Re: [videoblogging] YouTube Partner program explained...

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

I didn't know Kent had a blog.

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A rather dejected take on YouTube's Partner Program...
>  >
>
> http://hellyerspuppetworkshop.blogspot.com/2008/02/youtube-partner-program-explained.html
>
>  Kent has a good rundown here as well:
>  http://kentnichols.com/2008/02/21/buying-the-cool/
>
>  I recently spoke to another partner with a high traffic track record and
>  they said their best quarter in the program has been $500. $500 for three
>  months and a million views. Awesome. (gulp).
>
>  jay
>
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Re: [videoblogging] YouTube Partner program explained...

[Jay dedman]

> A rather dejected take on YouTube's Partner Program...
>
http://hellyerspuppetworkshop.blogspot.com/2008/02/youtube-partner-program-explained.html

Kent has a good rundown here as well:
http://kentnichols.com/2008/02/21/buying-the-cool/

I recently spoke to another partner with a high traffic track record and
they said their best quarter in the program has been $500.  $500 for three
months and a million views.  Awesome. (gulp).

jay

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[videoblogging] YouTube Partner program explained...

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

A rather dejected take on YouTube's Partner Program...

http://hellyerspuppetworkshop.blogspot.com/2008/02/youtube-partner-program-explained.html

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Re: [videoblogging] Youtube Partner Program

[Patrick Cook]

Hi everyone:

On 5/16/07, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  in the end, creators must always make sure they keep ownership of all
>  their content.
>  everything should be temporary licensing deals.
>  if not, you're just an employee.
>
>  and just to shout out for personal videoblogging.
>  many of us will never see one ad cent for our personal videos.
>  and we'll change the world.

Which is EXACTLY why I'll soon be using places like YouTube and
LiveVideo as the sites they really are - Streaming archive viral video
sites.

Ohh sure, I may use their Flash player for the screen capture (This
will save on me having to do it myself), but I'll be certain to make a
downloadable archive available somewhere else so that people can
DOWNLOAD the video IN ADDITION to watching it on the website.

For my talk show, I'll have a place to upload my shows for storage
(PodcastPeople.com), another place for THE OFFICIAL show page (With an
off site RSS feed, I won't mind going back to Blogger for this if need
be), and another for the show's website (Geocities).

Seems like a lot I know, but in my book, it's worth it (It's A LOT
easier to redirect an iFrame embedded in an HTML page to a new URL if
need be than it is to change the URL for EACH & EVERY ring I'm a
member of on Webring).

In other words, you could say I'm taking a tighter control of the
content I produce and how its distributed given the rights I have
under the Creative Commons 2.0 License, which will be implemented and
put to use. :)

Just my $.02 worth :)

Cheers :D

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Re: [videoblogging] Youtube Partner Program

[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

Den 17.05.2007 kl. 01:22 skrev Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> and just to shout out for personal videoblogging.
> many of us will never see one ad cent for our personal videos.
> and we'll change the world.

I just want to rephrase that:

"Many of us will never want to see one ad cent for our videos - personal  
or not - and those are the videos that will change the world".

...and now back to your regular programming.

-- 
Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
http://www.solitude.dk/ >

Re: [videoblogging] Youtube Partner Program

[Adrian Miles]

around the 16/5/07 Jay dedman mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] 
Youtube Partner Program that:
>and just to shout out for personal videoblogging.
>many of us will never see one ad cent for our personal videos.
>and we'll change the world.

here here :-)

at moments like this it is valuable to remember that:

wordpress is free
rss was developed for free
apache (the thing that runs most webservers) is free
and so on.

most of the software infrastructure that has made all of this 
possible has come from a culture that values the sharing of knowledge 
(like this list). It is largely publicly funded (research grants, 
universities). It is a common good. Just like the spirit of that.
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Re: [videoblogging] Youtube Partner Program

[Jay dedman]

> what other video sites offer better ad shares then
>  youtube? just wondering,
>  addy
>  http://dearaddy.com

if youre a popular blog/videoblog...you can get much better than $5
per thousand views.
(this is the reported Youtube agreement, but hard to say since all all
anonymous)

This is Federated's whole schitck...they get popular creators
customized ad deals for bucks.
Blip also has a specialized program, but dont know the specifics.

in the end, creators must always make sure they keep ownership of all
their content.
everything should be temporary licensing deals.
if not, you're just an employee.

and just to shout out for personal videoblogging.
many of us will never see one ad cent for our personal videos.
and we'll change the world.

Jay





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Re: [videoblogging] Youtube Partner Program

[Adriana Kaegi]

what other video sites offer better ad shares then
youtube? just wondering,
addy
http://dearaddy.com
--- Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Here's a letter about youtube's new partner
> program, written by an anonymous
> >  youtube star who is certainly, definitely,
> Absolutely NOT Kent.
> >  http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php
> >  (via http://boingboing.net)
> 
> this is extremely interesting.
> obviously John Battelle has a bias on youtube
> advertsing since he runs
> Federated Media.
> 
> >  > *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I
> wasn't. They would like to
> >  > pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there
> are several roads to
> >  > financial and critical success that don't lead
> through their corporate
> >  > headquarters. *
> 
> Its tough to take these kinds of criticisms when you
> dont know who its from.
> I always question anonymous comments and articles.
> 
> 
> >Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the
> savviest and the most
> commercial ones will move to >other video sites that
> can provide
> better splits or signing bonuses. Creators will
> start to realize >that
> their storytelling talents are rare and valuable.
> 
> so true.
> 
> >I don't know the terms this round of authors were
> guaranteed by
> YouTube, but I do know that we >were offered was
> okay money, but
> something that we've already surpassed. And then
> when you >factor in
> merch sales, and the value of having our own users
> and pageviews on
> top of that and >controlling our own brand, we're
> coming out miles
> ahead of a typical YouTube power user.
> 
> I know Youtube can push mass traffic towards any
> video it
> chooses...but asking creators to dump their personal
> site is
> dangerous. I'd like to hear more about how Youtube
> feels about letting
>  creators own their own content.
> 
> Lots of questions.
> its up to us creators to educate each other and not
> settle for giving
> it all away.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Youtube Partner Program

[Jay dedman]

> Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous
>  youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent.
>  http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php
>  (via http://boingboing.net)

this is extremely interesting.
obviously John Battelle has a bias on youtube advertsing since he runs
Federated Media.

