[videoblogging] Re: Freshtopia
No! Not Oscar! He's awesome! He's in my thoughts as well... great guy that he is. Lots of love, Casey --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case you hadn't heard Oscar from Freshtopia is in the hospital: http://freshtopia.net/vlog/?p=109 Starting last Thursday, Feb 22nd, Freshtopia has had to take an unexpected hiatus. Our esteemed and amazing Co-Creator and Director, Oscar Grimm, was suddenly hospitalized. A mass was found in his brain and it has now been diagnosed as cancer. He was operated on today and everything is looking positive. We hope that you will all keep him in your thoughts over the next few weeks as he starts chemotherapy and radiation treatment. Also feel free to send messages wishing him the best. . .we'll be sure to pass it along. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Freshtopia
oh no, where can we visit him? On 3/4/07, casey.mckinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No! Not Oscar! He's awesome! He's in my thoughts as well... great guy that he is. Lots of love, Casey --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case you hadn't heard Oscar from Freshtopia is in the hospital: http://freshtopia.net/vlog/?p=109 Starting last Thursday, Feb 22nd, Freshtopia has had to take an unexpected hiatus. Our esteemed and amazing Co-Creator and Director, Oscar Grimm, was suddenly hospitalized. A mass was found in his brain and it has now been diagnosed as cancer. He was operated on today and everything is looking positive. We hope that you will all keep him in your thoughts over the next few weeks as he starts chemotherapy and radiation treatment. Also feel free to send messages wishing him the best. . .we'll be sure to pass it along. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re:$100 video camera
even though I have a jvc camera, I carry my hasbro vcam for ages six to fifty seven. I have added an sd card to it. here is a video I did for my chinese friend harry in hunan province. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZmlkXRgjE0_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZmlkXRgjE0) I love the size of it as it fits into my pocket. I have bought mine on ebay never paying more than 35 dollars. It's not good in low light but I still think it kicks ass. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Blip Down?
Is Blip down? Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Blip Down?
seems like it is first for everything On 3/4/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Blip down? Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: The Case Against Advertising in Net Video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for stating that Enric. I don't think much of anything is inherently evil. Life is about context, and in that sense, anything is possible. It is in the specifics that we find ourselves making choices. I see so much opportunity for formerly disparate groups of people to reinvent business relationships, as I hope was obvious from my comments. R Advertising isn't evil in and of itself. It definitely can be used for evil or have evil intentions, such as getting the public to desire to buy a car when tests have indicated that the airbags don't work properly or the tires are prone to uncommonly high failure rates or you know the car tips over if you change directions at high speed. That's choosing your $$$ over what's right or over the safety of people that you don't know and will never meet and will never even know existed unless they end up as a statistic in the news because of you. On 3/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my response on the blog comments: Since some on here and the videoblogging group have the view that advertising is evil. I want to state I don't share that philosophy. Advertising is essential in informing on the talent and capability one wants to exchange with someone else's products of talent. Sure. By pure definition, advertising is business. Making people aware of something in the hopes of achieving a particular outcome. Neither evil nor good is automatically attached. I think the point was more that advertising has a goal and that goal has nothing to do with the truth. That's why you see all this dirty tricks campaigning during election times. Isn't it 'funny' how the dirt all comes out near the elections? How is it that this person has been doing this job for 3 1/2 years and you never found out that he dodged the draft, but NOW it's all over the media? :) That's effectively TWO lies. The lie of bringing it up NOW as if it's news, and the lie of omission of having not said anything about it until now. Meanwhile, advertising could have the goal of making you aware that you shouldn't litter or that you should know where your kids are @ 10pm or announce the availability of battered women's shelters and services. Or, it could bring something very important to light, changing the landscape of the American trailer park population forever like the FLOWBEE! http://www.flowbee.com/ It can be missused and my point is that putting ads in the main video stream is mainly a missuse. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com I agree to the degree that at this point, there's no definite context available for in-line advertising. You get whatever the computer serves, like google ads. The way around this is to choose the ads yourself and incorporate them in a way that you feel is palatable for the viewers that you care about. Wreck Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com/ would be an example of this. They have their own process of determining who the sponsor is going to be for this week and they have their own process of integrating the information about the advertiser into their show that makes it clearly a part OF the show instead of something tacked on by someone hoping to exploit the fact that your eyes are on the computer screen right now. Philosophically, I'm trying to sell you something now is a departure from the vibe of whatever the video you made was really trying to say. The only way it isn't is if your sponsor or advertiser happens to have an ad that is in sync with what your video was about. It takes the viewer from being immersed in the show (if they ever were in the first place) to the mental understanding that you see them watching your video, and you've chosen to inform them that such-and-such movie is in the theaters right now. The question becomes why did he/she tell me that?, and the answer is in the hopes that I click on it, in the hopes that they get paid for it. Now, the viewer's concentrating on the fact that you just advertised to them instead of whatever the focus of your video was. Of course, it's even worse if you actually know what you're doing with video and end it in a way that's intended to leave the viewer with a certain feeling about what they just watched, and then this video SLAMS onto the screen and just sits there going click me! :D click me! :D. Unfortunately, I think it's even worse to have ads moving and changing WHILE the video's running. Personally, I don't watch television like that and I don't want to watch videos on the internet like that either. There are many other people though that watch television under similar circumstances. They have their TV next to an open window where they have cars passing by or neighbors. They have radios next to the TV with flashing LEDs for the equalizer display. They have a TV in every room and leave them on to the effect of the sound from one
Re: [videoblogging] Blip Down?
Checked a couple movies from different sites, and yes, seems like none of 'em are coming through. Jan On 3/4/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Blip down? Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Blip Down?
Sure does make a vlog look empty with no video or graphics. :) But, I'm very confident that Michael and the whole Blip.tv team are working feverishly to make things right. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net (But there's nothing much to see, right this minute) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Checked a couple movies from different sites, and yes, seems like none of 'em are coming through. Jan On 3/4/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Blip down? Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Blip Down?
I sent notes to the users group and support. J On 3/4/07, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure does make a vlog look empty with no video or graphics. :) But, I'm very confident that Michael and the whole Blip.tv team are working feverishly to make things right. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net (But there's nothing much to see, right this minute) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Checked a couple movies from different sites, and yes, seems like none of 'em are coming through. Jan On 3/4/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Blip down? Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Blip Down?
blip.tv's back online. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent notes to the users group and support. J On 3/4/07, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure does make a vlog look empty with no video or graphics. :) But, I'm very confident that Michael and the whole Blip.tv team are working feverishly to make things right. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net (But there's nothing much to see, right this minute) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Checked a couple movies from different sites, and yes, seems like none of 'em are coming through. Jan On 3/4/07, Ron Watson k9disc@ wrote: Is Blip down? Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Blip Down?
Guys, sorry about that! We had a problem in the overnight hours. I've posted about it to the blog: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/2007/03/04/a-service-blip/ Basically, we had a problem with DNS. It was an inconsistent problem, and started becoming a problem in the middle of the night. We've fixed it and everything should be back to normal now. We're changing some settings to help prevent this same thing from happening in the future, and we're also looking very seriously at the idea of outsourcing our DNS operation as a whole to people who do nothing but DNS. If you'd like to discuss this, yell at me, find out exactly what's going on or learn what SOA stands for, give me a ring at 646-827-9773. I'd be happy to listen or to talk, whatever you like. Yours, Mike Co-founder CEO, blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blip.tv's back online. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: I sent notes to the users group and support. J On 3/4/07, Mike Moon mgmoon@ wrote: Sure does make a vlog look empty with no video or graphics. :) But, I'm very confident that Michael and the whole Blip.tv team are working feverishly to make things right. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net (But there's nothing much to see, right this minute) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Checked a couple movies from different sites, and yes, seems like none of 'em are coming through. Jan On 3/4/07, Ron Watson k9disc@ wrote: Is Blip down? Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: The Case Against Advertising in Net Video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for stating that Enric. I don't think much of anything is inherently evil. Life is about context, and in that sense, anything is possible. It is in the specifics that we find ourselves making choices. I see so much opportunity for formerly disparate groups of people to reinvent business relationships, as I hope was obvious from my comments. R I agree. It's the reinvention and reconsidering of the traditional media models in areas like advertising that I think has value. -- Enric On 3/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my response on the blog comments: Since some on here and the videoblogging group have the view that advertising is evil. I want to state I don't share that philosophy. Advertising is essential in informing on the talent and capability one wants to exchange with someone else's products of talent. It can be missused and my point is that putting ads in the main video stream is mainly a missuse. