[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Thanks Harold, that's a great reference, although I now hold you responsible for vastly increased unproductive work time as I am spending lots of time checking out his vlog - it's brilliantly eclectic!
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Harold, Vblogging I think was unfortunately was a slip of the keyboard rather than a bold new coinage! It is genuinely amaznig the way the web interactivity/communications sector is splintering and proliferating - and I think it's very true what you say about 'fame' attaching to pioneers as much as anything. Glad Heathervescent did a good job, I've read about the conference. The people behind the application seem to be very passionate about it. It sounds like it could be a great solution for the weekly meetings - ooVoo is also free and you can use it to videoconference with up to 6 others. The audio and video are pretty cool. The blog I write for oovooworld.com (!unsurprisingly) collates all the buzz, opinions and reviews about it (it's balanced, looking at competitors too) so you might want to have a look. If you want to talk about it further of course post here but also feel free to email me or indeed ooVoo me or my colleague (ooVooMolly) once it's downloaded and you can see how it works in action... Phew! Schpiel over!
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Simon, The notion of 'fame' seems to be transforming these days. My first response to your initial question, though, would have been to point you to Jay Dedman. (I just now ran a Google search for the term 'dedman' and see that Jay's vlog/site Momentshowing is currently the third listed result; perhaps it will soon be the top-listed, or perhaps it has been already, or perhaps this is simply a digression.) I believe Jay started this particular forum, or at least was instrumental in doing so, and he's certainly one of the (if not *the*) hardest-working vloggers in the universe. (See his Joshua Paul's book, Videoblogging, for further evidence of his role in educating the world about his particular favorite form of artmaking.) Plus, his lovelife is a story everyone can be moved by, in one way or another. (And it has to do with vblogging!) Harold On 6/25/07, oovooworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harold, Vblogging I think was unfortunately was a slip of the keyboard rather than a bold new coinage! It is genuinely amaznig the way the web interactivity/communications sector is splintering and proliferating - and I think it's very true what you say about 'fame' attaching to pioneers as much as anything. Glad Heathervescent did a good job, I've read about the conference. The people behind the application seem to be very passionate about it. It sounds like it could be a great solution for the weekly meetings - ooVoo is also free and you can use it to videoconference with up to 6 others. The audio and video are pretty cool. The blog I write for oovooworld.com (!unsurprisingly) collates all the buzz, opinions and reviews about it (it's balanced, looking at competitors too) so you might want to have a look. If you want to talk about it further of course post here but also feel free to email me or indeed ooVoo me or my colleague (ooVooMolly) once it's downloaded and you can see how it works in action... Phew! Schpiel over! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, The notion of 'fame' seems to be transforming these days. My first response to your initial question, though, would have been to point you to Jay Dedman. Plus, his lovelife is a story everyone can be moved by, in one way or another. (And it has to do with vblogging!) Harold Linky? hahahaha :D
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
What interesting thoughts, and it has got me thinking way outside my first intention, which I suppose was simply to find someone pretty prolific/'known' to show her a good example... First of all isn't it interesting that I felt the need to show her someone 'famous' as if that validated them, or would excite her more, or I suppose carried some sort of authority 'less known' bloggers have... I suppose that is indeed part of our cultural thinking. But it's true, vblogging raises some interesting issues around fame. In the past 'fame' was often the only thing that allowed people to have their voice listened to and credited on a large scale. Of course in some ways everyone can now be 'famous' in that context and very quickly get a following on the net undependent on media or PR spin or institutions... but by the same logic I suppose 'fame' as the concept we are used to therefore does not really exist on the net in the same way, as it is much more consumer and content driven... in vblogs are the conversations , movements and communities more important/famous than the individuals? But then you've got someone like Perez Hilton who is using blogs to talk all about fame, and ironically then becomes famous himself... Don't quite know what I'm concluding here - nothing I suppose - but it's really making me think so please chip in and keep talking!
