Re: 6214 Mac

[Cameron Kaiser]

> >A Commodore 64 is better than all those inferior little things. :-P
> >Commodore 64 user since 1984 and still using a 128D,
> 
> Cameron,
> Is the 128D the model with a separate keyboard & CPU?... Looks 
> sort-of-similar to an Amiga 1000?

That's the one. They come in two forms, a European 128D that's all plastic,
has the 1571 internal disk drive on a separate board from the system board,
and has a carrying handle and fan, and the more common American and later
European 128DCR ("D Cost Reduced") that has a mostly metal case, a unified
system board, and no handle or fan. Any American 128D you will see is
just about guaranteed to be a DCR.

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Re: The need for speed.

[Clark Martin]

>With the 768K disk cache you need to run the built
>in video at 640x480 256 colors. Lower color depth
>and/or resolution would require a bigger disk cache.
>But even though the disk cache keeps programs
>out of the built in 1 meg that still allows the
>video to be locked out whenever the disk cache is
>being read or written. The IIsi RAM Muncher Init
>does nothing but "munch up" all of the first meg
>not in use by the video. That allows the video
>to have exclusive use of Bank A most of the time.

Not exactly.  As I recall there is an option you set in the Monitor control
panel that sets the MAXIMUM bit depth you can use.  It reserves the memory
and requires a restart for the change to take effect.  So if you set the
maximum to 256 colors at 640x480 it will reserve 300K of RAM for video.
You can set the actual display bit depth to whatever you want.  This
setting is accessed via the options button in the Monitor CP if memory
serves.

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Re: Blinking ? on disk

[Dana Collins]

> From: Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:55:15 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> Subject: Re: Blinking ? on disk

Greg sagely wrote in our last physics lesson:
 
> P.S. Do not hit the drive so firmly as to knock
> it out of your hand. That would be bad. ;-)

Yep-pers! My daughter proved this with a 100mg Quantum - this of course
reaffirmed another reality in physics: gravity ;-)

Enjoy your Mac,
Dana

P.S. dead HDs can be scavanged of their magnets to be used to repair
woofers, if you need them.


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Re: Apple! Re: OS 7.6.1

[the pickle]

At 20:02 -0700 on 18/08/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>OK! Get me my #8 Clue-by-Four. GRR! Apple has
>moved or just plain cut off public access to
>the devworld site now.

Try this:



The other nice bits are in the Development_Kits/ directory, up two levels
in that FTP URL above.

p

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Re: OS 7.6.1

[the pickle]

At 19:36 -0700 on 18/08/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>--- Marten van de Kraats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If you use a dialup connection, download ot ppp too.
>> Same directory.
>
>I saw some site (while digging up info on the 6200)
>that FreePPP is a much better performer on the
>internet than OT-PPP. Somehow FreePPP can operate

It used to be, back when OT/PPP first came out.

That advantage disappeared with Mac OS 8.1 and OT 1.3.x and higher.

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Re: OS 7.6.1

[the pickle]

At 19:29 -0700 on 18/08/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>Then get Open Transport 1.1.1 and install it then
>get Open Transport 1.1.2 and install it. I don't
>know why Apple says to install 1.1.1 then 1.1.2
>instead of just installing 1.1.2. Open Transport

...because the OT on the ftp.info.apple.com server won't actually WORK if
you don't install 1.1.1 first.

The version on dev is a full install and will work without installing any
OT first.

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Course of action for @Home subscribers

[Andrew Robinson]

After listening to the listmom pull his hair out, getting daily notices
requiring confirmation to stay subscribed to these lists, then getting
completely unsubscribed from an unrelated listserv, I called @Home
technical support. The guy at the second level support sounded like he
knew he was passing on lame advice, but this was it. Forward all problem
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these messages, they'll attempt to do something about it.

Hope this helps.

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System 7.1

[Wllms88]

A friend of mine recently gave me a Powerbook 180. Can I use system 7.1 this? 
It uses system 7.5 at the current time. However; I've had trouble getting AOL 
to work. It keeps giving me error type 3 or system bus error. I figured it 
was a conflict using an older version of AOL with the Powerbook software. 