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling okekai@ wrote: You summarized it beautifully Jan. Simple, if not easy. And easier for some than others. Beach Walks - as a show - was founded on the principle of don't get invested in the results of what you do. It takes guts on some days, on other days it is utterly liberating. Your words are going on my bulletin board. When there is true peership among a producer and a sponsor *and* the audience, it is in everyone's best interest to tell and hear the truth. We just don't have many examples of that yet, though many are in the works. How do we pry ourselves off the dilemma's horns? Hmmm? By committing to tell the truth at the risk of losing the advertising client. By choosing clients carefully. Rox -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.inthetransition.com
[videoblogging] blog vs youtube myspace
I've always been interested in why young people prefer to post on youtube myspace versus on their own (video)blog (for the comments of course!) - in this group we seem to think having your own vlog is much superior. But today I realized: my photos are on flickr, instead of having my own instance of some opensource script like Gallery - for the community aspect (and the superior functionality), so isn't that the same? Just a thought. P -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net
[videoblogging] Re: The Case Against Advertising in Net Video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, caroosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great thoughts. I'll give you a developer's perspective about ads being dynamically inserted inline with audio and video files. And this goes to the heart of the whole New Media movement, which is about empowering people to connect around content, and making that content as accessible and usable as possible - not just for content creators, but consumers as well. In my opinion, participating in these ad insertion programs can limit the greater potential uses of such content. I'm a part of a technology development over at CrowdAbout.us. In a nutshell, we have developed a contextual commenting system, which allows for communities of people to have blog-like discussions centered around online multimedia, by making posts and comments at specific points along the timeline of the files being discussed. It's pretty cool stuff, if I do say so myself, but we are facing problems with these dynamic ad insertions. I'll explain. These dynamic ads are not standardized, and often change monthly (or even per download) on an ad rotation schedule devised by the advertising system. So one ad might run :20, another is :35. No big deal, really, unless someone wants to have a time-based conversation in our player, or make time-based annotations or chapter markers in another service. Suddenly, the difference of two or three seconds in a media source can wreak havoc and render useless the meta-services atempting to be used. We've had pleasant conversations with pleasant people at some of these respectable ad insertion companies. We have kicked around different ideas about how to overcome these issues (standardizing the time that ads are placed in content, and the ad length itself, if also time-based; special encoding that would help our system detect the ad and ignore it for the purposes of the timeline we use) but in the end, all the solutions mean that if we get around the ads, then it won't be long before everyone gets around them, and if that happens, they're out of business. So we have to explain to lots of content creators that their content isn't displaying in sync with their posts and annotations because the timestamp of the file they used last week is different from the dynamically served, ad-injected file that is being served up this week. (this is mostly happening with audio podcasts right now, but it's coming to video) If the goal of social media is to make content as accessible as possible in as many different contexts as possible, and available to as many people as possible, the case could be made that advertising often stands in direct opposition to the spirit of that cause. We could be going for a few quick bucks while making conversations that could lead to the bigger opportunities impossible. Excellent perspective and example. There is a real problem at this point with competing, unrelated ad messages placement in the main video content. The distributed net has been about choice, mainly pull, not push. How advertising falls into rich multimedia will be in a paradigm of viewer choice. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote: I've put up a post on my Lucid Media blog that may be of interest here. It is the rational for not placing ads within videos: http://tinyurl.com/37s2ma or http://lucidmedia.cirne.com/index.php/2007/03/02/the-case-against-advertising-in-net-video/ Blog text follows: == Recently methods of advertising in video have become active in development and implementation. Originally when I heard the rational for Ads in net videos from Revver, I thought it worthwhile. Provide a method for people making video on the net to gain revenue from their work. This would support net videomakers continuing their work. There had been entries on the yahoo videoblogging group and on blogs for Ads targeted to the audience and content of the video. Similar to Google showing Ads that try to relate to keyword searches; an Ad for Harley motorcycles could appear on a videoblog entry about a weekend motorcycle hog excursion with friends. Unfortunately, specifying include an Ad in my video on Revver, blip.tv and others means you can have a powerful, emotive video on the relationship to one's father followed by a upbeat commercial for Juicy Fruit gum. Or a irreverent video of doing a prank on someone followed by a commercial for the Heart Association. Now this problem probably just relates to the technicality of specifying categories for the Ad's relationships to video content and the amount of different Ads available. With time the correlation of Ads to video content and the viewership should have stronger matching. The question is why have Ads in videos on distributed networks. Traditionally, on a television set broadcast a
