Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Gregg Eshelman]

Its definately a Mac, flopped or not. The shape
of the floppy slot and the bulges around the
case feet are much easier to see on the actual
box. :)


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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Alex Allee wrote:
> 
> > on 8/16/01 12:53 AM, Luc Verhelst at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >> OK, here's a picture I took with a camera.
> Didn't
> > >> have a flatbed scanner handy. Its a bit hard to
> > >> see since they tinted it blue but that is
> definately
> > >> the same floppy slot as on the Beige G3 at
> work. :)
> > >> http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~gregg/pcmac.jpg
> > >
> > > The button on the monitor is on the left too. I
> bet the foto was mirrored...
> >
> > My first thought when I saw the picture was "Looks
> like a 7100 to me." The
> > photo being mirrored would explain this. :)
> 
> 4400's have the words "PowerPC" just to the left of
> the floppy slot as well as
> ventilation holes below the leading edge of the
> machine on the front.  I doubt
> this pic is one of a 4400.

The "artist" who did the box design would have
"airbrushed" out any identifying marks. Trying to
pass off an image of a Mac on a PC motherboard
box is ballsy enough without them thinking people
wouldn't notice "PowerPC" on it, even backwards. ;-)

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[William Ahearn]

--- William Ahearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > 4400's have the words "PowerPC" just to the left
> of
> > the floppy slot as well as
> > ventilation holes below the leading edge of the
> > machine on the front.  I doubt
> > this pic is one of a 4400.
> > 
> 
Sure do look  like a 6100.

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[William Ahearn]

> 4400's have the words "PowerPC" just to the left of
> the floppy slot as well as
> ventilation holes below the leading edge of the
> machine on the front.  I doubt
> this pic is one of a 4400.
> 

The picture had been flopped. If you notice, the
on/off switch for the monitor is also on the left.
Highly unusual. It's a Mac I've never owned so I guess
that narrows it down. But I'll go look again.

William

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Kyle Hansen]

Alex Allee wrote:

> on 8/16/01 12:53 AM, Luc Verhelst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> OK, here's a picture I took with a camera. Didn't
> >> have a flatbed scanner handy. Its a bit hard to
> >> see since they tinted it blue but that is definately
> >> the same floppy slot as on the Beige G3 at work. :)
> >> http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~gregg/pcmac.jpg
> >
> > The button on the monitor is on the left too. I bet the foto was mirrored...
>
> My first thought when I saw the picture was "Looks like a 7100 to me." The
> photo being mirrored would explain this. :)

4400's have the words "PowerPC" just to the left of the floppy slot as well as
ventilation holes below the leading edge of the machine on the front.  I doubt
this pic is one of a 4400.

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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Cameron Kaiser]

> The oldest book, on 6800's, I can find in my library is "6800 
> Programming For Logic Design" printed in 1977. So I suspect the 6800 
> was around in the late 70's.
> It's a little hazy now, but I think I built my first computer in 
> 1976, using a 6800.

It's been around since at least 1975, since Chuck Peddle developed the 6501
(the 6502's lost predecessor) to be pin- and bus-compatible with the 6800.
This led to a successful lawsuit against MOS Technologies by Motorola for
copyright infringement, and made MOS Tech a tempting target for buyout (it
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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Robert Poland]

>the Motorola 6800 series of cpu came out in the 80's i think.  i had a real
>job as a EE.  i used the 6800 in a Masscomp SuperM icro and in HP 7000 Risc
>systems i think.  its been a while.  in beilieve the Fortune computers used
>the 6800 also.  all were UNIX machine of course.  about that same time PCs
>were breaking into industry also.  i remember 286 8khz to 386 50khz PCs
>also.

The oldest book, on 6800's, I can find in my library is "6800 
Programming For Logic Design" printed in 1977. So I suspect the 6800 
was around in the late 70's.

It's a little hazy now, but I think I built my first computer in 
1976, using a 6800.