I know this is a little off list so I ask you to bear with me. The Powerbook 
has a 68030 processor so I thought I'd slip this one in.

Thanks for indulging me folks.

Scott.

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A/UX

[Terry Mathews]

A/UX has been brought up on several occasions recently as "The UNIX to use
on m68k". While this may not be completely true, it is the only UNIX that
has Classic support on 68k machines. As a matter of fact, it runs 7.0.1 with
the update. :-)

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/aux-faq/ This will answer a lot of questions about
A/UX.

It's hard to tell whether you should run A/UX, NetBSD, or Linux-m68k. If you
can get by with Apple-standard protocols like AppleTalk (There is an Apache
webserver port), use A/UX. If you need more open-source programs things are
a little tougher to decide on. You could try to port to A/UX (According to
the FAQ, gcc and make exist), or you're left with NetBSD and Linux. It's my
understanding that NetBSD is desireable over Linux-m68k unless NetBSD
doesn't support your hardware.


Terry


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Apple! Re: OS 7.6.1

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Steve Moody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >Anybody have a copy of 7.6.1 for an LCIII?  I'm
> > using 7.1, but want 
> > to move up to a version that has OT so that I can
> > network it with a 
> > newer Mac.
> 
> You don't need 7.6.1 for that. :) Hit this,
> http://devworld.apple.com/sdk

OK! Get me my #8 Clue-by-Four. GRR! Apple has
moved or just plain cut off public access to
the devworld site now.

I'll be back in a bit after I go pound some common
sense into the #$^##^&%$s who are completely
fouling up Apple's websites.

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Re: Blinking ? on disk

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Alex Allee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/18/01 1:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Did those HD hum and make seeking noises when
> turned on?  If not,
> > slap hard on sides of the Macs few times asap when
> turned on.  If
> > that trick did work and hear HD spin up and make
> seeks and boots
> > fine, replace HDs.  That's signs of dying HD and
> sticking heads to
> > the platters is also worn HD.  This is caused by
> poor cooling on
> > those HD especially those that runs hot.
> 
> Sounds like good advice, but this should be a last
> resort. Check everything
> software wise and all the connections before you
> resort to beating your Macs. :)

If the drives aren't spinning at all, then try
a game of "Whack-a-Mole" with them. Remove
drive from Mac. Hold by edges firmly with thumb
and fingers of one hand. Two firm whacks with the
edge of your other palm, allowing the hand holding
the drive to rotate at the wrist, will usually
unstick the motor bearings. Plug drive back in and
see if it spins up. This is a good basic physics
demonstration on the principles of inertia. :)
(Inertia tries to hold the platters still while
the rest of the drive rotates around them.)

Old dead hard drives (that will still spin)
also work great for demonstrating the principles
of gyroscopic forces.

P.S. Do not hit the drive so firmly as to knock
it out of your hand. That would be bad. ;-)

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In Defense of the 6214 (Sort of)

[Wllms88]

Agreed!

I own a couple of "road apples" and I find them very usefull. If you 
understand their limitations they can be a nice computer. I have a Perfoma 
6115 that I hope to use until such a time that the Imacs are considered 
Vintage. I love Macs but I refuse to pay retail. 

Have a great evening folks
Scott

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Disk Cache. Re: NFS

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- rlf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, please, like how do you set said disk cache?
> Seriously. I have no handy books.

Apple Menu > Control Panels > Memory


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Re: OS 7.6.1

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Marten van de Kraats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you use a dialup connection, download ot ppp too.
> Same directory.

I saw some site (while digging up info on the 6200)
that FreePPP is a much better performer on the
internet than OT-PPP. Somehow FreePPP can operate
the 6200's serial ports (and maybe other old Macs')
at 56K speed when normally they top out at 19.2K
or 9.6K for the 6200 series.

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Re: Speaking of OS's

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Steve Moody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  Is there a list of new features for each new
> release of Mac OS? 
> If I wanted to know what version was first to have
> the clock on the 
> menu bar or the first to have the menus stay open
> without holding the 
> mouse, where would I look?

