[videoblogging] When the FBI knocks on your door...
Hey guys, haven't had the time to actually sit down to make a vlog post about this yet; things have been really crazy for the past couple days. So... you know how people sometimes joke around about how the FBI probably has a file on them, well, I think I can be pretty certain at this point. Perhaps not for my political beliefs, but certainly as a potential witness in an investigation. This past Thursday, the FBI showed up at my house... seeing as the URL for my blog is http:// nogovernment.us -- when I see the badge, I'm hoping they're here about that Metallica CD I downloaded off Napster back in 1999... Nope, they want to talk about what I witnessed at the protest last week. What protest you ask? Well, last Friday there was a protest in San Francisco and during the protest an officer an officer ended up injured. I didn't witness the actual incident, so I won't discuss exactly what happened. But, my video was of interest to the FBI. How did the FBI come across my video? Well, they probably just found it when they turned on the local news as several local news stations decided it'd be fun to use my video without consulting me first about obtaining the rights. Fortunately, after sending a bill to all the stations that had been using my footage most have complied or settled for an amount I felt was reasonable. I hadn't heard back from the local FOX affiliate until tonight, but they just dropped me a note saying they're trying to figure out how to proceed... David: 3, Goliath: maybe 1! So, the great part of all of this is that we now have some seed money to prepare to launch for the not-for-profit, Rise Up! Network (RUN); soon to be 503(c), I helped to start the project a few months ago with a number of people including Renegade Rene and Michael Verdi as well as others. Zadi has also expressed some interest in making this happen. Anyhow was wondering if any of you are interested in hearing more and possibly getting involved in helping make this happen. Write to me for more details and check out this interview on SFist http://tinyurl.com/a3baq Josh PS - Videoblog entry about all this coming soon! http://thisrevolution.blogspot.com Don't hate the media, become the media.- Jello Biafra YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: reality check?
Hey all, Having been off-line for some time I missed all of this thread, and I suppose it is far too long already, but here is my take. Videoblogging is a medium, like paper. You can use the paper to write your personal journal, or you can write constitutions for countries on it. You can write with only the intended audience of yourself, or you can write on it and put it in a bottle and place it on the ocean. I like paper to be available to everyone. Someone will use it to draw nasty pictures of headless torsos, others will write songs where they hail Goebbels, others will write poems, or stories about imaginary worlds, or letters to their loved ones. Like paper, videoblogging should be available to all. Like paper, I don't think you should need to pass a test of being entertaining, interesting or engaging to use this medium. Reality check - there are all kinds of realities. My reality here in Northern Norway is very different from your reality in Texas, USA. Three guys make video for three different reasons. They have different expectations, different intended audiences, and I must say I disagree with the notion that If you publish it online you Want as many people to view it as possible. I didn't get in on the Wired story because I didn't reply to the friendly journalist, and I feel happy about that. But then just a few days ago a Norwegian site gave a link to my site along with their review of vlogmap.org, and on came some of those lame 14-year olds and one went This site is stupid; where are your videos?. I didn't intend for dltq.blogs.com (and now dltq.org) to be Too easily accessible. Yes, that is elitist thinking, and I am improving from this condition of thinking. (But it does lead to less vlog entries from me) I guess I belong to both group 1) and 2) according to Kontras' distinction. I am both experimenting with the medium and also I am involved in trying to spread the word. I want my personal soapbox with content for my 'ten friends', and I also want to give some general statements meant for a wider audience. Leslie brought up an important question, but as several people have pointed out: Our material doesn't need to be seen as attempts of making TV. Who is to say that our content is to be entertaining? Is entertainment the highest we can get? The flame war on this mailing list is unfortunate, and did leave a few loose feathers, but personally I liked it. I hope people get past the negativity and acknowledge that we do things for a lot of different reasons. It was unfortunate that Adam saw this videoblogging list as a group he doesn't want to like, but as he wrote here (http://www.4tvs.com/Journey/yearsix/entries/J436-070705.html), he sure managed to alienate himself. For those of you who feel bad about him leaving as a result of this flame-war; he was planning that all along, and he wanted to ruffle a few feathers first. Congratulations. *** Let a thousand vlogospheres bloom. We don't need to be on one mailing list all of us. Let's explore the opportunities, and see what we can do with this fancy new paper of ours. Best regards, Raymond - goes and makes a paper airplane now and throws it over the Atlantic. Dang, it falls short. On 7/15/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is on a journey. This group at one stage appeared to be a possible important road on this journey, but at some stage it became clear that some of the videoblogging ethos was totally counter to his personal journey. Its understandable that a professional entertainer seeking a suitable place in the world is going to see things differently to the grassroot massroots potential that many videobloggers get excited about. Some people can handle being in a group when their feelings are in the minority, some cant. E L Woody springs to mind as another person used to a career/pro divide, us and them, the watcher and the gifted creator, who didnt give or receive the best vibes here. Is this a pattern? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Money Changers, out! (was: reality check?)
