Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive?
MXF? ;-)On 11/4/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question. In Mefeedia, I could fairly easily provide an XML feed ofevery feed's total archive. The problem is: what format? RSS wasn'treally made for this. If I provide an RSS feed, it would be quitelarge for some feeds, and if aggregators start hitting those every hour, I could have a real bandwidth problem on my hands... So anysuggestions? It seems that an OPML file wouldn't really work for people...I'd be happy to do this. I'm launching a new version of Mefeedia on Monday anyway (with some new goodies), so now's a good time :)Peter--http://mefeedia.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive?
OPML is an outline format primarily used for exchanging lists of feeds between aggregators. It can have other uses too, but generally it does not. Dave Winer would like to change this since OPML is his baby. Most engineers will tell you that OPML is poorly architected, and they're right for many reasons that I won't discuss here. For this specific case -- exploring archives from blogs/vlogs -- the most workable solution seems to be to use the Atom API, since every blog entry has a corresponding Atom entry. See a description of how this should work here (towards the bottom): http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/06/16/dive.html?page=last Additionally, technologies like OpenSearch describe ways of returning search results as Atom or RSS entries. If blogging tools move further towards full Atom support, many of these things will become more possible. Here's an example of how to build in OpenSearch capability into MovableType: http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2005/03/opensearch_stan.html Building these tools into the blog engines will make it much easier for search engines, spiders, and other clients to access archives and histories of weblogs. -Josh On 11/3/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kent Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desire: I'd like to watch the entire video archive from a vlogger. Problem: RSS feeds were designed to only update the most frequent vlog posts. Solution: A software developer puts together a program so that vloggers can enter in the titles, HTML bodies, and URLs from their archives month-by-month. It would generate a XML text file that can be used by FireANT or iTunes to download the archive. The XML text file would need to be stored somewhere online to be pointed to -- and it wouldn't have to necessarily be the vlogger's site. It'd just have to be online somewhere. Then you could use feedburner to point to this XML file (i.e. static RSS feed) -- or if you've already have the RSS 2.0 enclosure capability, then just directly point to the file. Then each vlogger could post a link on their site the these Archive Feeds so that their second-wave audience could easily subscribe to a whole month's feed and catch up. This seems like a useful enough feature for Blogspot, typepad, wordpress, and Drupal to build into the software side so that we won't have to worry about doing it by hand in the future. In the meantime, individual vloggers would be responsible for generating the XML text files for each month of their archive -- or paying someone else to do it for them. Maybe this is a feature that blip.tv or someone else could put together for current videos. Doesn't seem too difficult technically -- just a lot of copying and pasting for the vloggers. Any Thoughts? Anyone willing to persue this? Thanks, -Kent Bye. http://www.echochamberproject.com I haven't looked at the OPML spec, but this sounds similar to many of OPML's capabilities. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPML: OPML (Outline Processor Markup Language) is an XML format for outlines. Originally developed by Radio UserLand as a native file format for an outliner application, it has since been adopted for other uses, the most common being to exchange lists of RSS feeds between RSS aggregators. The OPML specification defines an outline as a hierarchical, ordered list of arbitrary elements. The specification is fairly open which makes it suitable for many types of list data.See also: http://www.opml.org/ -- Enric YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive?
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:04:29 +0100, Kent Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any other thoughts? Why not just go to the blog? Blogs provide monthly archive pages (most do anyway) or some other way of browsing the content. That way you don't have to sit and wait because you're only downloading the video you want to watch. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive?
Andreas is right. let's not get too glued to one way of consuming media.also, an author might package all archived videos in a compressed file format and let people download that file. or, like peter said, pay for a cd of dvd. On 11/3/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:04:29 +0100, Kent Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any other thoughts?Why not just go to the blog? Blogs provide monthly archive pages (most do anyway) or some other way of browsing the content. That way you don't haveto sit and wait because you're only downloading the video you want towatch.- Andreas--URL: http://www.solitude.dk/Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive?
Thursday, November 3, 2005, 10:38:15 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: Why not just go to the blog? Blogs provide monthly archive pages (most do anyway) or some other way of browsing the content. That way you don't have to sit and wait because you're only downloading the video you want to watch. Except that: (a) a lot of videoblogs embed auto-staring videos in the archive pages, so if your intention is to download them you have to keep stopping the [EMAIL PROTECTED] things from playing. I few months ago I wanted to watch *all* of Rocketboom, and the embedded players got tiresome real quick. In the end I reverse engineeered their URL naming scheme and wrote a litte Ruby script to try one, wait a random amount of time between 2 and 10 minutes, then move on to the next. Hacky, but it worked. (b) a lot of blogging software has archive navigation that sucks. Finding the first video post is often effectively impossible, and most archives don't have any way of simply stepping forward to the next one. This is extra difficult in mixed-media blogs, too. In my opinion any blog with a show concept or a natural ordering or sequence ought to provide some way for people to start from the beginning and catch up at their own rate. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive?