>  > *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to
>  > pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to
>  > financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate
>  > headquarters. *

Its tough to take these kinds of criticisms when you dont know who its from.
I always question anonymous comments and articles.


>Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the savviest and the most
commercial ones will move to >other video sites that can provide
better splits or signing bonuses. Creators will start to realize >that
their storytelling talents are rare and valuable.

so true.

>I don't know the terms this round of authors were guaranteed by
YouTube, but I do know that we >were offered was okay money, but
something that we've already surpassed. And then when you >factor in
merch sales, and the value of having our own users and pageviews on
top of that and >controlling our own brand, we're coming out miles
ahead of a typical YouTube power user.

I know Youtube can push mass traffic towards any video it
chooses...but asking creators to dump their personal site is
dangerous. I'd like to hear more about how Youtube feels about letting
 creators own their own content.

Lots of questions.
its up to us creators to educate each other and not settle for giving
it all away.

Jay



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[videoblogging] Youtube Partner Program

[Ronen]

Here's a letter about youtube's new partner program, written by an anonymous
youtube star who is certainly, definitely, Absolutely NOT Kent.

http://battellemedia.com/archives/003630.php
(via http://boingboing.net)

> ###
>
> *I'm a YouTube star, but YouTube wishes I wasn't. They would like to
> pretend I don't exist, rather than admit there are several roads to
> financial and critical success that don't lead through their corporate
> headquarters. *
>
> *If they could, YouTube would love to become the next gatekeeper, the next
> network. And in fact they have, they've gently plucked their stars and
> anointed them with advertising dollars. And someday you too can be touched
> by their magic wand and granted the status of weblebrity if you pass the
> test. *
>
> *Our site has won a lot of awards, been seen tens of millions of times,
> and is one of the most subscribed to around. But somehow, it was left out
> when "**YouTube Elevates Most Popular Users to 
> Partners
> **". Okay, that's cool. *
>
> *We were approached last year, sure. They talked all about how we should
> shut down our personal domain and run everything through their site, and how
> that soon they were going to add a podcast feature to the site. They asked
> us if we'd heard of podcasting? *
>
> *"Um, yeah, we've created two of the most successful video podcasts," we
> responded. *
>
> *So that's the You in YouTube. They couldn't even be bothered to spend
> five minutes on our website to find out anything about us. Sweet. *
>
> *The biggest point of friction has been their opacity and lack of
> communication. I know they were in startup mode, but seriously, you'd think
> they'd want to foster good relationships with the people that were supplying
> the only legitimate content to their sites. We were the ones that were the
> new way -- the new media creators. *
>
> *And the big question for everyone was how are you going to make money?
> Well, we certainly were not making any green from YouTube. And until the
> last three months, they weren't publicly promising any cash to anyone. So
> what were we supposed to do? Just pray really hard that YouTube would
> someday pay us? That's sorta irresponsible. So we did what anyone would do,
> we started evaluating the opportunities that presented themselves and then
> took advantage of some of them. *
>
> *So when YouTube finally got its act together and offered us an
> advertising split, it was too low an offer. We were doing better without
> them. And with less strings. *
>
> *But seriously, why was that the first time they talked to us? Well
> actually they did ask for our mailing address early on, to send us T-shirts
> (they never arrived). *
>
> *If we had a dialog from when we really started to take off, this
> situation probably could have been avoided. But they talked to us once, knew
> nothing about us, and expected us to just be so pleased to be in business
> with them. *
>
> *Get over yourselves. *
>
> *Right now YouTube has a three tiered system, the top, or big media, the
> middle, indie content creators with audiences, and the bottom, random user
> submissions that get small numbers of views. *
>
> *At the top they've got some deals in place, but they're also getting sued
> in a big way. And the new company from Fox and NBC is also going to give a
> lot of competition. *
>
> *The bottom is pure long tail. The only money there is in the aggregation
> of content and selling ads against the massive volume of vids with low
> views. YouTube will continue to be king here. *
>
> *The middle is where our site lives, the indie content creators. This is
> the space that YouTube could just own, if they invested really heavily in
> terms of ad splits and career development. The terms that YouTube offers to
> these middle players will set the floor for what every other site has to
> offer the talented upstarts that create fun and entertaining shows. *
>
> *They need to be aggressive in identifying the new talent the people that
> can get more than 50k in views on their vids. And then bring them into the
> fold, help them. Let them know about podcasting, help them build a good
> merch operation, sell high value advertising against their content. *
>
> *This involves much more than they are doing now. Now they just elevate
> these indies into Partner status. Which means they give cross promotion on
> the site, the future promise of preroll/postroll ads, and a split of the
> advertising that appears on the page views on their site. *
>
> *What they are doing now is a short term play to get and keep the eyeballs
> of those indie shows. But what happens when those contracts are up? And the
> creators haven't really developed their careers? *
>
> *Some shows will stick with YouTube, but the savviest and the most
> commercial ones will move to other video sites that can provide better
> splits or signing bonuses. Creators will start to realize that their
> storyt