[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen any of these interviews, and only occasionally watch Rocketboom, so I haven't got upset about it. Okay, maybe Andrew's gone over to the dark side. But, to be fair, many others have made this kind of comment as well, and every time this group has leaped up to defend our artistic merit. With all due (and serious) respect to Michael and everyone else, perhaps we take ourselves a little too seriously? Sure, videoblogging in general is important as an expression of the fact that EVERYONE can make TV. There is real power in that, and as a phenomenon it will have major impact on the world. But, to be honest, when we look at individual vlogs, most of us (myself included) aren't that good at making TV. There's a reason why the folks in Hollywood get paid the big bucks: they're professionals. Over time, some of us will learn to make equally compelling content. But most of us are playing to niche audiences, and always will. I know that my videos are mostly interesting to my friends and family, people who like to look at images of Italy, Indians nostalgic for rumali roti, and a few other very small categories. That's fine with me. I'm making them mostly for fun and to see what I can do with the medium, not to prove a point or gain a large audience. There's nothing wrong with being out on the long tail, but we shouldn't feel dissed when someone points out that that's exactly where we are. My niche media may not appeal to you or yours to me, but we can each be sure that it appeals to someone out there. Most of us would agree that 99% of the entertainment available to us today is crap (though we don't all agree on which 1% is the good stuff). That proportion isn't going to change just because there's more of us making it. Yup, desktop publishing didn't produce a flood of design geniuses. ;) On 11/22/05, Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it's not like it was just one comment that was just not worded as well as he would have liked. He does it over and over again. It's got to stop. But read the other thread. Andrew doesn't see a problem here. He says he stands by everything he's said. Personally, I worked too hard and I've watched many of you work too hard to have to put up with that crap. It would be one thing if he was just voicing his personal dislike of a particular thing. But for the creator of the most downloaded videoblog to, time and time again, dismiss most of the rest of us every time he gets interviewed, well that's got to do some damage. Don't you think? -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On 11/23/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are not geneticaly limited to a certain way of producing media.Yet. -- Enric YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ronen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/23/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are not geneticaly limited to a certain way of producing media. Yet. -- Enric Hehe, wait until nanotech gets incorporated into bio. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Right now, almost nobody recognizes everything. If you want the publicity, you've got to do the legwork (and the file formats) to be recognized everywhere. I currently produce my videos in SWF for my site and most others, M4V for iPods, and high-quality WMVs for TV broadcast and Veoh. It's a pain in the butt, but it brings in the traffic.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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When you say it brings in the traffic, what kind of traffic are you talking about? Sometimes I wonder if people say, my traffic doubled... meaning that they went from 20 unique visitors in a day to 40. Which is likely skewed since you may have subscribers trying several different aggregators just for the heck of it (those doubled stats may simply be the same visitors, or at least considerable overlap). I'm not trying to knock anyone, just trying to understand statements like this as I really don't think there is a large enough sample to make such statistical claims. Also, what kind of statistics or reporting do you get from Veoh? -Josh On 11/22/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now, almost nobody recognizes everything. If you want the publicity, you've got to do the legwork (and the file formats) to be recognized everywhere. I currently produce my videos in SWF for my site and most others, M4V for iPods, and high-quality WMVs for TV broadcast and Veoh. It's a pain in the butt, but it brings in the traffic. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
Also, one other point to make... seeing a spike in statistics may mean very little (or at least may be pin pointed as uncharacteristic) if that spike is not sustained or representative of sustained growth. Trend analysis is always more important than random spikes. -josh On 11/22/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say it brings in the traffic, what kind of traffic are you talking about? Sometimes I wonder if people say, my traffic doubled... meaning that they went from 20 unique visitors in a day to 40. Which is likely skewed since you may have subscribers trying several different aggregators just for the heck of it (those doubled stats may simply be the same visitors, or at least considerable overlap). I'm not trying to knock anyone, just trying to understand statements like this as I really don't think there is a large enough sample to make such statistical claims. Also, what kind of statistics or reporting do you get from Veoh? -Josh On 11/22/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now, almost nobody recognizes everything. If you want the publicity, you've got to do the legwork (and the file formats) to be recognized everywhere. I currently produce my videos in SWF for my site and most others, M4V for iPods, and high-quality WMVs for TV broadcast and Veoh. It's a pain in the butt, but it brings in the traffic. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It's hard for me to do a good analysis because I don't have great tools for it (or time or money to fool with much more than I have). I can see raw numbers of SWFs, M4Vs etc. being downloaded, and see numbers of referrals from Mefeedia and numbers of hits from iTunes (Mac and Windows reported separately). I have no way of knowing, e.g., how many people who see my videos in iTunes then come to my site for more (as urged by the text at the end of all my new videos). My Feedburner count is low because a lot of people are signed up to my feed directly from my site version, and there's no easy way for me to change that now. So I'm looking at trends and trying to figure out what works. All I can say for sure is that I get a small but steady improvement in daily hit rates, probably as a result of ALL the various things I do to promote traffic. The corresponding improvement in Google Ad payments is nice, though far from allowing me to quit my day job. Good question on Veoh, I hadn't thought to look. I'll see what I can figure out. I also have no way of knowing if any viewers of nessuno.tv in Italy actually come to my site (or, for that matter, if anyone actually sees the show, buried at the far end of Sky's satellite channels). I do get a few hits here and there when my vlog is featured on their site. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mefeedia directory at http://mefeedia.com/feeds/ is a much better source to find good videobloggers - there are over 1200 videobloggers listed there. I think there are probably at least 500 out there that are not in Mefeedia yet. Cheers, Peter -- http://mefeedia.com Great. I'm there too, but mefeedia.com doesn't recognize .m4v, the annointed iPod video format as a legit video yet. So the ten videos I have up there aren't showing up. Mmm, that sounds like a bug, Mefeedia actually does support .m4v now. What's your feed? I'll check it. Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mefeedia also seems to be the most widely-referring vlog directory - it's well up in my list of referrers every day - I usually get more viewers/visitors from Mefeedia than iTunes. Yes, I make a point of it to add many links to your vlog if you are listed in Mefeedia (and the more your videos are tagged, the more links to your vlog). Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, one other point to make... seeing a spike in statistics may mean very little (or at least may be pin pointed as uncharacteristic) if that spike is not sustained or representative of sustained growth. Trend analysis is always more important than random spikes. -josh Josh is right, people get way to excited about a temporary change in stats. For example, we will *all* see an increase in traffic around the holidays. Why? Because that happens every year, *all* websites see an increase of traffic around the holidays. More people with time to kill. However, don't forget the big picture. Everyone on this list will see their traffic grow a lot over the next year. That's just big picture stuff: more interest in video. Another interesting point: any website will grow if you keep at it, because the internet grows. I have had various websites since 1998, and each one of them grows at least 50% in traffic every year. The internet just gets bigger :) Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Already I see a lot less traffic on Saturdays than any other day. So a lot of people are surfing my site from work. grin-- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:59:00 +0100, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh is right, people get way to excited about a temporary change in stats. For example, we will *all* see an increase in traffic around the holidays. Why? Because that happens every year, *all* websites see an increase of traffic around the holidays. More people with time to kill. And any non-american can tell you (that's the general you, since peter is non-american) about this strange thursday in november where the entire american blogosphere goes totally dead. It may be this coming thursday, actually. It's a very boring day because there's nothing new to read. :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Its very typical to see most traffic occurring during business hours. The bored-at-work-network at work. -josh On 11/22/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Already I see a lot less traffic on Saturdays than any other day. So a lot of people are surfing my site from work. grin-- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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supporting m4v in aggregators is as simple as adding another file extension to recognize and associate with quicktime player. not a big deal and i am sure if not now, any media aggregator will add this extension to the mix. nothing to be concerned about. On 11/22/05, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, but again, mefeedia does not recognize m4v extension.I'vegotten a lot of traffic from podguide.tv, which is a directory foriPod video casts.-Kent--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mefeedia also seems to be the most widely-referring vlog directory -it's well up in my list of referrers every day - I usually get more viewers/visitors from Mefeedia than iTunes. On 11/22/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The mefeedia directory at http://mefeedia.com/feeds/ is a much better source to find good videobloggers - there are over 1200 videobloggers listed there. I think there are probably at least 500 out there that are not in Mefeedia yet. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com http://www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com http://www.tvblob.com (work) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now.http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Another interesting point: any website will grow if you keep at it,because the internet grows. I have had various websites since 1998, and each one of them grows at least 50% in traffic every year. Theinternet just gets bigger :)Might be true, but growth also correlates to competition in some markets which can cause a decrease in traffic. A friend of mine had an online toy store running since 1996 and was successful... Now, barely anyone orders from his site, not because he doesnt keep up at it but because there are hundreds of other online toy stores and abay shops. The site barely makes money now... so bigger is not always better for everyone ;-) On 11/22/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Also, one other point to make... seeing a spike in statistics may mean very little (or at least may be pin pointed as uncharacteristic) if that spike is not sustained or representative of sustained growth. Trend analysis is always more important than random spikes. -joshJosh is right, people get way to excited about a temporary change instats. For example, we will *all* see an increase in traffic aroundthe holidays. Why? Because that happens every year, *all* websites see an increase of traffic around the holidays. More people with time to kill.However, don't forget the big picture. Everyone on this list will seetheir traffic grow a lot over the next year. That's just big picture stuff: more interest in video.Another interesting point: any website will grow if you keep at it,because the internet grows. I have had various websites since 1998,and each one of them grows at least 50% in traffic every year. The internet just gets bigger :)Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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supporting m4v in aggregators is as simple as adding another file extension to recognize and associate with quicktime player. not a big deal and i am sure if not now, any media aggregator will add this extension to the mix. nothing to be concerned about. This is exactly right. In fact, Apple was pretty shortsighted in making up a new file extension when there was no need to -- m4v is simply mpeg-4 with the wrong name (and if you name the file with an mp4 extension it will still play on the iPod). -Josh On 11/22/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: supporting m4v in aggregators is as simple as adding another file extension to recognize and associate with quicktime player. not a big deal and i am sure if not now, any media aggregator will add this extension to the mix. nothing to be concerned about. On 11/22/05, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, but again, mefeedia does not recognize m4v extension. I've gotten a lot of traffic from podguide.tv, which is a directory for iPod video casts. -Kent --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mefeedia also seems to be the most widely-referring vlog directory - it's well up in my list of referrers every day - I usually get more viewers/visitors from Mefeedia than iTunes. On 11/22/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mefeedia directory at http://mefeedia.com/feeds/ is a much better source to find good videobloggers - there are over 1200 videobloggers listed there. I think there are probably at least 500 out there that are not in Mefeedia yet. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com http://www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com http://www.tvblob.com (work) Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
http://vlog.kitykity.com I post a new video every day. Each one is an average of three minutes long. Some people may not think my content is interesting, but I tailor to an audience, I suppose... an audience of people like me... working moms, of course. Josh is right about traffic. Look at the big picture. When I go to the feedburner site, I always view statistics from the beginning of my vlogging time to now. Sure enough, the graph is going gradually up. I get an average of 5 more daily feed pings per week. Even if no one at all read my vlog, my most important audience is four people--two grandparents in Maine, and two grandparents in Texas. They love seeing their grandsugars on a daily basis. Susan --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been reading this group for the last week or so and have been officially video podcasting for a about the same time. What I find perplexing is the hand wringing over Rocketboom and it's perceived slights to the video podcasting community. 1. People have been trying to break into the television business by using streaming video for the last ten years. It's only been in the last year or so that there has been a tipping point of cheap broadband and easy access to video technology that allows people to really be creative. And radio stations have been trying to do the same thing with streaming their audio on the web. It was only with the invention of RSS and the ability to whip off an MP3 that podcasting and internet radio became a phenomenon. 