Is the best solution: a) Change a blog template, educate people on how to design good navigation on their blog or b) Create some new XML format that contains the exact same data, and try to get it adopted I haven't seen 'a lot' of videoblogs with embedded video with autoplay. All blogging software I've ever seen provides monthly archive pages in their default setup. Click on the oldest one and you'll be at the first post. Many blogging software packages provides 'next' and 'previous' links for individual entries as well (see a default Wordpress install for example). I my experience the problems you have are not all that common... - Andreas On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:09:08 +0100, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thursday, November 3, 2005, 10:38:15 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: Why not just go to the blog? Blogs provide monthly archive pages (most do anyway) or some other way of browsing the content. That way you don't have to sit and wait because you're only downloading the video you want to watch. Except that: (a) a lot of videoblogs embed auto-staring videos in the archive pages, so if your intention is to download them you have to keep stopping the [EMAIL PROTECTED] things from playing. I few months ago I wanted to watch *all* of Rocketboom, and the embedded players got tiresome real quick. In the end I reverse engineeered their URL naming scheme and wrote a litte Ruby script to try one, wait a random amount of time between 2 and 10 minutes, then move on to the next. Hacky, but it worked. (b) a lot of blogging software has archive navigation that sucks. Finding the first video post is often effectively impossible, and most archives don't have any way of simply stepping forward to the next one. This is extra difficult in mixed-media blogs, too. In my opinion any blog with a show concept or a natural ordering or sequence ought to provide some way for people to start from the beginning and catch up at their own rate. -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive
Kent, Check out the links to the Atom spec and the OpenSearch format I posted previously. They directly adress your concerns. Now the quest is to get these tools adopted by the blogging software. Then they can be adopted by aggregators, spiders, search engines, and an ecology of supporting tools. -Josh On 11/3/05, Kent Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens when you discover someone who is 5 years into blogging? Read all their previous entries? There is more of a demand for archival Audio and Video, than for text in a blog. A year of Rocketboom would roughly be 13 hours worth of material. (52 weeks * 5 episodes/week * 3 minutes / episode) My wife and I have watched over 50 hours of 6 Feet Under in the last three months. It's not a very rewarding user experience to read through a year of blog posts compared to consuming rich media. So it's not that unreasonable to want to watch a large amount of old videos. Create some new XML format that contains the exact same data, and try to get it adopted I'm not proposing an entirely new XML format. Just merely a way to generate an XML text file that contains pointers towards a month's worth of archives so that I can point an aggregator to it and download it. All blogging software I've ever seen provides monthly archive pages in their default setup. I know. But again, no XML feed to point to an aggregator to. I my experience the problems you have are not all that common... You may have not run into this since you've probably already following all the feeds that you want to -- and for some time. But I'm a second-wave adopter and it's something that someone should be thinking about how to make something like this a relatively easy thing to do. I've already had a number of people tell me that, Yes. This is a problem. Anyway... PROPOSAL: It'd be great if someone took it upon themselves to create a XML text file that contains pointers to a month's worth of old videos. And test compliance with FireANT/iTunes to download all of the videos. Just like Red Hat can sells CD's with Linux on it. You pass on the rights to the person who 'buys' the CD. Didn't Wired magazine include a CD with Creative Commons works on it? Good point on this rights issue. I think Wired gave away the CD's for free with the issue. This is one solution, but I'd still prefer Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive?
While I have monthy archives like any blog at the lab, I've also set up these pages: 2004 Archive http://www.human-dog.com/lab/?page_id=165 2005 Archive http://www.human-dog.com/lab/?page_id=166 That work pretty well in laying out only the videoblogs in reverse chronological order. I've considered rerunning older posts in the main human dog feed, and I may do that. I may also set up a separate feed of just older material. Additionally, all the videos on human dog will eventually have a quick access page from the main site. That's what I've come up with---AND YOU?? Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Software to generate XML text file to download a vlogger's entire archive?
Also I have many really neat Stuffed Animal friends. Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Christopher Weagel wrote: While I have monthy archives like any blog at the lab, I've also set up these pages: 2004 Archive http://www.human-dog.com/lab/?page_id=165 2005 Archive http://www.human-dog.com/lab/?page_id=166 That work pretty well in laying out only the videoblogs in reverse chronological order. I've considered rerunning older posts in the main human dog feed, and I may do that. I may also set up a separate feed of just older material. Additionally, all the videos on human dog will eventually have a quick access page from the main site. That's what I've come up with---AND YOU?? Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