At the same time, I've had conversations with corporate people about vlogs that ultimately revolve around one thing: MONEY. how can we milk this sucker. We can't generalize that everyone who works in coorporations has $$ as their first priority, but the way coorporations are set up (both financially and in the way people are rewarded) does make it so that that's often the case. (I am not refering to you Deirdre :) This is reflected in their language (eyeballs anyone?), and their thinking (Apple knows as well as MSN how to play the lock-in game.). Especially with a new and hot space like videoblogging, I think we, as a group of creators/consumers *should* be very wary of the bigCo's. We'd be stupid not to - and we'd be forgetting history. What's more, these are important times. The seeds we plant, the examples we set, will partly shape the world of consumer-created media in 10 or 50 years. Don't underestimate that. Stick to your values. Peter, who is not an eyeball. http://mefeedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Locking the Video Screen for Rights Protection
http://tinyurl.com/apym2 From Engadget: A lifetime of computing has taught me one thing: shortly after a new operating system hits the shelves, I end up upgrading my computer. Oh sure I do my best to limp along with the antiquated hardware. After all, my computer is always well within the minimum specs. However, despite my best efforts, the story always unfolds the same way: I begin to crave the speed. I drool over the new features. I want the latest and greatest. In short, I fold like a cheap suit, and I upgrade. The one bright spot in the upgrade process has always been the monitor. Like the North Star, the monitor is always there to ease the transition. I look to it for comfort, and it stares back at me as if to say, It's OK, Buddy; I'm here for you. You'll always have me. Sure, monitors can get a big dated (think dirty beige 14-inch CRT), but when have you had to upgrade your monitor to avoid functional problems in the new OS? That all changes with Longhorn. Why? With Longhorn, Microsoft will begin pushing opium. Well, technically it's OPM. However, opium might be a good option for those livid that the video content being sent to their pristine 24-inch Dell LCD monitors is purposefully being fuzzied (more on that later). So what is OPM? The successor to Microsoft's rarely-mentioned COPP (Certified Output Protection Protocol), PVP-OPM (Protected Video Path Output Protection Management) is the first play in Microsoft's game plan to ensure that protected content stays protected. PVP-OPM performs two main functions. First, it detects the capabilities of the display devices attached to the computer. For instance, does the DVI LCD monitor that you're using have HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection)? Second, it manages what, if anything, gets sent to those devices. If you're one of those rare people whose display is equipped with HDCP, you're fine. However, in the world of computers, those users are few and far between. While HDCP has become the de facto standard for display copy-protection in televisions, its penetration in the computer display market would be pleased to merely be called anemic. Whether you're plunking down money for one of the new ultra-fast LCD displays with 4ms response times or you're becoming the envy of neighborhood with Dell's UltraSharp 2405FPW widescreen display, you're buying a monitor that won't play nice with premium content in Longhorn. So what will happen when you try to play premium content on your incompatible monitor? If you're lucky, the content will go through a resolution constrictor. The purpose of this constrictor is to down-sample high-resolution content to below a certain number of pixels. The newly down-sampled content is then blown back up to match the resolution of your monitor. This is much like when you shrink a JPEG and then zoom into it. Much of the clarity is lost. The result is a picture far fuzzier than it need be. That's LUCKY? It sure is when the alternative is a black screen. If OPM determines that your monitor falls below the security restrictions (i.e. isn't DVI or HDMI w/HDCP), you could be greeted with a polite message explaining that [your monitor] doesn't meet security requirements. Who determines when you get the restrictor and when you get the black screen? You guessed it: the content owner does. But I use VGA with my monitor, you say. Too bad. Unless you upgrade your monitor, you too will be hoping your content provider opted for the blurry-but-visible protection mechanism. Microsoft is quick to point out that many content providers have agreed to not totally block all analog displays. Instead they have agreed to compromise and allow the constricted (down-sampled) versions to pass through. Still this is a far cry from enjoying the unmolested goodness of hi-def content. To be fair it's not just Microsoft. The next generation of digital content will, by and large, be protected to the display. Recently Toshiba released their HD-DVD specifications and have dictated HDMI/HDCP as a display requirement for playing back high-definition content. Most expect Blu-ray to have similar restrictions. What makes the PC situation so insidious is that nearly every monitor being sold today will fall victim to this gotcha. Blame whomever you like (the monitor manufacturers should shoulder their portion of the blame too), just be careful when buying a monitor these days. Or at least know that you could be setting yourself up for disappointment. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videoblogging is reaching out