Wasn't 7.5 the first with the menubar clock? Apple
licensed a stripped down version of SuperClock! and
around the same time also licensed a stripped down
version of Extentions Manager.

Mac OS 8.1 was the first with "sticky" menus.
(But Windows had them before that.)
P.S. The Basilisk II Mac emulator can give 
sticky menus to any version of System or Mac OS
it runs.

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Re: OS 7.6.1

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Steve Moody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>Anybody have a copy of 7.6.1 for an LCIII?  I'm
> using 7.1, but want 
> to move up to a version that has OT so that I can
> network it with a 
> newer Mac.

You don't need 7.6.1 for that. :) Hit this,
http://devworld.apple.com/sdk

Get the Drag Manager, Thread Manager and CFM 68k.
Then get Open Transport 1.1.1 and install it then
get Open Transport 1.1.2 and install it. I don't
know why Apple says to install 1.1.1 then 1.1.2
instead of just installing 1.1.2. Open Transport
will disable MacTCP and make the Network control
panel invisible. OT uses the AppleTalk and TCP/IP
control panels. To make it work on an Ethernet LAN
you need to set both of those control panels to
connect via Ethernet. If you have TCP/IP setup
manually and boot up without another computer
(even a PC!) active to "talk" to, it usually
switches AppleTalk back to the Printer port. :P
Gets annoying when I forget and boot the Mac
before the PC. At least I can switch it to Ethernet
and don't have to reboot. But it would be nicer
if (like Windows) it wouldn't just decide on its
own that since there isn't _any_ activity on the
ethernet port that it will "help" and switch
AppleTalk to the printer port for me. :P
(Is there any extention or control panel that
will tell Mac OS to leave my network setings 
the $#^$#$ alone how _I_ set them?)

If for some reason you want to switch to MacTCP there
is a Network Software Selector control panel on
the net somewhere.

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Re: The need for speed.

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Hardy Menagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One of the Cameron Kaiser's wrote:
> 
> A useful hack you might not know is to always have a
> 768k disk cache,...
> 
> Yeah, It's something about forcing the system to use
> all of the on-board
> RAM so the programs will use the faster stuff in the
> slots. A simple
> trick but a good one.

With the 768K disk cache you need to run the built
in video at 640x480 256 colors. Lower color depth
and/or resolution would require a bigger disk cache.
But even though the disk cache keeps programs
out of the built in 1 meg that still allows the
video to be locked out whenever the disk cache is
being read or written. The IIsi RAM Muncher Init
does nothing but "munch up" all of the first meg
not in use by the video. That allows the video
to have exclusive use of Bank A most of the time.

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Re: Blinking ? on disk

[rlf]

>From: Jim Raper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Blinking ? on disk
>
>Hello, y'all,
>
>Early season question for the list. I'm the person with the Mac lab of
>LCII's, 575's, and 580's. When the teacher whose room houses the lab
>went in a few days prior to the opening of school, she and a student
>turned a few (6-8) of the Macs on. All came up with the disk icon with
>the blinking ?. All but one that is. The lone LCII came up fine. I have
>7.5.5 on all.
>
>I have not gone in to do anything about this yet. Just wondered if
>anyone wants to suggest anything to look for when I do start trying my
>magic.
>
>She did power down and reboot a couple of machines but the blinking disk
>? icon came up again.
>If I remember correctly, that icon means "Can't find a usable system
>disk".
>
>I have access to Norton Utilities.
>
>The lab was running quite well with just a few printing problems when we
>shut down in the spring for end-of-school.
>
>Jim

Try starting up from an external volume like a CD or a ZIP and re-bless 
the System folder in the machines in question before going into deeper, 
time-consuming stuff. Just remove the Finder and System files from the 
System folder and then put them back in. Then restart from the machine. I 
have found this to work quite often when any of the 30 odd LC III's 
w/7.5.5 I have running in an elementary school lab do this ? thing. I 
have no idea why or how this problem arises though.

Bob F

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Re: System 7.5.2 (Powerbook 190) Net Install

[rlf]

Vintage Macs wrote...