[videoblogging] Re: The Case Against Advertising in Net Video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I have to disagree with you Ads placed around the video I think is more distracting than a preroll or post rollwhy would I watch a video 16X9 and in the black bar areas there is a bunch of ads placed there? I know I woundn't. It would be as images or other ad movies. As clickable links with short text descriptions, they may work. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com Or course I don't think advertising is evil like a lot of people either. But that is another conversation... Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote: I've put up a post on my Lucid Media blog that may be of interest here. It is the rational for not placing ads within videos: http://tinyurl.com/37s2ma or http://lucidmedia.cirne.com/index.php/2007/03/02/the-case-against- advertising-in-net-video/ Blog text follows: == Recently methods of advertising in video have become active in development and implementation. Originally when I heard the rational for Ads in net videos from Revver, I thought it worthwhile. Provide a method for people making video on the net to gain revenue from their work. This would support net videomakers continuing their work. There had been entries on the yahoo videoblogging group and on blogs for Ads targeted to the audience and content of the video. Similar to Google showing Ads that try to relate to keyword searches; an Ad for Harley motorcycles could appear on a videoblog entry about a weekend motorcycle hog excursion with friends. Unfortunately, specifying include an Ad in my video on Revver, blip.tv and others means you can have a powerful, emotive video on the relationship to one's father followed by a upbeat commercial for Juicy Fruit gum. Or a irreverent video of doing a prank on someone followed by a commercial for the Heart Association. Now this problem probably just relates to the technicality of specifying categories for the Ad's relationships to video content and the amount of different Ads available. With time the correlation of Ads to video content and the viewership should have stronger matching. The question is why have Ads in videos on distributed networks. Traditionally, on a television set broadcast a advertisement had to exist within the video stream. No other location was provided for placement. However on the internet an Ad does not need to be in the video. It can be anywhere around the video on the web page. Either top, left, right, bottom or lower down the page. Now video on the net does not mean just a web page. It can be an iPod, mobile phone, Tivo, or even projected in a theatre film festival. All of these non- website screens can and probably will develop methods of displaying more than just a video stream. A future iPod, mobile phone, digital TV and theatre projector will be able to show more than just the video. Like the Opera super- and sub-titles projected separately from the performance, these screens will probably eventually have dynamic separate information areas where Ads can appear. Further with the usage of different screen ratios than 4x3 (16x9, etc.), space can be made available around the video to place Ads. This puts advertising in the video stream, but does not directly break up the video continuity. Google proved the failure of putting ads directly in searches. Flash Ads that pop-up and dance up over the content of web-pages send people away from sites. And Ads that interrupt the video, even at the end, will be found to be ineffective. They will either drive people away from watching the videos if at the start or middle or tend to not be watched if at the end. Ads placed around the video will work since people can choose to pay attention to the periphery of a video if the ad relates to their interest or ignore that area. == -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com
[videoblogging] Re: blog vs youtube myspace
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always been interested in why young people prefer to post on youtube myspace versus on their own (video)blog (for the comments of course!) - in this group we seem to think having your own vlog is much superior. But today I realized: my photos are on flickr, instead of having my own instance of some opensource script like Gallery - for the community aspect (and the superior functionality), so isn't that the same? Just a thought. P I would say it's not the same because video is self-containted making it's relation to it's context either congruent or in conflict. Images depend on their context for meaning: Other text (at least a heading) and comments to develop their social meaning. The meaning in video is usually not dependent on the site, but the effectiveness of expressing it's meaning is effected by the site. So a generic site like YouTube, MySpace usually works against the meaning videos have. For instance, Galacticast videos flower in perspective on the Galacticast site while lessen their presentation on generic sites. It is why a well done film seen from a excellent print in a beautiful, clean cinema theatre is a different experience from it's TV version. -- Enric -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net
[videoblogging] Volunteers for Podcamp NYC Video Team needed!
