Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Steve (and Mieser) for being respectful.My original pointthat was quickly set ablaze was that I'm tired of the same peoplegetting all the hype. The fact that the same people are getting all the press attention over and over again is not their fault. The mainstream media feeds on itself, and most reporters are apparently too lazy to actually seek out and watch different videoblogs on their own, so they just take a quick look at ones they've already heard of (from other reporters) and say Okay, I've done my research, now I can write about videoblogging. A tell-tale sign is that the first article to mention Ian Mills said he lives in Keynes, England, a place that doesn't exist - he lives in a town called Milton Keynes. Several other articles made the exact same mistake. What does that tell you about the quality of the research that went into them? Where does that leave the rest of us? Jealous, I admit it, but I don't BLAME Steve Garfield et al for getting publicity. Unless and until I get a mention in the press somewhere, I'll have to promote myself. Which I'm doing quite successfully. So, sure, it'd be cool to be mentioned in the newspaper (you'd think the Italian press would at least notice...), but I have my fans and I know how to reach them, and they're increasing in number, slowly but surely. It's the same thing as publicizing a video-less website. I could sit around and bitch about how some other site gets more traffic, or I can do the legwork to get the traffic to my site. Gues which approach actually works? -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls. http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm On Dec 16, 2005, at 2:09 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
cheeseman,i have an idea for you.i think you might have a theme for a vloggo make it happen.then let us know.sullOn 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Steve (and Mieser) for being respectful.My original pointthat was quickly set ablaze was that I'm tired of the same peoplegetting all the hype.It is funny how those were the same people (anda few of their friends) who quicky came to start the fire. Given my distaste for particular sites, the only thing I can do tohave an affect is to state my opinion and unsubscribe from their feed. That is my right.This sensativity and defensiveness is precisely the bullshit I'm disqusted by.In reaction, it gets me more fired up and causes thecomments to get harsher.As for Garfield labeling me a troll, that flat out pisses me off.This is coming from the biggest over-animated self-promoter here. Just look at that footer -Like Paul Revere, leading the mediarevlolution?What a joke.First of all Paul Revere didn't lead shit. He just announce the British were coming.Second, Garlfield is onlyone of many but publicly refers to himself as the leader.That is just weak.Isn't RSS leading the revloution?--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I think labelling someone a troll at this early stage could be seen as exactly the sort of defensive action that an 'old guard' network might take, thus providing evidence for his case. Its just too easy to dismiss people as trolls, what about the actual issues? I have some trouble with the whole definition of a troll. Nobody has ever declared what debates are allowed here or not. I am naturally incined to want to talk about difficult issues, precisely because they are not often talked about. I wish to treat the newcomer who has produced no video with exactly the same standards as Id apply to a long-term member. I wish all humans (myself included) were better at handling criticism. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls. http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm On Dec 16, 2005, at 2:09 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban mefrom this group. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog- http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
we need to stop taking ourselves, and each other, too seriously. please, guys and gals, let's not make this go the direction of the podcastosphere. where, in the end, a lot of feathers are ruffled over who did what at what time on wikipedia. :) I like Garfield, I like Watkins, and I like mancheesemo. Clearly, we belong to different schools of vlogging, and surely there will be a lot of angst over who gets mentioned in the mainstream media all the time, but hey, isn't this about how we can create our own media? personally, I don't care if you find my 10 minutes of talking to the camera boring. you are then, probably, not my target audience. is it that hard to get? :) i don't need to boycott someone just because I might find their content boring (= unrelevant for Me). regarding trolling and the such - personally I find a bit of disruption good. we need some disruption in any group. as long as people don't get all personal and - take each other or themselves Too seriously. now i will go and talk to the camera for ten minutes nonstop, without any makeup, any editing, or any fancy topic. you may go and make a well-produced 2-minute show. isn't it great that the internet has space for both of us? raymond On 12/16/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Labelling is innacurate either way, troll or old boys network.Peopleare volitional and create their future, so a label does not definewhat a person will be.But people label based on people's prior actions. -- Enric SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
On 12/16/05, R. Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now i will go and talk to the camera for ten minutes nonstop, without any makeup, any editing, or any fancy topic. I just got done talking to my bank on the phone for 10 minutes nonstop, in full makeup and costume, with 2 hot-lights and a boom mic, and a high powered fan blowing my hair back. It's my standard protocol for Friday evenings, and it should be yours too. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
