[Videolib] L.A. plays itself
Hi, I've tried for years to get a copy of this film, but always heard it was held up in copyright Hell, and so I stopped trying. Yet, I see that many of you have a copy - How did you do that? Did you contact Thom Andersen at Cal Arts directly, or is there a distributor out there somewhere that I've totally missed? Rhonda Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media Access Services William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659 rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584| http://library.lmu.eduhttp://library.lmu.edu/ You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing wild animals as librarians. --Monty Python VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Some survey results
My experience is similar to Christine's, that is, we have and really like ASP and FMG - and they are convenient and cost-effective and are already well used even though our subscriptions are fairly recent. The use of the video databases includes some classroom use but likely more general use by students to obtain information on a topic in a similar manner to how books are used. Some of the titles that our faculty have requested to support teaching have been included in these resources so we haven't needed to acquire those specific titles individually. However many are not so we really need both models: database subscriptions as well as the ability to acquire individual titles. One of my goals is to move from acquiring individual titles on DVD to acquiring digital video files and working with our other staff in the library system to develop a plan to get the infrastructure in place to provide access to the digital video files. Developing the infrastructure takes resources which we don't seem to have enough of at the moment and therefore it hasn't been accomplished yet. The other road block is the higher cost of PPR for digital video files and often the need to track the license term. Marilyn CROWLEY, CHRISTINE wrote: I'm using ASP and FMG already and will definitely be doing Ambrose this coming year. They seem to have good prices for what they offer and the licenses are not unduly complicated. The content is terrific and covers broad spectrum of interests. I am way more interested in collections rather than trying to track down and keep track of individual titles and varying lengths of licensing--I simply don't have the staff to do this. Christine Crowley Dean of Learning Resources Northwest Vista College 3535 N. Ellison Dr. San Antonio, TX 78251 210.486.4572 office 210.486.4504 fax ccrowl...@alamo.edu Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc LIVE UNITED From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu on behalf of Jonathan Miller Sent: Tue 8/24/2010 5:15 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Some survey results Dear Gary Well, yeah. And if we offered to give it away that would be even more popular. (well maybe, not so many of you took us up on that offer, actually) A) there may have been problems with how some of the questions in the survey were constructed, but not, I think, the ones I reference and report on the results of below. B) The main companies that are streaming from their servers to users now, as far as I know, are not charging extremely high prices. Who is offering streaming now at Exorbitant prices and any of the usage is from them? Or are you saying FMG and Ambrose and New Day are charging exhorbitant prices? Is Alexander Street? Please be specific. Also you don't respond to the figures we DID collect, however un scientific (or do you know of a better scientific source of such info/data? I don't). So, let's round it off and try it this way: half or less of you are currently streaming media (from our sites or your own) And about half of the videolib universe would like to stream, when they do stream, from our sites - and half of you would like to / will / are able to do it yourselves. Does that sound right to you? AND, of the current media usage by video lib people out there - only a small part of it is streaming or digital so far, and most of it (well over 75%) is still DVD Do you those three 'conclusions' sound reason able to you? Thanks! JM Jonathan Miller President Icarus Films 32 Court Street, 21st Floor Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA tel 1.718.488.8900 fax 1.718.488.8642 www.IcarusFilms.com jmil...@icarusfilms.com -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:04 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Some survey results Hey Jon Interesting (if inconclusive) stuff. There are some logical flaws in this survey (and your conclusion) I think. The survey responses are, of course, based on services, content, and technology currently available. They're also based on current pricing schemes. The real question to ask, I think, would be how many of you would opt for subscribing to remote (i.e. vendor-side) access if: 1) network delivery were relatively stable for multiple concurrent users 2) image resolution were sufficient for study-level access 3) continuing access to individual titles were relatively stable (i.e. we could be sure that the carpet wouldn't be whisked out from under us whenever distributor/filmmaker contracts expired 4) pricing was flexible enough to allow both single-semester and longer term-access And the real kicker: how many would get into this business more earnestly (either for the short or long haul) if currently unrealistic pricing structure for digital delivery (including
Re: [Videolib] L.A. plays itself