Hey all! Hopefully this isn't spam :) I am heading the Video Team for PodCampNYC. We are hoping to get enough help to be able to record and make available for download the entire set of presentations from the camp. There are more than 90 sessions booked right now so it is a huge project. Anyone who could help by recording a session or doing some interviews or even just dropping by and loaning us a camera for a few hours would be greatly appreciated! http://www.podcampnyc.org/wiki/index.php?title=Video_Team Thanks! Ken
Re: [videoblogging] blog vs youtube myspace
I just took down all my videos on YouTube this week because they were making everything feel a bit unhappy and dirty. So this topical for me. Maybe it's about giving, not about receiving. With a blog, you're giving - but with YT and Myspace, you're giving to get something in return. This is just my own personal take on it, but I think Flickr is very different in tone and feel from YouTube and Myspace. (Apart from the fact that it does the job of showing and sharing albums of pictures really easily, in a way that is accessible to non-tech friends and family.) Something about the way YouTube makes it compulsory to show star ratings and number of views (and makes those things central) turns it into a competitive exercise that I don't like. It's not why I'm publishing videos (though I'm not sure I could say why I am). It's also doubtless what makes YouTube such a big hit, and why millions put videos online that way. These things encourage you to think about dumbing down your videos or making Mass Appeal films to get more viewers. I also think it seriously affects the mindset and spirit of the people who watch and comment - encourages attention deficit, carelessness and all those haters you see everywhere. The whole highschoolish popularity competition thing drives the new web, just as it drives so much in the real world, but it's not for me. I hated it even at school. Supposedly people have feeds and favourites on YouTube - but again, it all feels tempered by who's cool, who's hot, who's popular, and how we can all be more like them. I like having a videoblog (and having videos on Blip) because my videos are just there - take them or leave them. I don't have to be judged openly and disproportionately by somebody who doesn't get something I've posted, or appear worthless because I have so few viewers compared to the popular kids. And I don't have to fall prey to those moments of doubt, with a comment or a bad rating prompting me to wonder why I'm bothering if I'm not as 'successful' as everybody else. On my blog, i put a video out there and hope it makes someone somewhere smile a little, or react in whatever way. Occasionally someone will get in touch and say that they liked it. MySpace, again, feels like a cross between high school cliques and businessmen swapping cards - and doesn't really provide anything else that I want that I can't get from email, IM, groups, real world introductions, etc - and from having a blog. But Flickr's focus is different. In the end, the connections I've made with people through my blog, and occasionally through this forum, feel a thousand times more satisfying than any I've made in YT, Myspace, etc. And when I have a view via my site, or my feed, it feels more substantial and personal than just another thrill-seeking YouTuber clicking past a video and then clicking on to somewhere else in YouTube. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://feeds.feedburner.com/fatgirlinohio/ On 5 Mar 2007, at 00:55, Peter Van Dijck wrote: I've always been interested in why young people prefer to post on youtube myspace versus on their own (video)blog (for the comments of course!) - in this group we seem to think having your own vlog is much superior. But today I realized: my photos are on flickr, instead of having my own instance of some opensource script like Gallery - for the community aspect (and the superior functionality), so isn't that the same? Just a thought. P -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: The Case Against Advertising in Net Video
Yikes - it's almost the rise of the red scare in here. We've mainly been using web video FOR advertising purposes - I guess we're evil because of it in the eyes of some here. We say we produce original content but it's usually sponsored by someone, either directly to support a product in a direct way like we're doing with http://www.inkisit.com http://www.inkisit.com or to support it in an indirect way like we did for Sundance Channel http://news.animaxent.com/2007/01/animax-on-sundance-channel.html http://news.animaxent.com/2007/01/animax-on-sundance-channel.html . Basically either you the viewer pays via subscription, or someone pays to reach you, or someone else sponsors the content originator to reach you. Ultimately there is a net loss from the system if you want to consider payment not just in dollars terms but also in terms of consumed time. Michael http://www.animaxent.com http://www.animaxent.com http://www.arnoldspeaks.com http://www.arnoldspeaks.com http://www.inkisit.com http://www.inkisit.