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Alex Allee]

on 8/16/01 12:53 AM, Luc Verhelst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> OK, here's a picture I took with a camera. Didn't
>> have a flatbed scanner handy. Its a bit hard to
>> see since they tinted it blue but that is definately
>> the same floppy slot as on the Beige G3 at work. :)
>> http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~gregg/pcmac.jpg
> 
> The button on the monitor is on the left too. I bet the foto was mirrored...

My first thought when I saw the picture was "Looks like a 7100 to me." The
photo being mirrored would explain this. :)

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Luc Verhelst]

> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > > One of my coworkers is building a PC with an
> > > ASUS A7A266 motherboard. Visible as part of the
> > box
> > > art is a corner of that PowerMac that had the
> > floppy
> > > drive on the left side!

[snip]

> OK, here's a picture I took with a camera. Didn't
> have a flatbed scanner handy. Its a bit hard to
> see since they tinted it blue but that is definately
> the same floppy slot as on the Beige G3 at work. :)
> http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~gregg/pcmac.jpg

The button on the monitor is on the left too. I bet the foto was mirrored...

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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Cameron Kaiser]

> the Motorola 6800 series of cpu came out in the 80's i think.  i had a real
> job as a EE.  i used the 6800 in a Masscomp SuperM icro and in HP 7000 Risc
> systems i think.

I thought the HP7Ks were 68ks, not 6800s.

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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[billy j]

the Motorola 6800 series of cpu came out in the 80's i think.  i had a real
job as a EE.  i used the 6800 in a Masscomp SuperM icro and in HP 7000 Risc
systems i think.  its been a while.  in beilieve the Fortune computers used
the 6800 also.  all were UNIX machine of course.  about that same time PCs
were breaking into industry also.  i remember 286 8khz to 386 50khz PCs
also.

peace.

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> >I had heard of 6800's as in processors (but only vaguely, and in
> >passing) but was more curious about the Powermac 6800/180's
>
> You're not thinking of the 6400/180?  I've never heard of a PowerMac
> 6800.  Non-US model maybe?
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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Andrew W. Hill]

>I had heard of 6800's as in processors (but only vaguely, and in
>passing) but was more curious about the Powermac 6800/180's

You're not thinking of the 6400/180?  I've never heard of a PowerMac 
6800.  Non-US model maybe?

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Gregg Eshelman]

OK, a better, scanned, picture.

http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~gregg/pcmac.jpg

This is the PowerMac 4400 on the ASUS A7A266
motherboard box art. :)

http://www.asus.com/products/Motherboard/socketa/a7a266/index.html

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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Robert Poland]

>--- Robert Poland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >  > Did 6800's exist btw? I do tech support for
>>  state schools, and some have
>>  >>  referred to them often enough for me to wonder
>>  if some special
>>  >>  educational version existed, however they've all
>>  been replaced and seem
>>  >>  to only exist in memory now - been meaning to
>>  ask that, and thought you,
>>  >  > pickle, may have an idea there if anyone would
>>  :D
>>
>>  6800, 6801, 6802 and 6809 DID exist. I built a kit
>>  computer (SWTP) in
>>  the late 70;s that used 6800 and later the 6809. It
>>  came out around
>>  the time the Apple I was released. When I sold it,
>>  it had over 700K
>>  of ram.
>>
>>  The 6800 family was made by Motorola. We
>>  (Engineering Measurements
>>  Co.) sold thousands of traffic controllers using
>>  them.
>>
>>  Clock speed was in the range of 1 to 2 Mhz.
>
>Did they run software from Traf-O-Data? :)
>(Traf-O-Data 2000 Professional is a pretty good OS. ;-)
>
>=

No, all software was developed by inhouse programmers.

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[the pickle]

At 13:05 +1000 on 15/08/01, Dana Sibera wrote:

> One of my coworkers is building a PC with an
> ASUS A7A266 motherboard. Visible as part of the box
> art is a corner of that PowerMac that had the floppy
> drive on the left side!

