[videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
The Sony is a much better camera than the GS 150. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I currently own a Panasonic PV-GS150 which kind of matches up with your Sony. A similar size. But I have started doing work that needs a it more quality and manual adjustments. So I thought a 24p might provide that film - documentary look. -- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rich, I've got a DVX100a. The footage from it looks great, but I find I also do alot of my vlogging from my Sony HC20 camera (alot cheaper).. just because it's easy to carry around, and you can even put it in your pocket. The DVX gets pretty close to looking like film, being that it shoots in 24p.. but i'm guessing you already knew that if you are looking at buying one.. :) I guess the real decision will come from finding out how you want to use the camera, or how you want the footage to look. Another thing to think about... *sound*. The xlr inputs on the DVX are great to have! -Chris -- http://www.chrisdanielvideos.com On 1/20/06, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to purchase a better MiniDV camcorder, but thought I would check with the forum to see what your opinions are. The one I like is the Panasonic AG-DVX100B MiniDV. Kind of expensive. Does anyone have other suggestions for similar featured camcorders? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
Bill- When is a rant a rant and when is a rant an education? Perhaps the latter applies here. Points well taken. In addition, I researched what I would need to post process the 24p as 24p. Not all NLEs can handle the native format. The ones that do tend to be on the high-end. Thanks for the education. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is kind of an issue with me. The DVX 100 has 24p but I find 24p to be over rated when it comes to getting a film look. When people talk about getting a film look on video they're talking about getting a film transfered to video look. The best ways to achieve this is A) to de-interlace which actually reduces your resolution because de-interlacing involves removing or blending in every other horizontal line. And B) to make fine adjustments to the gamma curves in your footage. If you know Photoshop or are a Photographer you'll know what I'm talking about. Video tends to have a harsher more evenly distributed gamma curve and film tapers more in the light and dark parts of your image. 24p tries to mimic the frame rate of film which is almost imperceptible if the footage is kept in a video format. And when you are capturing 24 frames per second you are capturing less information. than you would capture in 25fps (pal) or 29.97fps (ntsc). I want to start with the maximum image information posible and then have the choice to throw out stuff later if I want. One other reason some people think they need to shoot in 24p is because they think it helps when they are bumping up to film. It doesn't. When video is bumped up to film the process works the same if you shot 24p or 60i. And I don't care what kind of camera you shot with or how you shot it, MiniDV footage will never look like you shot on 35mm once you've bumped it up to 35mm. There all kinds of conversion issues you have too before you can even edit the stuff as well. So it all boils down to this: 24p is an unnecessary gimmick that is really just a pain in the ass. If you want a more 'filmish' look deinterlace (and a lot of web level compression already does this for you) and adjust your gamma curves if you can (one nice thing about the DVX 100 is that it can do this for you in camera). End of rant. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I currently own a Panasonic PV-GS150 which kind of matches up with your Sony. A similar size. But I have started doing work that needs a it more quality and manual adjustments. So I thought a 24p might provide that film - documentary look. -- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rich, I've got a DVX100a. The footage from it looks great, but I find I also do alot of my vlogging from my Sony HC20 camera (alot cheaper).. just because it's easy to carry around, and you can even put it in your pocket. The DVX gets pretty close to looking like film, being that it shoots in 24p.. but i'm guessing you already knew that if you are looking at buying one.. :) I guess the real decision will come from finding out how you want to use the camera, or how you want the footage to look. Another thing to think about... *sound*. The xlr inputs on the DVX are great to have! -Chris -- http://www.chrisdanielvideos.com On 1/20/06, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to purchase a better MiniDV camcorder, but thought I would check with the forum to see what your opinions are. The one I like is the Panasonic AG-DVX100B MiniDV. Kind of expensive. Does anyone have other suggestions for similar featured camcorders? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
I know I must be off my nut to respond to a general comment like that, but here goes... The comparison I was doing was they are about the same size and have similar abilities. I wasn't getting into a my cam is better than your cam. Both are rather point and shoot; easy to carry and if desired can be put into auto mode for casual use. Neither is on the level of the DVX100B. But thanks for the comment, it made me go look up the details on the HC20 (nice cam). I used http://www.camcorderinfo.com/ratings.php as suggested earlier in this thread to see details about several cams. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sony is a much better camera than the GS 150. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I currently own a Panasonic PV-GS150 which kind of matches up with your Sony. A similar size. But I have started doing work that needs a it more quality and manual adjustments. So I thought a 24p might provide that film - documentary look. -- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rich, I've got a DVX100a. The footage from it looks great, but I find I also do alot of my vlogging from my Sony HC20 camera (alot cheaper).. just because it's easy to carry around, and you can even put it in your pocket. The DVX gets pretty close to looking like film, being that it shoots in 24p.. but i'm guessing you already knew that if you are looking at buying one.. :) I guess the real decision will come from finding out how you want to use the camera, or how you want the footage to look. Another thing to think about... *sound*. The xlr inputs on the DVX are great to have! -Chris -- http://www.chrisdanielvideos.com On 1/20/06, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to purchase a better MiniDV camcorder, but thought I would check with the forum to see what your opinions are. The one I like is the Panasonic AG-DVX100B MiniDV. Kind of expensive. Does anyone have other suggestions for similar featured camcorders? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