please dear jesus don't give them feedback on how to fix their feed they own everything already they have feeds it's called fox news am i wrong? i know i know good to have a diverse conversation happening wtf no. On 7/15/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've been looking for a way to give them feedback to fix their RSS feed all day. All I can find are ways to give them money or volunteer with my local chapter. Don't they have a webmaster contact? -josh On 7/15/05, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to access the files linked directly and I get a 404 error. -Verdi On Jul 15, 2005, at 8:02 PM, ro9core wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: look who has a feed: http://www.gop.com/podcast/vid/PodCast.xml the videos dont work on my machine...but check it out. its good that the conversation is getting bigger. finally people who *get it* and of course as i always knew its that constituency that is the best and the boldest, leading us into the future with eyes wide open and largesse due to wisdom granted from the nethers sincerely gop.com you have a bad mimetype on your enclosures and perhaps this be the reason poor jay cant be illuminated Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- ~Ryanne Hodson~ Start a Free Videoblog...Right Now freevlog.org -- -transcending traditional media- http://ryanedit.blogspot.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Videoblogging is reaching out
LOL their feeds are fox news --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please dear jesus don't give them feedback on how to fix their feed they own everything already they have feeds it's called fox news am i wrong? i know i know good to have a diverse conversation happening wtf no. On 7/15/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've been looking for a way to give them feedback to fix their RSS feed all day. All I can find are ways to give them money or volunteer with my local chapter. Don't they have a webmaster contact? -josh On 7/15/05, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to access the files linked directly and I get a 404 error. -Verdi On Jul 15, 2005, at 8:02 PM, ro9core wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: look who has a feed: http://www.gop.com/podcast/vid/PodCast.xml the videos dont work on my machine...but check it out. its good that the conversation is getting bigger. finally people who *get it* and of course as i always knew its that constituency that is the best and the boldest, leading us into the future with eyes wide open and largesse due to wisdom granted from the nethers sincerely gop.com you have a bad mimetype on your enclosures and perhaps this be the reason poor jay cant be illuminated Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- ~Ryanne Hodson~ Start a Free Videoblog...Right Now freevlog.org -- -transcending traditional media- http://ryanedit.blogspot.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging is reaching out
they'll be typcial sarcasm here... about this... where some will complain if they do get in this game and if they dont. balance is the way. dont let hatred, hype, spin and rhetoric lead you. you decide for yourself. research. and above all else, let all messages come through this medium. more proof of it's viability in this era. *Note: this was not a partisan comment ;-) sull On 7/15/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: look who has a feed:http://www.gop.com/podcast/vid/PodCast.xmlthe videos dont work on my machine...but check it out.its good that the conversation is getting bigger. jay--URL: http://www.momentshowing.netAdventures in VideobloggingYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -http://vlogdir.com -is- The Videoblog Directoryhttp://interdigitate.com -is- my personal site YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] hosting your own vlog info
Hi Adam Depends on what format you want to stream. If WMP then you are looking at a windows server and an admin to plug the holes and attacks. Flash is emerging as the smallest file size versus quality and the easiest to stream using a FLash Communications Server Look at www.ez2stream.com and www.flvhosting.com (coming soon) and a ton of info at www.flashvideostream.com www.videospark.com Ez2stream lets you create a vlog using a webcam and mic so you can literally have your own show or flashvideostream has some other delivery systems that cost about $14 a month To host your own stuff on a linux server you are looking at $500 a month but hey then you can resell and cover your costs for your own vlog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So when does it become feasible to host your own shit? On 