[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Partner program explained...
Both of those are good articles. :) Bill http://BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A rather dejected take on YouTube's Partner Program... http://hellyerspuppetworkshop.blogspot.com/2008/02/youtube-partner-program-explained.html Kent has a good rundown here as well: http://kentnichols.com/2008/02/21/buying-the-cool/ I recently spoke to another partner with a high traffic track record and they said their best quarter in the program has been $500. $500 for three months and a million views. Awesome. (gulp). jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Make good videos and they will come. nathan miller www.bicycle-sidewalk.com --- sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think for many people, tossing videos up all over the place is just a way to get started. the value may come when you as a content creator find your voice/style/focus and start to get scattered subscribers or just awareness and attention which can gradually build up over a year or 2. in other words, value doesnt always have immediacy attached to it. so using the youtube etc despite bad terms can still be ok for many creators. others will never want to give away any content with undesirable terms. as a rule of thumb, i agree with jay... but surely there are many many videos that you can put out there that you can let go of. sull On 5/17/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't have to be one or the other. Just trying to see what people think the value of a YouTube viewer or subscriber is versus someone who has viewed and subscribed at your vlog. Why give Youtube so much power? as we know in the web 2.0 world, the barrier to entry is a server. jay BUT you are giving YouTube MUCH power by uploading a video to their site and thus, agreeing to (quote for YouTube TOS): However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. I'm 99.99% sure MSM has NOT agreed to these TOS and negotiated their own partner TOS, so why have vloggers? Again, leads me to the questions: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? -Frank -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? here's an example. we posted a video on our site: http://ryanishungry.com/2007/04/22/wendy-tremayne-and-mikey-sklar-green-pioneers/ Mikey (who's featured in the video) uploaded it to Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xO6YZa2ZB44 About 5,000 people watched the video on our site. About 50,000 people watched it through Youtube. (we must have been put on the front page) Is there a difference? I guess not really. We certainly got more relevant comments on our own site. Like Quirk says, its important to reach out beyond the communities we already know. I think its important to have your own site so you control your archives and context in which to watch your videos. But go ahead and put them other places and see how it works out. For Youtube, I find that the most regularly popular ones are more just people talking into webcams. people have discussions, arguments, joking etc. its extremely social. So again its not an either or for me... what i appreciate is when Mikey and Wendy (in the video) send it to all their friends because we helped tell their story. Word starts spreading and information is exchanged. Wendy is now here at Maker's Faire(http://makerfaire.com/) and said she had 5 people come up to her to find out about her project in NM. That's the connection I seek. with any creator...i think its important to make stuff with the audience you want to reach in mind. Just throwing it on youtube and expecting something to have effect just seems harmless at best. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). Still this particular example illustrates in my mind how much different shows being chucked together can create a strange impression. My initial reaction to podtechs green stuff has always been some internal revulsion and cynicism about greenwashing, due to the number of pictures of cars I am presented with. Well it seems that this is down to just one of the four shows that make up their 'clean tech' channel/whatever, yet it dominates the cover that I shoudlnt be judging the book by, but do. Anyway I was just using that as an example of the effects of themed shows being put together in some way, Im not trying to drag you into a discussion about that stuff in particular unless you want one of course ;) Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well put! So following on from what I was just waffling about, do you feel there are decent places to go to reach out to your potential audience, or do the directories other video hosting sites etc all seem to offer a similar, fairly generic and unfocussed, sense of community/audience? On the otherhand I know in the past quite a lot of people had problems working out what pidgeon hole they might fit into, or making assumptions about who the target audience is, what genre theirvlog is, etc. Its easier for themed shows of course, and so also easier for them to harness the traditional models of marketing, netowrking, etc? I dunno, I guess 'group' functions on the likes of youtube are part of the surrent solution, but I still find nearly everything and everyone quite randomly, perhaps I would like a structure imposed that cannot be done, I dunno, oh microcommunities where are ye? I mean do most peoples blogs get enough comments for the individual sites to feel like communities? Doesnt feel that way to me, generally, but maybe my expectations are out of whack. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? here's an example. we posted a video on our site: http://ryanishungry.com/2007/04/22/wendy-tremayne-and-mikey-sklar-green-pioneers/ Mikey (who's featured in the video) uploaded it to Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xO6YZa2ZB44 About 5,000 people watched the video on our site. About 50,000 people watched it through Youtube. (we must have been put on the front page) Is there a difference? I guess not really. We certainly got more relevant comments on our own site. Like Quirk says, its important to reach out beyond the communities we already know. I think its important to have your own site so you control your archives and context in which to watch your videos. But go ahead and put them other places and see how it works out. For Youtube, I find that the most regularly popular ones are more just people talking into webcams. people have discussions, arguments, joking etc. its extremely social. So again its not an either or for me... what i appreciate is when Mikey and Wendy (in the video) send it to all their friends because we helped tell their story. Word starts spreading and information is exchanged. Wendy is now here at Maker's Faire(http://makerfaire.com/) and said she had 5 people come up to her to find out about her project in NM. That's the connection I seek. with any creator...i think its important to make stuff with the audience you want to reach in mind. Just throwing it on youtube and expecting something to have effect just seems harmless at best. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Well put! So following on from what I was just waffling about, do you feel there are decent places to go to reach out to your potential audience, or do the directories other video hosting sites etc all seem to offer a similar, fairly generic and unfocussed, sense of community/audience? On the otherhand I know in the past quite a lot of people had problems working out what pidgeon hole they might fit into, or making assumptions about who the target audience is, what genre theirvlog is, etc. Its easier for themed shows of course, and so also easier for them to harness the traditional models of marketing, netowrking, etc? I dunno, I guess 'group' functions on the likes of youtube are part of the surrent solution, but I still find nearly everything and everyone quite randomly, perhaps I would like a structure imposed that cannot be done, I dunno, oh microcommunities where are ye? I mean do most peoples blogs get enough comments for the individual sites to feel like communities? Doesnt feel that way to me, generally, but maybe my expectations are out of whack. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? here's an example. we posted a video on our site: http://ryanishungry.com/2007/04/22/wendy-tremayne-and-mikey-sklar-green-pioneers/ Mikey (who's featured in the video) uploaded it to Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xO6YZa2ZB44 About 5,000 people watched the video on our site. About 50,000 people watched it through Youtube. (we must have been put on the front page) Is there a difference? I guess not really. We certainly got more relevant comments on our own site. Like Quirk says, its important to reach out beyond the communities we already know. I think its important to have your own site so you control your archives and context in which to watch your videos. But go ahead and put them other places and see how it works out. For Youtube, I find that the most regularly popular ones are more just people talking into webcams. people have discussions, arguments, joking etc. its extremely social. So again its not an either or for me... what i appreciate is when Mikey and Wendy (in the video) send it to all their friends because we helped tell their story. Word starts spreading and information is exchanged. Wendy is now here at Maker's Faire(http://makerfaire.com/) and said she had 5 people come up to her to find out about her project in NM. That's the connection I seek. with any creator...i think its important to make stuff with the audience you want to reach in mind. Just throwing it on youtube and expecting something to have effect just seems harmless at best. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
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Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay
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oh Jay, the Mighty Boosh is my favourite! it's on constant DVD in my house... :) On 5/18/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] trine.blogs.com twitter.com/trine
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Fun clip, I wish British TV looked like that, we are good at making weird funny TV over here but the usual crap still dominates the schedules, usually have to look quite hard to find gems. And now thanks to youtube I saw someone else really drinking Baileys from a shoe, oh joy! Im glad your deal with podtech has been good, it sounded fine at the time, and I am not really trying to suggest that their treatment of green stuff is some big issue. It was just a tiny personal observation that I was pondering on with the whole directory/community etc topic, networks, unintended side-effects and suchlike. Meanwhile I just popped over to ourmedia and noticed they've got channels stuff working now, JD Laisica said on May 16th You'll be seeing some major enhancements to Ourmedia in the days ahead, courtesy of Markus Sandy and the Outhink development team. Most significantly, we'll be rolling out a channels capability that will enable any person or organization to create a personal broadcasting network. Stay tuned for details Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay
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OH MY GOD! That was hilarious...I watched the Old Gregg Finalehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8eWOLd_q8NR=1too Made my friday evening. No need for happy hour now. Thanks! v.njoroge.ndonye On 5/18/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay -- regards, vincent.njoroge.ndonye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Great discussion - can't stop wondering: What is the value of a link back to your independent vlog (where you control the branding, experience, player, 100% of the advertising and cross-promotions, merchandising, etc.) versus a revenue share on a video destination site that doesn't offer you any of that control? To put it another way, what dollar value would you put on 1,000 regular users on your site versus 1,000,000 views on YouTube? Thanks, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-927-7841 (cell) http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover, Collect, and Enjoy great videos and podcasts Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adriana Kaegi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what other video sites offer better ad shares then youtube? just wondering, addy http://dearaddy.com --- Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent. http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php (via http://boingboing.net) this is extremely interesting. obviously John Battelle has a bias on youtube advertsing since he runs Federated Media. *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate headquarters. * Its tough to take these kinds of criticisms when you dont know who its from. I always question anonymous comments and articles. Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the savviest and the most commercial ones will move to other video sites that can provide better splits or signing bonuses. Creators will start to realize that their storytelling talents are rare and valuable. so true. I don't know the terms this round of authors were guaranteed by YouTube, but I do know that we were offered was okay money, but something that we've already surpassed. And then when you factor in merch sales, and the value of having our own users and pageviews on top of that and controlling our own brand, we're coming out miles ahead of a typical YouTube power user. I know Youtube can push mass traffic towards any video it chooses...but asking creators to dump their personal site is dangerous. I'd like to hear more about how Youtube feels about letting creators own their own content. Lots of questions. its up to us creators to educate each other and not settle for giving it all away. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June _ ___Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
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Hey Frank, I'm not sure about your question but I would like to put my videos anywhere i can get a 50/50 or better Rev Share and still own my content and control my brand. I get tens of thousands of views at YouTube but I get millions of views and thousands of dollars using Revver. I wish I could do the same with YouTube and other sites. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:08:35 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program Great discussion - can't stop wondering: What is the value of a link back to your independent vlog (where you control the branding, experience, player, 100% of the advertising and cross-promotions, merchandising, etc.) versus a revenue share on a video destination site that doesn't offer you any of that control? To put it another way, what dollar value would you put on 1,000 regular users on your site versus 1,000,000 views on YouTube? Thanks, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mailto:frank%40mefeedia.com com 310-927-7841 (cell) http://www.mefeedia: http://www.mefeedia.com .com - Discover, Collect, and Enjoy great videos and podcasts Our blog: http://mefeedia.: http://mefeedia.com/blog com/blog --- In videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Adriana Kaegi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what other video sites offer better ad shares then youtube? just wondering, addy http://dearaddy.: http://dearaddy.com com --- Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent. http://battellemedi: http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php a.com/archives/003630.php (via http://boingboing.: http://boingboing.net net) this is extremely interesting. obviously John Battelle has a bias on youtube advertsing since he runs Federated Media. *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate headquarters. * Its tough to take these kinds of criticisms when you dont know who its from. I always question anonymous comments and articles. Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the savviest and the most commercial ones will move to other video sites that can provide better splits or signing bonuses. Creators will start to realize that their storytelling talents are rare and valuable. so true. I don't know the terms this round of authors were guaranteed by YouTube, but I do know that we were offered was okay money, but something that we've already surpassed. And then when you factor in merch sales, and the value of having our own users and pageviews on top of that and controlling our own brand, we're coming out miles ahead of a typical YouTube power user. I know Youtube can push mass traffic towards any video it chooses...but asking creators to dump their personal site is dangerous. I'd like to hear more about how Youtube feels about letting creators own their own content. Lots of questions. its up to us creators to educate each other and not settle for giving it all away. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.: http://jaydedman.com com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfe: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ st.com/ Webvideo festival this June __ ___Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.: http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 com/collections/222 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I'd rather have 1,000 regular users as 1 million views on You Yube can be fleeting. What does Josh Leo have to say? He did several million a month or so ago on one on You Tube. Not to say he doesn't have 1,000 loyal viewers but I'll take the thousand. JCH http://www.jchtv.com/ Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great discussion - can't stop wondering: What is the value of a link back to your independent vlog (where you control the branding, experience, player, 100% of the advertising and cross-promotions, merchandising, etc.) versus a revenue share on a video destination site that doesn't offer you any of that control? To put it another way, what dollar value would you put on 1,000 regular users on your site versus 1,000,000 views on YouTube? Thanks, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-927-7841 (cell) http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover, Collect, and Enjoy great videos and podcasts Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adriana Kaegi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what other video sites offer better ad shares then youtube? just wondering, addy http://dearaddy.com --- Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent. http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php (via http://boingboing.net) this is extremely interesting. obviously John Battelle has a bias on youtube advertsing since he runs Federated Media. *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate headquarters. * Its tough to take these kinds of criticisms when you dont know who its from. I always question anonymous comments and articles. Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the savviest and the most commercial ones will move to other video sites that can provide better splits or signing bonuses. Creators will start to realize that their storytelling talents are rare and valuable. so true. I don't know the terms this round of authors were guaranteed by YouTube, but I do know that we were offered was okay money, but something that we've already surpassed. And then when you factor in merch sales, and the value of having our own users and pageviews on top of that and controlling our own brand, we're coming out miles ahead of a typical YouTube power user. I know Youtube can push mass traffic towards any video it chooses...but asking creators to dump their personal site is dangerous. I'd like to hear more about how Youtube feels about letting creators own their own content. Lots of questions. its up to us creators to educate each other and not settle for giving it all away. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June __ ___Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Cocktails and other good Craic!http://www.jchtv.com/ - Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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What is the value of a link back to your independent vlog (where you control the branding, experience, player, 100% of the advertising and cross-promotions, merchandising, etc.) versus a revenue share on a video destination site that doesn't offer you any of that control? To put it another way, what dollar value would you put on 1,000 regular users on your site versus 1,000,000 views on YouTube? why does it have to be one or the other? Unless Youtube is paying to license your content, and you agree to only host video on their site, then maybe this might make sense. (but dont give up ownership to your work!!!) Put the video on Youtube, but put it on you own site as well. Put it other places too. Why give Youtube so much power? as we know in the web 2.0 world, the barrier to entry is a server. jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
One billion dollars.1,000?! I'd like to see 100 firstit's great that they are sharing revenue but let's be honest for the vast majority of vloggers out there it's a non issueor maybe it's just a non issue to me.(shrug) Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great discussion - can't stop wondering: What is the value of a link back to your independent vlog (where you control the branding, experience, player, 100% of the advertising and cross-promotions, merchandising, etc.) versus a revenue share on a video destination site that doesn't offer you any of that control? To put it another way, what dollar value would you put on 1,000 regular users on your site versus 1,000,000 views on YouTube? Thanks, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-927-7841 (cell) http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover, Collect, and Enjoy great videos and podcasts Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adriana Kaegi a_kaegi@ wrote: what other video sites offer better ad shares then youtube? just wondering, addy http://dearaddy.com --- Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent. http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php (via http://boingboing.net) this is extremely interesting. obviously John Battelle has a bias on youtube advertsing since he runs Federated Media. *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate headquarters. * Its tough to take these kinds of criticisms when you dont know who its from. I always question anonymous comments and articles. Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the savviest and the most commercial ones will move to other video sites that can provide better splits or signing bonuses. Creators will start to realize that their storytelling talents are rare and valuable. so true. I don't know the terms this round of authors were guaranteed by YouTube, but I do know that we were offered was okay money, but something that we've already surpassed. And then when you factor in merch sales, and the value of having our own users and pageviews on top of that and controlling our own brand, we're coming out miles ahead of a typical YouTube power user. I know Youtube can push mass traffic towards any video it chooses...but asking creators to dump their personal site is dangerous. I'd like to hear more about how Youtube feels about letting creators own their own content. Lots of questions. its up to us creators to educate each other and not settle for giving it all away. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June _ ___Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Doesn't have to be one or the other. Just trying to see what people think the value of a YouTube viewer or subscriber is versus someone who has viewed and subscribed at your vlog. Why give Youtube so much power? as we know in the web 2.0 world, the barrier to entry is a server. jay BUT you are giving YouTube MUCH power by uploading a video to their site and thus, agreeing to (quote for YouTube TOS): However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. I'm 99.99% sure MSM has NOT agreed to these TOS and negotiated their own partner TOS, so why have vloggers? Again, leads me to the questions: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? -Frank -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
