Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
jay you are SO wrong. its a 12 year old kid, not a 17 year old kid! get your facts right. free john johansen! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Johansen On 9/1/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think people want, more than anything, the choice. The thing people hate about DRM is it being forced on them and limiting their fair use rights. I think that letting content creators choose how to publish their content is the way forward. DRM is never going to be a one size fits all solution to the problem. At the end of the day, even DRM is a tool that is useful to some people and will continue to be in the future. I would hope that no platform provider takes an absolute stance on the issue, but allows creators the freedom to build their content and their business model in a way that makes sense for them. Here's the real story: DRM doesnt work. companies spend thousands of hours building it, and millions of dollars implementing it. They do it through software and hardware. Then some 17 year old kids spend a weekend to crack it. So Richard's advice for blip to not waste time on DRM is a good one. if someone wants something bad enough, they're going to get it. We have Creative Commons licenses. Its clear...and its about trusting people to be smart and respectful. I dont need DRM to lock down my videos. Let's say someone grabs my videos and starts making millions of dollars first, I'd be pretty impressed...but then i'd hire a lawyer to take care of it. If someone is just being a dick by disrespecting my CC license, Ill let the community know. ultimately, if someone is a dick and doesnt care about reputation, not much i can do. But DRM is not for you and me.DRM is built for business. they want to make sure the little people dont get their greasy hands on their content. everyone is suspect. everyone is a criminal. forget creating goodwill with the people who keep them rolling in cash. people must be stopped. stop. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
jay you are SO wrong. its a 12 year old kid, not a 17 year old kid! 2007 - 1983 = 24 doh! Jon Lech Johansen (born November 18, 1983 in Harstad, Norway) :-) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jay you are SO wrong. its a 12 year old kid, not a 17 year old kid! get your facts right. free john johansen! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Johansen On 9/1/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think people want, more than anything, the choice. The thing people hate about DRM is it being forced on them and limiting their fair use rights. I think that letting content creators choose how to publish their content is the way forward. DRM is never going to be a one size fits all solution to the problem. At the end of the day, even DRM is a tool that is useful to some people and will continue to be in the future. I would hope that no platform provider takes an absolute stance on the issue, but allows creators the freedom to build their content and their business model in a way that makes sense for them. Here's the real story: DRM doesnt work. companies spend thousands of hours building it, and millions of dollars implementing it. They do it through software and hardware. Then some 17 year old kids spend a weekend to crack it. So Richard's advice for blip to not waste time on DRM is a good one. if someone wants something bad enough, they're going to get it. We have Creative Commons licenses. Its clear...and its about trusting people to be smart and respectful. I dont need DRM to lock down my videos. Let's say someone grabs my videos and starts making millions of dollars first, I'd be pretty impressed...but then i'd hire a lawyer to take care of it. If someone is just being a dick by disrespecting my CC license, Ill let the community know. ultimately, if someone is a dick and doesnt care about reputation, not much i can do. But DRM is not for you and me.DRM is built for business. they want to make sure the little people dont get their greasy hands on their content. everyone is suspect. everyone is a criminal. forget creating goodwill with the people who keep them rolling in cash. people must be stopped. stop. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
For the record, I would be opposed to ANY sort of DRM, or any other sort of tech road block for distributing my content. Please Blip.tv don't spend your time and energy making it more difficult for people to get to my content. The problem is, of course, that the DRM makes this assumption that the user is going to try and do something that I don't want them to do, whereas I believe the majority will respect my license, and, in any case, my main goal is to deliver it most efficiently to those people, not to block evil people. On the other hand, if you find anyone using my content inconsistent with ways I specify in my license, and it's relatively serious, than by all means I encourage you to try and stop it. So you're energy goes toward catching someone who has already violated terms. Of