 You mean the 4400?
>>>
>>> or a 7220 here in oz (among a couple of other places apparently)
>>
>> Now for the real Mac-head trivia test:
>>
>> *why* was it sold as the 7220 in the Asian market?
>
>I'd go with the superstition thing? I know 8's are a very lucky thing,
>and I -think- 4 (or 44) is the unlucky number.

Yep, got it.  Mostly because 4 is an extremely superstitiously unlucky
number in China (and probably other East Asian cultures as well).  Thus
"4400" wouldn't have gone over well in the market there...

Good thing Apple had some folks on their feet in the Apple Asia marketing
division.  GM once made the famous booboo of selling the Chevy Nova in
Mexico.  Those of you who know Spanish will immediately remember that "no
va" means "doesn't go" in Spanish.  No word on what happened to the
corporate veep who approved THAT decision...

>could have renamed it an 8800... :)
>
>Did 6800's exist btw? I do tech support for state schools, and some have

Not as a Mac model.  As others have mentioned, they existed as a CPU line
(as well as the much more common 68000 series).

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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Robert Poland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > Did 6800's exist btw? I do tech support for
> state schools, and some have
> >>  referred to them often enough for me to wonder
> if some special
> >>  educational version existed, however they've all
> been replaced and seem
> >>  to only exist in memory now - been meaning to
> ask that, and thought you,
> >  > pickle, may have an idea there if anyone would
> :D
> 
> 6800, 6801, 6802 and 6809 DID exist. I built a kit
> computer (SWTP) in 
> the late 70;s that used 6800 and later the 6809. It
> came out around 
> the time the Apple I was released. When I sold it,
> it had over 700K 
> of ram.
> 
> The 6800 family was made by Motorola. We
> (Engineering Measurements 
> Co.) sold thousands of traffic controllers using
> them.
> 
> Clock speed was in the range of 1 to 2 Mhz.

Did they run software from Traf-O-Data? :)
(Traf-O-Data 2000 Professional is a pretty good OS. ;-)

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Clark Martin]

>on 8/14/01 8:05 PM, Dana Sibera at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Did 6800's exist btw? I do tech support for state schools, and some have
>> referred to them often enough for me to wonder if some special
>> educational version existed, however they've all been replaced and seem
>> to only exist in memory now - been meaning to ask that, and thought you,
>> pickle, may have an idea there if anyone would :D
>
>I imagine they are probably talking about 68000s (as opposed to PPCs), and
>are just misplacing the decimal point when they say it. :)

Or are talking about the 6800 processor, the predecessor of the 68000.

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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Cameron Kaiser]

> 6800, 6801, 6802 and 6809 DID exist. I built a kit computer (SWTP) in 
> the late 70;s that used 6800 and later the 6809. It came out around 
> the time the Apple I was released. When I sold it, it had over 700K 
> of ram.
> 
> The 6800 family was made by Motorola. We (Engineering Measurements 
> Co.) sold thousands of traffic controllers using them.

And you can still buy embedded controllers based on them as well. Of course,
I'm a 6502 advocate myself. ;-)

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Re: 6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Dana Sibera]

On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 08:53 PM, Robert Poland wrote:

>>> Did 6800's exist btw? I do tech support for state schools, and some 
>>> have
>>>  referred to them often enough for me to wonder if some special
>>>  educational version existed, however they've all been replaced and 
>>> seem
>>>  to only exist in memory now - been meaning to ask that, and thought 
>>> you,
>>> pickle, may have an idea there if anyone would :D
>
> 6800, 6801, 6802 and 6809 DID exist. I built a kit computer (SWTP) in
> the late 70;s that used 6800 and later the 6809. It came out around
> the time the Apple I was released. When I sold it, it had over 700K
> of ram.
>
> The 6800 family was made by Motorola. We (Engineering Measurements
> Co.) sold thousands of traffic controllers using them.
>
> Clock speed was in the range of 1 to 2 Mhz.

