RE: vim.org refreshed mockup
-Original Message- From: Gavin Gilmour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2006 09:51 To: Panos Laganakos Cc: vim@vim.org Subject: Re: vim.org refreshed mockup Seconding the Looks nice comments. Mee too, but the readability (the color set) still needs to be improved. ---Zdenek * Panos Laganakos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-11-07 19:59:57 +0200]: I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png vim tangofied icon by toZth -- Panos Laganakos
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
Richard Querin wrote: On 11/7/06, Brian McKee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's IE that adds the dark blue I think Brian Yeah. Just checked. It shows a blue background instead of white in IE6. I assume it's just a .png support problem. No, its not IE6; I'm using Mozilla 1.7.12. Gene K also had problems with the background, in his case some sort of checkerboard pattern showed. My background is normally dark blue; I believe that the png doesn't specify the background properly. Chip
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:59:57 +0200 Panos Laganakos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png vim tangofied icon by toZth In general I find it ok, but as some others has mentioned, the light gray used for dates is too close to the color of the background. The logo area should say Vim clearly such that you can actually see what the page is all about. Dont like the icon for the page. It is probably nice for the desktop, but its childish look dont match a fullblown professional editor like Vim. Personally I would love to have the page split up in two parts - general vim information, download, official news, docs - community pages, scripts, tips, forum, less official news. This way we could make the community part grow with new features while still maintaining a professional, easy to overlook, information packed page for those just coming for the download and docs. -- Kim Schulz| Private : http://www.schulz.dk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Business: http://www.devteam.dk +45 5190 4262 | Sparetime: http://www.fundanemt.com
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
Panos Laganakos wrote: I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png vim tangofied icon by toZth I think it looks very good. The only things I would like to change are: 1. The version info (à la Vim 7.0.162 is the current version) should be added. 2. The dates. Is 2006.11.03 really better than 2006-11-03? 3. The to the right of the text in the navigation bar. I think it would look better with a to the *left* of the text. -- Stefan
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
* Panos Laganakos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-11-07 19:59:57 +0200]: I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png I like the simplicity, but as others have commented, the overall color scheme needs more contrast. This is not merely a stylistic consideration, but an accessibility and usability factor. Here's a contrast analyzer (one of a number that I found by Googling accessibility color contrast online tool): http://juicystudio.com/services/colourcontrast.php According to the tool, the contrast between the grey text and the white background is too low, as is the contrast between the green navigation text and its pale yellow background. Increasing the contrast will make sure that everyone -- including the vision-impaired -- can view the vim site clearly. vim tangofied icon by toZth If folks think that vim needs a new icon, this one's as good as any. I don't happen to use any other Tango desktop-themed icons, so it is of no real consequence to me, but it is a nice-looking icon, and it would certainly be at home on my OS X dock. Dave Land
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Dave Land wrote: According to the tool, the contrast between the grey text and the white background is too low, as is the contrast between the green navigation text and its pale yellow background. I don't think that he specifies the background; instead, its whatever your browser has for a default. So, I'm sure that if you fiddle with your background that perhaps the contrast could be improved. Regards, Chip Campbell
RE: vim.org refreshed mockup
I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png vim tangofied icon by toZth Uhhh, light-gray text on a gray/white checkerboard background? Ouch... Just my 2c worth, maybe ditch the checkerboard background, as it makes even clear dark text harder to see (and makes my head hurt). Gray text simply vanishes. Other'n that, it looks nice.
