Re: VIM doesn't need new features?!?!
Peter Michaux wrote: And now I see that VIM doesn't need more features... http://www.vim.org/soc/ideas.php May I suggest taking a look at: http://vim.sourceforge.net/sponsor/vote_results.php Regards, Chip Campbell
RE: VIM doesn't need new features?!?!
I really didn't think Peter said anything that was a flame. Perhaps he didn't read the whole thing, but I, too, initially walked away with the same conclusion was he did, and I *have* been using Vim for a long time. (I just know better because I've been here longer.) Suresh, on the other hand, was pretty much out of line and actually took it to the level of personal attacks. Makes me wonder if he's really Sven Guckes in disguise. Salman. -Original Message- From: Milan Vancura [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:27 AM To: Vim development list Subject: Re: VIM doesn't need new features?!?! The preceding shows you have trouble reading -- that page has a link to a voting page, which page lists certain core features that could be added to vim. If your investigation into plugins was as casual as your reading of the above link, then your efforts at finding and evaluating existing plugins in relation to your notion of a project are likely to have been botched! Vim has many, many features. We don't really need more Peter, don't start flames, please. vim-dev list is a very valuable list exactly for the reason that people usualy don't try flaming here. It's easy to take one sentence without any context and become upset. Read more (as Suresh Govindachar already suggested) and your life will be nicer again. Please start with Suresh Govindachar's e-mail, the answer for you is already there. The sentence you started a flame with means that it seems we can add new features by some script languages (most usualy the internal vim script) and don't need to add every bell and whistle in the core vim code. And it's true for your problem too: core vim features are strong enough to allow project handling - but the exact implementation is up to your choice. There are several plugins ready at vim.org which you can use or modify. So again: please start reading at vim.org again with this information in mind. And stop the flame. If you have a concrete question, ask here or at vim-users. Thank you and have a nice day, Milan Vancura -- Milan Vancura, Prague, Czech Republic, Europe
VIM doesn't need new features?!?!
Hi, I like VIM. I want to use VIM as my everyday editor. I even spent a frustrating week trying to determine if VIM could replace Textmate as my main editor. VIM is very good for working with a single file but the concept of a project is not really there. I looked at plugins, talked with people in #vim about plugins and how to extend VIM. I figured it would probably take a year of spare time for me to learn how and then write the plugin to do what Textmate can do with respect to projects right when it is installed: a project drawer, project tabs, multiple open projects, project-wide search and selective replace. And now I see that VIM doesn't need more features... http://www.vim.org/soc/ideas.php Darn. Peter
RE: VIM doesn't need new features?!?!
Peter Michaux wrote on April 15, 2007 I like VIM. I want to use VIM as my everyday editor. I even spent a frustrating week trying to determine if VIM could replace Textmate as my main editor. VIM is very good for working with a single file but the concept of a project is not really there. If the user has a certain concept of a project vim gives him many ways to implement that concept. But it is up to him to work at defining the concept and using some language (vimL, perl or python) to implement it. I looked at plugins, talked with people in #vim about plugins and how to extend VIM. A few others have implemented their idea of a project and offered their work to others as plugins at vim.org. I figured it would probably take a year of spare time for me to learn how and then write the plugin Too bad that none of their idea of a project matches yours! to do what Textmate can do with respect to projects right when it is installed: a project drawer, project tabs, multiple open projects, project-wide search and selective replace. And now I see that VIM doesn't need more features... http://www.vim.org/soc/ideas.php The preceding shows you have trouble reading -- that page has a link to a voting page, which page lists certain core features that could be added to vim. If your investigation into plugins was as casual as your reading of the above link, then your efforts at finding and evaluating existing plugins in relation to your notion of a project are likely to have been botched! Darn. Peter
Re: VIM doesn't need new features?!?!
On 4/15/07, Suresh Govindachar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to do what Textmate can do with respect to projects right when it is installed: a project drawer, project tabs, multiple open projects, project-wide search and selective replace. And now I see that VIM doesn't need more features... http://www.vim.org/soc/ideas.php The preceding shows you have trouble reading -- that page has a link to a voting page, which page lists certain core features that could be added to vim. If your investigation into plugins was as casual as your reading of the above link, then your efforts at finding and evaluating existing plugins in relation to your notion of a project are likely to have been botched! Vim has many, many features. We don't really need more Peter
