Re: [videoblogging] Four Eyed Media Monsters
--- Richard BF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm especially interested in the new members' opinions, as they probably haven't had a lot of the citizen media, fuck big media rhetoric we used to go on about here a year ago, but now tend to no longer bother about. i guess you asked for it, and i'm new enough, so. :) i didn't catch on until recently that many members of this list defined videoblogging as inherently personal... livejournal via video, as it were. i don't have a problem with that as an aspect of videoblogging. i just also thought non-diary art was quite significantly a part of what you seem to be pointing at when you say 'citizen media, fuck big media'. i think the idea that only large networks can push out episodic video storytelling, for instance, is ripe for destruction, and a videoblog seems to be a great way to distribute an antidote. it seems like that kind of storytelling could / should coexist pretty easily alongside 'here is what i am thinking right now' when it comes to what styles / genres videoblogging should encompass or describe as a term. -scotto -- CHERUB - the vampire with bunny slippers http://www.cautionzero.net/cherub/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Four Eyed Media Monsters
Richard-- I don't think the Four Eyed Monster videopodcast is merely a promotional tool. If there were no film, the vlog would be just as good (possibly better). It is its own art. Re: LJMany people use livejournal for fiction, and they're nothing wrong with that. Blogging is the tool.That said, I don't think we (we being the videoblogging group) need to re-open this discussion... People can feel free to re-read the many times it's been discussed--- I doubt anything new will be said. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Four Eyed Media Monsters
Hi Richard, I've been thinking about this a lot recently since I've been teaching some videoblogging classes. There are a lot of things happening in the video space which are diluting the meaning of the term videoblogging. Everything seems to be called videoblogging these days including 'video podcasting', 'Google Video', and 'Subscribe to LOST on iTunes'. There is the technical definition, videoblogging is video on a blog, and the meaning. In class, we talk about the technical process of getting video onto a blog, but then discuss what it all means. We talk about how by putting video on a blog, you get all the bloggy goodness of permalinks, link love, comments, and discussion. We also talk about this Yahoo! list and the twice weekly video conferences and the Meet the Vloggers physical meet ups. 'Video blogging' is a community of creative people, and that is what makes it more than just video on a blog. Some of these video aggregation sites can expand our community by allowing people to find our videos, and if annotated correctly, they can provide a link back to us, where we can bring new people into the community. GOOGLE VIDEO Google Video makes it really easy to put video up on the web. It's up to the person to make sure they provide links back to their blog so that all the bloggy goodness isn't lost. Pomme Kelly got 11,000 hits on their blog yesterday. Pomme Kelly on Google Video singing Britney Spears Toxic: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7387896948226994299 Nice archive showing more from this user and allowing you to play videos back to back. Google video is great at providing better access to video archives. The link Pomme Kelly provides goes back to their main blog and not the permalink, but you can find the post that relates to the video. Pomme Kelly's WordPress blog: http://pommekelly.wordpress.com/toxic/ (54) comments on this post. On Feb 22, 2006, at 2:15 AM, Richard BF wrote: In recent months, reading this list you would be fooled into thinking that videblogging means video on the Internet. We have countless videoblog directories which simply aggregate RSS enclosures, we have videoblog aggregators which simply play video over the Internet, we have videoblog hosting providers which simply host video on the Internet, we have videoblog shows which are simply amateur TV series hosted on the Internet... the list goes on. Videoblog is a buzzword that most people seem to use to describe anything with video and the Internet. --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com My most recent post: VLOG SOUP: Episode 11 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/02/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Alternative reply address: stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Four Eyed Media Monsters
The point of the recent Four Eyed Monsters discussion seems to have been how to use the Internet to promote your more traditional film, which I'd argue has jack to do with this list. [snip] What do you think?---I've been putting video on a blog since October '05, and have been on this list since about the same time. Does that make me a videoblogger or not? Frankly, I don't care. I'm interested in exploring rich communication, and the way that communication changes according to the medium employed. The intersection of video and blogs is interesting to me as a medium, and I enjoy experimenting with it to see what is possible. Recently, I've been struggling with a direction for my blog. When you point a camera at your face and speak into it, you have nowhere to hide, except within yourself. The technique is so personal. So while I started the blog to explore the communication possibilities of the medium, I've had to confront the personal nature of the work I'm producing. My most recent post is about the difficulty of being personal in a medium that threatens to reveal all. The post was a direct (and very clumsy) response to FEM, especially the incredibly inspiring Episode 3.5, which did a beautiful job of exploring the difficulty of the creative process, the difficulty of confronting personally revealing material, and was itself incredibly open and personal. It moved me deeply. I'm trying to do work that moves me. I'll leave the naming of that activity to others. JS-http://more3.blogspot.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Four Eyed Media Monsters