2. Old media has money, and they solve problems with money. They're able to show up everyday with hours of fresh and good looking programming because they have money. Rocket Boom is the best in class video podcast. Not because it's clever, or has amazing production values, but because it shows up everyday. That consistency has a tremendous value. And I would say that anyone who is jealous of that or thinks they can do better to just do it. There is nothing stopping you. RB has a tremendous room for improvement -- as does any human endeavour. If you can do better, please do. Video blogging and video podcasts in general are enjoyable because they have immediacy and an unfiltered perspective that people crave. My favorite video podcast right now is http://TikiBarTv.com -- it has a really fun perspective that I don't see anywhere else and great production value. But it only comes out once a month. If their were RSS feeds for http://Homestarrunner.com and http://Roosterteeth.com I jump on them in a second. 3. The iPod video is the first mass appeal gadget designed to work with downloaded video. The PSP could do it before, but it's kind of a pain and Sony would prefer you bought UMD movies. The video iPod gives us as content creators a tool -- it plays on the Video iPod. Which means people with quicktime or players of similar compatibility (PSPs included) will also be able to see our work. 4. The real future for all of this is being able to send our video material not only to pocket level devices like iPods and PSPs, but when Tivos themselves will reed mRSS feeds and be able to subscribe to your favorite podcasts on your TV. 5. It seems obvious that the popular content producers will be co-opted by big media if they let themselves. While the artists and iconoclasts will remain small and personal. 6. We are in the period of video podcasting and video P2P sharing right now where music was 8 years ago. There's a lot of dedicated hobbyists out there who collect TV shows and movies from the net and trade them. But soon Big Media will aggressively enter this market. iTunes has started it, and the Howard Stern deal and others have started to make consumers comfortable with the idea of getting the shows they want when they want them, rather than being broadcast at an arbitrary time. 7. What does this all mean for this group of 1600ish people reading this? Get good at creating video that people want to watch. If you can establish yourself right now when there are less than 200 video podcasts on Podcast Alley you're going to have a better chance at 'winning' in the end. And what does winning even mean? Does it mean having podcast geeks swarm you like Dawn and Drew did at the Podcast expo? Getting a show on MTV? For me video podcasting is the synthesis of years of filmmaking and trying to break through into Hollywood. It allows me an avenue to find an audience without going through a gatekeeper. If people like what I'm doing they'll come back for more. -K -- Kent Nichols http://beatboxgiant.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
hmm, now why whould they do a thing like that? perhaps so they could change to another codec whenever they wish? so what does it mean that they don't want to be tied to .mp4 *or* .mov? Joshua Kinberg wrote: In fact, Apple was pretty shortsighted in making up a new file extension when there was no need to -- m4v is simply mpeg-4 with the wrong name (and if you name the file with an mp4 extension it will still play on the iPod). -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
They probably did it for 2 main reassons: 1) so they could associate .m4vs with itunes so that whe people double click them they arent played by some other app that knows nothing about the ipod. (which is what may happen with .mp4 when there are lots more mp4 player softwares available on windows) 2) To give the impression that quicktime 7 is doing something special and is required to make ipod footage, bringing in plenty of dollar for qt pro licenses. 3) To differentiate between h264 and mpeg4 a little, as we can be reasonably sure most m4v's are h264 rather than older mpeg4. Id really rather they hadnt used a new extension but its too late now Im pretty confident they wont change the codec type used on ipods away from mpeg4, it uses a standard mpeg4/h264 decoder chip made by another company. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, now why whould they do a thing like that? perhaps so they could change to another codec whenever they wish? so what does it mean that they don't want to be tied to .mp4 *or* .mov? Joshua Kinberg wrote: In fact, Apple was pretty shortsighted in making up a new file extension when there was no need to -- m4v is simply mpeg-4 with the wrong name (and if you name the file with an mp4 extension it will still play on the iPod). -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
Gosh, that is an interesting statistic--"less traffic on Saturdays". I put up my last vlog on Friday and thought the timing was great because on Saturday, I thought people would be off from work and would be spending more time on the Internet. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Deirdre Straughan To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling Already I see a lot less traffic on Saturdays than any other day. So a lot of people are surfing my site from work. grin-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
