Re: [videoblogging] Re: Any video sharing sites still worth the bother?
I hate YouTube's image quality, which is for most purposes a deal breaker for me. That said... I know people who have found amazing and deep community via YouTube. I have one friend who has a dedicated following of a at least a couple hundred people on YouTube, and around whom incredible video dialogue has sprouted up that represents pretty much the best of what this particular type of first-person vlogging can be. She did this with no attempt at promotion (and in fact doesn't allow subscribers and has her embed codes blocked, which I didn't know you could do). She is also 78 years old, a gifted artist, and quite an inspiration to be around, which is a big part of why she's found such a dynamic home there, but there are others who have as well. She has a similar (though not quite as large) following and community situation on LiveVideo, where she started - she came to YouTube after LiveVideo, somewhat skeptically after a crosspost of some kind was addressed to her. She does, however, post several times a week, responds thoughtfully to her commenters, makes response videos to other people, etc. I suspect that without that level of participation, one becomes just another random maker /poster of videos on YouTube, subject to the trends and behaviors described (I believe accurately) by Bill, Rupert, and others here. If you want to check out her YouTube world - www.youtube.com/atree3 The image quality on YouTube is not only abysmal, but is responsible for the negative impression many filmmakers have of online video - an impression that keeps them from exploring it as a venue. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Any video sharing sites still worth the bother?
I think you hit upon a really good point. I think (in most cases) to have a really good following and maintain it, you have to work at it. commenting on other people site or comments, etc...it's key for sure... Heath Parks Media Made Easy http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate YouTube's image quality, which is for most purposes a deal breaker for me. That said... I know people who have found amazing and deep community via YouTube. I have one friend who has a dedicated following of a at least a couple hundred people on YouTube, and around whom incredible video dialogue has sprouted up that represents pretty much the best of what this particular type of first-person vlogging can be. She did this with no attempt at promotion (and in fact doesn't allow subscribers and has her embed codes blocked, which I didn't know you could do). She is also 78 years old, a gifted artist, and quite an inspiration to be around, which is a big part of why she's found such a dynamic home there, but there are others who have as well. She has a similar (though not quite as large) following and community situation on LiveVideo, where she started - she came to YouTube after LiveVideo, somewhat skeptically after a crosspost of some kind was addressed to her. She does, however, post several times a week, responds thoughtfully to her commenters, makes response videos to other people, etc. I suspect that without that level of participation, one becomes just another random maker /poster of videos on YouTube, subject to the trends and behaviors described (I believe accurately) by Bill, Rupert, and others here. If you want to check out her YouTube world - www.youtube.com/atree3 The image quality on YouTube is not only abysmal, but is responsible for the negative impression many filmmakers have of online video - an impression that keeps them from exploring it as a venue. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Any video sharing sites still worth the bother?
Brook That's a great point. Social marketing (whether intentionally or not) is not the same as internet marketing and that's where many go wrong. Yes it takes time and effort to do well in the social networks and generate a following, I think too many folk are thinking it's the same as IM where most will just pump and dump hoping for exposure. Not so. I mean how dumb is it to put a pic of a thong clad lass just to get views on a video that's completely off that subject. Eyeballs alone mean squat. Targeted, interested eyeballs are what I want. Robin
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The discussion about YouTube got me thinking. I did a little tour of some video sharing sites. I went to http://office.wreckandsalvage.com/ where they have a list of links to all the video sharing sites they upload to. A bunch of them are now defunct. All the predictable ones, like Grouper/Crackle, Studio6 and Dabble. Sharkle is still holding on somehow. I was amazed at how dull they all are. How limited the extra number of views they offer, how limited their sense of community networking. Above all, I was struck by the incredibly limited range of videos on most of these sites. Blip is really onto something by focussing on Shows in the way that it does now. At least it's not all bikini models and sport clips. I wondered what the point of them all was. There's no way that I'm going to waste my time uploading videos to any of them, for the sake of a few dozen views by people who don't care. It seems to me that the only reason these sites would interest videobloggers video artists is if they get videos in front of likeminded people with whom they can connect and communicate. So perhaps it's an ability to foster community that will make the difference between success and failure for these sites. I heard Vimeo has good community. And Viddler? Is that right? What about Daily Motion? Any others? Does anyone else have any good experiences on any other video sharing sites? Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog I've seen that Vimeo has some focused groups, like the HV20 group or Vimeo HD or one specifically focused on comedy. Because of that, they have people that subscribe to certain topics or filmmakers and watch the videos and comment. So that ends up being some decent communities, even though it's still inside a walled garden to a degree, because it's 'only' the people inside Vimeo AND inside that particular group. What you're talking about is the reason that I post my videos to blip. I stick to self-promotion and iTunes... not that I have a ton of hits, haha. The point is that the extra locations weren't useful to me, for the reasons you stated. Basically, they tend to depend on some gimmick to make people want to post there, but in the long run, there's no actual traction. The traction comes from people bookmarking and RSSing your site, using the videos as a back end, so it really doesn't matter where the videos are parked, and you're not seeing much return from the community aspect of the sites as a destination. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com
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Thanks Bill and Lauren - great replies. I feel more attracted to Vimeo and Viddler, and less inclined to waste time elsewhere. This lack of traction that you talk about, Bill, is a huge problem with Youtube. Youtube is still such a popular monopoly that I'm not sure they see how much of a problem it really is. If one of your videos gets popular, it just *does not* translate into views for your other videos. I have one video with 150,000 views because it's a video of a flashmob, and *none* of those viewers go on to watch any of my others. They just don't do anything to promote the producer of the video. The idea of channels on Youtube is a joke, when you really look at it. And they serve the producer poorly with their picture quality. As IPTV progresses and people start to hook up their home entertainment systems to the internet to watch shows and movies, this will be Youtube's Achilles heel - unattractive to both producers, consumers and most importantly advertisers, who want and need that traction. And, as previously discussed, there's very little in the way of nice community and loyalty - especially when compared to the massive viewership. Idiots. Arrogant idiots. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 17-Jun-08, at 4:39 AM, Bill Cammack wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The discussion about YouTube got me thinking. I did a little tour of some video sharing sites. I went to http://office.wreckandsalvage.com/ where they have a list of links to all the video sharing sites they upload to. A bunch of them are now defunct. All the predictable ones, like Grouper/Crackle, Studio6 and Dabble. Sharkle is still holding on somehow. I was amazed at how dull they all are. How limited the extra number of views they offer, how limited their sense of community networking. Above all, I was struck by the incredibly limited range of videos on most of these sites. Blip is really onto something by focussing on Shows in the way that it does now. At least it's not all bikini models and sport clips. I wondered what the point of them all was. There's no way that I'm going to waste my time uploading videos to any of them, for the sake of a few dozen views by people who don't care. It seems to me that the only reason these sites would interest videobloggers video artists is if they get videos in front of likeminded people with whom they can connect and communicate. So perhaps it's an ability to foster community that will make the difference between success and failure for these sites. I heard Vimeo has good community. And Viddler? Is that right? What about Daily Motion? Any others? Does anyone else have any good experiences on any other video sharing sites? Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog I've seen that Vimeo has some focused groups, like the HV20 group or Vimeo HD or one specifically focused on comedy. Because of that, they have people that subscribe to certain topics or filmmakers and watch the videos and comment. So that ends up being some decent communities, even though it's still inside a walled garden to a degree, because it's 'only' the people inside Vimeo AND inside that particular group. What you're talking about is the reason that I post my videos to blip. I stick to self-promotion and iTunes... not that I have a ton of hits, haha. The point is that the extra locations weren't useful to me, for the reasons you stated. Basically, they tend to depend on some gimmick to make people want to post there, but in the long run, there's no actual traction. The traction comes from people bookmarking and RSSing your site, using the videos as a back end, so it really doesn't matter where the videos are parked, and you're not seeing much return from the community aspect of the sites as a destination. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Any video sharing sites still worth the bother?
