Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
I just got that email as well. (We purchased from a vendor that only sells to libraries.) I am very interested in hearing how others are handling this. Mary Hanlin Media Collection Development Librarian Tidewater Community College 120 Campus Drive, Portsmouth, Virginia 23701 P: 757-822-2133 F: 757-822-2149 mhan...@tcc.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM To: RG FIlms Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by sending this out, I'm afraid to say. Wish you had done a bit of investigation and thinking before hitting the send key. Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright law) If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon and other mass marketers) gary handman Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. Roy Germano On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in college/university libraries* (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqazahwwavawueatajwej/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC *Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyarahwwalawueapajwej/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsatahwwagawuealajwej/click.php* *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile http://ymlp175.net/u.php?id=gewumjbgsgjwejgqs Powered by YMLP http://ymlp175.net/m/ -- --- Steven Black Head, Acquisitions Division The Bancroft Library University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-6000 510-642-1320 t 510-643-2548 f sbl...@library.berkeley.edu Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
Sorry, I typed too soon; I'm really glad this listserv exists:) Mary Hanlin Media Collection Development Librarian Tidewater Community College 120 Campus Drive, Portsmouth, Virginia 23701 P: 757-822-2133 F: 757-822-2149 mhan...@tcc.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Hanlin Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:04 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu; RG FIlms Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice I just got that email as well. (We purchased from a vendor that only sells to libraries.) I am very interested in hearing how others are handling this. Mary Hanlin Media Collection Development Librarian Tidewater Community College 120 Campus Drive, Portsmouth, Virginia 23701 P: 757-822-2133 F: 757-822-2149 mhan...@tcc.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM To: RG FIlms Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by sending this out, I'm afraid to say. Wish you had done a bit of investigation and thinking before hitting the send key. Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright law) If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon and other mass marketers) gary handman Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. Roy Germano On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in college/university libraries* (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqazahwwavawueatajwej/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC *Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyarahwwalawueapajwej/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsatahwwagawuealajwej/click.php* *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile http
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I'm curious about how he knows what anyone paid for their copy if they didn't buy it from him. Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM To: RG FIlms Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by sending this out, I'm afraid to say. Wish you had done a bit of investigation and thinking before hitting the send key. Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright law) If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon and other mass marketers) gary handman Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. Roy Germano On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in college/university libraries* (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqazahwwavawueatajwej/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC *Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyarahwwalawueapajwej/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsatahwwagawuealajwej/click.php* *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile http://ymlp175.net/u.php?id=gewumjbgsgjwejgqs Powered by YMLP http://ymlp175.net/m/ -- --- Steven Black Head, Acquisitions Division The Bancroft Library University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-6000 510-642-1320 t 510-643-2548 f sbl...@library.berkeley.edu Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo On May 5, 2011, at 11:57 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by sending this out, I'm afraid to say. Wish you had done a bit of investigation and thinking before hitting the send key. Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright law) If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon and other mass marketers) gary handman Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. Roy Germano On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in college/university libraries* (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqazahwwavawueatajwej/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC *Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyarahwwalawueapajwej/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsatahwwagawuealajwej/click.php* *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile http://ymlp175.net/u.php?id=gewumjbgsgjwejgqs Powered by YMLP http://ymlp175.net/m/ -- --- Steven Black Head,
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Janice, I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens. Regards, Bob Norris Film Ideas On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: 4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo) From: jwoo j...@cca.edu Date: May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Cc: RG FIlms r...@roygermano.com, jcon...@berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand. I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD. She did not insist that we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the title in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we purchased it and how much we paid for it. Matthew Wright Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services William S. Boyd School of Law University of Nevada Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080 Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080 (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax) From: Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: 05/05/2011 01:41 PM Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu Janice, I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens. Regards, Bob Norris Film Ideas On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: 4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo) From: jwoo j...@cca.edu Date: May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Cc: RG FIlms r...@roygermano.com, jcon...@berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Well that is whole other kettle of fish. Overseas owners can get sensitive about that. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, matthew.wri...