Re: [videoblogging] Re: McCain on Blip = a Shame
Censorship means THE GOVERNMENT shuts down your speech. A business has no obligation to provide an open forum, and blip is a business. Supporting free speech policies in video hosting services is a worthy thing, but if blip chose not to host campaign videos, it would not be censorship. If the FBI showed up and told blip to take down the videos, THAT would be censorship. Blip has the right to refuse service to anyone, and a business refusing service is not the same as censorship. A good argument can be made, though, that in the absence of alternative, equivalent platforms such a thing would have the same EFFECT as censorship. I think the limiting of access through private control of speech platforms is a major problem in a democracy/capitalist hybrid. It can certainly be as chilling as censorship, and have the same effect on the ability of all to speak freely in an environment where all can be heard, but it isn't, technically, censorship. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: McCain on Blip = a Shame
I don't speak up much here, and have to incriminate myself as one of Quirk's friends from the start - but have to say I almost precisely agree. (as long as speaker's corner exists in the UK, I can't condemn it). We all have the right to say what we want, where we want, when we want - as Americans. The joy here, is that thankfully, as you all have proven - he's picked the wrong venue for his wool/eye pulling. At least he's leveraging his voice in an environment that isn't welcoming - and one that quite frankly would burn him at the steak more likely than to share a steak with him. And serious props to Hudak and the folks at Blip for leaving it alone, and allowing the wild wild web to do what it does best - be itself. On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Jan McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > By all means: comment. > > Here's an opportunity to improve the quality of discourse; show 'em there's > better stuff going on @ Blip than @ YouRube [sic]. > > Jan > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Roxanne Darling <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Must. Not. Censor. Let blip gain market share and follow clever Jay - > this > > stuff can be used to promote whatever agenda you believe in. > > > > I support anyone's right to use blip's service and do not see that as an > > indictment of blip whatsoever. > > > > Use the tools. Mash it up. Leave comments. Have fun with what's left of > our > > democracy! > > > > Aloha, > > > > Rox > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Lisa Rein <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > I'm so glad that people finally spoke up about the whole free speech > > > thing! > > > > > > I was catching up on my emails this morning, and was a little shocked > by > > > peoples' condemnation of blip. > > > > > > Glad everyone's settled back into a big hug sort of thing. > > > > > > One thing I learned from hanging out with the EFF: "popular speech > never > > > needs to be protected." -- it's nice to hear people wanting to censor > > > mccain for a change :) > > > > > > But alas, this time we have to step up to protect the unpopular speech > of > > > these old lying nut-cases. > > > > > > It feels good actually. Let's hope we're in the position more > frequently > > > in the future! > > > > > > best, > > > > > > lisa > > > > > > > > > > I hope we can discuss this loudly and with lots of hand gestures next > > > time > > > > I > > > > see you over a full clay bottle of that crazy liquor you brought to > > > > Schlomo's place. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Adam Quirk > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 40wreckandsalvage.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > >> Your definition of censorship must be entirely different than > > > >> Cambridge's > > > >> then: > > > >> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=12160&dict=CALD > > > >> > > > >> This isn't even a slippery slope anymore, it's a full on landslide > of > > > >> muzzling the opposing viewpoint. I just don't understand why anyone > > > >> would > > > >> want to be encourage that kind of fascist behavior. > > > >> > > > >> If you disagree with someone in an argument, do you hold your hands > > over > > > >> your ears when they are talking? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Michael Schaap > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Now wait a fucking sec Quirk! What the fuck are u talking about? I > > > >>> never > > > >>> implied any kind > > > >>> of censorship! I just wanted to express my disgust with the fact > that > > > >>> my > > > >>> favorite hosting > > > >>> service, run by a fantastic man like Mike, is helping the McCain > gang > > > >>> to > > > >>> spread there filth. > > > >>> That's my opinion. Of course these assholes have the right to free > > > >>> expression/speech etc. > > > >>> But if I was Mike i would have kindly requested the McCain campaign > > to > > > >>> find some other > > > >>> hosting service. > > > >>> > > > >>> BTW - I don't know of any speech laws in Europe. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In > > > >>> videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Adam Quirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I have to assume most Americans are as disgusted by this thread > as > > I > > > >>> am. > > > >>> > Having seen and heard and been influenced by European ideas of > > > >>> "speech > > > >>> > laws", it fucking sickens me to see discussion of banning or > > > >>> censoring > > > >>> > certain points of view. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I don't give a fuck if John McCain says that liberal democrats > are > > > >>> > donkey-fucking satanists and that we as a people have to rise up > > > >>> against > > > >>> > them to save our culture. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > He's allowed to say whatever the fuck he wants. Thank god. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > So-called "hate speech" laws in Europe are one of the many > reasons > > > >>> I'll > > > >>> > never move there. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > As flawed as my government is, I know for a fa