Oh. Immediately after sending that last message, I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=233yWq7rslI A Youtube blog entry talking about how they're already making great strides towards Youtube consumption in home entertainment systems. I realise I'm naive in thinking that because they don't do what I want them to do, they must adapt. Instead it's us who have to adapt to their monopolistic position find other ways of encouraging and enabling the traction that Bill I were talking about in previous posts on this thread. We've heard many users say, YouTube is the new TV!. Well, the YouTube Syndication team is excited to now offer a number of options to actually consume YouTube on your television sets. We're also proud to have helped many leaders in the consumer electronics space create YouTube experiences on TV. Getting YouTube right on TV is extremely challenging from both a design and technology perspective. Each of our partners' engineering and design teams had similar questions: - What would users, accustomed to a simple remote control interface for their TVs, expect given their typically much richer interaction options when surfing youtube.com? - How could the YouTube experience be personalized for TV? - How could the extra computing power and memory often required to make this work on their devices be added effectively? - What were the most important YouTube features to retain, and how would they translate to a 10-feet user experience? All these partners used the YouTube APIs to build their products. One partner's summary of their experience with the APIs: The YouTube API was very simple, but powerful. It enabled us to develop our user interface flexibly and quickly. Music to our ears! Here's a quick overview of some products that enable you to access YouTube from your living room...or anywhere else you may have your television(s)! AppleTV: In June 2007 this became the first product to offer a way to watch YouTube on your TV. Sony Bravia Internet Video Link: Last week, Sony announced the general availability of YouTube content on their Bravia TVs via the Internet Video Link. Some clips from the YouTube team at the event are linked below. Nice tie, Brent! HP MediaSmart: HP announced availability of YouTube as part of the HP MediaSmart platform. Panasonic: At CES 2008, Panasonic announced VieraCast, which allows you to access YouTube directly from your TV. The device will be available later this month. Samsung: Samsung launched their IPTV device which supports YouTube (currently only available in South Korea) in early May. TiVo: Announced that YouTube would be available on their devices. Verismo: A startup in the IPTV space, has announced availability of a YouTube-enabled device. We're excited that the YouTube APIs have enabled these products and look forward to sharing information about even more products, upgrades and innovations from our partners. We're determined to see more devices and applications Powered by YouTube so that our vision of YouTube Everywhere feels even more real to our users. Head over to the API Blog to read more about where you can expect to see YouTube other than youtube.com! Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ Creative Mobile Filmmaking Shot, edited and sent with my Nokia N93 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I am sure that they will adapt, but the question still remains can Google make money off of YT, because let's face it, they have to or sooner or later, it will go away. I still think Hulu is the closest to getting it right from a Ad perspective, if YT can someone offer both the professional content with ads and the user gen content for viral purposesthen look out... Heath Parks Media Made Easy http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh. Immediately after sending that last message, I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=233yWq7rslI A Youtube blog entry talking about how they're already making great strides towards Youtube consumption in home entertainment systems. I realise I'm naive in thinking that because they don't do what I want them to do, they must adapt. Instead it's us who have to adapt to their monopolistic position find other ways of encouraging and enabling the traction that Bill I were talking about in previous posts on this thread. We've heard many users say, YouTube is the new TV!. Well, the YouTube Syndication team is excited to now offer a number of options to actually consume YouTube on your television sets. We're also proud to have helped many leaders in the consumer electronics space create YouTube experiences on TV. Getting YouTube right on TV is extremely challenging from both a design and technology perspective. Each of our partners' engineering and design teams had similar questions: - What would users, accustomed to a simple remote control interface for their TVs, expect given their typically much richer interaction options when surfing youtube.com? - How could the YouTube experience be personalized for TV? - How could the extra computing power and memory often required to make this work on their devices be added effectively? - What were the most important YouTube features to retain, and how would they translate to a 10-feet user experience? All these partners used the YouTube APIs to build their products. One partner's summary of their experience with the APIs: The YouTube API was very simple, but powerful. It enabled us to develop our user interface flexibly and quickly. Music to our ears! Here's a quick overview of some products that enable you to access YouTube from your living room...or anywhere else you may have your television(s)! AppleTV: In June 2007 this became the first product to offer a way to watch YouTube on your TV. Sony Bravia Internet Video Link: Last week, Sony announced the general availability of YouTube content on their Bravia TVs via the Internet Video Link. Some clips from the YouTube team at the event are linked below. Nice tie, Brent! HP MediaSmart: HP announced availability of YouTube as part of the HP MediaSmart platform. Panasonic: At CES 2008, Panasonic announced VieraCast, which allows you to access YouTube directly from your TV. The device will be available later this month. Samsung: Samsung launched their IPTV device which supports YouTube (currently only available in South Korea) in early May. TiVo: Announced that YouTube would be available on their devices. Verismo: A startup in the IPTV space, has announced availability of a YouTube-enabled device. We're excited that the YouTube APIs have enabled these products and look forward to sharing information about even more products, upgrades and innovations from our partners. We're determined to see more devices and applications Powered by YouTube so that our vision of YouTube Everywhere feels even more real to our users. Head over to the API Blog to read more about where you can expect to see YouTube other than youtube.com! Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ Creative Mobile Filmmaking Shot, edited and sent with my Nokia N93 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I remember back in the mid-90s, people were asking should i build my website on Geocities or Tripod?. This feels like another one of those discussions. Not sure why these sites aren't trying harder to solve a core issue: how to find video that interests me - particularly Google, since this is core to their business. Fine with me though, as we keep humming along with our media search engine and user-curated channels. Nowadays, I find new video feeds that I like through my friends' subscriptions on Mefeedia. :) When I want to interact, I usually go directly to the producer's vlog. Regards, Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Feed Me Media --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure that they will adapt, but the question still remains can Google make money off of YT, because let's face it, they have to or sooner or later, it will go away. I still think Hulu is the closest to getting it right from a Ad perspective, if YT can someone offer both the professional content with ads and the user gen content for viral purposesthen look out... Heath Parks Media Made Easy http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Oh. Immediately after sending that last message, I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=233yWq7rslI A Youtube blog entry talking about how they're already making great strides towards Youtube consumption in home entertainment systems. I realise I'm naive in thinking that because they don't do what I want them to do, they must adapt. Instead it's us who have to adapt to their monopolistic position find other ways of encouraging and enabling the traction that Bill I were talking about in previous posts on this thread. We've heard many users say, YouTube is the new TV!. Well, the YouTube Syndication team is excited to now offer a number of options to actually consume YouTube on your television sets. We're also proud to have helped many leaders in the consumer electronics space create YouTube experiences on TV. Getting YouTube right on TV is extremely challenging from both a design and technology perspective. Each of our partners' engineering and design teams had similar questions: - What would users, accustomed to a simple remote control interface for their TVs, expect given their typically much richer interaction options when surfing youtube.com? - How could the YouTube experience be personalized for TV? - How could the extra computing power and memory often required to make this work on their devices be added effectively? - What were the most important YouTube features to retain, and how would they translate to a 10-feet user experience? All these partners used the YouTube APIs to build their products. One partner's summary of their experience with the APIs: The YouTube API was very simple, but powerful. It enabled us to develop our user interface flexibly and quickly. Music to our ears! Here's a quick overview of some products that enable you to access YouTube from your living room...or anywhere else you may have your television(s)! AppleTV: In June 2007 this became the first product to offer a way to watch YouTube on your TV. Sony Bravia Internet Video Link: Last week, Sony announced the general availability of YouTube content on their Bravia TVs via the Internet Video Link. Some clips from the YouTube team at the event are linked below. Nice tie, Brent! HP MediaSmart: HP announced availability of YouTube as part of the HP MediaSmart platform. Panasonic: At CES 2008, Panasonic announced VieraCast, which allows you to access YouTube directly from your TV. The device will be available later this month. Samsung: Samsung launched their IPTV device which supports YouTube (currently only available in South Korea) in early May. TiVo: Announced that YouTube would be available on their devices. Verismo: A startup in the IPTV space, has announced availability of a YouTube-enabled device. We're excited that the YouTube APIs have enabled these products and look forward to sharing information about even more products, upgrades and innovations from our partners. We're determined to see more devices and applications Powered by YouTube so that our vision of YouTube Everywhere feels even more real to our users. Head over to the API Blog to read more about where you can expect to see YouTube other than youtube.com! Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ Creative Mobile Filmmaking Shot, edited and sent with my Nokia N93 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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You know Frank brings up a good point here, the fact that Mefeedia has been doing a great job of video search lately. I know I am guilty of not thinking about Mefeedia as much as I should. But everytime David Meade shows me something that Mefeedia is doing or has done, I always go man that is coolWe gotta get them guys a publicist or something! ;) Heath Parks Media Made Easy http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember back in the mid-90s, people were asking should i build my website on Geocities or Tripod?. This feels like another one of those discussions. Not sure why these sites aren't trying harder to solve a core issue: how to find video that interests me - particularly Google, since this is core to their business. Fine with me though, as we keep humming along with our media search engine and user-curated channels. Nowadays, I find new video feeds that I like through my friends' subscriptions on Mefeedia. :) When I want to interact, I usually go directly to the