Re: [videoblogging] Define....
Jeffrey,First of all, thanks for your kind words about rocketboom!Second of all, keep in mind that this list consists of approximately a skizillion people, and you'll find that those conversations you're talking about are carried on by a small minority. I've been on the list for about 7 months (which is a bout 50 vlog years) and, all in all, the people are very cool and most of them recoginize that the arguments are silly. In fact, some of those who are involved in those types of discussions even recognize they're silly but find them entertaining. (I must admit, secretly, don't tell anyone, that I actually find a pervese enjoyment myself in reading long threads involving arguments about silly things interspersed with flames and attacks ... good drama to me). Also, just to throw in a shameless plus, I did officially end the whole issue of what a vlog really is in one of my earliest videos, so all these other arguments are just after thoughts. http://www.richardshow.com/2005/06/richard-defines-video-blog.html... RichardOn 12/17/05, jeffrey_harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This is just too much...I liked this group the first week but you all seem so worried about nothing...OH Richard nice Rocketboom !! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Richard http://www.richardshow.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Define
And a journalist who asks question like -- isn't videobloging just diaries and narcissism -- can be pointed to a workable defintion and models for types of videoblogs. YAY HURRAY WE CAN POINT JOURNALISTS AT A MODEL AWESOME I AM SO HAPPY THE DAY IS MINE. Don't you get it? If the only reason you are being so anal is to better accomodate the FLOOD of journalists that will be pounding on your inbox I think you need to re-organize your priorities. Videoblogging is fun, but we are not THE media, videoblogging will NOT take over communications, and you are not going to be rich because you started arguing about what videoblogging means on an email list. At best videoblogging will either clog up, or supplement our media intake. Besides, videoblogging is getting old. In Internet years videoblogging is almost as old as free flash video game websites. It's fun but it's not going to shake the Internet to it's foundation... Where's Raymond these days? I need him to tell me I am a flamer so I tone it down a bit. Although, I am not trying to belittle anyone, I'm just trying to illustrate a point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Define
Journalist of the NYTimes and WSJ - H role models H... the good guys right? Are not they the same journalist who have sat on this most recent story of our Government spying on US? Journalist and the Media are controlled by a small group of $enior $ Socialites with $ignificat amout$ of money who publi$h what will $tand be$t for their media. Who cares what W$J and the NYTime$ feel about VLOGs - VLOG what you want - it is not a job it is a passion, hobby and your right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Define
I am right here, Chris, but i won't be calling anyone a flamer, or a troll, on this list. have fun and be evil, all raymondOn 12/18/05, Chris K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where's Raymond these days? I need him to tell me I am a flamer so Itone it down a bit. Although, I am not trying to belittle anyone, I'mjust trying to illustrate a point. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Define
No kidding!Something that not many people realize is that in terms of the corporate media, we are the product.Corporate advertisers are the customers.Be careful of how you define this medium, as the first one that the corporate media can co-opt and exploit is the one that will stick.I am for either defining it as a right to be heard/a right to a visible outlet for my opinion/my public voice (please go with the spirit of the words instead of picking them apart) or not defining it at all. If we define it in terms that the corporate media can pollute: viewers, entertainment, media outlet, etc, then it will go the way of the information superhighway.later, RonOn Dec 18, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Jeffrey wrote: Journalist of the NYTimes and WSJ - H role models H... the good guys right? Are not they the same journalist who have sat on this most recent story of our Government spying on US? Journalist and the Media are controlled by a small group of $enior $ Socialites with $ignificat amout$ of money who publi$h what will $tand be$t for their media. Who cares what W$J and the NYTime$ feel about VLOGs - VLOG what you want - it is not a job it is a passion, hobby and your right. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Define....