course, it may be (though I'm skeptical) that I will thwart more criminals by putting this road block up, but the trade off between screwing up a non-criminal's viewing experience, is not even close to the advantage of blocking illegal use. IMHO ... DRM is a bad strategy all around for stopping illegal/illicit/whatever uses of digital content and I have trouble imagining a case where I would be for it. (Although if anyone reads this whole email, they may very well come up with some example that would prove me wrong). ... Richard (captain anti DRM) On 8/31/07, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think some vloggers here would appreciate DRM technology that thwarts disreputable aggregators who disregard Creative Commons licensing. Steve Watkins wrote: DRM is understandably unpopular... -- Richard http://richardhhall.org Shows http://richardshow.org http://inspiredhealing.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
Don't worry, Richard. There's no DRM on our road map. However, your concern about DRM is that it has the unfortunate side effect of impeding your actual target audience. So you seem to be against crude, inexact DRM, and not the ideal type which would only be noticed by violators of the Creative Commons. Perhaps you just want better DRM? Richard (Show) Hall wrote: Of course, it may be (though I'm skeptical) that I will thwart more criminals by putting this road block up, but the trade off between screwing up a non-criminal's viewing experience, is not even close to the advantage of blocking illegal use.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
I think people want, more than anything, the choice. The thing people hate about DRM is it being forced on them and limiting their fair use rights. I think that letting content creators choose how to publish their content is the way forward. DRM is never going to be a one size fits all solution to the problem. At the end of the day, even DRM is a tool that is useful to some people and will continue to be in the future. I would hope that no platform provider takes an absolute stance on the issue, but allows creators the freedom to build their content and their business model in a way that makes sense for them. Wil On 1 Sep 2007, at 21:11, Charles Hope wrote: Don't worry, Richard. There's no DRM on our road map. However, your concern about DRM is that it has the unfortunate side effect of impeding your actual target audience. So you seem to be against crude, inexact DRM, and not the ideal type which would only be noticed by violators of the Creative Commons. Perhaps you just want better DRM? Richard (Show) Hall wrote: Of course, it may be (though I'm skeptical) that I will thwart more criminals by putting this road block up, but the trade off between screwing up a non-criminal's viewing experience, is not even close to the advantage of blocking illegal use. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
Charles, I don't really want perfect DRM. First, of course, it's hard to imagine it can be done, since the ones who want to violate it are really good at breaking it. But that's not a real argument, of course, since the perfect is hypothetical and, in any case, you are infinitely more expert and knowing what actually would be possible than me. This does have a practical implication, however, in the trade off between how much effort it would take someone, even with your skills, to make this perfect DRM, and how much that would take away time from all the other great things that you do. My deeper objection is philosophical - and really applies more to media that is bought (as opposed to what I mae that is free) - it's like, if I purchase a digital song, or, especially if I buy a physical device, I think my personal property rights are being violated if someone does something to degrade that device to stop some other criminal, who is not me. I'm sure if I spent more time thinking about it, I can imagine scenarios where I wouldn't want this and it's most likely some point on a continuum (there's an interesting analogy to gun ownership, that makes me a little suspicious of my own arguments), but, by and large I lean strongly away from the DRM sort of philosophy. ... Richard On 9/1/07, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry, Richard. There's no DRM on our road map. However, your concern about DRM is that it has the unfortunate side effect of impeding your actual target audience. So you seem to be against crude, inexact DRM, and not the ideal type which would only be noticed by violators of the Creative Commons. Perhaps you just want better DRM? Richard (Show) Hall wrote: Of course, it may be (though I'm skeptical) that I will thwart more criminals by putting this road block up, but the trade off between screwing up a non-criminal's viewing experience, is not even close to the advantage of blocking illegal use. -- Richard http://richardhhall.org Shows http://richardshow.org http://inspiredhealing.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