i think for many people, tossing videos up all over the place is just a way to get started. the value may come when you as a content creator find your voice/style/focus and start to get scattered subscribers or just awareness and attention which can gradually build up over a year or 2. in other words, value doesnt always have immediacy attached to it. so using the youtube etc despite bad terms can still be ok for many creators. others will never want to give away any content with undesirable terms. as a rule of thumb, i agree with jay... but surely there are many many videos that you can put out there that you can let go of. sull On 5/17/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't have to be one or the other. Just trying to see what people think the value of a YouTube viewer or subscriber is versus someone who has viewed and subscribed at your vlog. Why give Youtube so much power? as we know in the web 2.0 world, the barrier to entry is a server. jay BUT you are giving YouTube MUCH power by uploading a video to their site and thus, agreeing to (quote for YouTube TOS): However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. I'm 99.99% sure MSM has NOT agreed to these TOS and negotiated their own partner TOS, so why have vloggers? Again, leads me to the questions: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? -Frank -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
On 5/17/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? 1) Equal to the value of a subscriber by any other means, so long as all you care about is people who appreciate your work. 2) Finding an audience outside of this community, which can be (slightly) myopic at times. It's great to have a core group of subscribers who give feedback, criticism, and praise on your own site. But most people just want to see good videos and don't care about talking to the creator. I found that hard to believe at first, but it has proven true time after time. If you're lost you can look--and you will find me time after time -- Cyndi Lauper Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Yeah I don't know who wrote it. A lot of it rings true, but some of it is way, way off. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ronen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent. http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php (via http://boingboing.net) ### *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate headquarters. * *If they could, YouTube would love to become the next gatekeeper, the next network. And in fact they have, they've gently plucked their stars and anointed them with advertising dollars. And someday you too can be touched by their magic wand and granted the status of weblebrity if you pass the test. * *Our site has won a lot of awards, been seen tens of millions of times, and is one of the most subscribed to around. But somehow, it was left out when **YouTube Elevates Most Popular Users to Partnershttp://youtube.com/blog?entry=4b3PkL8HQcw **. Okay, that's cool. * *We were approached last year, sure. They talked all about how we should shut down our personal domain and run everything through their site, and how that soon they were going to add a podcast feature to the site. They asked us if we'd heard of podcasting? * *Um, yeah, we've created two of the most successful video podcasts, we responded. * *So that's the You in YouTube. They couldn't even be bothered to spend five minutes on our website to find out anything about us. Sweet. * *The biggest point of friction has been their opacity and lack of communication. I know they were in startup mode, but seriously, you'd think they'd want to foster good relationships with the people that were supplying the only legitimate content to their sites. We were the ones that were the new way -- the new media creators. * *And the big question for everyone was how are you going to make money? Well, we certainly were not making any green from YouTube. And until the last three months, they weren't publicly promising any cash to anyone. So what were we supposed to do? Just pray really hard that YouTube would someday pay us? That's sorta irresponsible. So we did what anyone would do, we started evaluating the opportunities that presented themselves and then took advantage of some of them. * *So when YouTube finally got its act together and offered us an advertising split, it was too low an offer. We were doing better without them. And with less strings. * *But seriously, why was that the first time they talked to us? Well actually they did ask for our mailing address early on, to send us T-shirts (they never arrived). * *If we had a dialog from when we really started to take off, this situation probably could have been avoided. But they talked to us once, knew nothing about us, and expected us to just be so pleased to be in business with them. * *Get over yourselves. * *Right now YouTube has a three tiered system, the top, or big media, the middle, indie content creators with audiences, and the bottom, random user submissions that get small numbers of views. * *At the top they've got some deals in place, but they're also getting sued in a big way. And the new company from Fox and NBC is also going to give a lot of competition. * *The bottom is pure long tail. The only money there is in the aggregation of content and selling ads against the massive volume of vids with low views. YouTube will continue to be king here. * *The middle is where our site lives, the indie content creators. This is the space that YouTube could just own, if they invested really heavily in terms of ad splits and career development. The terms that YouTube offers to these middle players will set the floor for what every other site has to offer the talented upstarts that create fun and entertaining shows. * *They need to be aggressive in identifying the new talent the people that can get more than 50k in views on their vids. And then bring them into the fold, help them. Let them know about podcasting, help them build a good merch operation, sell high value advertising against their content. * *This involves much more than they are doing now. Now they just elevate these indies into Partner status. Which means they give cross promotion on the site, the future promise of preroll/postroll ads, and a split of the advertising that appears on the page views on their site. * *What they are doing now is a short term play to get and keep the eyeballs of those indie shows. But what happens when those contracts are up? And the creators haven't really developed their careers? * *Some shows will stick with YouTube,
