Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
I've heard of this... so, you feel that the group is undergoing some passive-aggressive social dilemma here? i think when a few people stir up things and amp up the noise level... people will get flustered... it ripples. those who enjoy interacting using this list will find it hard to restrain from responding to some postings their is also the ego element... even when you denounce the big ego, in doing so publicly, it is almost no different. people like to be witty... some get too nasty. gotta keep balance... stay tuned, always. the numbers are in the back of our head... we see how many posts are made and how many people join the group.. it can subconsciously hype you... and that leads to potential brazenness. it's also summer. and hot most places... known to be a player in amplifying craze in all of us. any extreme weather, actually. i think things are ok... we have experienced social spikes (for good or bad) here before way it is. we should remember that what we write is being portentially read by over 1000 people... are some playing for an audience or just looking to talk the vlog? we need more video summer of vlog yo.. and I gotta get my act together. maybe I will do a rant piece today... sullOn 7/22/05, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've been reading The Tipping Point by Malcom Gladwell which is afascinating book.I just finished the chapter about groups of 150.For those of you who haven't read the book here's a quick summary ofthis idea via, http://tinyurl.com/45rhjTHE MAGIC NUMBER 150There seems to be some limitation built into us either by learningor by the design of the nervous systems, a limit that keeps our channel capacities in this general range (i.e. the human mindsinability to comprehend things beyond sets 7) George Miller TheMagical Number SevenThe figure of 150 seems to represent the maximum number of individuals with whom we can have a genuinely social relationship,the kind of relationship that goes with knowing who they are and howthey relate to us. Putting it another way, it's the number of peopleyou would not feel embarrassed about joining uninvited for a drink if you happened to bump into them in a bar. Robin Dunbar,1. Even relatively small increases in the size of a group [beyond150] creates a significant additional social and intellectual burden.2. The rule of 150 suggests that the size of a group is another one of those subtle contextual factors that can make a big difference.3. Peer pressure is much more powerful than a concept of a boss4. Transactive memory: we store information with other people.Since mental energy is limited, we concentrate on what we do best. 5. Groups of 150 are an organized mechanism that makes it fareasier for new ideas and information moving around the organizationto tip; to go from one person or one part of the group to the entiregroup all at once. So this got me thinking about how, it seems to me, the tone anddemeanor of the group has altered in the last couple of weeks.Now Iknow this group is larger than 1000 people but most don't post atall.To me the group feels like a group of the people who post regularly.So I went back and counted how many people posted atleast twice in the last month.My quick count - 145!Could it bethat this group is reacting not to any individual or small group ofposters but rather have we begun to reach the maximum number of individuals with whom we can have a genuinely social relationship?Verdihttp://michaelverdi.comhttp://freevlog.org Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -http://vlogdir.com -is- The Videoblog Directoryhttp://interdigitate.com -is- my personal site YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
First I wanted to post so that I have two this month, and will be counted in the group ... actually I wanted to point something out, that may be missing from all these conversations (though I'm sure others are thinking it). I love this group and I still get a lot out of it ... the positive, for me, still far outweighs the negative ... first of all, you can ignore the emotional/flame war threads if you want, but I admit I read them and watch my emotions and feel human and sort of enjoy it ... if nothing else what a great video Mel made that resulted from all the commotion ... I strongly recommend it, if you haven't seen it ... it's a classic ... http://melslife.org/archives/2005/07/20/dr-phil-can-you-please-help/ .. this video, to me, demonstrates a great attitude and perspective - by emphasizing the humor it diffuses all the built up drama our minds create - the thing is, none of it's real, it's just our minds, it's just life, it's funny, and we (including me) have an unfortunate tendency to identify with the drama our mind creates, rather than just watching and appreciating it ... ... anyway, this list is a bunch of very human humans, sure, but it's still great and I wouldn't think about un-subscribing for a second - unless I get kicked out for double posting and starting too many threads :) ... Richard, the Yahoo Vlog Group list lover On 7/22/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard of this... so, you feel that the group is undergoing some passive-aggressive social dilemma here? i think when a few people stir up things and amp up the noise level... people will get flustered... it ripples. those who enjoy interacting using this list will find it hard to restrain from responding to some postings their is also the ego element... even when you denounce the big ego, in doing so publicly, it is almost no different. people like to be witty... some get too nasty. gotta keep balance... stay tuned, always. the numbers are in the back of our head... we see how many posts are made and how many people join the group.. it can subconsciously hype you... and that leads to potential brazenness. it's also summer. and hot most places... known to be a player in amplifying craze in all of us. any extreme weather, actually. i think things are ok... we have experienced social spikes (for good or bad) here before way it is. we should remember that what we write is being portentially read by over 1000 people... are some playing for an audience or just looking to talk the vlog? we need more video summer of vlog yo.. and I gotta get my act together. maybe I will do a rant piece today... sull On 7/22/05, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've been reading The Tipping Point by Malcom Gladwell which is a fascinating book. I just finished the chapter about groups of 150. For those of you who haven't read the book here's a quick summary of this idea via, http://tinyurl.com/45rhj THE MAGIC NUMBER 150 There seems to be some limitation built into us either by learning or by the design of the nervous systems, a limit that keeps our channel capacities in this general range (i.e. the human minds inability to comprehend things beyond sets 7) George Miller The Magical Number Seven The figure of 150 seems to represent the maximum number of individuals with whom we can have a genuinely social relationship, the kind of relationship that goes with knowing who they are and how they relate to us. Putting it another way, it's the number of people you would not feel embarrassed about joining uninvited for a drink if you happened to bump into them in a bar. Robin Dunbar, 1. Even relatively small increases in the size of a group [beyond 150] creates a significant additional social and intellectual burden. 