The worst thing is really what he did... not what he didn't do. IF I had had the contact information that "any other person" would have used for an email about something like this, I would have used it. But I didn't find it, so the only way was to log in and use a personal message. But it doesn't change it from being an "any other person" issue... During the 7 years I've been a member I have never said a bad word on that forum. But tired of a discussion he took the forum away for something I didn't even do as a member... just "any other person with a website". :(
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Niclas (Gmail) <[email protected]> wrote: > Rights to the fly was what he thought I meant from the start but then it > didn't matter how many times I pointed out that it was the rights to the > PICTURE... he just couldn't let go of his patent ID request. > Now I have that photo with a waterstamp on my page and am about to do the > same with the rest of the photos there. (This was just a part of the work > to clean out the other ones.) If THAT photo had been the one uploaded I > wouldn't have cared (and I told the admin that too)... and I even asked if > replacing was possible myself. > I also said that I still had the original photo, taken 2007, full > resolution, totally unedited/unresized/uncropped (including a bit of my > tying room wall) if he had any doubts. Did he care to ask me for it? No, he > still demanded a patent number. > > Funny fact... if you can call it 'funny': > When it was uploaded 2011, a forum topic started, with the picture and a > link to the pattern database (automatically generated I guess). The user > immediately posted and said that *he hadn't uploaded it*... someone must > have uploaded it with his user name and *he asked admin to remove it*... > but it wasn't removed. > The even more funny(?) fact. As I linked to this forum topic (twice) in > last night's discussion *the admin could see that other user saying it > wasn't his and requesting to have it removed!!!* But still the only thing > removed is user Runarsson's rights to use the forum. > > http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=63177&hl=%2Bemerger+%2Bbuzzer > > I never had any complaints against the forum. FTF wasn't the one > uploading. I just asked for help. I wish I had started my discussion on > open forum instead, so people could have seen him refuse to remove my pic, > seen who was the polite part of the conversation and finally seen him put > an end to the conversation (and all my other FTF conversations) with a > simple "*Your done bud....bye, Welcome to USA*" > > ... or maybe he wouldn't have in front of all the others. > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Scott Bearden <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Consider water marking your photos with your website or company name and >> copyright year. I was always told that in the world of flies you can >> copyright a fly by name but not really patent one. All it would take is >> someone to change one material or change the quantity or size in a material >> used. Tie it in another sequence, color, etc and the patent is useless. But >> your picture is your picture and the laws are a little more straight >> forward in regards to pictures. Watermark them so that if someone does link >> to your server as they have done in the past or outright download the >> images and then upload them somewhere else that there is at least a visual >> clue to the reader what is really going on. You are due fair credit for >> creation of those flies and there should be some ethics on the part of the >> forum in question in giving and ensuring due credit is given. Now if >> someone ties and photographs say an old but publicly known fly then the >> credit to the pattern should go to the originator and the credit for the >> photo (and tyer) should go to that individual. Please note that if you post >> pictures to social media (including said forum) that generally in the fine >> print you can find some legalese that claims ownership of everything you >> post including pictures. Some media companies scour social networks for >> original artwork to use in magazines, websites, etc. So be careful what you >> post online because unless you own the server there is a good chance that >> you don't own what you post there. And if set to publicly available, if may >> even be interpreted as public domain. I can tell you without a doubt that >> Facebook, twitter, etc all claim ownership over what you upload whether you >> delete it or not (they don't really delete anything, just hide it). I think >> we may find some humor and plenty of fodder for people seeking public >> office, especially 20 - 30 years from now when many people don't take what >> they post online very seriously. This is still the early days of social >> media. I will say that Facebook does provide provisions on how to handle >> theft of copyrighted material including words and photos, but you must >> prove that you are the rightful owner. Nobody but you can file a claim. >> YouTube has the same mechanisms and probably a few others. >> >> I once used the Chilipepper and a picture from Tony's vise of one he tied >> in a newsletter but I attributed both the pattern and photo to him. I think >> it is important to society to give credit where it is due. >> >> Scott >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:37 AM Neville Gosling <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Nick: >>> >>> There is strength in numbers and if it is indeed the flytyingforum.com >>> we could ask the VFB members individually to e-mail the administrator and >>> tell him as Wes suggests to “Cease & Desist” displaying your photograph >>> without your permission. I now place a copyright symbol on my photos >>> together with my name. They can still crop it out or photoshop it, but each >>> photo normally has metadata attached to it which should include the >>> original creation date and camera used. >>> >>> Neville (Nev) Gosling >>> >>> >>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Niclas (Gmail) <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Doesn't really matter now. I got banned for thinking that I still owned >>> the riights to my photo... :( >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Neville Gosling <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Nick: >>>> >>>> I’m guessing that you are referring to the flytyingforum.com that also >>>> has a fly pattern database that patterns may be uploaded to? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Neville (Nev) Gosling >>>> Greater Vancouver >>>> BC Canada >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Niclas (Gmail) <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So, guys - here's one for you... >>>> >>>> Background: >>>> I'm getting tired of people posting my flies and stating that they are >>>> their own. The more flies with different owners showing up in picture >>>> searchs makes the ownership of the material on my own website unclear. >>>> I know what copyright is about and until today I thought it was the >>>> same "over there" but on a certain discussion forum where you also can >>>> upload patterns to a pattern database I ran into a brick wall. The >>>> discussion with the administrator has been ridiculous But as an >>>> administrator I'd like to assume that he should have some knowledge about >>>> rules and laws... and since he's not bending one inch (and getting more and >>>> more rude), it's not that I start to wonder if I'm wrong myself. >>>> >>>> Someone else has used a photo (taken by myself) from my site and used >>>> it for uploading a pattern in the forum's pattern database. First he >>>> thought I meant that it was my pattern and he wanted to see a patent ID. I >>>> explained that the pattern was beside the point and that it was the picture >>>> that was the issue. I think I got that through. But he's still wants to see >>>> a patent ID to remove it "or stop wasting his time because I'm bringing up >>>> shit that noone but I even care about". >>>> >>>> Question: >>>> Is copyright different in US. 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