>Subject: System 7.5.2 (Powerbook 190) Net Install
>From: Amber Rhea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Where can I find a Net Install download for system 7.5.2 (for Powerbook 190)
>- not individual disk images. Thanks in advance!
>
>
>-- 
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I recall my first Mac, a PB5300c, came with that installed. A horrific 
experience to use until 7.5.3 made things way better...software-wise at 
least. That or 7.5.5 would work really well in a 190, too. Believe me, 
skip 7.5.2.


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Re: NFS

[rlf]

Vintage Macs wrote...

>From: the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: NFS
>
>At 13:06 -0400 on 18/08/01, rlf wrote:
>
>>Yes, please, like how do you set said disk cache? Seriously. I have no
>
>Memory Control Panel.
>
>p

Shucks, I plum forgot. Just another senior citizen "moment."

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Re: Blinking ? on disk

[William Ahearn]

--- Jim Raper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, y'all,
> 
> Early season question for the list. I'm the person
> with the Mac lab of
> LCII's, 575's, and 580's. When the teacher whose
> room houses the lab
> went in a few days prior to the opening of school,
> she and a student
> turned a few (6-8) of the Macs on. All came up with
> the disk icon with
> the blinking ?. All but one that is. The lone LCII
> came up fine. I have
> 7.5.5 on all.
> 
> I have not gone in to do anything about this yet.
> Just wondered if
> anyone wants to suggest anything to look for when I
> do start trying my
> magic.
> 
> She did power down and reboot a couple of machines
> but the blinking disk
> ? icon came up again.
> If I remember correctly, that icon means "Can't find
> a usable system
> disk".

Are they networked? And if so, how?

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Re: Blinking ? on disk

[Alex Allee]

on 8/18/01 1:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Did those HD hum and make seeking noises when turned on?  If not,
> slap hard on sides of the Macs few times asap when turned on.  If
> that trick did work and hear HD spin up and make seeks and boots
> fine, replace HDs.  That's signs of dying HD and sticking heads to
> the platters is also worn HD.  This is caused by poor cooling on
> those HD especially those that runs hot.

Sounds like good advice, but this should be a last resort. Check everything
software wise and all the connections before you resort to beating your
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Re: Blinking ? on disk

[jpero]

> >Hello, y'all,
> >
> >Early season question for the list. I'm the person with the Mac lab of
> >LCII's, 575's, and 580's. When the teacher whose room houses the lab
> >went in a few days prior to the opening of school, she and a student
> >turned a few (6-8) of the Macs on. All came up with the disk icon with
> >the blinking ?. All but one that is. The lone LCII came up fine. I have
> >7.5.5 on all.
> >
> >I have not gone in to do anything about this yet. Just wondered if
> >anyone wants to suggest anything to look for when I do start trying my
> >magic.

Did those HD hum and make seeking noises when turned on?  If not,  
slap hard on sides of the Macs few times asap when turned on.  If 
that trick did work and hear HD spin up and make seeks and boots 
fine, replace HDs.  That's signs of dying HD and sticking heads to 
the platters is also worn HD.  This is caused by poor cooling on 
those HD especially those that runs hot.

Cheers,

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Re: Blinking ? on disk

[the pickle]

At 19:03 -0500 on 18/08/01, Jim Raper wrote:

>Hello, y'all,
>
>Early season question for the list. I'm the person with the Mac lab of
>LCII's, 575's, and 580's. When the teacher whose room houses the lab
>went in a few days prior to the opening of school, she and a student
>turned a few (6-8) of the Macs on. All came up with the disk icon with
>the blinking ?. All but one that is. The lone LCII came up fine. I have
>7.5.5 on all.

Check the PRAM batteries; if the PRAM battery dies, the Startup Disk
control panel setting will be erased and the Mac can "forget" what its
System disk is.

Try holding cmd-opt-shift-delete to see if that can get them to recognise
the HD as the startup disk, assuming nothing happened to corrupt the drive.

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Re: Blinking ? on disk

[Marten van de Kraats]

This sounds like someone formatting the whole lot of them to get even 
with the teacher...
Try starting up from floppy (disk tools disk) and see wether there is 
still a system folder with all the goodies inside (or else wether the 
whole thing is just erased).