On 11/22/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And any non-american can tell you (that's the general you, since peter isnon-american) about this strange thursday in november where the entireamerican blogosphere goes totally dead. It may be this coming thursday, actually. It's a very boring day because there's nothing new to read. :o)But there is Indianapolis Colts football on that day, and yes it is this Thursday.I hope for your sake that your country was smart enough to buy the license for that game. Although it takes place during business hours, so maybe there isn't a big enough audience.There is also a department store here in NY that blows up giant balloons in the shape of comic strip characters and superheroes and santa claus and then pulls them down the streets with giant ropes. It's really all about giving thanks to God for these things, I think. Also something about genocide. The food is generally excellent.(10-0)AQ SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:47:03 +0100, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there is Indianapolis Colts football on that day, and yes it is this Thursday. I hope for your sake that your country was smart enough to buy the license for that game. Man... no. On Thursday I get Detroit Lions vs. Atlanta Falcons and following that I get Dallas Cowboys vs. Denver Broncos. There is also a department store here in NY that blows up giant balloons in the shape of comic strip characters and superheroes and santa claus and then pulls them down the streets with giant ropes. It's really all about giving thanks to God for these things, I think. Also something about genocide. The food is generally excellent. I understand. I prefer giant balloons, genocide and good food over blogging too. :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
The biggest reason for all this (in my opinion) is that neither FireANT nor Mefeedia have a 1-click subscribe link. Another reason is that most users (aka non-vloggers) are not aware of these apps. I assume that a 1-click button would help to promote them. iTunes on the other hand represents 52% of Ridertech readers, which are mostly non-vloggers. This makes me sad because I believe FireANT/Mefeedia are great and highly respect the developers behind these projects. Personally, I mainly use FireANT and only use iTunes to subscribe to those vlogs that I want to keep the videos. FireAnt will soon have a one click subscription and a new directory. i think Tunes get sthe big noise of courseand its great. they are helping get new people into subscribing to feeds, downloading videos, and watching them. the revolution has started. as the community gets bigger and more mature...more advanced people will want options that iTunes doesnt offer. the social features, an open directory, torrent support Its such an early time. mefeedia and FireAnt, the two tools that have grown out of this community, are really just gettting revved up. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
On 11/22/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mefeedia also seems to be the most widely-referring vlog directory - it's well up in my list of referrers every day - I usually get more viewers/visitors from Mefeedia than iTunes. How do u measure referrers, please? -- Thomas G HenryPhone: 845.22.88.555Skype: ThomasGHenryCommunity Mediahttp://ValleyVlog.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HVNewMedia/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
Im not defending the things Andrew has said but I'll sure as hell defend his right to say whatever he likes. Im really not liking the way you are pretty much demanding he change his ways. You dont like what he's said, fine. But are you demanding that he stop? Int it enough that rocketboom, Andre and Amanda get serious heat from sites like this? http://friendsofrocketboom.blogspot.com/ You are perfectly entitled to get upset, but should if affect what someone else says and does? I think the over the top way that some personal videobloggers respond to the slightest hint of criticism is likely to do just as much damage to the reputation of videoblogging as anything Andrew could ever say. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. That's why I get upset when the people from Rocketboom get interviewed and say that most videobloggers don't understand the weblog medium and that what we produce is little more than off-topic, unthreaded banter about night time dreams and trivial activities. You might think this is petty squabbling or humorous but I don't. Why? Because the kind of bull that Andrew keeps saying every time someone asks is the kind of stuff that creates a misconception that what's happening here isn't important. It says that what you have to say couldn't possibly be of interest to anyone and on top of that it's boring. And it's not like it was just one comment that was just not worded as well as he would have liked. He does it over and over again. It's got to stop. But read the other thread. Andrew doesn't see a problem here. He says he stands by everything he's said. Personally, I worked too hard and I've watched many of you work too hard to have to put up with that crap. It would be one thing if he was just voicing his personal dislike of a particular thing. But for the creator of the most downloaded videoblog to, time and time again, dismiss most of the rest of us every time he gets interviewed, well that's got to do some damage. Don't you think? Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