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Yeah I didn't mean to suggest he isn't *known* but having been seen by an audience of 20,000 isn't exactly *famous* in a traditional sense. My larger point is that fame is relative. If I were to ask my co-workers or my family who he was, it's very likely that none if any would have heard of him. On the other hand I did hear some random guy talking about Ask a Ninja in the coffee shop the other day ... that was sorta surprising to me. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS http://lofistl.com http://billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ze Frank was the closing keynote speaker at the annual STC conference this year, approx. 20,000 attendees of professional technical writers. So, um, he's *known.* --Stephanie On 6/20/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Markus was talking about Times person of the year issue where they named the person of the year as you. Are your friends familuar with YouTube? That's videoblogging. When you talk about things like most famous etc. Those are hard things to quantify. There are Videobloggers like Zefrank who is very famous in some circles but is virtually unknown in others. And he never did put his stuff on YouTube and yet the most popular YouTubers probably get way more views than he ever did--and it's very likely that few on this list had ever heard of them. What I'm saying is fame is relative. Some of us are famous to a few--which sounds like an oxymoron, but it's true in a way. But thats the world we live in now--even conventional definitions of what seem like simple things like fame don't really mean anything anymore. So what I'm saying is that your question isn't an easy one to answer. To someone not familuar with internet video none of us doing this is famous in the least. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS http://lofistl.com http://billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, oovooworld simon@ wrote: Well yes I'd heard I was mentioned but I was hoping someone else was kicking around with half the skill...its a lot of pressure to live with you know...sigh I don't know how I missed that issue of Time. Was it the same one that had the article reviewing George Bush's new pioneering green policy? Yahoo! Groups Links -- Stephanie Bryant Author, Videoblogging for Dummies [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
It's me. I'm the most famous videoblogger ... in my street! Waz from Crash Test Kitchen (for a picture, see Time Person of the Year issue. No, not the mirror on the front, dummy - the picture of ME ME ME inside! Oh, Lenny's in there too...) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Segmented fame. I like that! I'd rather 10,000,000 people watched 1,000,000 different videoblogs than 10,000,000 people watching the same 100. Or something like that. My math is off-- just work with me on this one. You get it, though, right? I don't know what an STC conference is, but being known to 20,000 tech writers is hardly impressive in the vast scheme of things. Millions upon millions of people don't know who Ze Frank is. Or any of us here. There is no most famous videoblogger. I imagine that declaring one (or even trying to) on this yahoo group would result in THE longest define videoblogging thread of all time! Feel free to have at it if y'all must. Personally, I mustn't. hugs, Bekah -- http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Maybe fame is very segmented these days. In an era where the mass media isnt quite so mass, and the rise of the long tail, there is less collective recognition of a limited set of people who are the megafamous. Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ wrote: Ze Frank was the closing keynote speaker at the annual STC conference this year, approx. 20,000 attendees of professional technical writers. So, um, he's *known.* --Stephanie
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Reminds me of a short film. How to be famous. It recommended being an American and moving to a small town in Italy off the tourist circuit where you're the only American. -Mike On 6/21/07, wazman_au [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's me. I'm the most famous videoblogger ... in my street! Waz from Crash Test Kitchen (for a picture, see Time Person of the Year issue. No, not the mirror on the front, dummy - the picture of ME ME ME inside! Oh, Lenny's in there too...) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Segmented fame. I like that! I'd rather 10,000,000 people watched 1,000,000 different videoblogs than 10,000,000 people watching the same 100. Or something like that. My math is off-- just work with me on this one. You get it, though, right? I don't know what an STC conference is, but being known to 20,000 tech writers is hardly impressive in the vast scheme of things. Millions upon millions of people don't know who Ze Frank is. Or any of us here. There is no most famous videoblogger. I imagine that declaring one (or even trying to) on this yahoo group would result in THE longest define videoblogging thread of all time! Feel free to have at it if y'all must. Personally, I mustn't. hugs, Bekah -- http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Maybe fame is very segmented these days. In an era where the mass media isnt quite so mass, and the rise of the long tail, there is less collective recognition of a limited set of people who are the megafamous. Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ wrote: Ze Frank was the closing keynote speaker at the annual STC conference this year, approx. 20,000 attendees of professional technical writers. So, um, he's *known.* --Stephanie Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
First of all isn't it interesting that I felt the need to show her someone 'famous' as if that validated them, or would excite her more, or I suppose carried some sort of authority 'less known' bloggers have... I suppose that is indeed part of our cultural thinking. i dont think there is anyone traditionally famous who is videoblogging. maybe Darryl Hannah. http://www.dhlovelife.com/ But the movie, Splash, was a long time ago. David Jr will tell you that David Jr is the most famous: http://davidjr.com/ Interview Magazine just put an issue of the hottest web stars to help you know what to think: http://davidjr.com/interview/ Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://politicalvideo.org 500 hours of George Bush speeches!! Search, download, remix!!