>Hello, y'all,
>
>Early season question for the list. I'm the person with the Mac lab of
>LCII's, 575's, and 580's. When the teacher whose room houses the lab
>went in a few days prior to the opening of school, she and a student
>turned a few (6-8) of the Macs on. All came up with the disk icon with
>the blinking ?. All but one that is. The lone LCII came up fine. I have
>7.5.5 on all.
>
>I have not gone in to do anything about this yet. Just wondered if
>anyone wants to suggest anything to look for when I do start trying my
>magic.
>
>She did power down and reboot a couple of machines but the blinking disk
>? icon came up again.
>If I remember correctly, that icon means "Can't find a usable system
>disk".
>
>I have access to Norton Utilities.
>
>The lab was running quite well with just a few printing problems when we
>shut down in the spring for end-of-school.
>
>Jim

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Re: Outpost.com

[the pickle]

At 16:31 -0700 on 18/08/01, Gary Adams wrote:

>So where is the best and cheapest place to buy processor and memory
>upgrades?

>>brand-new 30-pin SIMMs, however, starting with SATech or the LEM Swaplist.

Did you read the above line in my post?

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Blinking ? on disk

[Jim Raper]

Hello, y'all,

Early season question for the list. I'm the person with the Mac lab of
LCII's, 575's, and 580's. When the teacher whose room houses the lab
went in a few days prior to the opening of school, she and a student
turned a few (6-8) of the Macs on. All came up with the disk icon with
the blinking ?. All but one that is. The lone LCII came up fine. I have
7.5.5 on all.

I have not gone in to do anything about this yet. Just wondered if
anyone wants to suggest anything to look for when I do start trying my
magic.

She did power down and reboot a couple of machines but the blinking disk
? icon came up again.
If I remember correctly, that icon means "Can't find a usable system
disk".

I have access to Norton Utilities.

The lab was running quite well with just a few printing problems when we
shut down in the spring for end-of-school.

Jim


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Re: Printer question

[Andrew Michael MacTao]

Marten wrote:
>I thought that the mac printer port was a serial port. How did they
>do that? I hope not by also delivering a nubus parallel printer port
>card, because that wouldn't be much help on a Classic II.
>
>Marten
>
>>Yes, Orange Micro used to make a Mac to parallel cable and software. If you
>>can find one or its equilivent they work fine on the old Mac's.
>  >Gary

A serial to parallel adapter is a fairly simple device. They've 
been around for a long time. I used to have one on a Commodore 64 
with a dark-side dot matrix printer, years ago.
Essentially, is just stores up 8 bits, then sends them out all at 
once on the parallel port. Stores up the next 8 & sends them out...

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Re: Outpost.com

[Gary Adams]

So where is the best and cheapest place to buy processor and memory
upgrades?
Gary



At 21:18 -0700 on 15/08/01, Gary Adams wrote:

>Hello, I was just looking at outpost.com's available memory chips and they
>have new chips for the old Mac II series including the FPU upgrade for the
>Original MAC II. The prices are a little high but they are cheaper than
>Apple originally sold them for.

Dude, if they weren't cheaper than Apple's original price, they wouldn't
sell any.  I can virtually guarantee there are cheaper places to get
brand-new 30-pin SIMMs, however, starting with SATech or the LEM Swaplist.

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Re: 6214 Mac

[Andrew Michael MacTao]

Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>A Commodore 64 is better than all those inferior little things. :-P
>
>Commodore 64 user since 1984 and still using a 128D,

Cameron,
Is the 128D the model with a separate keyboard & CPU?... Looks 
sort-of-similar to an Amiga 1000?

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Re: System 7.5.2 (Powerbook 190) Net Install

[Alex Allee]

on 8/18/01 1:37 PM, Amber Rhea at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Where can I find a Net Install download for system 7.5.2 (for Powerbook 190)
> - not individual disk images. Thanks in advance!

Why do you want 7.5.2? It's pretty bad, at least on my 190. If you have the
RAM for it, go for 8.1. If not, go with 7.6.1 or 7.5.3/5. I use 7.5.3 or 5
(I forget) and have it pared down to run well in 8MB.