2. The rule of 150 suggests that the size of a group is another one of those subtle contextual factors that can make a big difference. 3. Peer pressure is much more powerful than a concept of a boss 4. Transactive memory: we store information with other people. Since mental energy is limited, we concentrate on what we do best. 5. Groups of 150 are an organized mechanism that makes it far easier for new ideas and information moving around the organization to tip; to go from one person or one part of the group to the entire group all at once. So this got me thinking about how, it seems to me, the tone and demeanor of the group has altered in the last couple of weeks. Now I know this group is larger than 1000 people but most don't post at all. To me the group feels like a group of the people who post regularly. So I went back and counted how many people posted at least twice in the last month. My quick count - 145! Could it be that this group is reacting not to any individual or small group of posters but rather have we begun to reach the maximum number of
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
On Jul 22, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: so, you feel that the group is undergoing some passive-aggressive social dilemma here? So for me, here's the point - when I joined this group at the end of November last year there were about 125 people in the group and probably 25-30 regular posters. It was intimate. It was like a small group of friends. To me it feels like it remained this intimate group of friends (though getting bigger every day) until about 6 or 8 weeks ago. Since then we've had a series of unpleasant events around E.L. Woody, 59 Bloggers, Adam Kontras, and Cheryl Shuman. I've definitely played a roll in this and have been trying to understand my own behavior and that of the group. At the same time I happen to be reading this book and notice a connection. I point it out only because I think that understanding something is the first part of gaining some facility for controlling it. I would love to see this group head back toward that feeling of an intimate group of friends rather than this kind of nasty free for all we kind of seem headed toward. So I point out this thing about 150 people just to say, maybe asking people to be more civil isn't going to be effective, maybe there is something else at work here. I don't have any answers. On Jul 22, 2005, at 10:47 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: The Magic Number being what any group 'tends' towards. With even 5000, perhaps, a fluxuating 145 will always speak up, and the rest, not Maybe we self regulate - I don't know. I dumped all my messages more than 6 weeks old so it's hard to count since I can't sort them in my mail program. One of the points in the book is that human groups often regulate their size by splitting into smaller groups. -Verdi http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
good points Eric Rice has posted an interesting video related to this http://blog.ericrice.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/21/1060030.html i think he's also speaking to all of us quite clearly markus andrew michael baron wrote: See here how all humans have problems and they come out QUITE CLEARLY in text, often more-so than in video! ... We all (150 at any time) do have these problems, Cheryl Shuman, I'm also talking to you. So take the cue from Ro, and get back here and lets stop all this nonsense and I look forward to seeing what everyone says about VIDEO! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org http://spinsummer2005.blogspot.com http://spinsummer2005meetup.blogspot.com http://vloggercuewest.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
The problem is more about the value of the group. What it produces and how helpful it is for readers.It seems that it's going in all directions between newbies who just created a vlog and long timers who split hair about some obscure feature from a software used by 2 people. Maybe splitting the group in 3 or 4 groups with different purposes? Chris SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
And I forget all the narcissists who want to share with the world how their Auntie Claudia was great at their last BBQ. Chris SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
If we split out all of the tech guys, whose gonna help the newbies? I say do all of this a s a last resort. Jack, who is now well above two entries this month On Jul 22, 2005, at 11:54 AM, Stephanie Bryant wrote: Chris, dude everyone on this list is a narcissist, to one degree or another. Anyway, some possible sub-groups that could evolve out of this one: 1) Vlogger-newbies: Make sure a core handful of old-timers spanning a broad range of technical expertise stay in the group and keep their eyes open to questions and help people out. 5) Vlogger-tech: Talking about changes in technology, bleeding edge, etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:54:16 +0200, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, some possible sub-groups that could evolve out of this one: And before someone goes out and creates all these groups keep these things in mind. - The forum vs. e-mail discussion has surfaced more than once. If you haven't been around that long it would be helpful to go back and read the old threads. - One split-off happened with the videoblogging_content group. The result was that many messages were cross posted between the two lists. What precautions do you propose so this won't happen again? - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
On 7/22/05, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a possible 8th: Vlogger-reviews: People post commentary about the vlogs they're watching, or reviews of vlogs, just as long as it doesn't become a critique group or a recurring OMG, Verdi is teh bestest!!! (i.e., re-reviewing the same vlogs over and over and over) I'd love to see that group happen. One of the big things I use this group for is to find new stuff, but the deluge of messages makes that less likely. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