Thank you Steve (and Mieser) for being respectful. My original point that was quickly set ablaze was that I'm tired of the same people getting all the hype. It is funny how those were the same people (and a few of their friends) who quicky came to start the fire. Given my distaste for particular sites, the only thing I can do to have an affect is to state my opinion and unsubscribe from their feed. That is my right. This sensativity and defensiveness is precisely the bullshit I'm disqusted by. In reaction, it gets me more fired up and causes the comments to get harsher. okay, everyone. the above statements are pretty telling. is this group really that petty to get our panties bunched up when someone new comes in and starts ridiculous accusations? lets wake the fuck up. please meet David Jr (mancheesemo). he's making himself known here in NYC, tearing a page from the celebrities by causing a stir wherever he goes. So Ill do him a favor and point you to his work. this may soon be the most famous man on the planet. http://www.davidjr.com/ (check out the bling bling) there are many people in this group who did a lot of work experimenting with videoblogging before anyone knew what it was. They did a lot of selfless teaching and spreading of the videoblogg love. They continue to do it to this day. Now that iTunes etc is making videoblogging/podcasting popularnew people are coming in who dont really care of what came before them. and thats their right. so those of us who have been around. we know who we are. isnt it cool it getting so out of control? its really happening. hahahhahaha Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing http://getFireAnt.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
Hey David Jr, I just looked up Paul Revere. http://darter.ocps.net/classroom/revolution/revere.htm You are right. Thanks for pointing that out. Changing my footer Look forward to watching your show on Tuesday at 10:30 at http://www.davidjr.com/tv On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:17 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: Just look at that footer - Like Paul Revere, leading the media revlolution? What a joke. First of all Paul Revere didn't lead shit. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
Sadly, David Jr. is benefiting from all this. For the record, I have no idea who the hell that guy is. He is from the East Coast and I'm in the Midwest. At first I thought this was rather amusing, but then realize how this furthers my point. Yet again, a sorry attempt to string someone up. if mancheesmo is not David Jr...i apologize for making the false connection. Im sending him an email now to make make things clear. guess this is what happens when dealing with anonymous persons. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing http://getFireAnt.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
Steve, I wouldn't change that signature. You are a promoter, someone who helps announce the existence of this new thing called vlogging. At a vlogging event, maybe you could dress up in costume and ride a horse toward the TV execs warning them:"The Vloggers are coming! The Vloggers are coming!" It would be good media. Bet your picture would make the papers :) Randolfe (Randy) Wickerhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Steve Garfield To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging) Hey David Jr,I just looked up Paul Revere.http://darter.ocps.net/classroom/revolution/revere.htmYou are right.Thanks for pointing that out.Changing my footerLook forward to watching your show on Tuesday at 10:30 at http://www.davidjr.com/tvOn Dec 16, 2005, at 3:17 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: Just look at that footer - Like Paul Revere, leading the media revlolution? What a joke. First of all Paul Revere didn't lead shit.--Steve-- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com--Steve-- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.comVideo Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.comText Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.comLike Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
Crack Kills!Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, I wouldn't change that signature. You are a promoter, someone who helps announce the existence of this new thing called vlogging. At a vlogging event, maybe you could dress up in costume and ride a horse toward the TV execs warning them:"The Vloggers are coming! The Vloggers are coming!"It would be good media. Bet your picture would make the papers :)Randolfe (Randy) Wickerhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/- Original Message - From: Steve Garfield To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging) Hey David Jr,I just looked up Paul Revere.http://darter.ocps.net/classroom/revolution/revere.htmYou are right.Thanks for pointing that out.Changing my footerLook forward to watching your show on Tuesday at 10:30 at http://www.davidjr.com/tvOn Dec 16, 2005, at 3:17 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: Just look at that footer - Like Paul Revere, leading the media revlolution? What a joke. First of all Paul Revere didn't lead shit.--Steve-- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com--Steve-- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.comVideo Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.comText Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.comLike Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution.MIck Ihttp://www.idvfilms.blogspot.comhttp://www.idvfilms.comAloha__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] TROLL ALERT (was Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging)
YOU WERE GIVEN A SOLEMN INVITATION offering you a right correct position for a PROPER DEFENCE! Pay attention, Asshole! http://www.evilvlog.com/?p=369 Chris Weagel Living it up with the GOOD OL' BOYS in our posh GOOGLE-FUNDED Suite! On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:52 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: No, this is what happens when people become overly defensive and look for a way to publicly ridicule someone. I'm not sure what anonymity you're talking about. I'm here communicating with you. Do I need a vlog to have an identity? Would you rather I give out my full name, social security number and date of birth so that you feel better about flaming me? Look at what you guys do to someone (David Jr) you don't like. Talk about vindictive. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, David Jr. is benefiting from all this. For the record, I have no idea who the hell that guy is. He is from the East Coast and I'm in the Midwest. At first I thought this was rather amusing, but then realize how this furthers my point. Yet again, a sorry attempt to string someone up. if mancheesmo is not David Jr...i apologize for making the false connection. Im sending him an email now to make make things clear. guess this is what happens when dealing with anonymous persons. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing http://getFireAnt.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