RE: vim.org refreshed mockup
http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png Uhhh, light-gray text on a gray/white checkerboard background? Ouch... I musta missed something - no checkerboard here. Looks nice! Hang on a sec... Just looked at it again from the above link, and yeah, it's a white checkerboard pattern, 'though the gray matches the background of the viewer (M$ Photo Editor? whatever comes out-of-the-box on LoseXP), so it might be a transparency color/layer that just lets the background poke through. If it's a .png, maybe it's something with the alpha channel being set, like the transparency color of GIF89A (also usually bright-white, fwiw)? No idea, no time to look in more detail. White on white wouldn't be discernable, but on a darker background (even light gray, as I have here; a blinding-white background fries my retinas), it shows up a *lot*. Washes out the light-gray text almost completely. If it were me, I'd just check the background graphic, if any, on the actual site. But that's just me... ;)
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
On 11/7/06, Gene Kwiecinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just looked at it again from the above link, and yeah, it's a white checkerboard pattern, 'though the gray matches the background of the viewer (M$ Photo Editor? whatever comes out-of-the-box on LoseXP), so it might be a transparency color/layer that just lets the background poke through. Why are you looking at it outside of a browser it's a URL
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
Panos Laganakos wrote: I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png vim tangofied icon by toZth Well, I don't see any checkerboard pattern, but I do find dark grey text on a dark blue background a bit difficult. Seems like something isn't being specified in the display. Regards, Chip Campbell
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
On 11/7/06, Charles E Campbell Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't see any checkerboard pattern, but I do find dark grey text on a dark blue background a bit difficult. Seems like something isn't being specified in the display. Funny, I don't see any dark blue background in the image at all. I do see light grey text on white background for the dates which is hard to read as are the light green links to the bottom right of each post. I don't mind pastellized (sp?) colours and the rounded corners, but a little darker text on those items would help immensely. Overall very simple clean layout which I like. Of course it needs a rotating (and maybe flashing) gif or two doesn't it? :)
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
On 11/7/06, Brian McKee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's IE that adds the dark blue I think Brian Yeah. Just checked. It shows a blue background instead of white in IE6. I assume it's just a .png support problem.
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png A clear improvement. However, the light-gray text is hard to read. How about having a search form directly on every page, instead of having to go to a special page? Also, allow users to log in directly from the home page. /George -- /George V. Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.georgevreilly.com/blog The biggest mistake is not learning from all your other mistakes.
RE: vim.org refreshed mockup
Just looked at it again from the above link, and yeah, it's a white checkerboard pattern, 'though the gray matches the background of the viewer (M$ Photo Editor? whatever comes out-of-the-box on LoseXP), so it might be a transparency color/layer that just lets the background poke through. Why are you looking at it outside of a browser it's a URL ?? He posted a link to a *png* file, probably a snapshot pic of the site: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png Wherever the problem lies, whether in the background pic, the .png file, M$PE on this machine here, or elsewhere, all I'm doing is pointing out that there's potentially a problem with viewability. If it looks good to y'all, great. Might be something different here than there that's giving me checkerboards. Only thing I can suggest in looking at the pic is to stick it on its own wrapper page where the background is anything *other* than #FF, then have a look-see.
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
* Panos Laganakos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-11-07T12:59:57] I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png vim tangofied icon by toZth I like it. The light grey used in the dates/names in the sripts section is a bit too light for easy reading. I think that if the V icon is going to be used (as opposed to the (unofficial?) Vim icon), you should do SOMETHING to get Vim in the header. After all, it isn't V the editor. I think putting a on the left, instead of a on the right, will make the current selection clearer; otherwise it will move left and right and be harder to pick out. I liked the search on every page suggestion a lot. -- rjbs
Re: vim.org refreshed mockup
--- Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Panos Laganakos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-11-07T12:59:57] I made a mockup of a refreshed version of vim.org, trying to maintain as much of the original look as possible: http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/vimorg-01.png vim tangofied icon by toZth I like it. The light grey used in the dates/names in the sripts section is a bit too light for easy reading. I think that if the V icon is going to be used (as opposed to the (unofficial?) Vim icon), you should do SOMETHING to get Vim in the header. After all, it isn't V the editor. No, 'V' is in fact an energy drink, quite well-known in Australia, so it's good to keep the whole 'Vim' name on the page! http://www.frucor.com/brands/aus/new_age.html regards, Peter Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