Saturday, January 21, 2006, 12:59:20 PM, Bill Streeter wrote: This is kind of an issue with me. The DVX 100 has 24p but I find 24p to be over rated when it comes to getting a film look. When people talk about getting a film look on video they're talking about getting a film transfered to video look. If you are really interested in getting video to look like it came from film, there are a whole load of factors you need to take into consideration. There's too much to cover in a single post here, but I have collected a bunch of URLs that might help: http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Tech-Corner/f_rf_technology_corner.shtml http://www.urbanfox.tv/production/filmlookindex.htm http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=432433seqNum=6rl=1 http://www.stormforcepictures.com/howto-getthatfilmlook.php -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
Thanks for the new resources. I had seen the http://www.stormforcepictures.com/howto-getthatfilmlook.php page before but not the others. Great write-ups. To give you (and perhaps myself) a better sense of what I want the cam for, take a look at the F.E.M. site/project http://www.foureyedmonsters.com/ . That is the documentary style I am hoping for. It is crystal clear (at times); the lighting is tremendous and the angle/shots/cuts are done with effectiveness. It is a combo of in the field and in a controlled environment shots that really seem to work. So it may be that I am not looking for the film look but rather a cam that can record with sufficient technical quality and that I can adjust/set so that I can do whatever I need in the post process. Does any of this makes sense? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturday, January 21, 2006, 12:59:20 PM, Bill Streeter wrote: This is kind of an issue with me. The DVX 100 has 24p but I find 24p to be over rated when it comes to getting a film look. When people talk about getting a film look on video they're talking about getting a film transfered to video look. If you are really interested in getting video to look like it came from film, there are a whole load of factors you need to take into consideration. There's too much to cover in a single post here, but I have collected a bunch of URLs that might help: http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Tech-Corner/f_rf_technology_corner.shtml http://www.urbanfox.tv/production/filmlookindex.htm http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=432433seqNum=6rl=1 http://www.stormforcepictures.com/howto-getthatfilmlook.php -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
Again, it depends on how you plan to use the camera. If you want to only use it for videoblogging, you may want to choose a saller/less expensive camera. However, if you plan on using it for projects/short films, the DVX is a great choice. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is kind of an issue with me. The DVX 100 has 24p but I find 24p to be over rated when it comes to getting a film look. Tell that to George Lucas :) When people talk about getting a film look on video they're talking about getting a film transfered to video look. The best ways to achieve this is A) to de-interlace which actually reduces your resolution because de-interlacing involves removing or blending in every other horizontal line. And B) to make fine adjustments to the gamma curves in your footage. If you know Photoshop or are a Photographer you'll know what I'm talking about. Video tends to have a harsher more evenly distributed gamma curve and film tapers more in the light and dark parts of your image. You can adjust the gamma curves in camera w/ the DVX. 24p tries to mimic the frame rate of film which is almost imperceptible if the footage is kept in a video format. And when you are capturing 24 frames per second you are capturing less information. You're shooting in the same frame rate as film. than you would capture in 25fps (pal) or 29.97fps (ntsc). I want to start with the maximum image information posible and then have the choice to throw out stuff later if I want. One other reason some people think they need to shoot in 24p is because they think it helps when they are bumping up to film. It doesn't. When video is bumped up to film the process works the same if you shot 24p or 60i. And I don't care what kind of camera you shot with or how you shot it, MiniDV footage will never look like you shot on 35mm once you've bumped it up to 35mm. Agreed, I think the DVX footage looks more like 16mm film. There all kinds of conversion issues you have too before you can even edit the stuff as well. So it all boils down to this: 24p is an unnecessary gimmick that is really just a pain in the ass. Not a big problem if you have a NLE that handles the conversion for you. Just a matter of clicking on a few buttons. If you want a more 'filmish' look deinterlace (and a lot of web level compression already does this for you) and adjust your gamma curves if you can (one nice thing about the DVX 100 is that it can do this for you in camera). End of rant. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