Re: [videoblogging] Re: McCain on Blip = a Shame
By all means: comment. Here's an opportunity to improve the quality of discourse; show 'em there's better stuff going on @ Blip than @ YouRube [sic]. Jan On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Roxanne Darling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Must. Not. Censor. Let blip gain market share and follow clever Jay - this > stuff can be used to promote whatever agenda you believe in. > > I support anyone's right to use blip's service and do not see that as an > indictment of blip whatsoever. > > Use the tools. Mash it up. Leave comments. Have fun with what's left of our > democracy! > > Aloha, > > Rox > > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Lisa Rein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm so glad that people finally spoke up about the whole free speech > > thing! > > > > I was catching up on my emails this morning, and was a little shocked by > > peoples' condemnation of blip. > > > > Glad everyone's settled back into a big hug sort of thing. > > > > One thing I learned from hanging out with the EFF: "popular speech never > > needs to be protected." -- it's nice to hear people wanting to censor > > mccain for a change :) > > > > But alas, this time we have to step up to protect the unpopular speech of > > these old lying nut-cases. > > > > It feels good actually. Let's hope we're in the position more frequently > > in the future! > > > > best, > > > > lisa > > > > > > > I hope we can discuss this loudly and with lots of hand gestures next > > time > > > I > > > see you over a full clay bottle of that crazy liquor you brought to > > > Schlomo's place. > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Adam Quirk > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >wrote: > > > > > >> Your definition of censorship must be entirely different than > > >> Cambridge's > > >> then: > > >> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=12160&dict=CALD > > >> > > >> This isn't even a slippery slope anymore, it's a full on landslide of > > >> muzzling the opposing viewpoint. I just don't understand why anyone > > >> would > > >> want to be encourage that kind of fascist behavior. > > >> > > >> If you disagree with someone in an argument, do you hold your hands > over > > >> your ears when they are talking? > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Michael Schaap > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >wrote: > > >> > > >>> Now wait a fucking sec Quirk! What the fuck are u talking about? I > > >>> never > > >>> implied any kind > > >>> of censorship! I just wanted to express my disgust with the fact that > > >>> my > > >>> favorite hosting > > >>> service, run by a fantastic man like Mike, is helping the McCain gang > > >>> to > > >>> spread there filth. > > >>> That's my opinion. Of course these assholes have the right to free > > >>> expression/speech etc. > > >>> But if I was Mike i would have kindly requested the McCain campaign > to > > >>> find some other > > >>> hosting service. > > >>> > > >>> BTW - I don't know of any speech laws in Europe. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Adam Quirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > I have to assume most Americans are as disgusted by this thread as > I > > >>> am. > > >>> > Having seen and heard and been influenced by European ideas of > > >>> "speech > > >>> > laws", it fucking sickens me to see discussion of banning or > > >>> censoring > > >>> > certain points of view. > > >>> > > > >>> > I don't give a fuck if John McCain says that liberal democrats are > > >>> > donkey-fucking satanists and that we as a people have to rise up > > >>> against > > >>> > them to save our culture. > > >>> > > > >>> > He's allowed to say whatever the fuck he wants. Thank god. > > >>> > > > >>> > So-called "hate speech" laws in Europe are one of the many reasons > > >>> I'll > > >>> > never move there. > > >>> > > > >>> > As flawed as my government is, I know for a fact, as predicated in > > >>> the > > >>> > goddamned constitution that I live under, that I can say whatever > the > > >>> fuck I > > >>> > want about whomever the fuck I want, whenever, wherever, and to > > >>> whomever > > >>> I > > >>> > want. I only wish other countries had these rights. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Lisa Rein > > > > http://onlisareinsradar.com > > http://www.lisarein.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > Roxanne Darling > "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian > Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more > http://reef.beachwalks.tv > 808-384-5554 > Video --> http://www.beachwalks.tv > Company -- > http://www.barefeetstudios.com > Twitter--> http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Jan McLaughlin Production Sound Mixer air = 862
[videoblogging] Vlogger meetup in Los Angeles Mon Oct 27 8pm Canters
Hi! Jay Dedman, Dave Toole, myself and others are in Los Angeles for various conferences. We're meeting for dinner at Canter's Deli at 8pm on Mon Oct 27th If you're in the area, I hope you can join us. http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1251620 Markus
