Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Michael Bliss]

I like the way they look on stones and some nymphs.  Not so much on the
midges.  I might have to try these for some stoneflies.

Mike

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:

> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
> Respectfully,
> -Pete
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
>> for me. Joyce
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
 usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
 the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
 This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
 dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
 after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.

 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
 wrote:

> Joyce,
> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best
> where do you get the sheets?
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
>> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
>> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
>> from
>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>> bit
>> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
>>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
>>> out as
>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
>>> USA, I
>>> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
>>> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>> added
>>> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
>>> had a
>>> positive impact.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a
>>> fly tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send 
>>> an
>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>>> them
>>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>>> results.
>>>
>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>>> are a
>>> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs 
>>> almost
>>> exclusively.
>>>
>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about
>>> the product,
>>> -Pete
>>>
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Joyce Westphal]

I have to see if it works first. It may not, may be too soft.  We throw lots of 
bags away and if it works I can send some. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Allan Fish  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/29/16 1:45 PM, Joyce Westphal wrote:
>> I am going to experiment with them cut from the plastic of Baxter IV bag 
>> material as well.
> But where would I get Baxter IV bag material?
> 
> 
> 
> Several places on ebay sell silicone sheets.  NOT cheap.
> 
> 
> af
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Allan Fish]

On 11/29/16 1:45 PM, Joyce Westphal wrote:
I am going to experiment with them cut from the plastic of Baxter IV 
bag material as well.

But where would I get Baxter IV bag material?



Several places on ebay sell silicone sheets.  NOT cheap.


af

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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Joyce Westphal]

No problem, no foul. I am just a cheapy. I am going to experiment with them cut 
from the plastic of Baxter IV bag material as well. Christmas orders must be 
finished first. Joyce

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
> 
> Apologies, I didn't mean for it to come out poorly, I meant no disrespect.  
> Only wanted to see if we were speaking of the same thing is all.  
> 
> I've used hopper legs from River Roads and have had great success with them, 
> when tied as hopper legs.  I think I'll give it a try for tying in foam, 
> short, to make nymph legs from them.  I'm always open to new ideas and I 
> admit I never would have thought of that had you not mentioned it.  
> 
> Ever learning, with plenty more yet to learn,
> -Pete
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:
>> I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to 
>> say that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all 
>>> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types? 
>>>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> -Pete
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal  
 wrote:
 I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August, 
 and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream 
 for me. Joyce
 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss  
> wrote:
> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the 
> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in 
> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
>> wrote:
>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking, 
>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for 
>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material. 
>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5 
>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work 
>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin 
>> Skin.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss  
>>> wrote:
>>> Joyce,
>>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where 
>>> do you get the sheets?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
 wrote:
 These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg 
 cutters that work extremely well here. 
 http://riverroadcreations.com/HopperLegs.htm J
 A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, 
 touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
 from Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to 
 add a bit more action in this form than simple knotted legs. 
 Thanks for the update. Joyce
  
 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp  
> wrote:
> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic 
> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
> out as nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock 
> J:Son) I personally find them easier to work with, and for me where 
> I'm located they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from 
> Pennsylvania, USA, I have to support folks from my own state haha.  
> Seriously though, no affiliation to them, save for being a 
> ridiculously happy customer, I absolutely love these things, and I 
> find the purple flake color to have increased my fish catching rates, 
> when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my added confidence in fishing 
> these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have had a positive impact.
> 
> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly 
> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send 
> an email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to 
> tying them up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think 
> you'll like the results.
> 
> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with 
> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
> are a game changer for my nymphs, and I now 

Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Pete Gramp]

Apologies, I didn't mean for it to come out poorly, I meant no disrespect.
Only wanted to see if we were speaking of the same thing is all.

I've used hopper legs from River Roads and have had great success with
them, when tied as hopper legs.  I think I'll give it a try for tying in
foam, short, to make nymph legs from them.  I'm always open to new ideas
and I admit I never would have thought of that had you not mentioned it.

Ever learning, with plenty more yet to learn,
-Pete


On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Joyce Westphal  wrote:

> I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to
> say that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>
> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
> Respectfully,
> -Pete
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
>> for me. Joyce
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
 usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
 the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
 This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
 dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
 after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.

 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
 wrote:

> Joyce,
> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best
> where do you get the sheets?
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
>> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
>> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
>> from
>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>> bit
>> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
>>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
>>> out as
>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
>>> USA, I
>>> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
>>> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>> added
>>> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
>>> had a
>>> positive impact.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a
>>> fly tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send 
>>> an
>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>>> them
>>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>>> results.
>>>
>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>>> are a
>>> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs 
>>> almost
>>> exclusively.
>>>
>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about
>>> the product,
>>> -Pete
>>>
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Joyce Westphal]

I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to say 
that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
> 
> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all due 
> respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?  
> http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
> Respectfully,
> -Pete
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal  wrote:
>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August, 
>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream for 
>> me. Joyce
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:
>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the 
>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in 
>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
 wrote:
 I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking, 
 usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for 
 the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material. 
 This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5 
 dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work 
 after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss  
> wrote:
> Joyce,
> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where 
> do you get the sheets?
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal  
>> wrote:
>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg cutters 
>> that work extremely well here. 
>> http://riverroadcreations.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color, touched 
>> up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from 
>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>> bit more action in this form than simple knotted legs. 
>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp  
>>> wrote:
>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic product 
>>> kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out as 
>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I 
>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located 
>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
>>> USA, I have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, 
>>> no affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I 
>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have 
>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>> added confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to 
>>> have had a positive impact.
>>> 
>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly 
>>> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an 
>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>>> them up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like 
>>> the results.
>>> 
>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with 
>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>>> are a game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these 
>>> legs almost exclusively.
>>> 
>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about the 
>>> product,
>>> -Pete
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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Pete Gramp]

These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
 http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
Respectfully,
-Pete

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal 
wrote:

> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
> for me. Joyce
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss 
> wrote:
>
>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
>>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
>>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
>>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
>>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
>>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Joyce,
 What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where
 do you get the sheets?

 Mike

 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
 wrote:

> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from
> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a bit
> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out 
>> as
>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, 
>> I
>> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
>> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>> added
>> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
>> had a
>> positive impact.
>>
>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly
>> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an
>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>> them
>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>> results.
>>
>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>> are a
>> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs 
>> almost
>> exclusively.
>>
>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about
>> the product,
>> -Pete
>>
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