producer's vlog. Regards, Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Feed Me Media --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I am sure that they will adapt, but the question still remains can Google make money off of YT, because let's face it, they have to or sooner or later, it will go away. I still think Hulu is the closest to getting it right from a Ad perspective, if YT can someone offer both the professional content with ads and the user gen content for viral purposesthen look out... Heath Parks Media Made Easy http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Oh. Immediately after sending that last message, I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=233yWq7rslI A Youtube blog entry talking about how they're already making great strides towards Youtube consumption in home entertainment systems. I realise I'm naive in thinking that because they don't do what I want them to do, they must adapt. Instead it's us who have to adapt to their monopolistic position find other ways of encouraging and enabling the traction that Bill I were talking about in previous posts on this thread. We've heard many users say, YouTube is the new TV!. Well, the YouTube Syndication team is excited to now offer a number of options to actually consume YouTube on your television sets. We're also proud to have helped many leaders in the consumer electronics space create YouTube experiences on TV. Getting YouTube right on TV is extremely challenging from both a design and technology perspective. Each of our partners' engineering and design teams had similar questions: - What would users, accustomed to a simple remote control interface for their TVs, expect given their typically much richer interaction options when surfing youtube.com? - How could the YouTube experience be personalized for TV? - How could the extra computing power and memory often required to make this work on their devices be added effectively? - What were the most important YouTube features to retain, and how would they translate to a 10-feet user experience? All these partners used the YouTube APIs to build their products. One partner's summary of their experience with the APIs: The YouTube API was very simple, but powerful. It enabled us to develop our user interface flexibly and quickly. Music to our ears! Here's a quick overview of some products that enable you to access YouTube from your living room...or anywhere else you may have your television(s)! AppleTV: In June 2007 this became the first product to offer a way to watch YouTube on your TV. Sony Bravia Internet Video Link: Last week, Sony announced the general availability of YouTube content on their Bravia TVs via the Internet Video Link. Some clips from the YouTube team at the event are linked below. Nice tie, Brent! HP MediaSmart: HP announced availability of YouTube as part of the HP MediaSmart platform. Panasonic: At CES 2008, Panasonic announced VieraCast, which allows you to access YouTube directly from your TV. The device will be available later this month. Samsung: Samsung launched their IPTV device which supports YouTube (currently only available in South Korea) in early May. TiVo: Announced that YouTube would be available on their devices. Verismo: A startup in the IPTV space, has announced availability of a YouTube-enabled device. We're excited that the YouTube APIs have enabled these products and look forward to sharing
[videoblogging] Re: Any video sharing sites still worth the bother?
Thank you, Heath! What would mean 1000x more than publicity, though, is seeing little +mefeedia subscribe buttons next to those +youtube buttons that are popping up everywhere. :) Regards, Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Feed Me Media --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know Frank brings up a good point here, the fact that Mefeedia has been doing a great job of video search lately. I know I am guilty of not thinking about Mefeedia as much as I should. But everytime David Meade shows me something that Mefeedia is doing or has done, I always go man that is coolWe gotta get them guys a publicist or something! ;) Heath Parks Media Made Easy http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton frank@ wrote: I remember back in the mid-90s, people were asking should i build my website on Geocities or Tripod?. This feels like another one of those discussions. Not sure why these sites aren't trying harder to solve a core issue: how to find video that interests me - particularly Google, since this is core to their business. Fine with me though, as we keep humming along with our media search engine and user-curated channels. Nowadays, I find new video feeds that I like through my friends' subscriptions on Mefeedia. :) When I want to interact, I usually go directly to the producer's vlog. Regards, Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Feed Me Media --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I am sure that they will adapt, but the question still remains can Google make money off of YT, because let's face it, they have to or sooner or later, it will go away. I still think Hulu is the closest to getting it right from a Ad perspective, if YT can someone offer both the professional content with ads and the user gen content for viral purposesthen look out... Heath Parks Media Made Easy http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Oh. Immediately after sending that last message, I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=233yWq7rslI A Youtube blog entry talking about how they're already making great strides towards Youtube consumption in home entertainment systems. I realise I'm naive in thinking that because they don't do what I want them to do, they must adapt. Instead it's us who have to adapt to their monopolistic position find other ways of encouraging and enabling the traction that Bill I were talking about in previous posts on this thread. We've heard many users say, YouTube is the new TV!. Well, the YouTube Syndication team is excited to now offer a number of options to actually consume YouTube on your television sets. We're also proud to have helped many leaders in the consumer electronics space create YouTube experiences on TV. Getting YouTube right on TV is extremely challenging from both a design and technology