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You summarized it beautifully Jan. Simple, if not easy. And easier for some than others. Beach Walks - as a show - was founded on the principle of don't get invested in the results of what you do. It takes guts on some days, on other days it is utterly liberating. Your words are going on my bulletin board. When there is true peership among a producer and a sponsor *and* the audience, it is in everyone's best interest to tell and hear the truth. We just don't have many examples of that yet, though many are in the works. How do we pry ourselves off the dilemma's horns? Hmmm? By committing to tell the truth at the risk of losing the advertising client. By choosing clients carefully. Rox On 3/3/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Advertising is flawed by definition, corrupt in its basic premise, a premise that in a pinch, excludes truth. One cannot accept money toward one's survival and in the pinch - when it really matters - tell the sad truth about the advertiser. It's all fine and dandy until the advertiser screws up. Screwups are inevitable. Behind every advertiser are fallible humans. Humans will lie to survive. That's a dilemma. How do we pry ourselves off the dilemma's horns? Hmmm? By committing to tell the truth at the risk of losing the advertising client. By choosing clients carefully. Advertising reeks with lies. I challenge you to watch an evening's worth of television with a lie filter in your brain. Some lies are mere hyperbole; others, flat-out insulting with untruth. As a result of the ubiquitous lie, we are inured to them. A dangerous mindspace in which to live. Trusted filters. Social currency. That's my answer. Jan On 3/3/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Generally, I have to agree with Bill here. On the web, there are many ways to use ads with video. I think it remains to be seen which will be the most well received approach, again generally speaking. Enric is likely correct in pointing out that mid-roll ads will not prove to be popular when done in such an intrusive manner as google video had been doing (or still is?). I think we might see more subtle in-play ads that do not interrupt the video but do take presence somewhere within the region or stage or the video and the player wrapper of the video. In particular, I believe that fullscreen modes will introduce additional opportunities, and real estate obviously, for ad placements. So where you might not experience in ad in default view, you would see ads when in fullscreen. Just theorizing really. But yes, the ads should be able to follow the video around as well but I think management of ad campaigns using new technologies will cover that. What I mean is. ad implementation for web video playback and ad implementation of device video playback can utilize different injectable assets for different distribution channels that can be managed and manipulated by content owners and agencies. So I dont thnk an ad must follow a specific video but rather understanding that different videos will be distributed out and each can utilize different approaches and technologies to penetrate and disperse. Somone asked about Joost... I'm firing up Joost now to remind myself how ads, if any, are handled.. aye. looks like i need to download latest mac version. they need to add auto-updates already! cool, i have 2 invites to send out. email me off-list if you need em. Ok, Joost has ad bumps in between some videos... sponsors. they are quick bumps. I suppose longer ads exist too. So it's like TV. Which makes sense since Joost is TV as VOD. Yeah... ads. yeah.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: blog vs youtube myspace
I think the answer is simple. It's a bunch of videographers... they have their own video sites. If this was a photographers group we'd have our own photo sites. Youtube is fun as is flickr... but when you're really serious about something you need more control and freedom. Can you put ads on your media on youtube? Can you make them higher res? Can you make them downloadable? Youtube is fun for about 90% of the planet, but this group is the 1-10% who needs something more. I find it particularly interesting that youtube makes it impossible for anyone to make any direct money of youtube but youtube. Therefore people are using it purely for marketing purposes. Which is exactly what I see. A tremendous amount of vloggers post at least some videos to youtube in addition to their vlogs. I suspect the future of youtube is as a dumping ground for corporations to promote themselves and serious vloggers increasingly emigrate away from youtube causing a slow dilution of the space. This is if there isn't just an outright backlash. The bottom line is... the center of the marketplace MUST remain open. Open spaces are where innovation and change happen so there there must remain a balance between open platforms and closed marketplaces. And yes I use the term marketplace openly. These are conversational marketplaces for ideas and media. Just my thoughts. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 3/4/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always been interested in why young people prefer to post on youtube myspace versus on their own (video)blog (for the comments of course!) - in this group we seem to think having your own vlog is much superior. But today I realized: my photos are on flickr, instead of having my own instance of some opensource script like Gallery - for the community aspect (and the superior functionality), so isn't that the same? Just a thought. P I would say it's not the same because video is self-containted making it's relation to it's context either congruent or in conflict. Images depend on their context for meaning: Other text (at least a heading) and comments to develop their social meaning. The meaning in video is usually not dependent on the site, but the effectiveness of expressing it's meaning is effected by the site. So a generic site like YouTube, MySpace usually works against the meaning videos have. For instance, Galacticast videos flower in perspective on the Galacticast site while lessen their presentation on generic sites. It is why a well done film seen from a excellent print in a beautiful, clean cinema theatre is a different experience from it's TV version. -- Enric -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Enric...vPIP