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Re: System 7.5.2 (Powerbook 190) Net Install

[Marten van de Kraats]

>At 16:37 -0400 on 18/08/01, Amber Rhea wrote:
>
>>Where can I find a Net Install download for system 7.5.2 (for Powerbook 190)
>>- not individual disk images. Thanks in advance!
>
>There isn't one, but the 7.5.3 install on Apple's site will work.  (You
>have to deal with that pesky 19-part download and then reassemble the
>piece, which are NOT disk images, though.)
>
>Link's in the FAQ in case you were wondering ;)
>
Yeah, I was wondering about that... Why should you ever want to 
install 7.5.2? It went down in history as the most unstable Mac os 
ever.

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Re: System 7.5.2 (Powerbook 190) Net Install

[Marten van de Kraats]

>Where can I find a Net Install download for system 7.5.2 (for Powerbook 190)
>- not individual disk images. Thanks in advance!
>
ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/mac/mirrors/apple/support/PowerBook/PB_5300_SW_Update/

I don't know wether it is a net install, but if it isn't just use 
disk copy and install 7.5.2 from the 14 virtual disks on your desktop.

Why should it be a net install anyway?

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Re: System 7.5.2 (Powerbook 190) Net Install

[the pickle]

At 16:37 -0400 on 18/08/01, Amber Rhea wrote:

>Where can I find a Net Install download for system 7.5.2 (for Powerbook 190)
>- not individual disk images. Thanks in advance!

There isn't one, but the 7.5.3 install on Apple's site will work.  (You
have to deal with that pesky 19-part download and then reassemble the
piece, which are NOT disk images, though.)

Link's in the FAQ in case you were wondering ;)

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System 7.5.2 (Powerbook 190) Net Install

[Amber Rhea]

Where can I find a Net Install download for system 7.5.2 (for Powerbook 190)
- not individual disk images. Thanks in advance!


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Re: NFS

[the pickle]

At 13:06 -0400 on 18/08/01, rlf wrote:

>Yes, please, like how do you set said disk cache? Seriously. I have no

Memory Control Panel.

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Re: OS 7.6.1

[the pickle]

At 10:49 -0400 on 18/08/01, Steve Moody wrote:

>   Anybody have a copy of 7.6.1 for an LCIII?  I'm using 7.1, but want
>to move up to a version that has OT so that I can network it with a
>newer Mac.

Uhmmm..why not just install OT on the LC III?

Links are in the FAQ.
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Re: NFS

[the pickle]

At 06:55 -0500 on 18/08/01, R.A. Cantrell wrote:

>> One of the Cameron Kaiser's wrote:
>>
>> A useful hack you might not know is to always have a 768k disk cache,...
>>
>> Yeah, It's something about forcing the system to use all of the on-board
>> RAM so the programs will use the faster stuff in the slots. A simple
>> trick but a good one.
>
>Could you elaborate on this a bit?  Is this applicable across a broad
>spectrum of machines, ram configurations, drives, etc. Is it a universal ?
>(the above are earnest questions, not rhetorical challenges)

Only the IIsi and IIci (of most relevant Macs) use DRAM for video display,
and using the whole first meg of DRAM for non-application use speeds things
up, but only on a IIsi.

Doing it on a IIci requires dedicating one bank to disk cache/VRAM (I think
it's bank A) and it's kinda a waste to have four RAM slots in a IIci filled
with 4MB RAM or less, since that drops your available RAM down from 128 to
64MB.

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Re: NFS

[Dana Collins]

Hardy sagely wrote/quoted/knew:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hardy Menagh)
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:24:57 -0400 (EDT)
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage Macs)
> Subject: Re: NFS
> 
> Regarding the IIsi Disk Cache speed-up, I paraphrase from "Mac & Power
> Mac Secrets" by David Pogue & Joseph Schorr. The IIsi uses it's 1 MB
> on-board RAM both for video RAM and cache RAM. Any that's left over is
> used by your programs, but it's much slower than using the SIMM RAM
> especially if you are using colors on your monitor so the trick is to
> cache all of the on-board RAM and force the programs to use the SIMMs,
> hence setting the Disk Cache to 768k. They don't mention this working
> with any other Macs.