Very Cool, can't wait for new product launch! jad dummycast.com www.madpod.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest reason for all this (in my opinion) is that neither FireANT nor Mefeedia have a 1-click subscribe link. Another reason is that most users (aka non-vloggers) are not aware of these apps. I assume that a 1-click button would help to promote them. iTunes on the other hand represents 52% of Ridertech readers, which are mostly non-vloggers. This makes me sad because I believe FireANT/Mefeedia are great and highly respect the developers behind these projects. Personally, I mainly use FireANT and only use iTunes to subscribe to those vlogs that I want to keep the videos. FireAnt will soon have a one click subscription and a new directory. i think Tunes get sthe big noise of courseand its great. they are helping get new people into subscribing to feeds, downloading videos, and watching them. the revolution has started. as the community gets bigger and more mature...more advanced people will want options that iTunes doesnt offer. the social features, an open directory, torrent support Its such an early time. mefeedia and FireAnt, the two tools that have grown out of this community, are really just gettting revved up. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
Great, but again, mefeedia does not recognize m4v extension. Aha, I've found the problem. Mefeedia recognizes m4v extensions in the *next* version, but that isn't live yet, it will go live around next week Monday. Doh! I thought we'd already made that live... Let me know if next week it still doesn't work. Cheers, Peter -- http://mefeedia.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
On Nov 22, 2005, at 4:15 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: Im not defending the things Andrew has said but I'll sure as hell defend his right to say whatever he likes. Im really not liking the way you are pretty much demanding he change his ways. You dont like what he's said, fine. But are you demanding that he stop? I'm not demanding that he stop. I think it's important that he stop. On the rare occasion that I've been interviewed about videoblogging I have never even considered saying things like Rocketboom is boring, Who would want to watch that?, or videoblog 'shows' are just boring TV on the internet. Why have I not said those things? Two reasons: 1. I don't believe them to be true. 2. The importance of people being able to create and distribute their own media is way more important than whether or not I'm a fan of a particular genre. I just wish that Andrew, given the voice Rocketboom affords him in the media, could see that. Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
mefeedia and FireAnt, the two tools that have grown out of this community, are really just gettting revved up. Indeed. Of course Apple, Yahoo, Microsoft, you name it are building tools for videoblogging. The importance of independent tools lies in 2 things: 1) It shows the way to the big guys, then they just have to copy, but... 2) ...we build our values into our tools. This is the most important thing. For example, in FireAnt there is always a link back to the vlog. For example, all the open tools respect RSS. And so on... It is very easy and subtle to build closed technologies, the differences are often subtle but have a big effect. Apart from that, Mefeedia is right now just plain the best place to find videoblogs. Perhaps in a year from now, vlogs.yahoo.com will be the best place to find videoblogs, or perhaps not :) Who knows. But meanwhile I am committed to building the absolute best site I can, and to make sure all the videobloggers are represented in there. In a future of 1,000,000 television channels on the internet, it's important to have independent places where people can find videobloggers. Here's the deal: the Time Warners/MTVs/... of this world are busily working on building great places where you can find 1000s of hours of commercial video. Who will build the places where you can find the independent videobloggers? Not them. And apparently not Brightcove. Anyways, enough with the preaching already! I'll shut up now. Cheers! Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/eMf55D/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. The real future for all of this is being able to send our video material not only to pocket level devices like iPods and PSPs, but when Tivos themselves will reed mRSS feeds and be able to subscribe to your favorite podcasts on your TV. Going the opposite way, TiVo just announced it is expanding its video recording service so users will be able to transfer recorded TV shows onto iPods. http://tinyurl.com/ayarl -Matt --- http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com http://vlogmap.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
Mefeedia also seems to be the most widely-referring vlog directory - it's well up in my list of referrers every day - I usually get more viewers/visitors from Mefeedia than iTunes. On 11/22/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mefeedia directory at http://mefeedia.com/feeds/ is a much bettersource to find good videobloggers - there are over 1200 videobloggerslisted there. I think there are probably at least 500 out there that are not in Mefeedia yet.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Stop this petty Squabbling
Great, but again, mefeedia does not recognize m4v extension. I've gotten a lot of traffic from podguide.tv, which is a directory for iPod video casts. -Kent --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mefeedia also seems to be the most widely-referring vlog directory - it's well up in my list of referrers every day - I usually get more viewers/visitors from Mefeedia than iTunes. On 11/22/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mefeedia directory at http://mefeedia.com/feeds/ is a much better source to find good videobloggers - there are over 1200 videobloggers listed there. I think there are probably at least 500 out there that are not in Mefeedia yet. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com http://www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com http://www.tvblob.com (work) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