I had heard of 6800's as in processors (but only vaguely, and in 
passing) but was more curious about the Powermac 6800/180's

Seems tho, that they may be just elusive little things :D

dana (68070) banana
:D

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6800, was Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Robert Poland]

>  > Did 6800's exist btw? I do tech support for state schools, and some have
>>  referred to them often enough for me to wonder if some special
>>  educational version existed, however they've all been replaced and seem
>>  to only exist in memory now - been meaning to ask that, and thought you,
>  > pickle, may have an idea there if anyone would :D

6800, 6801, 6802 and 6809 DID exist. I built a kit computer (SWTP) in 
the late 70;s that used 6800 and later the 6809. It came out around 
the time the Apple I was released. When I sold it, it had over 700K 
of ram.

The 6800 family was made by Motorola. We (Engineering Measurements 
Co.) sold thousands of traffic controllers using them.

Clock speed was in the range of 1 to 2 Mhz.

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Sam Burrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > One of my coworkers is building a PC with an
> > ASUS A7A266 motherboard. Visible as part of the
> box
> > art is a corner of that PowerMac that had the
> floppy
> > drive on the left side!
> 
> You mean the 4400?
> 
> >It's mostly hidden behind
> > the picture of the motherboard. LOL. I'll try and
> get
> > a scan of it later. :)
> 
> Please do!

OK, here's a picture I took with a camera. Didn't
have a flatbed scanner handy. Its a bit hard to
see since they tinted it blue but that is definately
the same floppy slot as on the Beige G3 at work. :)
http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~gregg/pcmac.jpg

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Alex Allee]

on 8/14/01 8:05 PM, Dana Sibera at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> Did 6800's exist btw? I do tech support for state schools, and some have
> referred to them often enough for me to wonder if some special
> educational version existed, however they've all been replaced and seem
> to only exist in memory now - been meaning to ask that, and thought you,
> pickle, may have an idea there if anyone would :D

I imagine they are probably talking about 68000s (as opposed to PPCs), and
are just misplacing the decimal point when they say it. :)

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Dana Sibera]

 One of my coworkers is building a PC with an
 ASUS A7A266 motherboard. Visible as part of the box
 art is a corner of that PowerMac that had the floppy
 drive on the left side!
>>>
>>> You mean the 4400?
>>
>> or a 7220 here in oz (among a couple of other places apparently)
>
> Now for the real Mac-head trivia test:
>
> *why* was it sold as the 7220 in the Asian market?

I'd go with the superstition thing? I know 8's are a very lucky thing, 
and I -think- 4 (or 44) is the unlucky number.

could have renamed it an 8800... :)

Did 6800's exist btw? I do tech support for state schools, and some have 
referred to them often enough for me to wonder if some special 
educational version existed, however they've all been replaced and seem 
to only exist in memory now - been meaning to ask that, and thought you, 
pickle, may have an idea there if anyone would :D

Be well,
Dana


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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[the pickle]

At 12:48 +1000 on 15/08/01, Dana Sibera wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 10:30 AM, Sam Burrish wrote:
>
>>
>>> One of my coworkers is building a PC with an
>>> ASUS A7A266 motherboard. Visible as part of the box
>>> art is a corner of that PowerMac that had the floppy
>>> drive on the left side!
>>
>> You mean the 4400?
>
>or a 7220 here in oz (among a couple of other places apparently)

Now for the real Mac-head trivia test:

*why* was it sold as the 7220 in the Asian market?

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Dana Sibera]

On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 10:30 AM, Sam Burrish wrote:

>
>> One of my coworkers is building a PC with an
>> ASUS A7A266 motherboard. Visible as part of the box
>> art is a corner of that PowerMac that had the floppy
>> drive on the left side!
>
> You mean the 4400?

or a 7220 here in oz (among a couple of other places apparently)

danabanana

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Re: OT: Famous PC parts company does a funny. :)

[Sam Burrish]

> One of my coworkers is building a PC with an
> ASUS A7A266 motherboard. Visible as part of the box
> art is a corner of that PowerMac that had the floppy
> drive on the left side!

You mean the 4400?

>It's mostly hidden behind
> the picture of the motherboard. LOL. I'll try and get
> a scan of it later. :)

Please do!

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