An alternative is to load a special init called "IIsi RAM-Muncher INIT"
which is posted in quite a few places. Does the same thing, though the lower
disk cache is prob. less potential hassle, as the author indicates that
while "IIsi RAM-Muncher INIT" is active, VM and RAM Doubler must be off.
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Re: NFS

[rlf]

>Subject: NFS
>From: "R.A. Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> One of the Cameron Kaiser's wrote:
>> 
>> A useful hack you might not know is to always have a 768k disk cache,...
>> 
>> Yeah, It's something about forcing the system to use all of the on-board
>> RAM so the programs will use the faster stuff in the slots. A simple
>> trick but a good one.
>
>Could you elaborate on this a bit?  Is this applicable across a broad
>spectrum of machines, ram configurations, drives, etc. Is it a universal ?
>(the above are earnest questions, not rhetorical challenges)
>
>
> All the best,
>R. A. Cantrell
>
> 
Yes, please, like how do you set said disk cache? Seriously. I have no 
handy books.

Bob F

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Re: Photoshop 2.5 to 2.5.1

[rlf]

Vintage Macs wrote...

>Subject: Re: Photoshop 2.5 to 2.5.1
>From: Alex Allee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>On the Photoshop 2.5 vs 2.5.1 issue:
>
>I had the book to 2.5/2.5.1 at one point, and ISTR it saying that 2.5.1 was
>to support System 7 better.
>
>I may be wrong (its been a while), but I think it's something to that
>effect.
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Hey, that's a great morsel of info for me, as I'll be using 7.1 
(Enhanced) for sure.

Bob F

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Re: IIsi speedup tip (Was: NFS)

[Bill Judson]

> Regarding the IIsi Disk Cache speed-up, I paraphrase from "Mac & Power
> Mac Secrets" by David Pogue & Joseph Schorr. The IIsi uses it's 1 MB
> on-board RAM both for video RAM and cache RAM. Any that's left over is
> used by your programs, but it's much slower than using the SIMM RAM
> especially if you are using colors on your monitor so the trick is to
> cache all of the on-board RAM and force the programs to use the SIMMs,
> hence setting the Disk Cache to 768k. They don't mention this working
> with any other Macs.

The IIci also can use this tip (if you have 1 MB in bank A & are using the
on-board video.)

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Re: OS 7.6.1

[Dana Sibera]

On Sunday, August 19, 2001, at 01:26 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

>> At 5:15 PM +0200 8/18/01, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
Anybody have a copy of 7.6.1 for an LCIII?  I'm using 7.1, but 
 want
 to move up to a version that has OT so that I can network it with a
 newer Mac.
 --
 ---
>>> Just install OT on 7.1 and be done with it. Your lc III will be dog
>>> slow with 7.6.1.
>>
>>Where can I get OT and what version do I need?
>> --
> ftp://ftp.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/
> Macintosh/Networking-Communications/Open_Transport
> I'd download 1.1.1 I think and then 1.1.2 on top of that (I vaguely
> remember you can't install 1.1.2 without first installing 1.1.1, but
> I might be mistaken).

That's exactly how I set it up on my LC475 - slightly different base as 
I have 7.5.3 on it, but it did need 1.1.1 before 1.1.2 (or version 
numbers similar to those :D). regardless, the text files on the ftp site 
do explain it :D

Be well,
Dana

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Re: OS 7.6.1

[Marten van de Kraats]

>At 5:15 PM +0200 8/18/01, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
>>   >Anybody have a copy of 7.6.1 for an LCIII?  I'm using 7.1, but want
>>>to move up to a version that has OT so that I can network it with a
>>>newer Mac.
>>>--
>>>---
>>Just install OT on 7.1 and be done with it. Your lc III will be dog
>>slow with 7.6.1.
>
>Where can I get OT and what version do I need?
>--
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I'd download 1.1.1 I think and then 1.1.2 on top of that (I vaguely 
remember you can't install 1.1.2 without first installing 1.1.1, but 
I might be mistaken).