Thanks for the new resources. I had seen the http://www.stormforcepictures.com/howto-getthatfilmlook.php page before but not the others. Great write-ups. To give you (and perhaps myself) a better sense of what I want the cam for, take a look at the F.E.M. site/project http://www.foureyedmonsters.com/ . That is the documentary style I am hoping for. It is crystal clear (at times); the lighting is tremendous and the angle/shots/cuts are done with effectiveness. It is a combo of in the field and in a controlled environment shots that really seem to work. So it may be that I am not looking for the film look but rather a cam that can record with sufficient technical quality and that I can adjust/set so that I can do whatever I need in the post process. Does any of this makes sense? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturday, January 21, 2006, 12:59:20 PM, Bill Streeter wrote: This is kind of an issue with me. The DVX 100 has 24p but I find 24p to be over rated when it comes to getting a film look. When people talk about getting a film look on video they're talking about getting a film transfered to video look. If you are really interested in getting video to look like it came from film, there are a whole load of factors you need to take into consideration. There's too much to cover in a single post here, but I have collected a bunch of URLs that might help: http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Tech-Corner/f_rf_technology_corner.shtml http://www.urbanfox.tv/production/filmlookindex.htm http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=432433 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
If you have the money that's a great camera. You could do a lot worse. But it also depends on what kind of stuff you'll be shooting. For personal video diary stuff most people find video enabled digital still cameras adequate. If this is the kind of stuff you plan on doing the DVX is way over kill. If you are doing more produced kind of stuff the DVX is great. But it still might be overkill if you are doing web only stuff. I've been eyeing the Panasonic PV-GS400 as I have read some really good things about it and it's very well priced. But if I had something like a daily personal diary video blog I'd be looking at digi still cameras. I couldn't afford tape for a daily vlog. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to purchase a better MiniDV camcorder, but thought I would check with the forum to see what your opinions are. The one I like is the Panasonic AG-DVX100B MiniDV. Kind of expensive. Does anyone have other suggestions for similar featured camcorders? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
Thanks. I currently own a Panasonic PV-GS150 which kind of matches up with your Sony. A similar size. But I have started doing work that needs a it more quality and manual adjustments. So I thought a 24p might provide that film - documentary look. -- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rich, I've got a DVX100a. The footage from it looks great, but I find I also do alot of my vlogging from my Sony HC20 camera (alot cheaper).. just because it's easy to carry around, and you can even put it in your pocket. The DVX gets pretty close to looking like film, being that it shoots in 24p.. but i'm guessing you already knew that if you are looking at buying one.. :) I guess the real decision will come from finding out how you want to use the camera, or how you want the footage to look. Another thing to think about... *sound*. The xlr inputs on the DVX are great to have! -Chris -- http://www.chrisdanielvideos.com On 1/20/06, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to purchase a better MiniDV camcorder, but thought I would check with the forum to see what your opinions are. The one I like is the Panasonic AG-DVX100B MiniDV. Kind of expensive. Does anyone have other suggestions for similar featured camcorders? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: camera suggestions ?
my 2 cents. i shoot video film for a living and so have access to all manner of shiny stuff. in smaller format DV cameras the 100A is hard to beat. it basically won over all the old pd-150 holdouts, and if you want 24P it pretty much set the standard and still seems to be the best. i've done some interesting projects with it, though have yet to try the 100B. panasonic is also coming out with the HVX-200 which will essentially add HD to the 100A - for not a huge price leap. but be forewarned, it'll only record HD to cards and those cards are still prohibitively expensive. that said, i'm with bill on this, though. i leave everything behind and shoot nearly everything on my vlogs with a now-ancient digital video-enabled still camera. i love the quality in it's low- techness (and it sets up interesting challenges: but that's a different story) and find that half the game is that it's always with me. daniel -- http://pouringdown.blogspot.com/ http://mookievlog.blogspot.com/ On Jan 20, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Bill Streeter wrote: If you have the money that's a great camera. You could do a lot worse. But it also depends on what kind of stuff you'll be shooting. For personal video diary stuff most people find video enabled digital still cameras adequate. If this is the kind of stuff you plan on doing the DVX is way over kill. If you are doing more produced kind of stuff the DVX is great. But it still might be overkill if you are doing web only stuff. I've been eyeing the Panasonic PV-GS400 as I have read some really good things about it and it's very well priced. But if I had something like a daily personal diary video blog I'd be looking at digi still cameras. I couldn't afford tape for a daily vlog. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to purchase a better MiniDV camcorder, but thought I would check with the forum to see what your opinions are. The one I like is the Panasonic AG-DVX100B MiniDV. Kind of expensive. Does anyone have other suggestions for similar featured camcorders? Yahoo! Groups Links --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude EVA] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude EVA] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