Maybe I am just blind but I looked over all your sites for a way to email you Enric and I cant find an email address anywhere. vPIP.org states that the current version for download is for 1.00c. I am only getting version .08 when I try to download it. I noticed that you have included a number of new options in vPIP. Options that I very desperately need right about 10 minutes ago. HELP!! Where do I get the latest version from? Thanks David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
[videoblogging] Re: blog vs youtube myspace
Rupert, you nailed it. I have put videos up on YouTube in hopes of attracting traffic to my vlog, but did it work? Heck no! I even got a respectable 60,000+ views on one video in YouTube, but it contributed approximately 5 or 6 new visits to my vlog. That's it. In a nutshell, YouTube is shallow. The whole mechanism of offering You might also like this items is a game that only YouTube benefits from, with bored people looking for the next thrill, clicking through countless videos. If someone comments, it's usually no more than 8 or 10 words (usually something like, dude, wtf! UR waystin my time, yo.) I realized, at the end of my own YouTube experiment that YouTube was just using my content to fuel the machine. It wasn't about giving me a place to showcase my work, or have meaningful dialogue with engaged viewers. They just needed to put something new on the screen every three minutes to keep the dumb suckers there and clicking. Talk about wasting my time... Carter http://crowdabout.us/baby --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just took down all my videos on YouTube this week because they were making everything feel a bit unhappy and dirty. So this topical for me. Maybe it's about giving, not about receiving. With a blog, you're giving - but with YT and Myspace, you're giving to get something in return. This is just my own personal take on it, but I think Flickr is very different in tone and feel from YouTube and Myspace. (Apart from the fact that it does the job of showing and sharing albums of pictures really easily, in a way that is accessible to non-tech friends and family.) Something about the way YouTube makes it compulsory to show star ratings and number of views (and makes those things central) turns it into a competitive exercise that I don't like. It's not why I'm publishing videos (though I'm not sure I could say why I am). It's also doubtless what makes YouTube such a big hit, and why millions put videos online that way. These things encourage you to think about dumbing down your videos or making Mass Appeal films to get more viewers. I also think it seriously affects the mindset and spirit of the people who watch and comment - encourages attention deficit, carelessness and all those haters you see everywhere. The whole highschoolish popularity competition thing drives the new web, just as it drives so much in the real world, but it's not for me. I hated it even at school. Supposedly people have feeds and favourites on YouTube - but again, it all feels tempered by who's cool, who's hot, who's popular, and how we can all be more like them. I like having a videoblog (and having videos on Blip) because my videos are just there - take them or leave them. I don't have to be judged openly and disproportionately by somebody who doesn't get something I've posted, or appear worthless because I have so few viewers compared to the popular kids. And I don't have to fall prey to those moments of doubt, with a comment or a bad rating prompting me to wonder why I'm bothering if I'm not as 'successful' as everybody else. On my blog, i put a video out there and hope it makes someone somewhere smile a little, or react in whatever way. Occasionally someone will get in touch and say that they liked it. MySpace, again, feels like a cross between high school cliques and businessmen swapping cards - and doesn't really provide anything else that I want that I can't get from email, IM, groups, real world introductions, etc - and from having a blog. But Flickr's focus is different. In the end, the connections I've made with people through my blog, and occasionally through this forum, feel a thousand times more satisfying than any I've made in YT, Myspace, etc. And when I have a view via my site, or my feed, it feels more substantial and personal than just another thrill-seeking YouTuber clicking past a video and then clicking on to somewhere else in YouTube. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://feeds.feedburner.com/fatgirlinohio/ On 5 Mar 2007, at 00:55, Peter Van Dijck wrote: I've always been interested in why young people prefer to post on youtube myspace versus on their own (video)blog (for the comments of course!) - in this group we seem to think having your own vlog is much superior. But today I realized: my photos are on flickr, instead of having my own instance of some opensource script like Gallery - for the community aspect (and the superior functionality), so isn't that the same? Just a thought. P -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Attention Diggnation Fans!