If you use a dialup connection, download ot ppp too. Same directory.

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Re: Speaking of OS's

[Marten van de Kraats]

>  Is there a list of new features for each new release of Mac OS?
>If I wanted to know what version was first to have the clock on the
>menu bar or the first to have the menus stay open without holding the
>mouse, where would I look?
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I don't know about such a site, but I do know how to get a menubar clock:
use the freeware control panel: superclock. Works on any mac from 
system 6 to 7.1.x.

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Re: OS 7.6.1

[Steve Moody]

At 5:15 PM +0200 8/18/01, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
>  >Anybody have a copy of 7.6.1 for an LCIII?  I'm using 7.1, but want
>>to move up to a version that has OT so that I can network it with a
>>newer Mac.
>>--
>>---
>Just install OT on 7.1 and be done with it. Your lc III will be dog
>slow with 7.6.1.

   Where can I get OT and what version do I need?
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Re: OS 7.6.1

[Marten van de Kraats]

>Anybody have a copy of 7.6.1 for an LCIII?  I'm using 7.1, but want
>to move up to a version that has OT so that I can network it with a
>newer Mac.
>--
>---
Just install OT on 7.1 and be done with it. Your lc III will be dog 
slow with 7.6.1.
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Speaking of OS's

[Steve Moody]

 Is there a list of new features for each new release of Mac OS? 
If I wanted to know what version was first to have the clock on the 
menu bar or the first to have the menus stay open without holding the 
mouse, where would I look?
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OS 7.6.1

[Steve Moody]

   Anybody have a copy of 7.6.1 for an LCIII?  I'm using 7.1, but want 
to move up to a version that has OT so that I can network it with a 
newer Mac.
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Re: Brian Wheeler, Where Are You?

[J.S. Garrison]

Brian I lost your email address. Contact me.

Jeff

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Re: NFS

[Hardy Menagh]

Regarding the IIsi Disk Cache speed-up, I paraphrase from "Mac & Power
Mac Secrets" by David Pogue & Joseph Schorr. The IIsi uses it's 1 MB
on-board RAM both for video RAM and cache RAM. Any that's left over is
used by your programs, but it's much slower than using the SIMM RAM
especially if you are using colors on your monitor so the trick is to
cache all of the on-board RAM and force the programs to use the SIMMs,
hence setting the Disk Cache to 768k. They don't mention this working
with any other Macs.

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NFS

[R.A. Cantrell]

> One of the Cameron Kaiser's wrote:
> 
> A useful hack you might not know is to always have a 768k disk cache,...
> 
> Yeah, It's something about forcing the system to use all of the on-board
> RAM so the programs will use the faster stuff in the slots. A simple
> trick but a good one.

Could you elaborate on this a bit?  Is this applicable across a broad
spectrum of machines, ram configurations, drives, etc. Is it a universal ?
(the above are earnest questions, not rhetorical challenges)


 All the best,
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Re: The need for speed.

[Hardy Menagh]

One of the Cameron Kaiser's wrote:

A useful hack you might not know is to always have a 768k disk cache,...

Yeah, It's something about forcing the system to use all of the on-board
RAM so the programs will use the faster stuff in the slots. A simple
trick but a good one.

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Re: The need for speed.

[Marten van de Kraats]

>  > Cool, I'm using 7.6.1. Is there a much faster OS for a IIsi? I know
>>  there's an article about running 8.1 on LEM but that's over the top and
>>  I've only got a 250 mb HD.
>
>Run 7.1 if you want 7.1 features, else go with Marten's System 6
>recommendation.
>
Ho ho... It was not my recommendation to run 6 on a a IIsi. That 
machine runs 7.1 quite nicely and that was my first advice, but he 
thought 7.1 was not stable enough and that he liked the stability of 
7.6.1 at which point I said that there was one operating system that 
was both faster and more stable than 7.6.1: system 6.
But featurewise I'd go 7.1 on a IIsi myself... That is if I needed 
the features. Personally I could care less about those features 
because I can find all those and more in my iMac.

Marten
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