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Well yes I'd heard I was mentioned but I was hoping someone else was kicking around with half the skill...its a lot of pressure to live with you know...sigh I don't know how I missed that issue of Time. Was it the same one that had the article reviewing George Bush's new pioneering green policy?
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
I think Markus was talking about Times person of the year issue where they named the person of the year as you. Are your friends familuar with YouTube? That's videoblogging. When you talk about things like most famous etc. Those are hard things to quantify. There are Videobloggers like Zefrank who is very famous in some circles but is virtually unknown in others. And he never did put his stuff on YouTube and yet the most popular YouTubers probably get way more views than he ever did--and it's very likely that few on this list had ever heard of them. What I'm saying is fame is relative. Some of us are famous to a few--which sounds like an oxymoron, but it's true in a way. But thats the world we live in now--even conventional definitions of what seem like simple things like fame don't really mean anything anymore. So what I'm saying is that your question isn't an easy one to answer. To someone not familuar with internet video none of us doing this is famous in the least. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS http://lofistl.com http://billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, oovooworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes I'd heard I was mentioned but I was hoping someone else was kicking around with half the skill...its a lot of pressure to live with you know...sigh I don't know how I missed that issue of Time. Was it the same one that had the article reviewing George Bush's new pioneering green policy?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Ze Frank was the closing keynote speaker at the annual STC conference this year, approx. 20,000 attendees of professional technical writers. So, um, he's *known.* --Stephanie On 6/20/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Markus was talking about Times person of the year issue where they named the person of the year as you. Are your friends familuar with YouTube? That's videoblogging. When you talk about things like most famous etc. Those are hard things to quantify. There are Videobloggers like Zefrank who is very famous in some circles but is virtually unknown in others. And he never did put his stuff on YouTube and yet the most popular YouTubers probably get way more views than he ever did--and it's very likely that few on this list had ever heard of them. What I'm saying is fame is relative. Some of us are famous to a few--which sounds like an oxymoron, but it's true in a way. But thats the world we live in now--even conventional definitions of what seem like simple things like fame don't really mean anything anymore. So what I'm saying is that your question isn't an easy one to answer. To someone not familuar with internet video none of us doing this is famous in the least. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS http://lofistl.com http://billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, oovooworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes I'd heard I was mentioned but I was hoping someone else was kicking around with half the skill...its a lot of pressure to live with you know...sigh I don't know how I missed that issue of Time. Was it the same one that had the article reviewing George Bush's new pioneering green policy? Yahoo! Groups Links -- Stephanie Bryant Author, Videoblogging for Dummies [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Maybe fame is very segmented these days. In an era where the mass media isnt quite so mass, and the rise of the long tail, there is less collective recognition of a limited set of people who are the megafamous. Its probably easy to overstate such things, but I guess it would potentially be especially true of something like videoblogging, compared to traditional sources of megafame like television, which will have a very slow and painful decline (or rebirth perhaps), rather than their fame vanishing overnight. The generation gap, in terms of certain elements of shared culture etc, has never been so big as it is now, Id guess? It wasnt like this when things like music were passed mostly person to person, folk-tastic. I dunno how things will pan out with this stuff and the internet, whether it will make everything more folksey and human again, whether it will send fame on a shrinking path, a race to the bottom where more people become famous but to less people. Will we reach a time where it is accepted as totally normal to have a fairly small number of viewers, and everyone can still thrive on this, rather than the exception of the highly viewed 'famous people' being seen so often as the goal and anything else as failure? Easy to say but this then ties in with ideas about how much people 'deserve' (or need) to get paid to vlog sustainably. I dont ever know how