Re: [Videolib] Fair use and video document
Interesting that Jane Hutchison comment on the almost year old article the day before deg posted it. Correlated? The us vs. them language seems natural to me in an article devoted to exploiting fair use to the fullest. Overall seemed on target to me. Claire Stewart, member of the working group and fellow Evanstonian, coauthored Intellectual Property Law Interactive Media, Free For A Fee if you want to further devote your life to copyright law. Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web:www.filmideas.com On May 2, 2012, at 8:40 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: From: Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com Date: May 2, 2012 8:40:48 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Fair use and video document Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Well, deg's right that it'll probably cause some consternation among my people -- it's definitely inflammatory in its descriptions of distributors and the us versus them rhetoric and who owns the copyright law. I do appreciate the line near the end Not a single librarian revealed herself as being either cavalier about the law or dismissive of the market and know it to be the case among most but it would be nice to have some of the discussions we've had here about the balancing the needs of education versus the sustainability of producing new content. The lack thereof makes me want to set up fishing dates with Gary. :-) Dennis VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Fair use and video document
I wish Judy et al had vetted this survey via this list--one would assume a prime target. I'll admit to a rapidly failing memory, but I don't recall being asked to take this survey... The answers you get in a survey such as this MUST be assessed in light of who's doing the responding (i.e. the defined community). Given the rather insane and continuing paucity of professionals devoted either in significant part or whole to overseeing media collection development and management in academic libraries, and given the likely cloudy or incomplete understanding of current market and legal issues by those not directly involved in the practice, I think you gotta take such results with several grains of salt. Using community practice as the basis of best practice when the community surveyed is largely clueless ain't a particularly good way to go. Gary Well, deg's right that it'll probably cause some consternation among my people -- it's definitely inflammatory in its descriptions of distributors and the us versus them rhetoric and who owns the copyright law. I do appreciate the line near the end Not a single librarian revealed herself as being either cavalier about the law or dismissive of the market and know it to be the case among most but it would be nice to have some of the discussions we've had here about the balancing the needs of education versus the sustainability of producing new content. The lack thereof makes me want to set up fishing dates with Gary. :-) Dennis On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: At the risk of launching a messy can 'o worms I came across this today. I don't recall seeing it posted or announced anywhere else, even on this list... http://www.infodocket.com/2012/04/30/new-from-ala-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/ Link to the full document (as a web page): http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/ Before all hell breaks loose, I have not read the whole document carefully from beginning to end. But from my cursory read, it does not appear to be Code of Best Practices document. Instead, it reads to me as a report on what a study determined where the practices that librarians are using. I recall being interviewed for the project some time back. deg farrelly ASU Libraries Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 480.965.1403 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our other websites! www.comebackafrica.com www.yougottomove.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com/ Support Milestone Film on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivistshttp://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2012 Conference, Seattle, WA, December 4-7!http://www.amiaconference.com/ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Fair use and video document
Since my name was mentioned, I need to reply to this mention of the VRT's Fair Use and Video, Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries. This publication did not come out until this week so I could not have commented on it a year ago. I received it on the VRT listserv. I was not part of the group surveyed so I did not have any input into the community of practices. deg beat me in posting it to the listserv. I had not even mentioned it to deg. I have discussed it only in my CIP course on copyright that I'm currently taking with Kimberly Bonner. I suggest everyone take that course as you can never be too educated in copyright. I am finding the course very helpful in my work with faculty and my university. I do have a comment though. On reading the case studies, case 4, course based streaming says in their fair use argument that the nature of the copyrighted work. Section 110(2) allows for the streaming of entire non-dramatic works, so documentaries are entirely covered by this statute. I believe they left out a word and that word is important, it should read Section 110(2) allows for the streaming of entire non-dramatic literary works... This puts an entirely picture on streaming entire non-dramatic works. If I am reading this incorrectly, please let me know. Thanks, Jane Jane B. Hutchison Associate Director Member Instruction Research Technology CCUMC: Leadership in Media Academic Technology William Paterson University http://www.ccumc.org Wayne, NJ 07470 973-720-2980 (work) 973-418-7727 (cell) 973-720-2585 (facs) hutchis...@wpunj.edu From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Norris Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:31 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Fair use and video document Interesting that Jane Hutchison comment on the almost year old article the day before deg posted it. Correlated? The us vs. them language seems natural to me in an article devoted to exploiting fair use to the fullest. Overall seemed on target to me. Claire Stewart, member of the working group and fellow Evanstonian, coauthored Intellectual Property Law Interactive Media, Free For A Fee if you want to further devote your life to copyright law. Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email:b...@filmideas.com Web: www.filmideas.com http://www.filmideas.com/ On May 2, 2012, at 8:40 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: From: Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com Date: May 2, 2012 8:40:48 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Fair use and video document Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Well, deg's right that it'll probably cause some consternation among my people -- it's definitely inflammatory in its descriptions of distributors and the us versus them rhetoric and who owns the copyright law. I do appreciate the line near the end Not a single librarian revealed herself as being either cavalier about the law or dismissive of the market and know it to be the case among most but it would be nice to have some of the discussions we've had here about the balancing the needs of education versus the sustainability of producing new content. The lack thereof makes me want to set up fishing dates with Gary. :-) Dennis VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Fair use and video document
