wrote: Hi: I responded last week so I apologise if it didn't get through. I have them completed and ready to go . I will send them through quick mail so they should be with you by end of week. What is your address? Regards, Reuven On 27/07/2015 7:35 AM, KP wrote: Good evening all, So far I have heard from everyone except Reuven. I received flies this week from Tony and Rene. As you can see below Don has posted his flies. Mike B also contacted me and asked for my address so I guess that Mikes fly is done too. If any news comes in from Reuven then we are close to being done and I can sort out the photograph and the frame. I just hope you guys are happy with the final result and it does justice to our gone but not forgotten friend. On the new state, town, house and veggie garden that's great news Don. Enjoy them all but keep the speed down doing it ok? Cheers folks On Saturday, 25 July 2015 14:38:39 UTC+1, Don Ordes wrote: Birdie fly-plate group, I mailed two flies out yesterday, with some $$ to help out. One fly is for Keith, gets to choose which. Once the final cost is realized, I’ll kick in the rest of my share, and send some more bugs. Been such a busy summer here- new house, new town, new state. First time veggie garden, first time swimming pool, first time large raft... had to register all of my personal watercraft since I’ll have a small trolling motor (at least) on all of them. (Weird... I can drink a cold beer on my Versa Vessel while paddling around with my flippers, but put a half-horse electric and motor around tool around at a whopping half-mile an hour, and suddenly I’m breaking the law, even if I’m not using the motor at the time.) DonO -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [VFB] sent to the Fly Tying Forum
I'm grateful for the support. However I would like it edited and leave the quote outside. He is not the person to burn on even more... 2015-07-28 22:28 GMT+02:00 Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca: -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [VFB] sent to the Fly Tying Forum
I have found user 'mickalo' on another forum, so I have now sent him a PM there (since I can't on FTF anymore). Have asked him to say something in the topic, not necessarily much different from what he have already said there... just to show that he *still* doesn't want to take credit for someone else's work (and at the same time, with the post give the topic a little extra time in the New Content list). On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Niclas (Gmail) n.runars...@gmail.com wrote: I'm grateful for the support. However I would like it edited and leave the quote outside. He is not the person to burn on even more... 2015-07-28 22:28 GMT+02:00 Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca: -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