a question like 'who is the most famous xxx' can be answered. There cant be one definitive answer, normally. And with something like vlogging, someone could be famous for some other reason and then happen to do a videoblog. And my mum doesnt know any videobloggers, none of them are famous to her. But in other segments of society there are some famous vloggers. Fame eh, has anybody seen any videoblogs that say anything profound about the concept of fame? Right now Big Borther is on UK TV, ugh a bunch of people getting famous by being on tv, sometimes strangely compelling, usually a talent-free zone, yet people feel like they get to know these characters, creating a strangely intimate sort of fame? Either way if you urinate in the shower on big brother, you'l get a lot more fame than if you urinate on youtube. But then again the downside of attention may be felt as everyone youve every known are tempted by bucks from the tabloids, who wish to print all about your past in the papers. Some people do well on fame and others are destroyed by it. So perhaps Im glad it doesnt come easier to most vloggers, I would find it very painful to see some of the unfortunates whose fame experience led to horrors in their life. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ze Frank was the closing keynote speaker at the annual STC conference this year, approx. 20,000 attendees of professional technical writers. So, um, he's *known.* --Stephanie On 6/20/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Markus was talking about Times person of the year issue where they named the person of the year as you. Are your friends familuar with YouTube? That's videoblogging. When you talk about things like most famous etc. Those are hard things to quantify. There are Videobloggers like Zefrank who is very famous in some circles but is virtually unknown in others. And he never did put his stuff on YouTube and yet the most popular YouTubers probably get way more views than he ever did--and it's very likely that few on this list had ever heard of them. What I'm saying is fame is relative. Some of us are famous to a few--which sounds like an oxymoron, but it's true in a way. But thats the world we live in now--even conventional definitions of what seem like simple things like fame don't really mean anything anymore. So what I'm saying is that your question isn't an easy one to answer. To someone not familuar with internet video none of us doing this is famous in the least. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS http://lofistl.com http://billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, oovooworld simon@ wrote: Well yes I'd heard I was mentioned but I was hoping someone else was kicking around with half the skill...its a lot of pressure to live with you know...sigh I don't know how I missed that issue of Time. Was it the same one that had the article reviewing George Bush's new pioneering green policy? Yahoo! Groups Links -- Stephanie Bryant Author, Videoblogging for Dummies [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Argh is this safari 3 beta browser Im using on the mac causing extra line breaks to be put at the end of enery line Im typing to this group? If so, apologies for the added strain of reading my recent posts, I'll have to go back to firefox. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe fame is very segmented these days. In an era where the mass media isnt quite so mass, and the rise of the long tail, there is less collective recognition of a limited set of people who are the megafamous. Its probably easy to overstate such things, but I guess it would potentially be especially true of something like videoblogging, compared to traditional sources of megafame like television, which will have a very slow and painful decline (or rebirth perhaps), rather than their fame vanishing overnight. The generation gap, in terms of certain elements of shared culture etc, has never been so big as it is now, Id guess? It wasnt like this when things like music were passed mostly person to person, folk-tastic. I dunno how things will pan out with this stuff and the internet, whether it will make everything more folksey and human again, whether it will send fame on a shrinking path, a race to the bottom where more people become famous but to less people. Will we reach a time where it is accepted as totally normal to have a fairly small number of viewers, and everyone can still thrive on this, rather than the exception of the highly viewed 'famous people' being seen so often as the goal and anything else as failure? Easy to say but this then ties in with ideas about how much people 'deserve' (or need) to get paid to vlog sustainably. I dont ever know how a question like 'who is the most famous xxx' can be answered. There cant be one definitive answer, normally. And with something like vlogging, someone could be famous for some other reason and then happen to do a videoblog. And my mum doesnt know any videobloggers, none of them are famous to her. But in other segments of society there are some famous vloggers. Fame eh, has anybody seen