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up... Steve Searer, a Diggnation fan, is organizing a screening of Diggnation this Tuesday night at the Temuku Cinema in Temecula, CA. This is a great opportunity for Dignnation fans in San Diego, Orange and LA County so please spread the word! As creators, we all know how important the support of our viewers is to the success of our shows, so let's show up in a big way to support this fan! Here's a link to the original posting which has more information http://www.insidesocialnews.com/2007/02/23/diggnation-meetup-temecula-ca-march-6-2007/ On a side note, Viral will be taping next week's episode from the screening and we'll also be putting together a segment for an upcoming Diggnation episode. Even if you can't attend the event, please digg it and tell all your Diggnation fans. Thanks so much! Sunny Gault Viral Producer/Host www.viraltheshow.com
[videoblogging] Re: Enric...vPIP
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe I am just blind but I looked over all your sites for a way to
email you Enric and I cant find an email address anywhere.
I get the comments put at the bottom of the vpip.org pages. My email
is hard to find. It's at http://techalley.cirne.com/
(enric{at}cirne{dot}com).
vPIP.org states that the current version for download is for 1.00c. I
am only getting version .08 when I try to download it.
.08 is the vPIP Plugin version. It's a bit confusing. The vpip
version is in vpip.js file. You have the most recent version on
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com .
;),
Enric
I noticed that you have included a number of new options in vPIP.
Options that I very desperately need right about 10 minutes ago.
HELP!!
Where do I get the latest version from?
Thanks
David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
[videoblogging] Re: Enric...vPIP
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe I am just blind but I looked over all your sites for a way to
email you Enric and I cant find an email address anywhere.
I get the comments put at the bottom of the vpip.org pages. My email
is hard to find. It's at http://techalley.cirne.com/
(enric{at}cirne{dot}com).
vPIP.org states that the current version for download is for 1.00c. I
am only getting version .08 when I try to download it.
.08 is the vPIP Plugin version. It's a bit confusing. The vpip
version is in vpip.js file. You have the most recent version on
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com .
;),
Enric
I noticed that you have included a number of new options in vPIP.
Options that I very desperately need right about 10 minutes ago.
HELP!!
Where do I get the latest version from?
Thanks
David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
[videoblogging] Re: Enric...vPIP
I had just re-downloaded it and installed what I downloaded just after
I sent this. Sure enough, I got the options I didnt have before.
Very nice :)
Thanks!
David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@
wrote:
Maybe I am just blind but I looked over all your sites for a way to
email you Enric and I cant find an email address anywhere.
I get the comments put at the bottom of the vpip.org pages. My email
is hard to find. It's at http://techalley.cirne.com/
(enric{at}cirne{dot}com).
vPIP.org states that the current version for download is for 1.00c. I
am only getting version .08 when I try to download it.
.08 is the vPIP Plugin version. It's a bit confusing. The vpip
version is in vpip.js file. You have the most recent version on
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com .
;),
Enric
I noticed that you have included a number of new options in vPIP.
Options that I very desperately need right about 10 minutes ago.
HELP!!
Where do I get the latest version from?
Thanks
David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
[videoblogging] Re: Enric...vPIP
Cool!
-- Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I had just re-downloaded it and installed what I downloaded just after
I sent this. Sure enough, I got the options I didnt have before.
Very nice :)
Thanks!
David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@
wrote:
Maybe I am just blind but I looked over all your sites for a way to
email you Enric and I cant find an email address anywhere.
I get the comments put at the bottom of the vpip.org pages. My email
is hard to find. It's at http://techalley.cirne.com/
(enric{at}cirne{dot}com).
vPIP.org states that the current version for download is for
1.00c. I
am only getting version .08 when I try to download it.
.08 is the vPIP Plugin version. It's a bit confusing. The vpip
version is in vpip.js file. You have the most recent version on
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com .
;),
Enric
I noticed that you have included a number of new options in vPIP.
Options that I very desperately need right about 10 minutes ago.
HELP!!
Where do I get the latest version from?
Thanks
David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
[videoblogging] Yahoo Groups New Operations
Just wish there was a way to not go forward to the new ways of having yahoo group operate. I'm finding new features being implemented more annoying than new MS OS interface operations. -- Enric