perspective. Each of our partners' engineering and design teams had similar questions: - What would users, accustomed to a simple remote control interface for their TVs, expect given their typically much richer interaction options when surfing youtube.com? - How could the YouTube experience be personalized for TV? - How could the extra computing power and memory often required to make this work on their devices be added effectively? - What were the most important YouTube features to retain, and how would they translate to a 10-feet user experience? All these partners used the YouTube APIs to build their products. One partner's summary of their experience with the APIs: The YouTube API was very simple, but powerful. It enabled us to develop our user interface flexibly and quickly. Music to our ears! Here's a quick overview of some products that enable you to access YouTube from your living room...or anywhere else you may have your television(s)! AppleTV: In June 2007 this became the first product to offer a way to watch YouTube on your TV. Sony Bravia Internet Video Link: Last week, Sony announced the general availability of YouTube content on their Bravia TVs via the Internet Video Link. Some clips from the YouTube team at the event are linked below. Nice tie, Brent! HP MediaSmart: HP announced availability of YouTube as part of the HP MediaSmart platform. Panasonic: At CES 2008, Panasonic announced VieraCast, which allows you to access YouTube directly from your TV. The device will be available
[videoblogging] Re: Any video sharing sites still worth the bother?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Bill and Lauren - great replies. I feel more attracted to Vimeo and Viddler, and less inclined to waste time elsewhere. The communities there are smaller, but way more dedicated. This lack of traction that you talk about, Bill, is a huge problem with Youtube. Youtube is still such a popular monopoly that I'm not sure they see how much of a problem it really is. If one of your videos gets popular, it just *does not* translate into views for your other videos. I have one video with 150,000 views because it's a video of a flashmob, and *none* of those viewers go on to watch any of my others. That's because most of the views come from people tuning in to the home page and clicking blindly on videos that are featured. Even if your video's not featured, if it becomes popular for some reason, it's THAT VIDEO that's popular, not YOU or your genre of videos. The analogy I'll draw is that I met someone at a party last week and she knew who I was, but I hadn't heard of her before. When I went home and googled her, I landed on an article she had written about a party that I had attended before I met her. I had read that article, but I had been sent there via probably a link from twitter. At the time I read it, I had no connection to her at all, so I went, read the information, didn't check any more of her posts and went about my business. That's how youtube works. People search for topics, like fighting, for instance. If you make a video about fighting, they'll watch it and then search for more videos about that. On top of that, IME, YouTube leaves open the section related videos and leaves the section more videos from this author closed. It's more likely that people are going to click on some picture they see and exit your stream than it is for them to open the more videos tab and THEN search through the pictures. This is also why people make sure their middle image is of a chick, preferably showing skin. They know that regardless of their topic, guys are going to click on that image to see what they can get from the chick... making their video look popular and getting them the potential to become featured and get all those extra hits. It's all a scam. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com They just don't do anything to promote the producer of the video. The idea of channels on Youtube is a joke, when you really look at it. And they serve the producer poorly with their picture quality. As IPTV progresses and people start to hook up their home entertainment systems to the internet to watch shows and movies, this will be Youtube's Achilles heel - unattractive to both producers, consumers and most importantly advertisers, who want and need that traction. And, as previously discussed, there's very little in the way of nice community and loyalty - especially when compared to the massive viewership. Idiots. Arrogant idiots. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 17-Jun-08, at 4:39 AM, Bill Cammack wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: The discussion about YouTube got me thinking. I did a little tour of some video sharing sites. I went to http://office.wreckandsalvage.com/ where they have a list of links to all the video sharing sites they upload to. A bunch of them are now defunct. All the predictable ones, like Grouper/Crackle, Studio6 and Dabble. Sharkle is still holding on somehow. I was amazed at how dull they all are. How limited the extra number of views they offer, how limited their sense of community networking. Above all, I was struck by the incredibly limited range of videos on most of these sites. Blip is really onto something by focussing on Shows in the way that it does now. At least it's not all bikini models and sport clips. I wondered what the point of them all was. There's no way that I'm going to waste my time uploading videos to any of them, for the sake of a few dozen views by people who don't care. It seems to me that the only reason these sites would interest videobloggers video artists is if they get videos in front of likeminded people with whom they can connect and communicate. So perhaps it's an ability to foster community that will make the difference between success and failure for these sites. I heard Vimeo has good community. And Viddler? Is that right? What about Daily Motion? Any others? Does anyone else have any good experiences on any other video sharing sites? Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog I've seen that Vimeo has some focused groups, like the HV20 group or Vimeo HD or one specifically focused on comedy. Because of that, they have people that subscribe to certain topics or filmmakers and watch the videos and comment. So that ends up being