In fact, some of those who are involved in those types of discussions even recognize they're silly but find them entertaining. (I must admit, secretly, don't tell anyone, that I actually find a pervese enjoyment myself in reading long threads involving arguments about silly things interspersed with flames and attacks ... good drama to me). Amen. There will always be ..um.. passionate discussions on this group but that's what makes the spice of life I say (provided no one gets hurt). :) Joan http://rantingsofjoan.blogspot.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
There's been a idea that has been promoted to not define Videoblogging. That it is too soon, that defining it will lock it down and constrain it, and so on. The error is that a model, definition, thesis is required to test if something is viable. You don't discover something by not applying a model to it, but by testing if a proposed model accurately describes the item in question. The video projects that are interesting and successful whether the highly structured Rocket Boom or loosely structured Carp Caviar, have a understandable structure. Experimental films have existed since Edison and others invented the technology of filmmaking. But it became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. Within that clear models of genres and forms -- the science fiction, crime (with subgenre of noire), romance (subgenres of romantic-comedy, etc.), comedy, etc. sub-models --- resolved into modes of film expression. It is a mistake to narrowly define an art form. To say that videoblogging is just personal diaries or citizen journalism or another type of genre expression. This is like saying film is adventure. It may be that adventure (or romantic or crime) films are the most prevalent genres, but they are not the only genres that can exist and are interesting. It is the form of a duration around 90 minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form. And it is a video with blogging capability that may be the correct model that different genres of videoblogging exist in. That model may be incomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested against competing models until the correct model is determined. Saying that no model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for floundering and stagnation. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
oxymoron alert! there is no such thing as a correct model otherwise it would not be a model all models are approximations someday even physicist's will realize this and stop looking for the right one once a model is stamped correct, all you have is dogma Enric wrote: That model may be incomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested against competing models until the correct model is determined. Saying that no model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for floundering and stagnation. -- Enric -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
I don't understand the need to "strictly define" videoblogging except to separate individually (or collectively) produced "independent"video from advertising trailers promoting a commercial product (movie trailers, etc.) The independence of unfettered personal _expression_ is key to defining vlogging in my mind. Randolfe (Randy) Wickerhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Enric To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging There's been a idea that has been promoted to not defineVideoblogging. That it is too soon, that defining it will lock itdown and constrain it, and so on. The error is that a model,definition, thesis is required to test if something is viable. Youdon't discover something by not applying a model to it, but by testingif a proposed model accurately describes the item in question.The video projects that are interesting and successful whether thehighly structured Rocket Boom or loosely structured Carp Caviar, havea understandable structure. Experimental films have existed sinceEdison and others invented the technology of filmmaking. But itbecame a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the60-120 minute, three act model in "Birth of a Nation". Within thatclear models of genres and forms -- the science fiction, crime (withsubgenre of noire), romance (subgenres of romantic-comedy, etc.),comedy, etc. sub-models --- resolved into modes of film _expression_. It is a mistake to narrowly define an art form. To say thatvideoblogging is just personal diaries or citizen journalism oranother type of genre _expression_. This is like saying film isadventure. It may be that adventure (or romantic or crime) films arethe most prevalent genres, but they are not the only genres that canexist and are interesting. It is the form of a duration around 90minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form. And itis a video with blogging capability that may be the correct model thatdifferent genres of videoblogging exist in. That model may beincomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested againstcompeting models until the correct model is determined. Saying thatno model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for flounderingand stagnation. -- Enric YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
On 12/17/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand the need to strictly define videoblogging except to separate individually (or collectively) produced independentvideo from advertising trailers promoting a commercial product (movie trailers, etc.) The independence of unfettered personal _expression_ is key to defining vlogging in my mind. And that is where it should stay, in your mind. There are videoblogs that do not rely on personal _expression_. MediaMatters. Crooks and Liars. ScienCentral. There are many genres of videoblogs. By the way, Sciencentral is great. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before here. http://www.sciencentral.com/ http://www.sciencentral.com/feed.rss (no enclosures, just excerpts) AQ google.comRandolfe (Randy) Wicker http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Enric To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging There's been a idea that has been promoted to not defineVideoblogging. That it is too soon, that defining it will lock itdown and constrain it, and so on. The error is that a model,definition, thesis is required to test if something is viable. Youdon't discover something by not applying a model to it, but by testingif a proposed model accurately describes the item in question.The video projects that are interesting and successful whether thehighly structured Rocket Boom or loosely structured Carp Caviar, havea understandable structure. Experimental films have existed sinceEdison and others invented the technology of filmmaking. But itbecame a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. Within thatclear models of genres and forms -- the science fiction, crime (withsubgenre of noire), romance (subgenres of romantic-comedy, etc.),comedy, etc. sub-models --- resolved into modes of film _expression_. It is a mistake to narrowly define an art form. To say thatvideoblogging is just personal diaries or citizen journalism oranother type of genre _expression_. This is like saying film isadventure. It may be that adventure (or romantic or crime) films arethe most prevalent genres, but they are not the only genres that canexist and are interesting. It is the form of a duration around 90minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form. And itis a video with blogging capability that may be the correct model thatdifferent genres of videoblogging exist in. That model may beincomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested againstcompeting models until the correct model is determined. Saying thatno model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for flounderingand stagnation. -- Enric YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
In my opinion vlogging is not a modele ( there is x modele of vlogging) may be a spirit the feeling of the media's mastering Loiez Le 17 déc. 05 à 20:03, Enric a écrit : Or perhaps they are not. There's no contradiction between having a model and putting it in action (doing). -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Define....
This is just too much... I liked this group the first week but you all seem so worried about nothing... OH Richard nice Rocketboom !! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Define....
Don't judge us all over a zealous conversation b/n a few people some conversations are better carried on off-list. -Josh On 12/17/05, jeffrey_harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just too much... I liked this group the first week but you all seem so worried about nothing... OH Richard nice Rocketboom !! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
