Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-02 Thread Chuck Alexander
I wish thread companies would all go to the denier system. You're right. I 
can't hardly tie using Guderbrod 10/0, cause it's soo tiny, but I have no 
problems with the Griffin's 14/0. Something else that's weird (to me anyway) 
about Guderbrod. They STILL make TONS of thread (unless they JUST stopped)  My 
wife worked at the sewing factory near here and they use Guderbrod thread to 
make ALL the high dollar Jos A Bank  men's dress suits.

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  From: Anthony Spezio 
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  Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?


Not all the same numbers are the same size. For example, the Gudebrod 
10/0 was thinner that the 14/0, I think it was an Italian thread. U hear the 
10/0 us being exclusively made for Orvis. For me, it was the best thread I have 
tied with.
Tony

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  From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net
  Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 
or 3/0?
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:33 AM


   A quick question.  Thanks.
   
   How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? The link 
goes to a page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. Size A is 
supposed to be fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in diameter to 6/0 or 
3/0 tying thread?

  The word fine is what throws you off.  It's Fine for rod building 
thread.  But it's several times the diameter of 3/0 thread.

  Put in simple terms, it's much heavier than fly tying thread.   Well, 
maybe it's about the size of the Kevlar thread that's used for tying deer hair.

  I'm glad to see that we are starting to use actual measurements (70 
denier, 140 denier, etc.) instead of letters.  When we use thread designations 
of 3/0, 8/0, A, D, etc., we're still working in confusion like we were back in 
the days of  HGH designations for fly lines.

  a.
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  Greenwood, IN
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Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-02 Thread Anthony Spezio
They still make tons of thread but not all  for tying. My contact there said 
they did not have enough sales for Fly Tying thread is why they dropped the Pro 
staff and got out of tying materials . Tying thread is waxed, sewing thread is 
not waxed. They also make a load of  medical materials. Making thread for tyers 
was not economical. Money is the big thing. I have been told they are making 
tying thread for Orvis under contract.
The reason you can use 14/0 over 10/0 is the 14/0 is a heavier thread. You 
can't go by the number.
Tony

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:

From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net
Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 2:29 PM



 
 

I wish thread companies would all go to the denier 
system. You're right. I can't hardly tie using Guderbrod 10/0, cause it's soo 
tiny, but I have no problems with the Griffin's 14/0. Something else that's 
weird (to me anyway) about Guderbrod. They STILL make TONS of thread 
(unless they JUST stopped)  My wife worked at the sewing factory near here 
and they use Guderbrod thread to make ALL the high dollar Jos A Bank  men's 
dress suits.
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Anthony 
  Spezio 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:41 
PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread 
  compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?
  

  


  Not all the same numbers are the same size. For example, 
the Gudebrod 10/0 was thinner that the 14/0, I think it was an Italian 
thread. U hear the 10/0 us being exclusively made for Orvis. For me, it 
was the best thread I have tied with.
Tony

--- On Mon, 
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wrote:


From: 
  Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: 
  Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 
  6/0 or 3/0?
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 
  2010, 8:33 AM


   A quick question.  Thanks.
 
  
 How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? The 
  link goes to a page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. 
  Size A is supposed to be fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in 
  diameter to 6/0 or 3/0 tying thread?

The word fine is what 
  throws you off.  It's Fine for rod building thread.  But 
  it's several times the diameter of 3/0 thread.

Put in simple 
  terms, it's much heavier than fly tying thread.   Well, 
  maybe it's about the size of the Kevlar thread that's used for tying 
  deer hair.

I'm glad to see that we are starting to use actual 
  measurements (70 denier, 140 denier, etc.) instead of letters.  
  When we use thread designations of 3/0, 8/0, A, D, etc., we're still 
  working in confusion like we were back in the days of  HGH 
  designations for fly lines.

a.
-- Allan Fish
Greenwood, 
  IN
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Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-02 Thread Chuck Alexander
Yeah, money, money, money... Always the bottom line in business... And yeah, 
the 14/0 is heavier than the 10/0. The 14/0 feels about like my Danville 8/0 or 
6/0. Chuck

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  From: Anthony Spezio 
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  Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?


They still make tons of thread but not all  for tying. My contact there 
said they did not have enough sales for Fly Tying thread is why they dropped 
the Pro staff and got out of tying materials . Tying thread is waxed, sewing 
thread is not waxed. They also make a load of medical materials. Making thread 
for tyers was not economical. Money is the big thing. I have been told they are 
making tying thread for Orvis under contract.
The reason you can use 14/0 over 10/0 is the 14/0 is a heavier thread. 
You can't go by the number.
Tony

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote:


  From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net
  Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 
or 3/0?
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 2:29 PM


  I wish thread companies would all go to the denier system. You're 
right. I can't hardly tie using Guderbrod 10/0, cause it's soo tiny, but I have 
no problems with the Griffin's 14/0. Something else that's weird (to me anyway) 
about Guderbrod. They STILL make TONS of thread (unless they JUST stopped)  My 
wife worked at the sewing factory near here and they use Guderbrod thread to 
make ALL the high dollar Jos A Bank  men's dress suits.

- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Spezio 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 
or 3/0?


  Not all the same numbers are the same size. For example, the 
Gudebrod 10/0 was thinner that the 14/0, I think it was an Italian thread. U 
hear the 10/0 us being exclusively made for Orvis. For me, it was the best 
thread I have tied with.
  Tony

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From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter 
with 6/0 or 3/0?
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:33 AM


 A quick question.  Thanks.
 
 How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? 
The link goes to a page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. Size 
A is supposed to be fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in diameter to 
6/0 or 3/0 tying thread?

The word fine is what throws you off.  It's Fine for 
rod building thread.  But it's several times the diameter of 3/0 thread.

Put in simple terms, it's much heavier than fly tying 
thread.   Well, maybe it's about the size of the Kevlar thread that's used for 
tying deer hair.

I'm glad to see that we are starting to use actual 
measurements (70 denier, 140 denier, etc.) instead of letters.  When we use 
thread designations of 3/0, 8/0, A, D, etc., we're still working in confusion 
like we were back in the days of  HGH designations for fly lines.

a.
-- Allan Fish
Greenwood, IN
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Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-01 Thread Henk Verhaar
I think a 'Size A' is usually the next size up from 3/0; if I remember 
correctly, Danville's flat waxed nylon is size A. Standard rod wrapping thread 
is a size D I think.


On 1 Mar, 2010, at 15:33, Allan Fish wrote:

 A quick question.  Thanks.
 
 How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? The link goes to a 
 page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. Size A is supposed to 
 be fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in diameter to 6/0 or 3/0 tying 
 thread?
 
 The word fine is what throws you off.  It's Fine for rod building thread. 
  But it's several times the diameter of 3/0 thread.
 
 Put in simple terms, it's much heavier than fly tying thread.   Well, maybe 
 it's about the size of the Kevlar thread that's used for tying deer hair.
 
 I'm glad to see that we are starting to use actual measurements (70 denier, 
 140 denier, etc.) instead of letters.  When we use thread designations of 
 3/0, 8/0, A, D, etc., we're still working in confusion like we were back in 
 the days of  HGH designations for fly lines.
 
 a.
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 Greenwood, IN
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Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-01 Thread Anthony Spezio
Size D thread is used on Saltwater Boat rods, it is like Rope
Tony

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From: Henk Verhaar h...@stichtsend.xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:39 AM

I think a 'Size A' is usually the next size up from 3/0; if I remember 
correctly, Danville's flat waxed nylon is size A. Standard rod wrapping thread 
is a size D I think.


On 1 Mar, 2010, at 15:33, Allan Fish wrote:

 A quick question.  Thanks.
 
 How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? The link goes to a 
 page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. Size A is supposed to 
 be fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in diameter to 6/0 or 3/0 tying 
 thread?
 
 The word fine is what throws you off.  It's Fine for rod building 
 thread.  But it's several times the diameter of 3/0 thread.
 
 Put in simple terms, it's much heavier than fly tying thread.   Well, maybe 
 it's about the size of the Kevlar thread that's used for tying deer hair.
 
 I'm glad to see that we are starting to use actual measurements (70 denier, 
 140 denier, etc.) instead of letters.  When we use thread designations of 
 3/0, 8/0, A, D, etc., we're still working in confusion like we were back in 
 the days of  HGH designations for fly lines.
 
 a.
 -- 
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 Greenwood, IN
 afi...@sbcglobal.net
 
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Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-01 Thread Don Ordes
Wes,
I have a collections of hundreds of threads of all kinds for tying threads- 
standard threads, kevlars, spun gels, nylons, flat, wound, braided, waxed, 
unwaxed, rod-binding, millinery, monos, floss, you name it, from almost 
microscopic (for #32s) to 50# test Gorilla-braid (for marlin flies).

Because threads have more properties than just diameter, I find on many ties 
that it is easier/better to use multiple threads for different stages of the 
fly.  Like with the rope-dub, I may want to tie with a flat thread, but 
actually do the rope on wire or mono, then build the thorax with the flat 
thread that will tie in the legs easily, then swap to a head color to get the 
final look that I want. Just depends on the fly and materials used.