Gary, I don't believe there was there was a survey, the data was mostly gathered through focus groups and interviews. I participated in one of the focus groups, and while it's true that I'm relatively new to the profession, there were other people in the room who have been doing this for a long time and I wouldn't characterize them as being largely clueless. I'm curious, was there something in the report that lead you to that conclusion or are you just assuming? Also, even if these community practices don't always align with practices at the local level, because so many areas of copyright law are open to interpretation, and because different institutions have different administrative pressures that they have to respond to, I think a document that discusses community practices is very interesting. And if it's used as a tool leading towards best practices or even refinements in the law, even better. Weren't the DMCA anti-circumventions exemptions issued partly in response to feedback from stakeholders, including librarians? Cheers, Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian Clemons Library University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On 5/3/12 11:52 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: I wish Judy et al had vetted this survey via this list--one would assume a prime target. I'll admit to a rapidly failing memory, but I don't recall being asked to take this survey... The answers you get in a survey such as this MUST be assessed in light of who's doing the responding (i.e. the defined community). Given the rather insane and continuing paucity of professionals devoted either in significant part or whole to overseeing media collection development and management in academic libraries, and given the likely cloudy or incomplete understanding of current market and legal issues by those not directly involved in the practice, I think you gotta take such results with several grains of salt. Using community practice as the basis of best practice when the community surveyed is largely clueless ain't a particularly good way to go. Gary Well, deg's right that it'll probably cause some consternation among my people -- it's definitely inflammatory in its descriptions of distributors and the us versus them rhetoric and who owns the copyright law. I do appreciate the line near the end Not a single librarian revealed herself as being either cavalier about the law or dismissive of the market and know it to be the case among most but it would be nice to have some of the discussions we've had here about the balancing the needs of education versus the sustainability of producing new content. The lack thereof makes me want to set up fishing dates with Gary. :-) Dennis On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: At the risk of launching a messy can 'o worms I came across this today. I don't recall seeing it posted or announced anywhere else, even on this list... http://www.infodocket.com/2012/04/30/new-from-ala-community-practices-in -the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/ Link to the full document (as a web page): http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/ Before all hell breaks loose, I have not read the whole document carefully from beginning to end. But from my cursory read, it does not appear to be Code of Best Practices document. Instead, it reads to me as a report on what a study determined where the practices that librarians are using. I recall being interviewed for the project some time back. deg farrelly ASU Libraries Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 480.965.1403 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our other websites! www.comebackafrica.com www.yougottomove.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com/ Support Milestone Film on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivistshttp://www.amianet.org/ and like them on
[Videolib] Fair use and video document
At the risk of launching a messy can 'o worms I came across this today. I don't recall seeing it posted or announced anywhere else, even on this list... http://www.infodocket.com/2012/04/30/new-from-ala-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/ Link to the full document (as a web page): http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/ Before all hell breaks loose, I have not read the whole document carefully from beginning to end. But from my cursory read, it does not appear to be Code of Best Practices document. Instead, it reads to me as a report on what a study determined where the practices that librarians are using. I recall being interviewed for the project some time back. deg farrelly ASU Libraries Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 480.965.1403 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Fair use and video document
Well, deg's right that it'll probably cause some consternation among my people -- it's definitely inflammatory in its descriptions of distributors and the us versus them rhetoric and who owns the copyright law. I do appreciate the line near the end Not a single librarian revealed herself as being either cavalier about the law or dismissive of the market and know it to be the case among most but it would be nice to have some of the discussions we've had here about the balancing the needs of education versus the sustainability of producing new content. The lack thereof makes me want to set up fishing dates with Gary. :-) Dennis On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: At the risk of launching a messy can 'o worms I came across this today. I don't recall seeing it posted or announced anywhere else, even on this list... http://www.infodocket.com/2012/04/30/new-from-ala-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/ Link to the full document (as a web page): http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/ Before all hell breaks loose, I have not read the whole document carefully from beginning to end. But from my cursory read, it does not appear to be Code of Best Practices document. Instead, it reads to me as a report on what a study determined where the practices that librarians are using. I recall being interviewed for the project some time back. deg farrelly ASU Libraries Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 480.965.1403 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our other websites! www.comebackafrica.com www.yougottomove.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com/ Support Milestone Film on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426 and Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivistshttp://www.amianet.org/ and like them on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717 AMIA 2012 Conference, Seattle, WA, December 4-7!http://www.amiaconference.com/ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