7/13/05, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Peters wrote: I can half answer this question as I was once in the business of selling bandwidth : Here are some typical expenses that a large company would incur in attempting to sell bandwidth -The physical cost of laying the lines is huge. Lets say it cost you a billion dollars total to lay a line between two cities. This included the cost of permits, equipment rental, manpower, accounting, HR expenses to manage the manpower, business licenses, lawyers, accountants, and everything else in the supply chain. If you have just one customer you are going to have to charge them over a billion dollars over some set ammortization period to make a penny off it. This initial capital expenditure is probably the hugest part of the cost. So you have a million customers? They are still going to have to pay $1000 over some set ammortization period to make a penny off it. -But the initial costs are not all there are. We have to consider the cost of maintaining such a connection. Here are just some more of the costs involved : -Equipment failure : you must account in your pricing structure for the failure of fans, hard drives, processors etc and make sure you charge your customers enough that when your equipment does need an upgrade that you dont' have to go to the bank again. -Monitoring : Most ISPs have huge uptime guarantees. This means having technicians available within 10 seconds to fix the problem 24/7. These techs usually cost upward of $50 - $100 / hour and you are paying them whether or not your equipment is broken because you can't afford a 20 minute delay for them to drive from their house to whereever the broken equipment is. -Upgrades : So your network started with 1000 10megabit routers. Now we have to upgrade 1000 routers to 100 megabit without causing our customers an inconvenience or downtime. And now we have so much traffic we have to upgrade to 1 gigabit routers. And now we have so much traffic we have to put those 1 gigabit routers in parallel to handle it. And now that we've got that much traffic we need to add some fiber optic lines to handle it. And since those routers use a special command language that even uber geeks like me don't understand, you have to hire special techs for more than $100 / hour to configure them and then be available 24/7 to fix them if anything happens. All these upgrades also have to be ammortized over about 5-10 years and included in our pricing to ensure we dont' need additional loans everytime our equipment needs to be changed. -Operating costs : Now that we have the biggest best network in the world we need to hire a sales staff to get the word out and they are probably going to take up 30 - 50% of our annual budget trying to get us some customers. Then we need to have a nice big secure warehouse to house that equipment and secure warehouses don't come cheap. Then we need to pay for electricity for those 1000 routers and computers and all the powered relays every couple of kilometers to maintain signal strength and integrity. Then we have to pay office staff and record keepers and support technicians to handle dumb end users who can't figure out how to plug in an ethernet cord. Support staff are probably going to chew up an additional 30% of your yearly budget. -Profit : We can't forget that this is a public company and the shareholders didn't invest to only pull out $0.01 of profit per share per year. They want dividends and they want them to be big. They also want to see that the company is pulling more than a 2% profit margin. This means whatever the actual costs are they are going to be driven up by the need to make a profit and pay big bucks to the CEO and all the shareholders. I know I have missed a tonne of other expenses but I hope this gives at least some idea of why bandwidth cost money. -- Nathan
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VlogMap Cluster Issue
petertheman wrote: As a first step, the mefeedia directory is available as OPML: http://mefeedia.com/feeds/opml.xml The goal is this: now, a new vlogger has to add their URL to like 5 services. We want it so that if you add it to 1 service, the others also pick it up :) Easy peasy. [techie talk] And that's just a first babystep in sharing data and building an ecology of tools. This is our only chance to stand up against the giants like Apple and MS, who *are* acting like evil coorporations by creating their own data formats that they try to control. If we don't work together on this, videoblogging data *will* be controlled by the iTunes' of this world. (I love iTunes, but Jobs is clearly not being very open and wants to control the space.) Peter Actually, this particular instance, Microsoft is being much more open then Apple. Strange. However, I do agree. The key is sharing data. We need to develop a multi-master replication system that will disseminate directory information across all the tools we are developing. It's a hard problem to solve, but it's definitely the only way we are going to be able to compete against the big guys. I'm on-board. Where are we discussing this? Clint YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: When the FBI knocks on your door...