I think people want, more than anything, the choice. The thing people hate about DRM is it being forced on them and limiting their fair use rights. I think that letting content creators choose how to publish their content is the way forward. DRM is never going to be a one size fits all solution to the problem. At the end of the day, even DRM is a tool that is useful to some people and will continue to be in the future. I would hope that no platform provider takes an absolute stance on the issue, but allows creators the freedom to build their content and their business model in a way that makes sense for them. Here's the real story: DRM doesnt work. companies spend thousands of hours building it, and millions of dollars implementing it. They do it through software and hardware. Then some 17 year old kids spend a weekend to crack it. So Richard's advice for blip to not waste time on DRM is a good one. if someone wants something bad enough, they're going to get it. We have Creative Commons licenses. Its clear...and its about trusting people to be smart and respectful. I dont need DRM to lock down my videos. Let's say someone grabs my videos and starts making millions of dollars first, I'd be pretty impressed...but then i'd hire a lawyer to take care of it. If someone is just being a dick by disrespecting my CC license, Ill let the community know. ultimately, if someone is a dick and doesnt care about reputation, not much i can do. But DRM is not for you and me.DRM is built for business. they want to make sure the little people dont get their greasy hands on their content. everyone is suspect. everyone is a criminal. forget creating goodwill with the people who keep them rolling in cash. people must be stopped. stop. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main features of this release is being able to play Ogg video with the included cortado Ogg player. And on wordpress you can share the embed code of your videos so viewers can embed the video on their sites. To download only vPIP go to: http://vpip.org/ and select the document page for where you'll be installing vPIP. To download this version of vPIP with ShowInABox go to: http://showinabox.tv/wordpress/download/ and get The Whole Enchilada and just to be more clear why this new version of vPIP rocks like a crazy animal with superpowers: Enric included an Ogg player in vPIP...so if you provide an Ogg version, anyone can watch it without any installation. The embedded video will play like flash. The viewer wont know the difference. Why is this important? on the Showinabox list (http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box), we've been talking about Ogg which is an open source codecsimilar to Flash. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg) The big question is: what happens if Flash or Quicktime starts putting DRM in their codec? or starts putting in limitations we dont want? There's not much we could do. But Ogg, like wordpress, is infinitely malleable. Lots of challenges to overcome, but enric did a big thing by making the Ogg viewing experience seemless. That's an excellent point. Do we have specs on setting up Compressor for ogg output? Data Rate, etc? Or do you use the same settings as, say, MOV, but just switch the codec? -- billcammack http://realfans.tv The new vPIP also has a multiple embed-code generator, or Share. This lets the viewer choose which video format they want to embed on their site. a person might want the 320x240 Flash version. someone else might want to embed the 640x480 HD quicktime. choices! forward and onward. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
That's an excellent point. Do we have specs on setting up Compressor for ogg output? Data Rate, etc? Or do you use the same settings as, say, MOV, but just switch the codec? we need to do some testing using the QT plugin: http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html the default settings look really good. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
I see. You're right. Default looks good. I used export - movie to ogg from Quicktime player. It introduced a slight lag, maybe 1 or 2 frames with the video trailing the audio. That may have something to do with the FPS reading 48.01, or it may have something to do with watching it in Quicktime player, because it had to load the ogg as if it was translating the file. It didn't open automatically, like a quicktime file you have on your computer... rather, like a progressive download from the internet. I'll have to see how it plays in vPiP later today. -- billcammack http://realfans.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's an excellent point. Do we have specs on setting up Compressor for ogg output? Data Rate, etc? Or do you use the same settings as, say, MOV, but just switch the codec? we need to do some testing using the QT plugin: http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html the default settings look really good. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