Many times I just want strength, and choosing a thread that has the strength I 
need and the other properties I want for the tie is a matter of trial and 
error.  One problem is that most of my threads no longer have any designations 
left on the spool, so I'm just guessing by looking at the properties what the 
stuff is.  I test the strength, look at how it lays down, and then use it if it 
works.  If I'm finishing a head, I look for a flat waxed thread of proper 
color, as it will build up more neatly.  Sometimes I use the light under-belly 
color and then use markers for the darker over-color.  I try to keep threads 
grouped by kinds, but that doesn't always work.

This year, orange seems to be moving in as the most popular color (did well 
last year)- probably all started by Tony and his Chili-pepper.  LOL  Orange 
(flourescent) hares ears, scuds, San Juans, emergers, buggers, streamers, and 
just about anything in orange or with orange accents.  So my orange thread will 
go on a lot of heads.

DonO
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  Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:20 PM
  Subject: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?


  A quick question.  Thanks.


  How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? The link goes to a 
page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. Size A is supposed to be 
fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in diameter to 6/0 or 3/0 tying 
thread?


  http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/fly-tying-thread/630607.aspx




  Wes Wada
  Bend, Oregon

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Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-01 Thread Anthony Spezio
Not all the same numbers are the same size. For example, the Gudebrod 10/0 was 
thinner that the 14/0, I think it was an Italian thread. U hear the 10/0 us 
being exclusively made for Orvis. For me, it was the best thread I have tied 
with.
Tony

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From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:33 AM

 A quick question.  Thanks.
 
 How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? The link goes to a 
 page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. Size A is supposed to 
 be fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in diameter to 6/0 or 3/0 tying 
 thread?

The word fine is what throws you off.  It's Fine for rod building thread.  
But it's several times the diameter of 3/0 thread.

Put in simple terms, it's much heavier than fly tying thread.   Well, maybe 
it's about the size of the Kevlar thread that's used for tying deer hair.

I'm glad to see that we are starting to use actual measurements (70 denier, 140 
denier, etc.) instead of letters.  When we use thread designations of 3/0, 8/0, 
A, D, etc., we're still working in confusion like we were back in the days of  
HGH designations for fly lines.

a.
-- Allan Fish
Greenwood, IN
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Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-01 Thread scott bearden
Chris Helm bought out the remaining stock of Gudebrod thread, but there are
not many colors and sizes left. Orvis' thread doesn't have the complete line
up of colors in every size. I had used Orvis thread before I knew much about
fly tying, in fact it was my first thread I started with. It was Tony that
introduced me to Gudebrod just as they shut things down. Recently I have
subjected Tony to much whining and complaining about finding a suitable
substitute. I think I have found a suitable replacement in Eurothreads
marketed by Hook and Hackle. The orange isn't as bright, but it is just as
thin and lays just as flat as my dwindling supply of Gudebrod. And I can get
it in 3/0 all the way to 12/0.

Scott

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 Not all the same numbers are the same size. For example, the Gudebrod 10/0
 was thinner that the 14/0, I think it was an Italian thread. U hear the 10/0
 us being exclusively made for Orvis. For me, it was the best thread I have
 tied with.
 Tony

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RE: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-03-01 Thread J Balmer
Most of the time these days, I tie w/ three colors; black, olive  white.
Mostly white. I use Prismcolor markers to get the color I need. W/ the
bobbin hanging from the hook, I run the outside of the wide end along the
thread to get the color I want. Also good for multiple colors.

 

J

 

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Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

 

Chris Helm bought out the remaining stock of Gudebrod thread, but there are
not many colors and sizes left. Orvis' thread doesn't have the complete line
up of colors in every size. I had used Orvis thread before I knew much about
fly tying, in fact it was my first thread I started with. It was Tony that
introduced me to Gudebrod just as they shut things down. Recently I have
subjected Tony to much whining and complaining about finding a suitable
substitute. I think I have found a suitable replacement in Eurothreads
marketed by Hook and Hackle. The orange isn't as bright, but it is just as
thin and lays just as flat as my dwindling supply of Gudebrod. And I can get
it in 3/0 all the way to 12/0.

 

Scott

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:


Not all the same numbers are the same size. For example, the Gudebrod 10/0
was thinner that the 14/0, I think it was an Italian thread. U hear the 10/0
us being exclusively made for Orvis. For me, it was the best thread I have
tied with.
Tony

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[VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?

2010-02-28 Thread Wes Wada
A quick question.  Thanks.

How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? The link goes to a
page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. Size A is supposed to
be fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in diameter to 6/0 or 3/0 tying
thread?

http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/fly-tying-thread/630607.aspx


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon

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