The stringer rate varies by market... I live in San Francisco which I believe is ranked 5th or 6th in the country so it's probably one of the better markets for stringer footage. Here in SF the local stations pay between $150-165 for stringer footage... If you call a local station and talk to them for a while, it should be easy to get them to tell you what they pay for stringer footage and chances are all the stations in that area pay the same or within a few dollars. Josh On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Jan wrote: So, Josh, how did you learn the stringer rate and would you be so kind as to share the info? Jan -- It isn't done alone. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: When the FBI knocks on your door... I don't know whether the letter I sent to them really belongs in a files section as certain elements of my e-mail are not part of the most ideal approach in all circumstances, but here it is as a starting point... the real trick is finding out who the news director is and sending it directly to her or him. Josh My name is Josh Wolf and it's come to my attention that your station has apparently been making use of footage regarding the San Francisco protest that was shot by me and most likely obtained through the Indybay website. As I do not have a TV, I can not personally verify that your station has been using my footage, but have heard this from numerous sources, and I have a friend with video from the broadcasts so I will be able verify this for myself. If for some reason any sort of misunderstanding has occured and you have not been making use of my footage, I'm sorry for sending such a strong e- mail but feel the need to protect myself. I own the copyright on the material which is licensed under a Creative Commons license (http:// creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/deed.en_GB). The link to the video on Indybay has a link to both my website and my e-mail address. Based on this information, it would not have been difficult for your news department to contact me about obtaining permission to utilize my footage. My footage has apparently been utilized in numerous newscasts following Friday's event. As * is clearly a commercial entity, *and* you have not provided any sort of attribution to the source of the footage, your station is clearly violating my copyright and I'm less than happy about this turn of events. Furthermore, when I sold selected portions of my video to KRON as a stringer, I did so while granting them exclusive rights to use that footage. By your station using my footage without contacting me beforehand, you have also jeopardized my professional relationship with KRON and I do not enjoy being in a position where a professional news agency has any reason to feel that I've been dishonest with them. I'm well aware of what the going rate is for stringer footage amongst the local news in this area; however, in that situation a stringer has the opportunity to decide whether or not they want to sell their footage at the going rate. As your station neglected to contact me prior to using my footage on the air, I am not in a position to make the decision whether or not to sell my footage to you at the standard stringer rate. This situation, coupled with the fact that your station has chosen to use my footage repeatedly indicates that this is valuable footage and I've decided to provide an invoice for your use of my footage at a significantly higher rate and I fully expect your station to comply with the attached invoice. In the event, that I do not hear back from you soon, I will resume discussion with my legal counsel and exercise any and all connections I've made as an independent media producer to bring light to this issue. I do realize that you are not the only station that has neglected to follow appropriate procedures before using my footage and any other guilty stations that I've come across are receiving a similar letter. Thanks for your time and understanding, please let me know if you'll need a W9 for tax purposes. Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] (805)895-9220 PS -- here are the links to the video on Indybay http://indybay.org/news/2005/07/1751759.php http://indybay.org/news/2005/07/1751763.php You know it might not be a bad idea to have an example of the letter/email you sent saved in the Files section here in case others find themselves in a similar situation. Don't hate the media, become the media.- Jello Biafra Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Cocky Introduction
Yo Halcyon, No enclosures in your feedburner feed for spreading the pink. You gotta have those. That's how you distribute media files over RSS. - Check http://freevlog.org step #7. - Make sure you enable SmartCast option in FeedBurner (careful, this is different than SmartFeed even though they sound similar) - Its likely that you're experiencing a well documented problem with FeedBurner and WMV files. You're in luck because I wrote a tutorial on how to fix this problem, and its really easy. Check that tutorial out here: http://www.videoblogging.info/archives/wmv-feedburner/ Word, Josh On 7/16/05, Halcyon Lujah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/15/05, Nathan Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome. I've never heard of you before but that was an awesome site. Do you have a feedburner feed for cockybastard or only for spreading the pink? I want to subscribe. Thank you! CockyBastard has evolved into more of a hub for all my projects. The only ones with feeds currently are my vblog, an audio blog I do with my grandpa, and 2 adult ones: Spreading The Pink - vblog ::: http://feeds.feedburner.com/SpreadThePink HugNation.com (with GrandpaCaleb.com) ::: http://feeds.feedburner.com/HugNation Pinkgasm - my personal loveporn project ::: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PINKGASM FlufferSmut - porn blog ::: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Fluffersmut -Halcyon Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet access Individual Fireant Introduce yourself Browse YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!