I used export - movie to ogg from Quicktime player. It introduced a slight lag, maybe 1 or 2 frames with the video trailing the audio. That may have something to do with the FPS reading 48.01, or it may have something to do with watching it in Quicktime player, because it had to load the ogg as if it was translating the file. It didn't open automatically, like a quicktime file you have on your computer... rather, like a progressive download from the internet. I'll have to see how it plays in vPiP later today. yeah...see how it plays in the Ogg player that vPIP uses. you may also want to use VLC to playback Ogg files on your computer. Here's note from the developer. You cannot resize the exported Ogg video, but there is a wordaround: you can use it to export Ogg Theora directly from Final Cut, one limitation it still has right now is, that it does not provide options for resize, you can work around that by creating a new Sequence in the dimensions you want and place the Sequence you want to export inside that Sequence doing the scaling in Final Cut. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
not sure if this means what i think it means but: ...the big seller for Adobe is the ability to include in Flash movies so-called digital rights management (DRM) - allowing copyright holders to require the viewing of adverts, or restrict copying. from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6558979.stm not that flash is fun to convert for copying/remixing, but it is doable maybe in the future it won't be a possiblity for flash or quicktime either... On 8/30/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes its a good thing to support formats that are apparently unimpinged by patents, and where encoding and decoding stuff for the formats is available as open source. I dont think the example of DRM is a very likely future nightmare reason why people would abandon flash or quicktime, as support for DRM-content can coexist quite peacfully with all the non-DRM uses of stuff, but yes, there are reasons why people would want to back an open format that is free in multiple senses of the word. An example of people wanting to switch away from h264 in future would be if they put some silly licenses costs on content creators who use h264, when these terms are updated in 2010 or something. Or yeah if Adobe went insane and did something to flash player that made people not want it installed on their machines. If these sorts of things dont happen, then there arent too many reasons to assume ogg will go massive, but its nice to have it around and support for it in many tools, it is based on good principals and could be important in the future, depends how many corporations behave, and we know from human experience that we cant bank on them always being good corporate citizens. Am I right to assume the Ogg Theora video playback is provided by this java app? http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ Ive joined the showinabox google group but havent had a moment to post there yet, will take most of m future input on this stuff otver there from now on. I just encoded my first ogg file, using this quicktime plugin stuff: http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html It seemed to go ok, but it is late now and Im tired, so I will have to stop for tonight. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main features of this release is being able to play Ogg video with the included cortado Ogg player. And on wordpress you can share the embed code of your videos so viewers can embed the video on their sites. To download only vPIP go to: http://vpip.org/ and select the document page for where you'll be installing vPIP. To download this version of vPIP with ShowInABox go to: http://showinabox.tv/wordpress/download/ and get The Whole Enchilada and just to be more clear why this new version of vPIP rocks like a crazy animal with superpowers: Enric included an Ogg player in vPIP...so if you provide an Ogg version, anyone can watch it without any installation. The embedded video will play like flash. The viewer wont know the difference. Why is this important? on the Showinabox list (http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box), we've been talking about Ogg which is an open source codecsimilar to Flash. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg) The big question is: what happens if Flash or Quicktime starts putting DRM in their codec? or starts putting in limitations we dont want? There's not much we could do. But Ogg, like wordpress, is infinitely malleable. Lots of challenges to overcome, but enric did a big thing by making the Ogg viewing experience seemless. The new vPIP also has a multiple embed-code generator, or Share. This lets the viewer choose which video format they want to embed on their site. a person might want the 320x240 Flash version. someone else might want to embed the 640x480 HD quicktime. choices! forward and onward. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 -- Me http://RyanEdit.com Twitter--http://twitter.com/Ryanne Documenting Green http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