@unlv.edu wrote: I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand. I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD. She did not insist that we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the title in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we purchased it and how much we paid for it. Matthew Wright Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services William S. Boyd School of Law University of Nevada Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080 Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080 (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax) From:Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com To:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date:05/05/2011 01:41 PM Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu -- Janice, I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens. Regards, Bob Norris Film Ideas On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, *videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu*videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.eduwrote: 4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo) *From: *jwoo *j...@cca.edu* j...@cca.edu *Date: *May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT *To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Cc: *RG FIlms *r...@roygermano.com* r...@roygermano.com, * jcon...@berkeley.edu* jcon...@berkeley.edu *Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice* *Reply-To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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*Begin Soapbox* Personally, I think some filmmakers/producers need Business 101, Marketing 101, and Economics 101 if they want to make a living. This is the simplest issue of supply and demand...they don't even have to go to college, they can go to WalMart, or Target, or Sears, or any store out there, and I'm fairly sure they do since they need to eat. If the price is right, and ***there is an identified need (read demand)***, the product will sell. Otherwise it won't. Tell me who needs this film - what subjects it is appropriate for, and WHY - and if it fits in my institutions' areas of study, and I can afford it, I will buy it. I will NOT buy something just because it won a bunch of awards, or because it cost so much to produce - that is the filmmaker's risk, not mine. And our copyright scholar says NEVER, EVER pay extra for something that is covered under TEACH or copyright. When you do, you are building their case for them, which could come back to bite you in the future. Because I like them and want to support a filmmaker is no reason to give up my rights. *End Soapbox* Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
P.S I am going to email some of these posts to my guy who still thinks institutions should pay more even if all his titles are on Amazon, Midwest tape etc. Again he really means well but someone told him it was so. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: Well that is whole other kettle of fish. Overseas owners can get sensitive about that. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, matthew.wri...@unlv.edu wrote: I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand. I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD. She did not insist that we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the title in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we purchased it and how much we paid for it. Matthew Wright Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services William S. Boyd School of Law University of Nevada Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080 Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080 (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax) From:Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com To:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date:05/05/2011 01:41 PM Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu -- Janice, I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens. Regards, Bob Norris Film Ideas On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, *videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu*videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.eduwrote: 4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo) *From: *jwoo *j...@cca.edu* j...@cca.edu *Date: *May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT *To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Cc: *RG FIlms *r...@roygermano.com* r...@roygermano.com, * jcon...@berkeley.edu* jcon...@berkeley.edu *Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice* *Reply-To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
I don't disagree, but the problem is that two types of films or distribution of films has gotten confused because some sellers chose to again have their cake and eat it too. There are many companies whose product is geared exclusively to the academic market and frankly it is going to cost a lot more to buy that film than a copy of Citizen Kane. If there were tons of individuals or stores or streaming services out there wanting to buy a film about the effects of Rwandan genocide on one village or the issue of gerrymandering ( to selfishly use two films I work on) than it would be great and everyone could get one for $20. Alas there is not such an audience so films whose exclusive audience is the institutional market will cost more. Teachers and librarians will obviously have to decide if the material is worth it, but if it, is paying $200 or $300 for such a film should not be a deal breaker. If there is a film someone is likely to use in more than one class and or is likely to be needed in the library for research than WITHIN reason it should be bought. If only one student needs it than it would not be a good idea. If you don't want or need the film you do not have to buy it but filmmakers and distributors of specialized. non fiction materal will not be pricing titles at $20 for Amazon and if they do they have no one but themselves to blame when an institution buys it on Amazon. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Foster, Jennifer fost...@uhv.edu wrote: **Begin Soapbox** Personally, I think some filmmakers/producers need Business 101, Marketing 101, and Economics 101 if they want to make a living. This is the simplest issue of supply and demand…they don’t even have to go to college, they can go to WalMart, or Target, or Sears, or any store out there, and I’m fairly sure they do since they need to eat. If the price is right, and ***there is an identified need (read demand)***, the product will sell. Otherwise it won’t. Tell me who needs this film - what subjects it is appropriate for, and WHY – and if it fits in my institutions’ areas of study, and I can afford it, I will buy it. I will NOT buy something just because it won a bunch of awards, or because it cost so much to produce – that is the filmmaker’s risk, not mine. And our copyright scholar says NEVER, EVER pay extra for something that is covered under TEACH or copyright. When you do, you are building their case for them, which could come back to bite you in the future. Because I like them and want to support a filmmaker is no reason to give up my rights. **End Soapbox** Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