Charles, I am as much confused by this post as I am by the cluetrain website... You wrote: The corporate culture is smarmy. It's press releases written in impenetrable jargon And then, you wrote: None of them are screwball idealists dreaming of a breatharian diet. What they and I are against is the plastic scent of institutional alienation. Is that the new clear? I checked out cluetrain.com, and maybe it is me, but for a site about clear communication I am not exactly sure what they are attempting to convey. Most everything seems a bit obvious or non-sensical. The site derides corporations for talking down to people then lists 95 (IMO: mostly obvious and/or redundant statements -- okay, in honesty I only made it through 45 before I got bored) things such as: The Internet is enabling conversations among human beings that were simply not possible in the era of mass media. If, as you said: The users are demanding it with their feet and dollars. Then, trust me, the corporations will follow. That's the beauty of our system and shows that it works. Anyway, as you stated: corporate culture is hopelessly, cravenly conformist Which I agree with. So there isn't anything to be upset about. It'll always conform to the will of the people. I think someone previously mentioned an amorphous revolution -- the overthrow of nothing. I am not trying to stir up trouble, but I am honestly not sure what I am missing here. -David From: Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out! Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:40:50 -0400 Deirdre Straughan wrote: Call off your old, tired labels. Speaking as a suit (I even wear one, sometimes) and a certified MBA, can we please dump the old corporate = evil equation? After all, many human beings are employed by - hello! - corporations I am distinguishing corporate culture from the quest for profit. The corporate culture is smarmy. It's press releases written in impenetrable jargon, advertisements that are laughably campy, and all the pomp and circumstance that corporations throw up exactly to HIDE the fact that they are filled with human beings. And the customers are getting sick of it. What's more, I predict that the honest, open businesses are going to drive out the old school. The users are demanding it with their feet and dollars. Take a look at the Cluetrain Manifesto at http://www.cluetrain.com/. With the internet, it's impossible to avoid a bad reputation. And corporate culture is hopelessly, cravenly conformist, and just as many in the NYC financial community started to wear khakis because khaki-wearing geeks were making money, they will faddishly adopt this too. (Can they succeed? Adapt or die. But you can't fake the funk. This is a topic for a different thread.) But if you remain in the old ways without a clue, you'd better count every dollar you make because they're all numbered like barrels of oil from here on out. The people on this list are not against making money. None of them are screwball idealists dreaming of a breatharian diet. What they and I are against is the plastic scent of institutional alienation. charles.hope.vcf YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!
David Yirchott wrote: Which I agree with. So there isn't anything to be upset about. It'll always conform to the will of the people. I think someone previously mentioned an amorphous revolution -- the overthrow of nothing. I am not trying to stir up trouble, but I am honestly not sure what I am missing here. The Cluetrain people blew their content up to 95 Theses to mirror what Luther nailed to that church door a while back. I'm not sure I agree with that specific gimmick. You might find the Hughtrain Manifesto http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/000823.html more accessible. You seem to understand and agree with everything I'm saying, but then express confusion. I'm not sure I know where the disconnect or dispute is. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Charles HOPE n:HOPE;Charles org:Pokkari adr;dom:;;;Brooklyn;NY email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Partner / Developer note:http://www.blip.tv x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.pokkari.tv version:2.1 end:vcard
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Frank said: However, in reality, it's often much simpler (i.e more profitable) for an organization to adapt public opinion to suit its needs, rather than adapting the organization to meet the whims of the public. True, but as long as both needs meet up in the end, both sides are happy. If not a little deluded. :) -David From: Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out! Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:46:30 +0100 Saturday, July 16, 2005, 7:53:12 PM, David Yirchott wrote: Some interesting thoughts, most of which I can see the sense of, but one bit worried me: Anyway, as you stated: corporate culture is hopelessly, cravenly conformist Which I agree with. So there isn't anything to be upset about. It'll always conform to the will of the people. I think this is how it works _in theory_. After all, t's the basis of the capitalism = democracy argument. However, in reality, it's often much simpler (i.e more profitable) for an organization to adapt public opinion to suit its needs, rather than adapting the organization to meet the whims of the public. When was the last time you saw an advertisment that just told you the raw details of a product or service instead of trying to make you want something? -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On 7/16/05, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, in reality, it's often much simpler (i.e more profitable) for an organization to adapt public opinion to suit its needs, rather than adapting the organization to meet the whims of the public. Actually, that's not so simple. First you have to spend a couple of generations gutting (or never building) your education system, so that people educated in public schools are as close as possible to mindless sheep. THEN you can mold their opinions to suit your needs. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.straughan.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Deirdre Straughan wrote: On 7/16/05, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's more, I predict that the honest, open businesses are going to drive out the old school. The users are demanding it with their feet and dollars. Take a look at the Cluetrain Manifesto at http://www.cluetrain.com/. Been there, been that. http://www.straughan.com/whatido/onlinemarketing.html How fascinating to participate in a flamewar where all the combatants agree. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Charles HOPE n:HOPE;Charles org:Pokkari adr;dom:;;;Brooklyn;NY email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Partner / Developer note:http://www.blip.tv x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.pokkari.tv version:2.1 end:vcard