DRM is understandably unpopular, but lets not get too carried away with its implications. DRM mechanisms are already present in many of the formats people use today. It causes no problem at all for unprotected media. Its only a restriction if the content creator/distributor chooses to use it, so the issues it raises will not rear their ugly heads for any vlogger who is against DRM. DRM is probably incompatible with creative commons, but again this only applies if you decide to protect your stuff with DRM, you can still use formats that technically allow DRM, just dont use that feature. Now if it was virtually impossible to download flash files, then CC would be against the use of flash, as this is denying users rights to download and redistribute content, which is a central right in creative commons. What that BBC story was refering to the fact that Adobe announced a desktop player app that would make downloading flash video even easier, but to stop their customers who are not progressive, and believe in tight control, from totally going nuts, they've given them the option to use DRM to restrict things for the users. Again this will only affect content where DRM is being used. This stuff is all about business, and the old-fashioned ways of monetizing creative works, by attempting to levy a charge on their distribution. Vlogging is generally against that, and so DRM is largely irrelevant, a future nightmare scenerio where all content is locked down with DRM, seems highly unlikely as nobody cares about protecting all content, just content that wants to be protected. I know there was that case where Sony (I think) persued an over the top DRM strategy that backfired when they used a system that sucked and caused potential security breech to users who had the stuff installed, and perhaps this has confused the issue somewhat. Anyway Sony others probably learnt a painful lesson from that, and these days whilst DRM is far from dead, some have become more progressive about these issues, whilst others are at least balancing their appetite for control with the potential losses from using technology that sucks so bad it costs them customers. Its all about money, after all, and if protecting your content isnt part of the economy, nobody cares about forcing DRM on your stuff, DRM will not make your future hell. That is unless vloggers decide they actually want a bit more of DRM and the old ways of control. If the arse falls off the immature video advertising market, or people run out of other options, some people who make shows with an aim to make some proper dosh, might start looking at the old systems of controlled distribution and decide they want a piece of that action. I dont see many signs of this, although lots of people on this list have often been very hostile when others are rehosting their content, it seems to have been deemed as at the very least bad etiquette, and thus I occasionally waffle about how this competely contradicts creative commons principals, oh well. I suppose in the future, depending on how various 'new media networks' evolve, some vlogers may do deals where one of these networks becomes their publisher but they have a DRM policy or something else that places limits on redistribution of your show by others. I hate DRM and I hope the concept is gradually abandoned, but its just not any sort of threat or worry for vloggers, indeed it continues to give a real advantage to independent content, unburdened by it compared to shows that are on a DRM-loving network. There are musicians out there who would like to do stuff with their back-catalog but their publisher has a lot of say in that stuff and so they get thwarted if their publisher isnt progressive. Its darn frustrating for them, and the lesson is to read smallprint and consider wider implications before doing deals. Cheers Steve Elbows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure if this means what i think it means but: ...the big seller for Adobe is the ability to include in Flash movies so-called digital rights management (DRM) - allowing copyright holders to require the viewing of adverts, or restrict copying. from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6558979.stm not that flash is fun to convert for copying/remixing, but it is doable maybe in the future it won't be a possiblity for flash or quicktime either... On 8/30/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes its a good thing to support formats that are apparently unimpinged by patents, and where encoding and decoding stuff for the formats is available as open source. I dont think the example of DRM is a very likely future nightmare reason why people would abandon flash or quicktime, as support for DRM-content can coexist quite peacfully with all the non-DRM uses of stuff, but yes, there are reasons why people would want to back an open format that is free in multiple senses of the word. An example of people wanting to switch
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
I think some vloggers here would appreciate DRM technology that thwarts disreputable aggregators who disregard Creative Commons licensing. Steve Watkins wrote: DRM is understandably unpopular...
[videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
Well yes its a good thing to support formats that are apparently unimpinged by patents, and where encoding and decoding stuff for the formats is available as open source. I dont think the example of DRM is a very likely future nightmare reason why people would abandon flash or quicktime, as support for DRM-content can coexist quite peacfully with all the non-DRM uses of stuff, but yes, there are reasons why people would want to back an open format that is free in multiple senses of the word. An example of people wanting to switch away from h264 in future would be if they put some silly licenses costs on content creators who use h264, when these terms are updated in 2010 or something. Or yeah if Adobe went insane and did something to flash player that made people not want it installed on their machines. If these sorts of things dont happen, then there arent too many reasons to assume ogg will go massive, but its nice to have it around and support for it in many tools, it is based on good principals and could be important in the future, depends how many corporations behave, and we know from human experience that we cant bank on them always being good corporate citizens. Am I right to assume the Ogg Theora video playback is provided by this java app? http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ Ive joined the showinabox google group but havent had a moment to post there yet, will take most of m future input on this stuff otver there from now on. I just encoded my first ogg file, using this quicktime plugin stuff: http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html It seemed to go ok, but it is late now and Im tired, so I will have to stop for tonight. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main features of this release is being able to play Ogg video with the included cortado Ogg player. And on wordpress you can share the embed code of your videos so viewers can embed the video on their sites. To download only vPIP go to: http://vpip.org/ and select the document page for where you'll be installing vPIP. To download this version of vPIP with ShowInABox go to: http://showinabox.tv/wordpress/download/ and get The Whole Enchilada and just to be more clear why this new version of vPIP rocks like a crazy animal with superpowers: Enric included an Ogg player in vPIP...so if you provide an Ogg version, anyone can watch it without any installation. The embedded video will play like flash. The viewer wont know the difference. Why is this important? on the Showinabox list (http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box), we've been talking about Ogg which is an open source codecsimilar to Flash. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg) The big question is: what happens if Flash or Quicktime starts putting DRM in their codec? or starts putting in limitations we dont want? There's not much we could do. But Ogg, like wordpress, is infinitely malleable. Lots of challenges to overcome, but enric did a big thing by making the Ogg viewing experience seemless. The new vPIP also has a multiple embed-code generator, or Share. This lets the viewer choose which video format they want to embed on their site. a person might want the 320x240 Flash version. someone else might want to embed the 640x480 HD quicktime. choices! forward and onward. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
An example of people wanting to switch away from h264 in future would be if they put some silly licenses costs on content creators who use h264, when these terms are updated in 2010 or something. Or yeah if Adobe went insane and did something to flash player that made people not want it installed on their machines. If these sorts of things dont happen, then there arent too many reasons to assume ogg will go massive, but its nice to have it around and support for it in many tools, it is based on good principals and could be important in the future, depends how many corporations behave, and we know from human experience that we cant bank on them always being good corporate citizens. true. most people dont care about who makes the codecs. i guess its just interesting if our community were to start developing for it. kind if like how we started using wordpress.org. many blogs are becoming increasingly beautiful and amazing because of all the developing going on. Am I right to assume the Ogg Theora video playback is provided by this java app? http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ yep. I just encoded my first ogg file, using this quicktime plugin stuff: http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html we just found this today. It allows you to export to Ogg right out of FCP/iMovie/QT. i am pretty impressed with how good Ogg looks. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: vPIP 1.11 Beta (Ogg support share video) available
Share button ROCKS!!! :D -- billcammack http://realfans.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main features of this release is being able to play Ogg video with the included cortado Ogg player. And on wordpress you can share the embed code of your videos so viewers can embed the video on their sites. To download only vPIP go to: http://vpip.org/ and select the document page for where you'll be installing vPIP. To download this version of vPIP with ShowInABox go to: http://showinabox.tv/wordpress/download/ and get The Whole Enchilada For usage instruction see: http://wiki.vpip.org/index.php?title=Using_vPIP http://wiki.vpip.org/index.php?title=Using_Vlogsplosion and http://wiki.vpip.org/index.php?title=Playing_Flash About vPIP -- vPIP (video Playing In Place) dynamically embeds a link video after the viewer clicks on the link. Web pages load quickly with just image and text links. Then when the viewer clicks one of the links, it's replaced with the video. Clicking on another link closes the prior video and opens the new one. The supported video (and audio) formats are: * Quicktime o .mov o .mp4 o .mp3 (audio) o .smi or .smil o .3gp * Windows Media o .avi o .wmv o .asf o .wma (audio) * Flash o .swf o .flv o Ogg o .ogg ;), Enric -===- http://www.cirne.com http://www.vpip.org