Personally, I don't see why Four Eyed Monsters wouldn't be considered a vlog. While the central theme may be the film, the focus is clearly on the filmmakers themselves, That is the primary difference between FEM and other film-based vidcasts such as Kite Circuit, or what's going on for Clerks 2 and Superman Returns and so forth. While those all focus on the technical aspects, and giving a behind the scenes look at the creation of a film, FEM focuses on the relationship between two filmmakers and their journey getting their film out there.I also think it's unfair to pass what they're doing off as nothing but promotion for their film either. I have no ambition to watch the trailer for King Kong, because I've already seen the film itself. I've seen FEM the film twice, and I still follow their vlog religiously. The original poster was absolutely right in saying that if anything, the film and the vlog compliment each other, and create something greater than the sum of its parts. That's the true appeal of the film and vlog in the first place, so I really don't think it matters what you label it. The film takes the best aspects of documentaries, fiction, dramatization, music, and a subjective point of view to create something we haven't seen before. Watching the film, there is no way to pigeonhole it into a specific genre, because it encompasses a little of everything. It's a narrative, based on real people, involving a script and filmed scenes, and shown through the eyes of the filmmakers. One thing I do know, is that if it weren't for their vlog, I wouldn't even know about vlogs in the first place. It's through following theirs that I came upon the vlogs of the people in the group. I didn't go from watching FEM to looking for shows and serials or whatever, I looked for other vlogs. For people to sit here and say that FEM shouldn't be considered a blog is foolish, and is only going to hurt by pushing away people like myself, instead of gaining from what FEM is doing. -DannyRichard BF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old timers on this list are gonna love me bringing this up again. Newbies are probably going to love me even more for disturbing the mainstream media lovefest which seems to have taken over this email list in the past few months. I received some offlist emails about my Four Eyed Monsters post, which I really think should be reposted here, as they had much more information about the project, and offerred an alternate view to my naive opinions. If you emailed me, please CC it here, it will be interesting for others to read. But the question it poses is yet again, what is this list for? The simple answer is to help out new videobloggers. Which again begs the question ducking what is videoblogging? /ducking In recent months, reading this list you would be fooled into thinking that videblogging means video on the Internet. We have countless "videoblog directories" which simply aggregate RSS enclosures, we have "videoblog aggregators" which simply play video over the Internet, we have "videoblog hosting providers" which simply host video on the Internet, we have "videoblog shows" which are simply amateur TV series hosted on the Internet... the list goes on. Videoblog is a buzzword that most people seem to use to describe anything with video and the Internet. Others, like me, think it is more about the personal and all that it entails. So the gap between these opinions is still, after 18 months, enormous. The point of the recent Four Eyed Monsters discussion seems to have been "how to use the Internet to promote your more traditional film", which I'd argue has jack to do with this list. On the vlogtheory list, arguably whose main job is to define videoblogging, we've basically given up discussing the definition, because nobody will change their mind about what they think a videoblog is. It's like walking into a party where everyone has their arms crossed and nobody is talking. Michael's Vlog Anarchy video was a great bird flip to definition, but this list is now a perfect example of why videoblogging needs to be defined, otherwise perhaps the list should be renamed from videoblogging@yahoogroups.com to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do you think? I'm especially interested in the new members' opinions, as they probably haven't had a lot of the citizen media, fuck big media rhetoric we used to go on about here a year ago, but now tend to no longer bother about. Regards, Richard SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant
Re: [videoblogging] Four Eyed Media Monsters
Old timers on this list are gonna love me bringing this up again. Newbies are probably going to love me even more for disturbing the mainstream media lovefest which seems to have taken over this email list in the past few months. I received some offlist emails about my Four Eyed Monsters post, which I really think should be reposted here, as they had much more information about the project, and offerred an alternate view to my naive opinions. If you emailed me, please CC it here, it will be interesting for others to read. But the question it poses is yet again, what is this list for? The simple answer is to help out new videobloggers. Which again begs the question ducking what is videoblogging? /ducking In recent months, reading this list you would be fooled into thinking that videblogging means video on the Internet. We have countless videoblog directories which simply aggregate RSS enclosures, we have videoblog aggregators which simply play video over the Internet, we have videoblog hosting providers which simply host video on the Internet, we have videoblog shows which are simply amateur TV series hosted on the Internet... the list goes on. Videoblog is a buzzword that most people seem to use to describe anything with video and the Internet. Others, like me, think it is more about the personal and all that it entails. So the gap between these opinions is still, after 18 months, enormous. The point of the recent Four Eyed Monsters discussion seems to have been how to use the Internet to promote your more traditional film, which I'd argue has jack to do with this list. On the vlogtheory list, arguably whose main job is to define videoblogging, we've basically given up discussing the definition, because nobody will change their mind about what they think a videoblog is. It's like walking into a party where everyone has their arms crossed and nobody is talking. Michael's Vlog Anarchy video was a great bird flip to definition, but this list is now a perfect example of why videoblogging needs to be defined, otherwise perhaps the list should be renamed from videoblogging@yahoogroups.com to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do you think? I'm especially interested in the new members' opinions, as they probably haven't had a lot of the citizen media, fuck big media rhetoric we used to go on about here a year ago, but now tend to no longer bother about. Regards, Richard Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