any videoblogs that say anything profound about the concept of fame? Right now Big Borther is on UK TV, ugh a bunch of people getting famous by being on tv, sometimes strangely compelling, usually a talent-free zone, yet people feel like they get to know these characters, creating a strangely intimate sort of fame? Either way if you urinate in the shower on big brother, you'l get a lot more fame than if you urinate on youtube. But then again the downside of attention may be felt as everyone youve every known are tempted by bucks from the tabloids, who wish to print all about your past in the papers. Some people do well on fame and others are destroyed by it. So perhaps Im glad it doesnt come easier to most vloggers, I would find it very painful to see some of the unfortunates whose fame experience led to horrors in their life. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ wrote: Ze Frank was the closing keynote speaker at the annual STC conference this year, approx. 20,000 attendees of professional technical writers. So, um, he's *known.* --Stephanie On 6/20/07, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: I think Markus was talking about Times person of the year issue where they named the person of the year as you. Are your friends familuar with YouTube? That's videoblogging. When you talk about things like most famous etc. Those are hard things to quantify. There are Videobloggers like Zefrank who is very famous in some circles but is virtually unknown in others. And he never did put his stuff on YouTube and yet the most popular YouTubers probably get way more views than he ever did--and it's very likely that few on this list had ever heard of them. What I'm saying is fame is relative. Some of us are famous to a few--which sounds like an oxymoron, but it's true in a way. But thats the world we live in now--even conventional definitions of what seem like simple things like fame don't really mean anything anymore. So what I'm saying is that your question isn't an easy one to answer. To someone not familuar with internet video none of us doing this is famous in the least. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS http://lofistl.com http://billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, oovooworld simon@ wrote: Well yes I'd heard I was mentioned but I was hoping someone else was kicking around with half the skill...its a lot of pressure to live with you know...sigh I don't know how I missed that issue of Time. Was it the same one that had the article reviewing George Bush's new pioneering green policy? Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Segmented fame. I like that! I'd rather 10,000,000 people watched 1,000,000 different videoblogs than 10,000,000 people watching the same 100. Or something like that. My math is off-- just work with me on this one. You get it, though, right? I don't know what an STC conference is, but being known to 20,000 tech writers is hardly impressive in the vast scheme of things. Millions upon millions of people don't know who Ze Frank is. Or any of us here. There is no most famous videoblogger. I imagine that declaring one (or even trying to) on this yahoo group would result in THE longest define videoblogging thread of all time! Feel free to have at it if y'all must. Personally, I mustn't. hugs, Bekah -- http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe fame is very segmented these days. In an era where the mass media isnt quite so mass, and the rise of the long tail, there is less collective recognition of a limited set of people who are the megafamous. Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ wrote: Ze Frank was the closing keynote speaker at the annual STC conference this year, approx. 20,000 attendees of professional technical writers. So, um, he's *known.* --Stephanie
[videoblogging] Re: Most famous vblogger
Good question. I don't know. The internet is so vast and there are several vlogs that have a big following. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, oovooworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just a random question to throw out there as I was trying to explain vblogging to my friend the other day... who would you say is the most well known vblogger out there - the best person to direct them to? I'm quite interested too! Thanks everyone.
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this is what they mean when they say the long tail someone is always famous to someone else. this phenom did not exist prior to internet On 6/20/07, terry.rendon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question. I don't know. The internet is so vast and there are several vlogs that have a big following. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, oovooworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just a random question to throw out there as I was trying to explain vblogging to my friend the other day... who would you say is the most well known vblogger out there - the best person to direct them to? I'm quite interested too! Thanks everyone. -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