We got ours directly from Thom gary handman Hi, I've tried for years to get a copy of this film, but always heard it was held up in copyright Hell, and so I stopped trying. Yet, I see that many of you have a copy - How did you do that? Did you contact Thom Andersen at Cal Arts directly, or is there a distributor out there somewhere that I've totally missed? Rhonda Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media Access Services William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659 rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584| http://library.lmu.eduhttp://library.lmu.edu/ You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing wild animals as librarians. --Monty Python VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Some survey results
Thank you Jonathan for this preliminary data. I agree with some of the comments and observations Gary offered in reply. Speaking for ASU, I know that what we do currently is not necessary what we would/will do under different pricing/hosting/license terms conditions. So I think this data is at best a snapshot, and all numbers in all categories will change dramatically over the next year/s. Pace University conducted a survey along these lines this year as well. I have seen no results from this survey yet. Mark Notess from Indiana University has also conducted a survey of academic library streaming practices. The results of that survey will be presented at the EDUCAUSE conference in October. It will be interesting to see how Notess' data compares to yours. -deg -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Arizona State University PO Box 37100 Phoenix, Arizona 85069-7100 Phone: 602.543.8522 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:04:04 -0700 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 33, Issue 64 Dear videlib universe As some of you noticed we recently did a survey asking some questions of our customers (hopefully you all ARE customers!) and some of the answers might be interesting. So far we received 76 responses. Of these: 1) 60% of you do NOT license streaming or download rights (40% do) 2) of those 82% license rights for more than one semester (one year term or longer) 3) so that is .82 x .40 = just 33% of you (?) license rights (for a year or more) 4) additionally, when you do license rights, 59% is from the distributor's web site, and 41% from your own or a local server. 5) broken down further: Of the 59% who do license rights from the distributor's web site, 12% do so as needed for a semester or one class, and 88% do so for a year or more Which, if my math and logic is correct(dicey) - that means that Only 59% of 82% of 40% of you a) license rights for a year or more AND b) access the digital files from the distributor's web site. Which is (Drum roll): only 19% of you actually need us to make available this sort of service? Interesting (?) results # 2: We asked what percentage of your media usage and expenditure is for online/streaming, vs. DVD purchases. Re usage: 85% of you said 20% or LESS 74% said 90% or MORE (44% said 100%!) Re expenditures: 81% said 20% or Less 78% said 90% or More I know it is a small and non-scientific sample. Maybe we should pretend it never happened. But - any thoughts on this? Thanks! Best, Jonathan Jonathan Miller President Icarus Films 32 Court Street, 21st Floor Brooklyn, NY 11201 USA tel 1.718.488.8900 fax 1.718.488.8642 www.IcarusFilms.com jmil...@icarusfilms.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] 3 days added to register! Creative Commons Licensing Seminar
Please excuse any duplication of this message = Greetings all, We have had such great interest, by request, we have extended the registration until the end of the week, 8/27. CREATIVE COMMONS LICENSING: an online seminar. http://cipcommunity.org/creativecommonsseminar. Join Michael Carroll on August 31, 2010, from 2:00 until 5:00 PM ET, as he discusses how Creative Commons licensing provides intellectual property flexibility to institutions and helps individuals easily manage their creative rights. Mr. Carroll, J.D., Washington College of Law, American University, is a founding member of Creative Commons and currently serves on its Board of Directors as an advisor to the Science Commons and ccLearn projects. Renew your Center for Intellectual Property membership or become a new member -- either yourself ($60) or your institution ($500) -- by August 23...and you may attend this free seminar and continue to take advantage of additional member benefits for the next year. NEW! INSTITUTIONAL MEMBERSHIP PRE-SALE. Rather than signing up as an individual member, you may want to encourage your institution to become a member of the CIP Community. For $500 a year, your entire institution may benefit from membership that includes: discounts on educational programming and consultation services; access to on-going free community conversations about copyright; legislative alerts; and access to the community file library. These benefits extend to all the institution employees. Visit our institutional membership page at http://www.cipcommunity.org/institutionalmembership for more details. If your institution signs up during this pre-sale, participation in the seminar on Creative Commons licensing is FREE for anyone employed at your institution. Contact us to find out how. Complete the membership the form at http://www.cipcommunity.org/membershipform for your community access today! -- Olga Francois, Assistant Director Center for Intellectual Property University of Maryland University College 3501 University Blvd. East, PGM3-780 Adelphi, MD 20783 Phone: 240-684-5803 or 1-800-283-6832, ext. 5803 Fax: 240-684-2961 ofranc...@umuc.edu http://cipcommunity.org/ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
